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On April 07 2013 07:05 Obzy wrote:Hmmm. I hadn't really noticed that. (hehe silly ebwop.) - That, being how he mentioned two people - and rainbows specifically, after unvoting him. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 04:49 jampidampi wrote: So upon rereading, I can see how Rainbows might be a townie. So since there are more suspicious people than him: ##Unvote
Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 05:50 jampidampi wrote: If you are lynching me for bad cases, why aren't you lynching Rainbows?
Yea that was a bad ebwop. :-/
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On April 07 2013 07:34 jrkirby wrote: I think jampidampi is town. At least for now. Earlier I had a hunch against him. I thought he was clever. Asking questions of rainbows, getting reads, and but not showing his opinion too much, because he wasn't ready to commit to his reads. Did he focus more on rainbows than anyone else? Yeah. But he also was talking to me, moloch, and saraf. And he had reason to keep his eye on rainbows. Rainbows was doing suspicious things and avoiding his questions.
Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it!
And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched.
Fine kirby, ignore his final case for a second.
You have to have noticed that his two questions that he demanded answered were shit and had nothing to do with the current conversation. It is so strange that the pages later he is demanding Rainbows to answer them. They were completely irrelevant at that point don't you think?
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I just can't believe you don't think it is suspicious and you go a step further to say you think he is town.
But then again your play has mirrored his. Early case against Rainbows. Now you are both voting for the lurker.
I don't think jarjar is a good vote day 1. There are plenty of other people posting with actual content to make a read on.
The bottom line is that I have made a case based on actual content from jamp. So has Obzy , so has Moloch .
There is no case on JarJar other than lurker. None. Why would you rather make a read on nothing other then something??
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TRN are you going to stick with Rainbows as your vote?
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Damn it.
Jkirby this makes you look really good.
I think Rainbows looks bad now. When I think about it on a whole, he really caused confusion and chaos on Day 1. And his whole rage quit was terrible hurtful.
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Well it was jamp that posted that not jarjar so I don't see how it is his wish...
But I will tell you Warrent that I was really upset when Jampi flipped town. I thought it was all so easty. Jamp was scum and kirby was defending him so he must be scum. I thought I had a good case, his useless questions, and his demand to answer useless questions.
I guess that is all I will say about that. I kno
There are two people I really think are scum right now.
I dont like Jarjar for lurking. But more than that I think Rainbows might be scum. At fist I was convinced he was just getting the ball rolling. But he did more than that. He got hte ball rolling and then he kicked it, diverted it, and blew it up.
Look at all the confusion he caused, and look at the ridiculous way he raged, claimed, then quit.
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On April 08 2013 05:25 Warent wrote:
I was leaning town for Smancer - but right now the best way to get information will be if we can get answers from Fishgles/Smancer/Moloch on these questions:
Just to speak up, I did make a post in reagards to what has happened and who I noew suspect. Unfortunately I can't get any more from Rainbows or jarjar at the moment because no one is posting at all.
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I said it at night, and I will say it again. I think Rainbows or Jarjar are good votes today. I really want Rainbows to come back and explain himself.
Like what was SOO bad that made him flip out, claim, and rage quit. That really hurt the town. He had no input toward the end of Day 1 and we ended up with a mislynch. Rainbows did you even try to use your "Blue" role at night? You need to come back to the game.
##Vote: Rainbows
Obzy, I don't think you are making a very good case agains TRN.
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Oh and one more thing that I have noted is that Sarafs very last post befoer he got NK was a big case against Rainbows. So was he on to something?
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##Unvote
You're right. Your claim was never countered. If you were scum, that would have been a ballsy thing to do without knowing if town had a vig or not.
TRN did say that he didn't believe you, I think his argument was over meta. And your case that you built against TRN was actually really good.
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On April 07 2013 03:54 TheRavensName wrote: To be quite honest? Yes I think its a fake claim. his way of play does not make sense for a vigi. He talks about not wanting to draw attention as scum, but you don't do it as a Vigi either because then you'll never get your shot off. Your playing off the assumption that there is either vigi, and that if there s one he wouldn't just shoot Rainbows and then claim the hit after so he can still actually shoot while still being able to push a lynch.
TRN Care to explain this a bit more clearly?
Here is what I think. Scum see a lynch coming for jampi town, they can NK Saraf and get rid of a townie, and they can RB Ranbows because they think his claim is true. While at the same time, they can build a case for lynching him in Day 2.
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You keep asking for us to post, and I have posted. I don't want to spend too much time defending myself here. I thought jamp was scum. I was the first to vote for him when no one else had voted for him. I don't know what the proves, but here was my case... I thought it was a good one:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 21:40 Smancer wrote:I def went to bed too early last night, before the shit hit the fan. If you call whiskey and Advil PM going to bed, its more like passing out. With my huge fatness it is the only way to sleep :-) Earlier I based my case on kirby voting Rainbows. I thought Rainbows was doing a good job of getting the ball rolling and I thought jkirbys vote on him was scumy. Then he thought Rainbows was talking to him However based on the course of the night, between TRN, jamp and Rainbows I think we have a scum. The problem is to figure out who. I actually don't like Rainbows case against TRN. My opinion is that his case boils down to TRN was lurking. TRNs reaction seemed normal. What didn't make sense is jampidampi. His case against Rainbows really was bad. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 15:03 jampidampi wrote:
Rainbows says how he likes Obzy. If you look at any mafia games posts, when someone likes someone, he thinks that guy is town. Just look at the list posts in this game: "I don't like XXX" is used in contexes, where people think XXX is scummy. Yet when I ask him to explain his liking of Obzy, he says he liked the name and that he has posted a lot, when at the time, Obzy had three posts. If look at those three posts, that is not a good basis for a town read.
Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 15:03 jampidampi wrote: This scummy since Rainbows clearly cares his image.
I don't understand this. I want to find the scum, but, I also care about my image. I am town I want people to think I am town too. In regards to your point about Rainbows thinking someone was town. I think Rainbows has had more scum reads in this game so far than anyone. Lastly your demand for Rainbows to answer your questions is just silly. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 14:00 jampidampi wrote: Rainbows you better answear my questions. NOW So late in the game, when the focus has entirely shifted, you want him to go back and answer questions on policy? Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 14:20 jampidampi wrote:On April 05 2013 09:45 Rainbows wrote: My point. Keep in mind the following question isn't policy-based.
Let's say we have this one guy, super emotional, yelling at people, voting all over the place. Call him guy A. Guy B is cool, suave, making decent points here and there, voting is in line with his thinking. Guy C is hardcore lurking are barely here, but won't get modkilled because he votes. Guy D is kinda wimpy, and sheeps cases but is also hard to read.
Who do we lynch? Rainbows, what is the purpose for this post? Why should we tell beforehand what kind of behaviour we see as scummy? And your other big question you demand answered is why he made this comment: Those are your big questions? That has nothing to do with the current case he made against TRN. Or any of the recent pages for that matter. ##Unvote ##Vote:jampidampi Rainbows why are you sticking to your TRN vote and not voting for jampidampi after you saw how bad his case was.
Anyway, Obzy I have read you town all game. And you were the second to vote for him.
Fishgle was the third vote, and my read on him is town as well.
So of us four I get to Moloch. I think his vote was the most suspicious as it was the fourth and final. Mine, Obzy's and Fishgle vote post for Jampi was detailed and made a good case. Moloch's unfortunately wasn't that detailed, and it looks like he is just sheeping. Furthermore he makes a post and then immediately changes the subject to JarJar.
My ready on Moloch has been town as well. Perhaps I am tunneling hard in the sense that I think everyone who agreed with me was town.
I personally think there is more to read into TRNs and Rainbows back and forth. But Warrent is probably right that one of the votes for Jamp was scum.
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umm a wild JarJarDrinks appears?
Thanks for coming to the game and adding an analysis.
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On April 09 2013 05:55 Obzy wrote: Hi Smancer, could you give me your thoughts on Ravens and Warent? Also, if you have anything to say about JarJar's case against kirby, whether agreement or against - and if against, why?
I think JarJars case is really good. Particularly the points he makes about having jamp rated number 2 on his scum detection percentage, and then coming back and saying he thinks that Jamp is town.
I don't have an opinion of Warent at this moment.
Between Ravens and Rainbows I have the idea that one of them is scum. I am not that confident, because of what Ravens just posted about Rainbows being an MVP player, but I was suspecting it was Ravens who is scum simply because I am starting to believe Rainbows Blue claim.
Why ask me about these guys?
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Well I am going to go home from work in a few minutes.
But I have been posting today. I made an analysis of the votes against jampi. I don't think anyone has read it.
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Obzy, I really can't say much of anything except I am trying my hardest to find scum. Please consider I was the first to actually vote for jamp when he had 0 votes and at that time I thought I made a good case. It was my best effort in finding scum.
As for the flip flops on Rainbows. I can't make up my mind. His blue claim, his back and forth with TRN. Its all very difficult to be have definitive read on.
But I think currently I have a good read on Moloch.
On April 09 2013 03:07 Smancer wrote:
So of us four I get to Moloch. I think his vote was the most suspicious as it was the fourth and final. Mine, Obzy's and Fishgle vote post for Jampi was detailed and made a good case. Moloch's unfortunately wasn't that detailed, and it looks like he is just sheeping. Furthermore he makes a post and then immediately changes the subject to JarJar.
I have to say I thnk Moloch is scum.
This is based on three things
1) His day 1 contributions and analysis.
2) His day 1 vote
3) His Day 2 contributions so far.
So first lets look at his day one contribution.
He starts out with an early vote on Rainbows. Now I had an early vote on rainbows too. Kind of jokingly because it was the first hour of the game. However he leaves his vote and does not take it off.
In the mean time here is his first real post that "contributes" something. Its not a read on one person or a detailed analysis of Rainbows who he left his vote on. But rather it is a big summary post of nothing.
Spoiler for big quote: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 10:50 Moloch wrote: I've been away for a while, so I'll give general impressions of what I think of people so far.
Jarjar - He is certain kirby is skum in his first post because he feels kirby changed his mind too easily. I feel he reads too much into kirby's unvote. Everything he's posted has been aggressive towards kirby, while being certain Rainbows is a townie because of his read on kirby.
I'm suspicious of him because his only reasons (that he's stated) come from kirby's noncommital way of saying that Rainbows is either scum or an idiot. Since then, he's done nothing aside from saying kirby is very suspicious ( using that as the reason he thinks Rainbows is townie).
Smancer - Nothing he's said raised any red flags and I like the variety in his posting style. A mixture of his opinions and questions to try to keep conversation going.
jampidampi - He hasn't given his own opinion on anything aside from saying that he thinks Rainbows misinterpreted Saraf's post. Also, a third of his posts talk about whether or not someone else is at their computer (even getting aggressive with kirby when kirby replies to him).
I don't have a strong opinion of him, though. It could be that he feels a delay in posting is scum chatting with each other to try to figure out what to do. I don't think it's a good idea to base opinions off of this since there will be a lot more false-positives with strangely long reply times than there will be actual scum catches.
Warent - He explains Rainbow's misinterpreting (which I completely agree with), and gave opinions on a couple other people. I like his style.
Saraf - He's pushing to lynch the spammiest asshole a bit too much. I think he did imply that Rainbows was the spammy asshole, but he certainly did not state that Rainbows was a townie.
kirby - I like his reasoning that he's given for his decisions recarding voting/unvoting Rainbows. At first he thinks he's malicious, then thinks he's an idiot fattie. I don't like how his reason to suspect jampidampi is that he isn't suspicious. It feels really weird to me.
TRN - He has only made three posts that aren't spam. He hasn't made any statements about his own opinion, just ask questions of others (aside from his post about the hypothetical A, B, C, D policy question). I like him less now than I did before.
Fishgle - I like that he appears to be posting a good mixture of calling other people out without accusing, and posting his own opinions. I like what he says about Warent's hypocrisy, but I'm unsure what I think about his suggestion that Rainbows got a blind hit on Saraf (I'll go into more once I'm done every person)
Obzy - I have a positive opinion of how he's been posting. I get a general okay vibe from him.
nobodywonder - His posting style seems defensive overall. It doesn't give me a good feeling, but I do like how he is able to critique why someone else voted for kirby, and then vote for kirby himself a little bit later. It implies an open mind. I have really mixed feelings about this guy,
Rainbows - I feel this has been the most controversial person. I really don't like how he is pushing so hard to have Saraf lynched off a sentence that Rainbows misinterpreted (multiple people pointed it out to him and he still kept going hardcore against Saraf).
Look at it. Just big pile of nothing. A huge summary post not focused on anyone.
Once rainbows has all but rage quit. Then he takes his vote off of him. WTF?
He does nothing but he comes back when there are THREE votes already on Jamp.
2) His vote.
So what is his reason now for voting for jampi, breaking the tie with jarjar,,
On April 07 2013 04:04 Moloch wrote: I agree that jampi is the best day one lynch.
If you go through his entire post history, he only ever asks people questions and tries to get people to suspect Rainbows. He hasn't once given his opinion on anyone else.
He's either scum who was trying to keep the train rolling on Rainbows, or a townie who has contributed nearly nothing. As far as first day lynch chances go, I think this is a pretty good option.
##Vote: jampidampi
He agrees. And even says he is either scum or a townie that hasn't contributed. If you think he is either or... why on earth would you vote to put him over the top to be lynched?
He doesn't build a case agains jampi like the three others of us that voted. He just agrees and votes.
Just remember what was his read earlier on Jamp..
On April 06 2013 10:50 Moloch wrote: He hasn't given his own opinion on anything aside from saying that he thinks Rainbows misinterpreted Saraf's post. Also, a third of his posts talk about whether or not someone else is at their computer (even getting aggressive with kirby when kirby replies to him).
No big suspicion. Nothing here that would really put me over the top for lynching someone.
Finally today when 2 townies are dead, what does he give us?
On April 09 2013 16:04 Moloch wrote: I'm going to start over and write different stuff because I copy-pasted a whole bunch of vote counts to word, but the crossed-out votes came across as normal, so I did other counts to see exactly how many people had voted for Rainbows at the time he claimed, and I had come up with six (it wasn't six - you can check if you're not me and can actually read). I had a cool paragraph saying how Rainbows is all innocent because of blah blah, but that's all useless now.
After actual counting, there were four people (me, jampi, ravens, and fishgle) who were voting for him at the time of him claiming. After he claimed, this is the timeline.
Rainbows jampi->ravens Me unvote Smancer Kirby-> jampi Obzy ravens ->jampi Fishgle rainbows->jampi Me ->jampi Saraf -> jjd Kirby -> jjd Jampi rainbows->jjd
I know it's pretty useless information now, but it's the information I compiled when I thought I was actually on to something.
Oh, and I'm not sure what to think about the Saraf lynch. I don't think they'd be as obvious as to hit someone who voted for scum, but it also seems like it would be a good idea to vote for someone that's onto them.
Sorry again for not being here for the past couple days, I know it makes the game less fun for everybody else. I'll do better for the next while.
A vote summary and pretty useless information.
He hasn't written a single analysis that has focused on just one person. He tie breaker vote on Jamp got him lynched with virtually no analysis.
I think Moloch is scum.
##Vote: Moloch
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On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote: Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side.
I'll do it if everyone else is willing to. How do you know who is town? scumslip??
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TRN
I was trying to be sarcastic. I was saying that the logic "I'll vote for someone if everyone else does" is bad.
I was not saying I would ever vote for myself.
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Rainbows,
Crazy conspiracy theory incoming...
I think you might be right with Raven. One possible explanation I have could be he is voting for Moloch because he actually knows Moloch is scum and my case was good.
Then when we lynch scum tonight he can say he voted for Moloch, and why would he do that if he were scum.
So to recap he knows Moloch is scum. He knows that his case against you isn't building momentum. He thinks he can survive longer by sacrificing Moloch by using it as an argument upcoming in day 3.
Either way I think Raven and Moloch are scum now. I would lynch either. My vote is currently on Moloch.
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