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On April 02 2013 21:29 risk.nuke wrote: When I read it? Sorry thread, my last two posts were chasing what I thought was something significant, turns out when I went back to verify all my facts, I had missed critical post where risk first mentioned Hopeless... sorry i thought this hopeless thing had come out of left field. Indeed irrespective of whether or not Risk, gets lynched or flips scum or town, I would like some input from people such as Hopeless today. | ||
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On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless1der it started with this post. He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessert fruity His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages. So you think we ought Lynch Hopeless instead on the basis of that? he did make this post pointing out what he claimed was problem with your posts. | ||
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On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Howdy folks! @Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct? Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? | ||
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On April 02 2013 22:07 AxleGreaser wrote: So you think we ought Lynch Hopeless instead on the basis of that? he did make this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177783 pointing out what he claimed was problem with your posts. | ||
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On April 03 2013 01:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Axle You're quite all over the place. Give me something to work with here. Who should we lynch today, based on current posts? Make a stance, because I can't seem to understand what exactly it is you're thinking. You ask a metric fuckton of questions, but they don't seem to be furthing your reads at all. Sorry about being all over the place. I wanted data, not a 1 early wagon and a basically silent day. From my point of view it(the risk incident) is a little odd and I get conflicting reads. There was either lot of bad play or there is scum in there some where. I have made some progress in clarifying those conflicts. I also had the problem that i thought the 3 votes by such influential players would let scum if they were still out there sit around comfortably, as the remaining townies would also just drop into lurk mode thinking the lynch was set. Also even if risk was scum then the remaining scum player would likewise go to ground. All possibilities were from viewpoint less than ideal. So I wanted to shake stuff up, hence voting Syl, who I legitimately voted because I thought of the lurkers Syl would be the next lurker to get home from work. I have also read a bit of Syls meta over time and I was also worried Syl might just stay silent and leave us one more unreadable. Sylencia can be true to name and very silent. I also tried to be encouraging about Syls post hoping to get more, .... I also had problems with the wagon itself, One description of the wagon, the description that makes risk.nuke scum is.... is that you directly pressured risk.nuke he coped alright, but then he felt pressured to be productive, and he completely flubbed his push on RoL by pushing when he couldn't say " yes I(risk) have a scumread on RoL (std disclaimer: not strong one because its early) " In contrast when you pushed Risk you did have some reason. Risk pushed then said pretty much said 'no just kidding'. There were various other problems/inconsistencies with his explanations. What really tricks/confuses me out is RoL had pretty much just suggested lynching VE for being bad not scum. "I don't feel like this game getting out of hand spammy and I also hate when one person triggers the "I'm town" bullshit." Why (as either alignment) did risk invoke Kenpachi at all why didn't he just call RoL scum? one explanation that may fit best is; when pressured scum get flustered. My previous reading of risk didn't indicate that might happen. All that happens while still at your 1 vote so its not even like there was a lot of pressure when he chose to say kenpachi. in terms of logic, the explanations from risk that come later also don't bear the consistency marks of truth, they resemble scrambling. However i also really don't like VEs reasoning here, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177638 I also don't like that RoL, chose to go from 2 votes to 3 so soon. That looks expedient, I would have thought RoL would be aware of the value of milking the wagon for whatever association tells we could get out of it. I don't know why but I just cant shake the feel read that risk.nuke responses were town motivated, and that all the illogicality of it is just bad play. Now that the wagon has backed of a bit, and thus other people are posting and considering options again, I think I might get some more sleep, its 5am. | ||
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I am not yet clear on what happened in the last 5 hours or so, while I have read it, more than once and at 16 pages total the thread is not huge by any stretch. so... | ||
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one of the propositions, it is just cold logic. If we take the player List, I can cut in two in a way that is interesting to me. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLegend and Risk.nuke. are in one (pool A). if I leave myself out (as i have read my PM) that leaves Sylencia, LazerMonkey, Hopeless, and Ghor in (pool B) So, if both you(the reader) and I had to guess out of pool A & B who scum would nk.... I think we would reach the same conclusion. (It is also even true if you take yourself out and put me in pool B) I am a contrarian bastard, all else being equal, anything scum wants I don't. Sorry guys, unless we have an actual significant reason, and I don't consider the cases that have been put on risk.nuke and more recently cheescake a significant reason, then Lynching into the same pool as scum will nk a Townie from seems silly. If scum want what i consider one of the players with better/longer track records dead, then scum can god damn kill them themselves. Basically a significant part of why (if i get a choice) I will choose to lynch out of pool B is what I regard as holes in all the logic I have seen put against members of Pool A. But worse the holes are at times (mainly?) from other members of pool A. As such I have the expectation I will be posting things about what happened between Cheescakes pressure vote http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177222 and My first post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177952 basically the analysis is going to be a little pointless (sorry) as what I wind up with is meh/whatever, but it is the mehness of that that justifies me lynching into pool B. Also as once the Lynch goes down there is silent night, and a chance either someone I discuss (or really unlikely me?) will die, I would like to have my view of those events on the table. I see them differently, to the participants. As stated it does not paint any one of them red, if you are one of Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLegend and Risk.nuke. and you wish to clarify the towny intentions of/behind your actions, AKA walk us through your thinking, please do. Finally note one rather useful thing the whole risk.nuke wagon did was it parked all of the pool A players, on or under a wagon, and left space for the lurkers to come out and play. Hence it was in some sense a good thing, even if risk.nuke was never a lot scummy. My next and immediate task is to decide if i want to 'vote to Lynch', Hopeless, Sylencia, Lazer or Ghor. | ||
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On April 03 2013 14:34 Ghor wrote: ghor actually decide to give risk townread for now.he not lurky, he sound better lately. ghor kill hopeless, people wait for sylencia to answer. ghor want hammer. and sickle. da. ##Unvote #-#hopeless1der ATTENTION THREAD hopeless1der is at L-1 If you vote NOW for hopeless the day ends... do not vote right now. Do NOT LOL hammer. I was coming here to vote for Hopeless.... to put him at L-1, but as it would be now the intention to hammer vote.... IMO need slightly better reasons, as I also need to rule out Syl and Lazer. (RL life means I have to cook tea, and stuff... so I cant be quick) basically I think people ought start getting their affairs in order.... Hopeless You say that you are town... I think you game is about to end.... What help can you give town? Some nice you will be sorry when you lynch me thing... ok? | ||
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 What has hopeless1der done this game, and is it consistent with a scummy motivation. TLDR: Yes. Were done intention to hammer the lynch on Hopless1der Suggestions on what time you dont want him hammered before welcome... Is there anything anyone wants to say before we enter silent night and you perhaps die? In particular are there any people who might be nk targets that wish to speak before they die? pool A... That means You + Show Spoiler [an actual case] + is there anything that is not consistent with scum Hopeless? Policy talk asks Ghor about language issues He makes 1 prod at the risk wagon. (has 1 out 2 valid points) but does not Vote (it is at L-2... ?) so perhaps thats a choice. (yes he hunted risk as scum,(found 1 scummy point) see later post for why risk might well not be...) As town: Personally if it is VEs and RoLs wagon, I also want to see why they are pushing it as at that point in the game I don't at this time know if they are town. So yeah chucking fuel on someone elses wagon, is a bit scummy. So even though he wants long day.. presumably to catch _other_ scum... what is his apparent prime focus... He then asks Ghor about risk.nuke, and votes him to pressure him into replying, but even though he is hunting scum is is supposedly be, like Syl, concerned somewhat about the possibility of hammering when Hopless gets an answer from Ghor the vote, that he is concerned about, stays parked on Ghor... because.... he doesn't care? Having said I think he's a good choice for lynch. at 1.32 admitedly not that long later, but it is only when pushed, he puts his vote on risk... Now personally I have some sympathy for the view of not putting risk at L-1 earlier where one actual accident ends the day. Indeed I think he should not have so rapidly gone from 1 to 3 votes... My problem is the posting and voting seems to be following path of least resistance, like whatever is needed to get people to look elsewhere or just get the lynch to happen. If scum is lucky or good in instant majority lynching they don't need to have any votes on any wagons... especially if the front runner is a mislynch. You can fan it and throw petrol on it but there is no need to actually vote it. When asked why Ghor rejecting Hopelesses dsicovery of a scum slip (by risk) as a scum slip, is a scummy thing for Ghor to do, Hopless claims that is Ghor somehow sweeping it under the rug. I find that little odd... I find that if there is some disagreement like whether or not something is scum slip.. as town that attracts my attention... after all if one of them is making up scum slips out of whole cloth, then I need to think why they'd make that mistake. One reason scum make mistakes like that is they are always reaching for arguments to show things they know not to be true. Town can make overreaching claims too, but I find it tends to be a scummy thing to do. And then it just gets silly.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18181435 when hopeless finds 3rd scum in the game... personally if you find some hole in my reasoning... first I am embarrased, and second since I am playing to win... I want to fix my error. Hopelesses reasoning that doubting his scum slip is scum slip makes the doubter scum leads to the conclusion there are 3 scum. Ergo the logic is faulty. Does hopeless want correct logic? Nope. (BTW I think it not scum slip too I must be scum as well that makes it 4 scum in 9 player game... Oh nos were at Lylo?) Does hopless want to go back and find out what that error means and correct it? See earlier when I stuffed up and asked a couple of stupid pointless questions. I just flat out said oops. I said it so no one would be distracted by the error. Care to Guess why, I care about the thread having truthful information? While he says “I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon.” presumably that is so as to hunt other scum... but basically a summary of Hopeless1der's scum hunting is.... Looking around for someone else who wants to lynch risk... His new scum read Ghor, was found because he disgreed with one part of a post Hopeless made against risk. When he discovers multiple people think the slip was not slip and that Ghors point was right... They're all scum All up my actual position is I think Hopeless is the most likely person I see to flip scum Intention to hammer Hopeless1der Caveat: I will also now consider some meta + Show Spoiler [meta] + here is Hopeless challenging palmer Logic. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17407538 This is hopeless making read that allows for the kind of player he is considering http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17409484 That seems little disparate with his tolerance for Ghor... who is admittedly perhaps more challenging than Palmar. However no it does not really seem like Towny Hopeless from LVIII to me. @LAZER http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187577 As you played and think the meta is similar Would you care to outline examples where Hopeless is reactive, like i find him in this game or examples where he is so interested in what other people are voting. examples of him commenting (throwing fuel) on wagons ... or any explanation of what he wanted the day to be long so that he could accomplish? What was he doing today? FYI: No I wont be hammering soon or abruptly... We have a long time to spin our wheels and line up all our ducks. I have several long posts I want to make that I have not yet written. I want to put in the thread my best understanding of what happened when the risk wagon started, and why I was not all yipee lets lynch that scum.. there were and are issues with that wagon. Also unless i hear from the people who i think might get nk'd that they are done posting for the day, that will also make me pause for as long as I safely can. | ||
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On April 03 2013 19:22 Lazermonkey wrote: I think you are using meta in the wrong way, Axle. No, I haven't actually gone back to the games to find specific posts that match with this game but I don't feel I have to. You have displayed that you don't think his play this game matches his town meta (first and foremost you only quote 2 posts, but lets ignore that for a sec) however, this is quite irrelevant. What we do want to know is if his meta matches his scum games, not if it doesn't match his town games. My point is that hopeless have a history misslynches and I think there are better alternatives than him atm. No you are right, it is true you don't have to, but your post directed me at an entire filter. So I thought i would be polite and at least attempt to see if your point made sense to me. I do want to be sure we lynch the best most likely candidate. You failed to find difference between his play here and there, I thought I did. I also admit I just added that bit in at the end, primarily my read/case was based on his play in just this game. Also i see better alternatives is plural... do you have better alternatives or a better alternative? | ||
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On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? | ||
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On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote: risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started? | ||
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On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote: Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever.. That's strange... while that is where in your filter you first started mentioning Ghor... I did indeed find the argument over the scum slip interesting. In this post On April 03 2013 01:59 Hopeless1der wrote: it was what initially put me onto you as scum, so thank you for the compliment. You indicate that it was him not agreeing with your assessment of the scumslip. Now that is important to me in assessing the genuine nature of your scum hunting. it strike me that if you are reacting emotively to "a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills" and when you find out that what you claimed was what originally put you onto him then at best you are seriously tunnel visioned... Wine that is easier to drink is that, you are scum, and not interested in whether or not your read started from false premise. (the false premise is Ghor not liking your scum slip indicated to you, he was scum) Its true that is not strong indicator, its true if I had better candidate id vote lynch them. Its not the only thing I said in that post by rather long shot. As you have noted its not possible that all the people who don't think that was scum slip are scum, there are just too many of us. So yes I regard that you do not seem to go back and actually critically evaluate your reads as scum indicative. it simply doesn't feel like genuine searching for the truth, just a glove that does or does not fit. BTW. I got a bad feeling the trolly jerk face probably fell off his chair when he read your last post. | ||
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On March 29 2013 03:16 Dandel Ion wrote: I will be very disappointed if you don't lynch the host, though. beggars cant be choosers, no case on the host yet i am afraid, will kenpachi do? A case on Kenpachi + Show Spoiler [Open in the event of Death] + or for personal amusement or to find out why WTF I was doing today... The Kenpachi Incident. Axle: Well Skip, this is fine game of mafia, seen any funny peculiar smelly stuff? Skip: Woof! Axle: so you fetch the sticks I will examine them. Skip: fetch For the sake of those that are not familiar with the standard a pattern, after perhaps little policy warm up, the 'players' start some argy bargy. + Show Spoiler [argy bargy] + Skip: Stick: Cheese votes Ah yes, Cheese did a just for LOLs vote on risk.nuke because he had some small cause, absence from thread having posted ... in the first few mins then dropped out for 90 mins or so. Skip: Stick: active delurker risk responds in 3 mins, just happened to be there? Risk is not (in my view phased at all)... Later Skip: here he says "Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine,..." Having got someone new to talk to Cheescake gets on with the game Skip: Cheese not think hi vote is a big deal... Not to be outdone RoL votes VE (for being bad not for being scum?) (aka BS) Skip: Votes VE for BS VE and Rol swap some BS, and feigned? offence... (dont know how close to the bone this game cuts yet) And then the wheels supposedly fall off. At 9:18 risk posts a reply he probably been writing since about 8:52 Skip: Policy statements by risk Now question you have to ask your self, is if Risk is scum just how pressured does he feel at the moment? Does it make sense that he rashly grabs at just anything because "OMG they're onto me?" 1 minute later. he posts this... Skip: RoL got kenpachied? do you think he was really hoping someone was going to ride, the idea that anyone who votes for anyone who says they are towny is scum? Could it be that he just likes knowing about the rule? besides what actually does he say the Rule is? Skip: The rule "Kenpachi claims vanilla townie and the first person to contest it is mafia." and for me here is one rub, Kenpachi is not in the game...! not only is Kenpachi not in the game, but VE claimed town, not VT? When kenpachi claimed VT, thats a much bigger WTF play that might well garner some scum pressure looking for the first silly play they can find... The two situations to me bear almost no similarity... so far... I hate to go all ACE and 3rd grade reading skills .... exactly how serious, does anyone who can read, think what a such ridiculously BS claim is? BTW (I am dead serious, AFTER the game feel free anyone who knows better to tell me what the F this was all about if it was not just all bullshit.) So VE asks.... Ah I see. So does this make RoL scum to you? Well as the conditions of the trap were not met, its an obvious no? As best I can tell, what risk did wrong, was when Risk made his push on VE he couldn't back it up at all. Thus unlike cheeses vote, which had some basis in fact... Risk was lurking... Risk pushed without a plan what to do if the pushee pushed back... AKA not being serious, not really trying, yeah its bit thin... but are scum actually that willy nilly? However, even though VEs vote puts risk at 2 votes which is more pressure, and we could wait and see what happens, with that much pressure. Why is two votes a good idea? Well when he had one vote, he was basically laughing it off. RoL however jumps on with the 3rd vote... My problem with that move... is there is for me such discontinuity between the pressure of 1 vote and being at L-2 that i have no serious idea, whether Risk subsequent messes as he tries to back out of it badly... remembering the spontaneous 1 min knee jerk way he got into the mess, its not surprising to me there was no exit strategy. because yes even as town after you push one player you may need to then go push another hence an exit strategy if you find your pressure is no longer required as you got he feedback to soothe that itchy feeling. (Syl posting when Syl got home from work) About the towniest thing I saw he did for a while, was, first try then ignore it and go to bed. So yeah, the Kenpachi thing was ill advised, and spontaneous, that therewere in fact logical ways to say no it was just for Lols look it doesn't even fit this situation... but that wasnt said? basically it feels a lot like a face palm play. Shit happens.... However.... did scum try to capitalise on that? Well basically Cheese got stuck under a bigger push... (or just was RL asleep/work?) VE presented this argument + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either: 1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule. 2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL. I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1). ##Vote: risk.nuke Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy. Um err what? VE presents two options Risk is "the pope" or "hes scum" proves he not the pope therefore he is scum? Now that exaggerates the problem a lot but NO VE, that is known as false dichotomy? yes VE (may!!!) have ruled out 2, but no that does not only leave option 1... BTW how would presenting case you really support that someone is scum trap someone into agreeing with it at all. I agree its shitty trap that would never have done anything... if some reader knew what the trap was... See here Risk says he thought more people knew about it.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18179647 People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Do note how the trap worked before it got outed, in other words it was tell that required the trapee to not know what the trap was... if more people knew about it then its no longer applicable? The intriguing thing about this whole business is, what exactly was the Kenpachi trap? Well Kenpachi did something to make himself Lynch bait, and then waited for a fish to bite... people looking for easy BS lynches were more likely to take the bait... aka scum go for the low hanging fruit. Oh ... I see said the blind man... There were indeed some people doing things that were ever so slightly scummy in that they could have been easily mistaken as riding some easy mislynch into the ground. BTW ta. So what does all this mean? Well while there is in fact some scumminess in risk being lackadaisical in how he pushed and made a fluff of it, I think scum sometimes are more lase fair in their approach to the game... although some scum play more serious so WTF knows anyway its at least an oddly weak play by risk... but lynch worthy that early? No just a convenient place to park. So what does all this mean? Well after we Lynch the first two Scum we should then Lynch Kenpachi Intent to Lynch kenpachi! TLDR; Hes been shitting up the thread enormously. Obvious scum is obvious. Well just as soon as I can find him... | ||
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On April 04 2013 00:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer? It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same. You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence... What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping. Lazer Said "Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum." Sorry earlier I failed to even parse what LazerMonkey meant. I kind of auto assumed he couldn't find any EXTRA reasons I thought he was scummy... Well in my view rather obviously as I put my case AFTER VE and cheese said their bits, but I did not say I disagreed with them, that was an implicit agreement. So basically while I do agree with what had been said, my post added what ever extra I could. BTW. I am getting pretty tired... expect some WTF grammar and stuff. | ||
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I have counted it, but i am a bit bleary eyed and want a nap. If Hopeless is at L-2 I will vote now. I ought wake up, but just to be safe... | ||
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On April 04 2013 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm back. Did I miss anything BESIDES Hopeless trying to kill himself? I made case to Lynch the third scum kenpachi? So not really. Are you going to be here until Lynch/Hammer? if so and you unvote, Hopeless Then I will vote him. Id like nap... and has he has pointed out if I put him at L-1 he could self hammer...? and i am way to tired to guess if he might or what that would mean. | ||
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On April 04 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I did miss that.  I looked at Sylencia yesterday and decided I don't wanna lynch. Lazer even looked super scummy to me for his case. But I had missed your case and frankly now I'm not so sure where I stand on Sylencia. Here's my problem with Sylencia. Sylencia seems to be lynchbait - has been mislynched repeatedly for (I think) similar reasons you cite. Why guaranteed red flip to you? The meta is an issue. earlier ones are newbs, and they seem to feel different for all the players I read meta for. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553&user=290656 Themed http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&user=290656 Aint big enough I chose this post as possible bound (under the right conditions?) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17885917 I have no idea why, but I think I start analysing Syl with positive cognitive bias. logically however.... Why Syls current position, is not present in the thread and no vote on anyone? D1 is drawing to close .... and no effort to even arrange a way for the times when Syl can be in the thread to get a vote down... There was time last night when Syl voting Hopeless would have been the hammer? but still to say nothing? Syl: could have said "hey guys, id like to vote to minimise the chance of a no lynch but not make the hammer happen now, would someone make some space so I can vote then go to bed?" Syl: has policy of not leaving votes around carelessly in instant majority... seems little more in practice like just not voting. but basically... logically... I just cant see how townie.Syl could ride out D1 without a vote down... I also cant see why scum.Syl wouldn't have found a place to park a vote? So as I said. I have no idea why, but I think I start analysing Syl with positive cognitive bias. | ||
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## Vote Hopeless1der Hopeless1Der should now be at L-2. going for a zzzz. Should be back... | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187555 On April 03 2013 18:08 Sylencia wrote: Now Ghor has suddenly done a 180 on risk saying he's town based on activity (...) and chooses to jump ship to Hopeless. So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways. | ||
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