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On April 04 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Yeah I did miss that.  I looked at Sylencia yesterday and decided I don't wanna lynch. Lazer even looked super scummy to me for his case. But I had missed your case and frankly now I'm not so sure where I stand on Sylencia. Here's my problem with Sylencia. Sylencia seems to be lynchbait - has been mislynched repeatedly for (I think) similar reasons you cite. Why guaranteed red flip to you?
The meta is an issue.
earlier ones are newbs, and they seem to feel different for all the players I read meta for.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553&user=290656 Themed
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&user=290656 Aint big enough
I chose this post as possible bound (under the right conditions?)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17885917
I have no idea why, but I think I start analysing Syl with positive cognitive bias.
logically however....
Why Syls current position, is not present in the thread and no vote on anyone?
D1 is drawing to close ....
and no effort to even arrange a way for the times when Syl can be in the thread to get a vote down...
There was time last night when Syl voting Hopeless would have been the hammer?
but still to say nothing?
Syl: could have said "hey guys, id like to vote to minimise the chance of a no lynch but not make the hammer happen now, would someone make some space so I can vote then go to bed?"
Syl: has policy of not leaving votes around carelessly in instant majority... seems little more in practice like just not voting.
but basically... logically... I just cant see how townie.Syl could ride out D1 without a vote down...
I also cant see why scum.Syl wouldn't have found a place to park a vote?
So as I said.
I have no idea why, but I think I start analysing Syl with positive cognitive bias.
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In this setup scum don't HAVE to vote if they don't want to, as the lynches aren't plurality and hammers can occur with only a majority voting. Factor that in.
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## Unvote Kenpachi
## Vote Hopeless1der
Hopeless1Der should now be at L-2.
going for a zzzz. Should be back...
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Who Syl, said Syl will vote (but didnt?): most recent statement i remember.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187555
On April 03 2013 18:08 Sylencia wrote:
Now Ghor has suddenly done a 180 on risk saying he's town based on activity (...) and chooses to jump ship to Hopeless.
So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
I've actually started to doubt hopeless is scum when I saw that quote from syl, and also when he martyred right after Axle announced he would move vote to L-1. Maybe those aren't the best reasons, but there are better reasons to vote for syl in my opinion.
I also think I'll pull back my townread from risk, it was a rash decision cause I couldn't choose between risk and hopeless at that moment, and I don't see them being scum together, especially since I'm sure syl is scum.
I'm back to risk or sylencia for the moment. Those are my two candidates I want to hammer. I should be back shortly before deadline, if my vote will be needed on risk, else it's on syl anyway. If not, it looks like hopeless is the preferred hammer candidate by most of town currently.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
I would also like to add that I'm aware of risk's lurky scum meta. But this is a mini and scum is required to be active, and risk has been forced to do so early (thus committing himself to keep up to that), so I will not put too much credit into his activity like he wants people to. I'm not too happy about his mono-scumread and null-everything-else.
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IAMBIG COUNT
risk.nuke ( 0): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD, Hopeless1der
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 2 ): AxleGreaser, Ghor, Lazermonkey, Ghor,
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): Sylencia, RebirthOfLeGenD
Ghor ( 0 ): Hopeless1der , Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der ( 3 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, Mr. Cheesecake, Ghor, Hopeless1der, AxleGreaser
Not Voting ( 3 ): Sylencia, Hopeless1der, VisceraEyes
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
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I am back! Ghor, we are you not speaking russian anymore? You were hillarious bro!
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On April 04 2013 00:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer? Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same. You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence... What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping. VE also mentioned how he lied about having his vote on Ghor, something that I find a far better reason to vote him than poor logic.
I'm not saying Hopeless is town or scum, I think this is quite clear in my post. He does indeed play scummy and isn't really helping town alot. Hence he is an okay lynch. But he plays similar to this in his town games, which makes it hard to determine if he is scum or not. This makes hopeless lynch a very risky lynch imo.
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how much time left until no lynch?
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On April 04 2013 04:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
how much time left until no lynch?
07:00 TL Time. You have ~2.5 hours remaining.
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Cc, can you specify why you find syl town?
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Syl isnt as scummy as Hopeless. The evidence against Syl boils down to his stance on me which can be explained by either alignment easily.
I just wish he would vote and take a stance. Other than that I don't think he's so scummy. I played a newbie with him and he was just the same as town; best mislynch eu. In fact, he seems like a really easy target to call scum.
Apologies, at work on phone illegally.
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Two hours untill lynch and noone here to talk? : (
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What happend with "lolol the case on Syl is terrible". Now you call him scum for that exact reason? Hypocrite much bro? Also if you think that is the only reason I'm voting him then you need to read the thread....
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Where did i call syl scum, you're delusional.
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I'm pseudo-around.
I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge?
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On April 04 2013 05:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Where did i call syl scum, you're delusional. Mybad. You call him scummy. Still proves my point as you obviously think that my case has some merit.
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You're failing a reading comprehension terribly. I said that he's not so scummy, but he's easy to throw shit on.
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On April 04 2013 05:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Syl isnt as scummy as Hopeless. The evidence against Syl boils down to his stance on me which can be explained by either alignment easily.
I just wish he would vote and take a stance. Other than that I don't think he's so scummy. I played a newbie with him and he was just the same as town; best mislynch eu. In fact, he seems like a really easy target to call scum.
Apologies, at work on phone illegally. I take this as you think he looks scummy but Hopeless looks worse. Why would you otherwise phrase it like that...
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