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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 21:46 GMT
#438
Somewhat chronologically:

  • In the big read post sylencia shows something I would call self-centeredness, and not working towards achieving established goals.
    Take for example my trolling. Sylencia talks lengthy about the justification for disappreciating it, mentions an example from an earlier game, but he says I'm a wildcard. From my point of view, this is absolutely not true. While I formulated my posts in weird manner, my intentions and opinions always shined through them, and most agree on this.

    Then he mentions "flaws" in risk's play, but he does not attribute any interpretation to them. He only describes them, with no conclusion, moving into "but I feel that the votes are early"-defense, and saying he disappreciated CC's vote the most. That is no conclusion or comment on risk's play, that is only a description of people's reactions to risk.

    My battery is running out so I will summarize the rest of the post like this:
    It's summarizing, shows no clear direction. Not the engagement of a townie in pursuing his reads, but a huge "look, I'm making reads post, leave me alone. His vote on CC feels like a policy vote on a guy who pressure voted risk.

  • When I call him out for not commenting on risk's play or alignment, he says this:
    Ghor, since it's looking more trollish by the second, you could probably drop the third person at least or I'm not really going to be able to read your posts seriously enough. I don't even follow what you mean regarding what I said about risk + CC. As for why I haven't said if I thought risk's actions were scummy or not, that's because it's not exactly clear which way it goes. On one hand, you can say it's scummy because he says it was just looking for reactions but it looks more like no one followed what he was alluding to so he gave it up, but on the other hand it's hard to say he'd give it up so quickly and deny it as soon as he is questioned about it if he was scum because it's a lot more legit if you follow through with the case. Instead, he retracted it and it left him looking weak but that doesn't mean he's town. Happy?


    Start with telling me how to write (but he seems to understand it pretty well). He first says an argument for risk being scummy, then mentions the same argument risk used, but ends up saying, that doesn't mean he's town. Well, why mention it then if it's the argument that's meant to say that he's not scum, to head over and say it doesn't mean it's town?

  • Next he says this:
    And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game. The case on him has its merits however I would rather first see more from the two I've heard least from today (Hopeless and CC) - moreso Hopeless because there's ever so slightly more from CC.

    Ghor - now that I've said it what are your thoughts on risk then? Would you say he is scum or not? Would you end up backing a vote on him if the time came for it?


    The defense "scum do not look suspicious, so risk is not scum". Then he asks me what I think of risk (along with hopeless) and I point out my earlier posts where I already said it.

  • When his scumreads hopeless and CC were around, sylencia wasn't there to milk information from them. He did attack me though.

  • Sylencia was basically first to say that it's scummy to push for him with risk as scumread, when I also laid that out in the post where I talk about risk.

  • Next point is: Except for his big, diluted read post, sylencia hardly writes about his reads on his own, but replies to a lot of people. He doesn't try to push the thread into a direction or let himself be heard. His posts are all: "I do this cause that and I stand here cause that, I would lynch this guy and this guy.
    He says I'm scum, but never made a case,only complained about me trolling.
    He says he would lynch CC, but never interacted with CC or made his change of read public before retreating from his lynch.
    He says he would lynch hopeless, but didn't interact with him or push for his lynch.

  • High tendency to justify himself, summarizing posts, reactive, not active play. No spontaneous lashing out at and questioning of his scumreads.

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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 21:49 GMT
#441
Also, regarding the first point of self-centeredness and working towards goals: Talking a lot about why you find something scummy and say someone is a wildcard, and applying similar stuff to a lot of other people like axle is not a way to get them to play the way you want, that post is a way to say you would vote for lots of people for many different reasons, but don't seem to want to influence them to make themselves readable, as proven by later play.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 21:56 GMT
#457
Hope I'm right yo.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 04 2013 19:43 GMT
#488
Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .

I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).

Still, quick rundown:
Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).

In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).

I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that.

With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 04 2013 19:48 GMT
#491
Oh ninjad by CC.

Well I will only say one thing right now:

My reads were based on more than just calling people braindead (and you'll have to prove your points by quoting my posts. Hint: You probably can't). And you say I only OMGUS people, but risk actually didn't say I'm scum.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 04 2013 19:50 GMT
#494
EBWOP: You actually did quote some shit in the spoilers. But gotta go now.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 04 2013 20:55 GMT
#507
posting from phone. ask yourself this question, wasnt the stuff cheesecake mentions already there before the sylencia lynch?why does he only mention it after the lynch?he must have seen the things he mentions already before, evidence being that there is also stuff in his filter that suggests he thinks im scum (posts that have ghor at top of them and various pressure), but he didnt say it outright.nothing changed about my reads except that i also suspect cc now.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 04 2013 21:00 GMT
#508
most of the things he found scummy were very early in the game, but you do not see him call me out for that back then, instead bring them up summarized now after that he was able to sheep my case.i dont think his points are genuine or they would have been mentioned earlier.he called me out for some bad wording stuff not for the things he suddenly finds scummy.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 10:49 GMT
#571
Got a few questions:

@ CC

Can you give a quick recap of why you find/found hopeless scummy? Do you find risk scummy? How would you prioritize your choices?

@ risk

You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?

I would also like to expand on why I still find you suspicious. In this post (~ 1:30 time) you say We're not lynching anyone else but hopeless, followed by a post telling him why he is scum (as opposed to trying to convince others).

Several hours later you show exactly the opposite attitude, slowly starting to agree with the points against sylencia and not mentioning the only guy you thought should be lynched hours ago. Not even finding it suspicious that there's someone starting a counterbandwagon away from your top scumread, instead you sheep exactly that one?


@ Hopeless


Any opinion on the points against me by CC and my points against CC? Where do me and CC stand, relative to risk?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 11:14 GMT
#573
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).

You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.

Why do you find CC suspicious?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 12:00 GMT
#576
Several hours before lynch:

On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:


@ risk

You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?

Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously.

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On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:
Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .

I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).

Still, quick rundown:
Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).

In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).


I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that.

With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.

I didn't like neither of the bolded statements.

I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him.


Shortly before lynch:

On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play.


On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.

That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?


On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that?


On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
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On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they?

Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice.


Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless?

All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to".

Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about.

"But Ghor, I wasn't confident"

I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification.
So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before.

On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:
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On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).

You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.

Why do you find CC suspicious?

Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town?

I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong.


I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious.

Seem like you do want towncred for it though.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now.
Sorry buddy :o]

##Vote risk.nuke
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 12:30 GMT
#577
EBWOP: This is several hours before lynch. I actually wanted to reply to the "I opposed sylencia lynch thing"


On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.

Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.

And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.

Sylencia. Who do you want to kill?


On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.

My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.

Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.

My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.

Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.

The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense.

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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 13:05 GMT
#579
I don't see you trying to persuade anyone of switching to hopeless, only say what you prefer. That's not opposing a lynch, as isn't saying you would lynch your null-read over your scumread.

Where do you show to the thread that you even think RoL could be scum since you seemed to have preferred him over sylencia? There is zero effort from you to work towards the objectives you claimed to have.

You could also expand on pointing out what you find weird about CC. Cause finding stuff weird and leaving it at that isn't the best way to follow a trail. Don't you have anything to ask to CC?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 13:07 GMT
#580
And you asked me why I don't see it as townie that you "opposed" the sylencia lynch. That equals to supposing and expecting that you would get cred for that.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 17:47 GMT
#609
Lazer, need your own arguments for thinking I'm scum. Currently you just agreed on "me lying" when also VE confirmed that CC subtly said I'm scum D1, and currently seem to be very quickly eager to lynch me. Didn't you read the stuff?

Will be away for ~1 hour. So don't do quick things you might regret. We have at least ~one more day.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 17:53 GMT
#610
##Unvote

Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.

RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 17:55 GMT
#611
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 20:19 GMT
#613
Well then I'll assume you didn't find me scummy D1 cause you say so. But some of my points still remain. I'll first comment on your summary.

On April 05 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Ghor, sup buddy?

+ Show Spoiler +
Ghor's been focusing on 3 main people this game. Initially, Risk, who was the easiest target from D1. Then Syl. And Hopeless to a certain extent. Look how the Syl and Hopeless scumreads developed...

On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote:
Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick.

but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad.
ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away.

what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum.

sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve.

he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum?
sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part.

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On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright..

My thoughts so far:

- Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret.
risk
- risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said.

- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.

- Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you.

- Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it.

Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action.

-VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on.

I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me.

##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
risk

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On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:
Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home.

As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called

On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.

Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.

People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.

I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast.


Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\

Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead.


this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about.


Sylencia finds Ghor to be a wildcard and scummy. Ghor essentially says in the bolded is, "Sylencia lied about me. I contribute. I do townie things. Sylencia lie." He says that Syl was focusing on other people than his main scumread (me?). Syl was focusing on Ghor being scum in that post, not myself. Why is Syl focusing on Ghor instead of me scummy? It's not ---> Ghor is nervous about something. He then proceeds to tunnel Sylencia the entire day based on this fact.

On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote:
ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia.

All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it.

Hopeless, question:
Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it?

(Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension)


Ghor now has a scumread on Hopeless. He thinks Risk / Ghor scumteam, huh? Wrong! I pointed out all of these fallacies. His scumread on Hopeless seems to be based on the fact that Hopeless is an idiot rather than scum. What's really interesting is that Ghor never budges his Syl case and rides it to majority.

On April 03 2013 11:04 Ghor wrote:
Ghor in conflict, ghor not sure what make of risk. ghor also like hopeless and sylencia as lynch choices.

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On April 03 2013 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about?

What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia).

by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town.


ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive).
ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia.


Keeps Risk and Hopeless as an option but still never considers them seriously.

On April 03 2013 20:49 Ghor wrote:
ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post.

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So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways.


this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced.


##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia


Ghors mind: Shit, he's going to hammer Hopeless and I'll look terrible. He also thinks I look terrible anyway. BETTER RIDE THIS SYL LYNCH HOME BABY!


Summary:

- Ghor initially thinks Syl is scum because he lied about him, and said a bunch of mean things. Syl was pressuring Ghor, and Ghor no like this.

- Ghor thinks Hopeless could be scum because he is 'braindead' and thinks Ghor is scum with risk. Only has this read after VE and myself call him out.

- For someone who called Syl "Too self-centered", he seems to be very careful about his image and quick to retaliate; people who are suspect of him are his top scumreads.

##Vote: Ghor

I don't think Risk is scum with Ghor, for the record.


Point 1: I thought Syl was scum for a multitude of reasons, as shown by my numerous cases.

Point 2: Hopeless attacked both you and me for things that weren't true/resulted from reading mistakes. Since it persisted for longer time and he attacked me while I was pressuring sylencia and trying to get answers from him, I assumed it was malicious.

Point 3: Didn't OMGUS risk.nuke, and the "careful about image thing" isn't conform with how I led the Sylencia lynch late in the day. So yeah, two points to falsify this view.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 20:21 GMT
#614
Point against you:

Point 1 and 2 applied during day1 already.
Point 3 is generalized and not true.

And the fact that you didn't find me scummy for the same points D1 still applies. You say yourself you didn't find me scummy, so you're either saying that you didn't notice it, or you admit that you only call it out as scummy when it fits your needs.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 06 2013 12:51 GMT
#616
It's sad no one posted yet, I'll be away until roughly 29 h for rl business. I'm not dropping my vote until then cause I don't want to do rash things, and I suggest you don't do them either until I'm back.

If someone would be so kind to get RoL to talk, cause currently I don't see much reason to believe that he's town, while he should actually post according to his free time now.

Anyway, I'm off.
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