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I think he's just trying to jerk us around here and distract us. If he's fat, he doesn't have much info yet and wouldn't make so many wild accusations so quickly. | ||
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I looked through the rules and i didn't see any indication either way. I might just have missed it though. | ||
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But no one answered my question yet... Is it majority vote or plurality vote this game? | ||
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The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even. | ||
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On April 05 2013 21:49 Smancer wrote: I'll point out also that Molock and jkirby both think Rainbows is scum in these two posts 3 minutes apart. My initial thought is that they are scum looking to get a bandwagon vote on Rainbows. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 14:57 Moloch wrote: That was supposed to be a joke at that point. I didn't actually think he was scummy at that point. My original vote for him was a joke as well, since it was based upon him posting a lot early and not having enough time to eat pizza. But, I've kept my vote on him for a couple reasons. According to this post, he gets very defensive about about being called scum, whereas I interpreted Saraf's comment to not be calling out anyone in particular - just being the way he thought about stuff. (It's possible that I don't feel like anyone's been spammy so far affected how I interpreted it). I also don't like how he changed his vote from Smancer to someone else to quickly. He gave a reason he thought Smancer was a suspect, then just changed it to Saraf because he got overly defensive (but he had a couple posts in between Saraf labeling him and switching his vote, which makes me suspect that it wasn't a hasty vote-switch caused by emotion) I'm not certain about anyone, but Rainbows seems like the best bet at the moment. On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote: So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows. The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even. ##Unvote rainbows By this logic you and jarjar are scum trying to bandwagon me. But just because two people vote for the same person doesn't automatically mean they're scum. My read on rainbows wasn't very strong. There's actually someone else I've got my eye on now, but he hasn't shown any real evidence, it's just a hunch. | ||
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On April 06 2013 01:14 nobodywonder wrote: On the subject of jrkirby, I really don't like his metaphors because it is subject to interpretation and thus we cannot really know what jrkirby is thinking. Also I feel his talk about lurkers was unnecessary at the time. We hadn't really mentioned lurkers in general. Overall his whole post gives him a way out to freely switch around, something that I don't like and to indicates a level of scumminess. That said he better be thorough when he switches, because otherwise I think that jrkirby is scum. People were definitely talking about lurkers before me. Also if people don't like metaphors I won't use them in the future. And how do you expect anyone to be entirely sure of a lynch on the first night? No one except scum and maybe the wow raiders has any guaranteed info at all. I was just throwing my vote at the most likely candidate at the time, and I'll keep switching as long as I think there's a more likely candidate. Hopefully I find a better read soon. | ||
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he said "Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me." I was just clarifying that I saw rainbow as scum then (and I'm still suspicious), it really isn't a solid read. But yeah, jarjar really needs to say more. Two posts in this thread and one is a vote with almost no justification. It's not clearly scum, but it makes me leery. | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:25 JarJarDrinks wrote: You don't think that's scummy behavior? That's not really what you said. Your exact quote was: "And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him." How can I not read as "I'm voting for someone that i think is just a bad townie"? On the first day, no real townie can be 100% confidant about their reads. How could we? We have no real information, just superficial shit like "oh he kinda implied he wants to kill a townie in some backhand fasion." We can get guesses, like "That guy is making suspicious votes and acting like scum, while there is a chance he's just a stupid townie, there's still a better than neutral chance that he's scum." My vote for rainbows was the latter. At that time, I thought there was a better than neutral chance of him being scum. I didn't want to kill him because I thought he was a bad townie, I thought he might just be a bad townie because he's giving off scum vibes. | ||
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If you like people talking a lot, why have you been so quiet thus far? | ||
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On April 06 2013 04:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm here now. Right now you're my top scumread so I'm focusing on you. Like every post you make looks more and more scummy to me. So now you were voting for him but it wasn't a serious vote? What have I said that is scummy? The only piece of evidence you've put against me is that I "Voted for someone and then defended them." Is that all you've got? The fact that I made an unconfidant vote and then retracted it? | ||
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Ok. Let me list my reads on everyone: JarJarDrinks: You vote for me for a not good reason, don't say much else. Kinda scummy. 45% scum. Smancer: I think he just misread me. Gettin good discussion, but not saying much irrelevant stuff. 25% scum. jampidampi: I think he's clever. Hasn't given any clues as to scummyness, but has done a good job of diverting attention everywhere else. I just kinda have a hunch he's scum, no evidence. 33% scum. My "Mystery read" if you can call it that. Warent: I'm really not sure on you. 27% scum. Saraf: Not enough content for a good read. 26% scum. TheRavensName: Needs to post more, and say more about his reads. 28% scum. Fishgle: Seems pretty reasonable, has a couple of insights. 23% scum. Moloch: Same as Raven. 28% scum. Obzy: Pretty clear headed, nothing out of the ordinary. 25% scum. nobodywonder: My read is probably biased because you voted for me and then left without much explaining. 32% scum. Rainbows: I've recently been leaning towards stupid townie, but I still can't understand your big deal with saraf. There isn't much either way with him IMO. 30% scum. (was higher a while ago) My reads aren't very clear, but it's the first day still and I don't have solid evidence. Hopefully after the night I can analyse who the mafia killed and who voted for who a bit better and get some solid reads. | ||
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I like your reads moloch. My suspiciousness of jampidampi is nothing I would vote on. I have no real evidence against him. I just have this hunch in the back of my head telling me to watch out for him. @Jarjar Please give me more reasons why you think I'm scum. And tell me what you think of everyone else? I put a list of what I thought of everybody. Why don't you do the same. Oh, and don't tell me you hate me because I'm suspicious of jampidampi, you voted for me before I said anything about that. | ||
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On April 06 2013 12:02 TheRavensName wrote: I don't like this post JRK, which is a shame because I like most of your other points. Can you explain what you were hoping to get out of this? Specifically: Why only ask warents opinion on such a broad group instead of posting cases on them yourself. From what I've seen these are very untown like thoughts, or atleast viewed as such. That was mostly because I thought he was the only one online at that moment. Unfortunately he wasn't online, or just chose not to respond. | ||
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On April 06 2013 12:40 Rainbows wrote: Bolded - Where? Go. You also claim I'm "certain" about my reads --- LOL BUT IM MAKING CASES ON DIFFERENT PEOPLE BRO. I'm rather disinterested with Saraf at the moment. Conflict yourself more. On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote: TheRavensName is a fantastic lynch for today! | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=12#240 What do you think? | ||
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Jarjar has been playing very lurky. There are only two players he has talked about: Me and Rainbows. His first post was a vote against me. On April 05 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, just caught up. I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies". Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me. ##vote: jrkirby Barely any reasoning at all. None of his other posts expand on this reasoning. He says that he likes that rainbows is talking a lot, yet he himself barely says a thing. On April 06 2013 04:06 JarJarDrinks wrote: Reading rainbows as town mostly but that's due in part to believing that you're scum. He's talking alot which I like. Though he did that in the last game which had me fooled for quite a bit. My turn for a question: Why did you unvote? When I call him out on it he just says this: On April 06 2013 04:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm here now. Right now you're my top scumread so I'm focusing on you. Like every post you make looks more and more scummy to me. So now you were voting for him but it wasn't a serious vote? And then dissapears. For a whole day. RECAP: Votes for little reason, gives reads on almost no one, lurks, claims he likes people who post a lot, and never posts. Why not Rainbows: + Show Spoiler + Rainbows seems bad. But I don't want to lynch him tonight unless someone counterclaims vigilante. JarJarDrinks is a clearly much better vote than rainbows. Why not TheRavensName: + Show Spoiler + Honestly Rainbows case against him seems a little bad. Maybe he's a little lurky, but not nearly as much as JarJarDrinks. I don't see any case where he's a better lynch. And I don't trust Rainbows even if he's not scum. If rainbows isn't scum, he's stupid. Why not jampidampi: + Show Spoiler + Yes, I had a hunch against him before. Now the only real evidence is the crappy claim he made against rainbows. And there are good reasons to not like rainbows other than what he wrote. Also, just because you make a terrible argument doesn't make you scum. Theres no way this is a better day one lynch than JarJarDrinks. ##Vote: JarJarDrinks | ||
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JarJar: if you show up, I want to see your reads on everyone. So you better show up fast, cause there's a lot to read. | ||
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Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it! And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched. | ||
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On April 07 2013 07:39 Smancer wrote: Fine kirby, ignore his final case for a second. You have to have noticed that his two questions that he demanded answered were shit and had nothing to do with the current conversation. It is so strange that the pages later he is demanding Rainbows to answer them. They were completely irrelevant at that point don't you think? It's not really the relevance of the questions. He had reasonable suspicion because there existed questions that had not been answered. It's enough excuse for him to make a case against rainbows. And just making a case against someone isn't a sure sign of scum. He made a reasonable case with poor persuasion. That's not a lynchable thing. | ||
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Heres my full read: JarJarDrinks, Rainbows, and Obzy are scum. JarJar defended Rainbows with his stupid vote on me. That wasn't enough. Rainbows just knew he had to vote anywhere but Obzy or JarJar. Things get rough and he votes wherever, cause he's stupid. Obzy know he has to save his partner's ass. And Obzy does so well, because Obzy isn't terrible at this game. But Obzy can't let JarJar get lynched either. That would be cutting it too close. So blame gets put on jampi, who made a foolish post on rainbows. Another reason they thought they could get jampi was my unfounded suspicion of him. But I didn't hold to that hunch, because I'm just not seeing it. What I am seeing is two terrible scum (JarJar and Rainbows), and one clever scum (Obzy). Why do I think jarjar is the best lynch tonight? He's the one I'm most confident on. He's the one that's least bad to lose if I'm wrong. JarJarDrinks could still be scum even if my theory is wrong. And probably is. TheRavensName needs to get back here. Warent needs to get back here. nobodywonder needs to get back here. Rainbows should get back here, but I don't care, he's stupid. | ||
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I just read raven's filter again... and you might have something on him. Maybe. What I really don't like is his "confusion" about who had the votes on them at the end of day 1. Lets see what other people have to say. And according to jarjar he'll be around tomorrow. Hopefully now he'll post more than 5 times. I still don't trust him, but I don't know if he'd make a good day 2 lynch. There might be much better cases by then. Also, I wouldn't have wanted to lynch you day 1 even if you hadn't claimed vigi. | ||
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The played correctly. Don't kill rainbows (because they don't have to, and if he were lying real vigi would kill him). Then kill saraf who will give us almost no reads on who they are because he hasn't done much. | ||
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I'm a bit surprised jarjar is still on my case. I feel like he hasn't read the thread carefully enough, because I don't feel like he has too much evidence on me. I saw his post about me and it seems like most of it was stuff that happened on the first half of the first day when my reads weren't very good. A lot has changed since then - Rainbows claiming, and then surviving - which should change anyone's reads drastically. Especially if they thought he was scum before. So saying I've changed my mind too much is a bad argument against me. I changed my mind as new evidence presented itself. I wish I could give a better defence, but I have work I need to do. But I am reading everything. I believe I'll be able to give good time to posting and give good votes before the end of the 2nd day. Hopefully. Also, everyone still on rainbows case - if he was scum, it's very unlikely for him to be alive right now. I HIGHLY doubt he's scum. I hate that he claimed, but he's just a terrible vigi, not scum. | ||
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The only time I was suspicious of jampi was when I had absolutely no evidence. I made that clear every time I mentioned my suspicion, and I never voted for him. | ||
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Ravens has felt fairly town to me for a while as well. I hate that he still wants to lynch rainbows even after rainbows survived a night claiming vigi. I also don't like his "mistake" with the voting on the first night, but I feel like that was really just a mistake. This is a noob game after all. Overall though, I don't think I want to lynch him today. Maybe day 3. I might be ok lynching moloch but I don't have a good read on him either way. If someone presents a good case I'll think about it. Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side. Warent - Are you still on rainbow's case? - I don't like that he voted for him night one. Really, if someone reveals vigi, they're likely going to die. Either their lying and the real vigi will kill them, or the scum will (eventually) kill them. I'm guessing rainbows only has until the end of night 2. But scum does have roleblock, so he might have a bit longer. I hope we can lynch their roleblock, that would be nice. But Rainbows would probably accidentally shoot town. Well that was off topic. Anyways, I don't like warent for voting rainbows. Actually, come to think, ravens voted rainbows too. Shit this game is hard. I might lynch him tonight too. + Show Spoiler + sorry I'm rambling and not focused on one topic here. I don't think I want to lynch fishgle. He reads town. Yah he voted jampi, but I think he reads as town. I'll relook his filter if someone makes a good case on him. Jarjar has made few posts, almost all against me. I thought he's make a good day one lynch because I had nothing good on him, only bad. But I think we can do better day 2. But please jarjar, say what you think of other people. Please? Don't focus on just one guy. There's 3 scum, so if you think I'm one, who are the other two? I don't wanna just vendetta you. You might just be town. But i could still see myself voting for you. | ||
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Obzy - why might you vote for me? I'm sure you'd have a much better case than jarjar if you presented it. I'm going to come back in several hours and probably vote for one of these four - smancer - jarjar - warent - theravensname. in that order of suspicion. | ||
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Jarjar has been on my case from day 1 though. And he's never posted a good case against me. He's barely posted against anyone else, and he's finally got a BW on me. Although everyone else has slightly better arguments. I guess you'll all see when I flip VT tonight. I guess this is kinda a OMGUS on him. [b]##VOTE: JarJarDrinks[b] Defences [spoiler] On April 10 2013 04:15 nobodywonder wrote: jrkirby is scum. lynch him. There are many suspicious, I will guide you through the exhibits of scumminess first, the sudden town read. this is, by itself, not incriminating, but provides a very important contrast to his later quotes and actions. considering that jamp actually gets lynched, jrkirby does set himself up to look good. this is weird because, in contrast this correct single town read, all of jrkirby's other posts seem to insinuate that he doesnt know what he is doing. here are some examples: herp derp, you were absolutely correct on jamp as a bad town. why cant you find other bad town or scum. then. you easily somehow saw the difference when everyone else didn't and dun goofed. this quote especially concerns me. WTF, if the town going to lynch townie and especially since you gave a very strong town read, I expect you to fucking stop the lynch. I think if you defended the shit of him, that would have been the correct move - you would actually look even better than after a switch to another lynch, because for someone to stop a bandwagon on a townie shows the likely characteristics of a townie provided there is good reasoning. but instead you just let him die, this is too convienent since allows your mafia agenda. 2nd thing is terrible post history, he has a lot of filler that is not only useless, but also confusing... does not compute, really. no jargon or metaphor is necessary, just give a simple answer plz. I play SC2 and I don't know what a lurker is. :/ Hmm, youre not very committed to lynching this Rainbows guy. This combined with your metaphor makes me rather unclear about your thoughts. You seem so far to suggest a policy of lynching stupid behavior. this is interesting too, since you later propose a conspiracy theory of rainbows, obzy and jjd being mafia at night. now here is also a huge contradiction. this is after the night kill. how the fuck did fishgle randomly change from being a scumread to townread? this makes no sense at all besides a very obvious scumslip. just explain this? if you are town, it shouldn't be too hard, you should be able to clearly demonstrate his transition from scumread to townread. and for that matter, you should told us why he was a scumread in the first place and a town read later. also smancer smells bad? lol is he sweaty or what? where is your scumread, jrkirby? and why do you have to wait for someone to come to make a case and then bandwagon. this is weak stuff lastly you play the noob card too much. though i understand this is newbie game, if you just use the noob card so much, town just misregards your opinion, which is useless agenda if you're town, but very convienent if you're scum since you can just blend in. this is also too convienent for you to just come in and drop a vote without any scrutinizing. at this point, you are scum - all your actions fit the perfect mold of scum. ##Vote jrkirby die scum. Jampi wasn't a bad town. He just made one bad case, and got lynched for it. I presented all the evidence I could to try to save jampi. I don't know why my defending him is scummy at all. The only reason I want to lynch stupid behaviour is because it looks like scum, and it helps scum. I was never very committed to lynching rainbows. At first I thought he was stupid, so I read that as scum, but after he claimed I realized that either he was going to die or he was just the stupidest vigi there was. Now he's just a terrible vigi. I'm bad at scumreads. This is my first game. I'll go with what I'm most confident on, and say what I'm thinking, but that doesn't make it right. Also, good case nobodywonder. If only you had put a case like this on someone who was actually scum. [/spoiler] [spoiler] On April 10 2013 04:40 Smancer wrote: Obzy, his case was good. And to be honest, I am ready to vote for jkirby as well, ##Unvote ##Vote: jkirby I pretty much have already built my case in the few posts before NW's case. My points were 1) His town read on you and saying he will vote Moloch if there is a case. 2) he is only going to vote for someone if he thinks town will follow him. 3) the amount of 1 liner responces / Lack of any content 4) his suspects me with no case. 5) he said he will "come back in a few hours to vote" this truely shows no sense of urgency for the town. Moloch has addressed my case against him, and I like how he did it. He also all but completely disproved my second point in my case against him, that is, the unvote of Rainbows. Whee! let's all ride the bandwagon! Honestly I'm busy with life. I have things to do. Sometimes I have time for a lot of one liners, and that's it. I suspected you with no case, but note, I didn't vote you with no case. [/spoiler] Maybe next game I'll be better at reads and be better at defending myself. I guess it's not over yet - I can still try to defend myself. Also a couple things to think about: if I'm scum, who am I with? Obzy? Moloch? Fishgle? theravensname? Probably not nobodywonder; his case on me was good. When I flip town who are you going to go after? Jarjar? Nobodywonder? I'd prefer jarjar, but honestly I think I'm I'm lynched it's too late for town. Suddenly you'll find it 4 against 3 and a single mislynch is death. You haven't even got vigi to save your asses because rainbows is stupid. All you have left is the doctor, who might get a save off if you're lucky. It's still one mislynch away from doom and three scum left. Anyone have any questions for me before you lynch me? Any at all? | ||
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Also, my post messed up. ##VOTE: JarJarDrinks | ||
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Smancer I'm not confident on. Sometimes I read his filter it seems town, somethimes it seems scum. More scum lately, but that's because Idon't agree with any of his votes, not because he hasn't reasons for them. I really wish he hadn't voted jampi, then I'd have a good townread on him. Obzy - I hope he's town. If he's not, I really doubt we'll win. He reads town, acts town, and smells town. Jarjar - obviosly I have scumread on him, because he's been tunneling me hard and hasn't posted substantive evidence against me. | ||
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2) Jarjar has lurked quite a bit, especially day 1 and night 1. 3) He doesn't even seem to mind that we lynched the wrong dude day 1. 4) First, his case against me was me voting rainbows; I have already explained why this is weak: no one had much information at that point, and rainbows was my highest scumread, didn't last too long. 5) Then he hates me for my FOS on jampi which I never act upon. I never claimed it was particularly founded suspicion, just suspicion. Everyone has suspicions like this, it's just townies choose not to act on them until there's evidence. I just wanted people to know I was suspicious, and maybe bait a little scumslip if I was right. 6) Then he AFKs while we lynch jampi. 7) Never takes his vote off me, and never votes anyone else. 8) Never defends himself, always on the offensive. Like maybe he has a couple scumbuddies to help him if things get too rough. (Maybe this one's a stretch) 9)he says: "Reading rainbows as town mostly but that's due in part to believing that you're scum. He's talking alot which I like." But has less pages than anyone else alive (I'm pretty sure). (Kinda same as 2) 10) He doesn't offer any insights as to why things happen, no logical posts saying why (for example) saraf was shot. I might have more on him if he actually said anything significant. | ||
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You and smancer could be right about this crazy ravens-rainbows theory. I don't exaclt buy it, but along with warent's post against rainbows it might have a chance of being right. I also don't like that ravens isn't here right now. And the fact that his vote is on moloch. I think I would be ok lynching him, but I wish I were more confidant on him. I wish he looked as bad to me as jarjar did. | ||
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Also, you guys are idoint for prefering the 50-50 rainbows ravens to the good chance on jarjar. Even if you get it right, their partners will swing it away. GET JARJAR TOMORROW! | ||
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