EPTI think scum made some mistakes, not that they did play bad. I found it very fishy that Axle did not vote for WoS earlier when there was same amount of evidence against him than when he did vote. Tunkeg's approach to N2 basically gave him out. Oats played pretty well, had he done something productive on D3 and not waited for people to show up (why would you want to wait as the lynch candidates were in thread?) it would have been harder to catch him.
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I think scum made some mistakes, not that they did play bad. I found it very fishy that Axle did not vote for WoS earlier when there was same amount of evidence against him than when he did vote. Tunkeg's approach to N2 basically gave him out. Oats played pretty well, had he done something productive on D3 and not waited for people to show up (why would you want to wait as the lynch candidates were in thread?) it would have been harder to catch him. | ||
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On April 11 2013 13:05 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2013 05:25 XXX wrote: I don't really know what to make of it: - Oats questioned a lot of other people than WoS at that time. - I was not around until last moments. I was suspicious of WoS earlier though. - prpl voted for WoS cos busy and marv/Palmar voting for him, later said he only then understood Tunkeg's case fully. - Axle/Tunkeg were MIA. AKA Axle asleep in a different TZ. On April 11 2013 08:23 XXX wrote: Because i was at LAN-party with shitty internet and about 24h/weekend drunk like a fish. AKA XXX was MIA? What I find funniest(funny peculiar) about these games is how the same or similar observations get re-interpreted entirely depending on the current posters current beliefs. Although the example is of rayn, I ripped the name out as its only an example. While I know I was scum, and I did get caught, some part of the 'scumminess' of my play... wasn't. I at least never found anyone scummy because "they weren't around when they should have been" or other bullshit. I also never used those quoted things as a defence. In the first one i specifically said (after that) thet "at least i can't make anything out of it, because people were not around". And the second one was a honest answer to WoS and is not alignment indicative in any way. It's not "when people are around" but rathet "what they do when they are". | ||
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On April 11 2013 23:17 marvellosity wrote: Pretty much yeah. By the time I died at the end of N1 I had everyone as town to some extent, excluding Ace/Tunkeg. So obviously when Ace flips town I would need to reassess. There are certain players who I found it practically impossible to be mafia: iamp/DP/sciberbia/WoS Which leads me to having to look harder at: rayn/prplhz/Oats, so yeah. Kinda inevitable. You nailed Oats pretty nicely day 3 there rayn. I do stuff when i have to. I also thought Ace was scum on D2 because i felt like he was trying to derail the discussion with prplhz into something that'll never reach a conclusion (arguing about different thing) and was waiting for him to come back and explain himself. Then he got hammered. D3 i knew i have to do stuff and N2 was to keep Palmar alive and either get a mafia check on him or semi-clear him. | ||
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On April 11 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote: Well, that's the magic isn't it. If you can tell me how players who regularly have low thread impact can all of a sudden have high thread impact, I'm all ears. Mafia will suddenly become a super ez game for everyone  It's pretty sad this is how it goes. For example in Red i was really angry for people that noone except marv was willing to comment on anything i said in thread. I don't like people being treated as "bad" or "good" when there is no reason to do so. All that matters is if they make sense or not, and what do you make of it. If someone just gets ignored town either loses a possibly valuable source of information or a possible mafia who could out himself if questioned. | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? I just didn't feel the need to provide the reasons at least when marv noticed the same thing. Yeah, i'm all for 100% RNG'ing teams. At worst this results in a one-sided stomp but it is also a good learning experience for the "lesser" team. | ||
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On April 12 2013 00:27 marvellosity wrote: You're missing the point, because the only point I'm making there is that these players have *proven* their ability to regularly do what I mentioned. Whereas players who aren't them haven't. *shrug* So isn't the argument null in the first place because you can't know what other townies (this game) could/would have done as mafia? Only conclusion i can reach that this particular mafia team in this game couldn't push their agenda succesfully. | ||
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On April 12 2013 00:56 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah. Twice. The first time was my first newbie. The second time it was marvs fault but Bugs yelled at him a lot and pm'd me apologising for letting me get lynched. So that made me feel better. Yeah then your record is very impressive. What i mean is even if you got a record of 100-0 it doesn't really mean anything if you are lynched in 80% of the games. And then you are clearly doing something wrong. After all this is a game where not only what you say matters, but who are the people analyzing what you are saying and do they believe you. If nobody believes you it doesn't matter how right you are and you are doing something wrong. :D | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:43 AxleGreaser wrote: A question: If there was player with a 100-0 win rate as town and scum. Got lynched 100 times D1.... But somehow had the uncanny ability to get the scum to out themselves by mislynching him, and town to fall in WIFOM hole when they lynched him D1 as scum. While probably not plausible, just as the 100-0 isn't. Wouldn't that be spectacular play? Yeah it would but i assume that's impossible. There always has to be townies who agree to lynching you either way, so it would be hard to point out who of the voters on you are scum, especially if you get ALWAYS lynched on D1 (meta meta). | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:49 Ace wrote: But you're ignoring what actually happened. If myself or any other Townie hammers WoS on Day 1, or we let sciberbia get lynched Day 1 - both of which were close to happening this entire argument is meaningless. Looking at the end result without acknowledging how we got there and just declaring the entire scenario imbalanced is crazy  . Also saying 3 newbie scum vs a team with 3 "vets" is a bit dishonest - in this game myself, you and Palmar didn't even have as much impact as 3 or 4 other Townies. Imagine if we knew the teams were supposed to be balanced - after you flip green, then I get mislynched there is no reading of Oat's and Turnkeg's filters. Scibebria never makes his hypothesis post about the Axle wagon. No one even needs to bother re-reading the thread - lynch Palmar because of balance. That isn't Mafia play. The WoS thing was quite interesting if someone actually hammered him. WoS was on L-2 when i asked marv "I think WoS is scum, should i vote for him now?". It was a silent message for everyone: "I find WoS suspicious, BUT FFS NOBODY DO NOT HAMMER YET!". I think marv picked that up. I had no intention to hammer WoS and had no intention to actually lynch him at that point (although he was suspicious to me), i wanted to see if he does something stupid (as scum), or if scum does something stupid like hammer him (if WoS is town). | ||
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On April 12 2013 02:05 Ace wrote: agree with the bolded 10000000%. It's the main reason I take a backseat in many of the games I play. Let someone else develop and have a chance to take control of the game asTown or Scum. Some of my early game posts were just about keeping focus and avoidong what I thought were obvious mislynches. You guys did the heavy lifting. I think the main problem with this is that they are not allowed to take charge. :/ | ||
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On April 11 2013 20:24 marvellosity wrote: yeah oats is completely right here. 3 mafia were dead by the middle of day 3. not even because the mafia themselves individually played badly or anything, but none of them have any thread impact to control things. Despite mistakes from townies like me and Palmar (wos/sci early, ace/oats) it didn't even matter one bit because there were lots of other townies with good ideas. This game shows precisely why teams need to be balanced, not the opposite, DP. After Ego Mini mafia. Discussion closed. Now find scum supersoft and stop talking about shit. | ||
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