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Hopeless1der
it started with this post.
On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling?
He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on?
Compare to other filters,
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His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything.
The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages.
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why you must
Do Not LOL Hammer
When you post "intent to Lynch" you then need to wait until we also get last reads from any plausible nks.
In game with just instant majority Lynch it is AFAIK good idea to always post 'intent to Lynch' before anyone hammers the lynch. (I have never played in one... so that is hearsay)
In this game we also have silent nights. If some tard LOL Hammers then the immediately imposed silence,
means whoever scum nks gets no chance, to post their _other_ reads.
As scum are likely to kill who-evers input they most want to stop. Loosing the nk's last _other_ reads (and flip speculation) is a bad thing.
So to operate in its own best interests, Town needs just a little organisation near the hammer vote.
I for instance have some things to say,
I want to say them after we get to intent to Lynch.
(While by dead reckoning, on the basis of prior form, I numerically shouldn't be the kill, but scum does weird WIFOM shit sometimes.)
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On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessertfruityHis other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages.
risk I am little confused you said you'd post about "hapa" which confused the dickens out of me as hapa is not playing.
hapa is hosting...
In this post you say... "it started with this post."
What started? are you responding to a question? What is the "it" that started?
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sorry, hapa=hopeless
What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter.
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On April 02 2013 21:07 risk.nuke wrote:
sorry, hapa=hopeless
What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter.
On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? ....
So when you said "it started with this post."
"What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter."
Could you walk me through when and how this happened please?
When did that post rub you the wrong way?
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On April 02 2013 21:29 risk.nuke wrote:
When I read it?
Sorry thread, my last two posts were chasing what I thought was something significant,
turns out when I went back to verify all my facts, I had missed critical post where risk first
mentioned Hopeless... sorry i thought this hopeless thing had come out of left field.
Indeed irrespective of whether or not Risk, gets lynched or flips scum or town,
I would like some input from people such as Hopeless today.
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On April 02 2013 21:44 AxleGreaser wrote:Sorry thread, my last two posts were chasing what I thought was something significant, turns out when I went back to verify all my facts, I had missed critical post where risk first mentioned Hopeless... sorry i thought this hopeless thing had come out of left field. Indeed irrespective of whether or not Risk, gets lynched or flips scum or town, I would like some input from people such as Hopeless today.
That's good to hear, Your first posts made you seem like an intelligent person and I was starting to wonder what happened.
Moving on, I'm getting tired of talking about me, you said you had an initial scumread on VE? What triggered that?
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On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessertfruityHis other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages.
So you think we ought Lynch Hopeless instead on the basis of that?
he did make this post pointing out what he claimed was problem with your posts.
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Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is.
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On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is.
+ Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2.
So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ?
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Perfect count
Risk.Nuke ( 3 ): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 0 ): AxleGreaser
Mr. CheeseCake ( 1 ): Sylencia
Not Voting ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Risk.Nuke, Ghor, Hopeless1der, LazerMonkey
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
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Total EBWOP... (even though the choice of hopelss posts is rather limited hence its obvious
On April 02 2013 22:07 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post. On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessertfruityHis other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages. So you think we ought Lynch Hopeless instead on the basis of that? he did make this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177783 pointing out what he claimed was problem with your posts.
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On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today.
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Btw risk, your main argument against Hopeless at this point is that he entered the thread and was posting but didn't actually say anything of value, i.e. actively lurking. While I do agree this point, I feel that this was exactly how Sylencia entetered the thread. Yet you only mention Hopeless, why is that? I do know that Sylencia have since then been posting one big post but earlier you posted this: On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum. mentioning Hopeless but never Sylencia and that is well before Sylencias big post.
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Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home.
As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called 
On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.
Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.
People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.
I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast.
Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\
Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead.
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On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ I don't see why you are still so paranoid about voting around. If two guys just randomly just goes ahead and votes Risk right now, then we just lynch them both and win the game ezpz, right? Policy or not, there are stuff you cannot simply get away without getting in a very bad position.
And I'll gladly trade one mafia for a townie.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick.
but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad.
ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away.
what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum.
sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve.
he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum?
sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part.
On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright..
My thoughts so far:
- Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret.
risk
- risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said.
- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.
- Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you.
- Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it.
Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action.
-VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on.
I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me.
##Vote Mr. Cheesecake risk
On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home. As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.
Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.
People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.
I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast. Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead.
this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
no opinion about hopeless
ghor mean. ghor correct from hopeless to lazer, have it right initially but ghor corrected it like durak.
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On April 02 2013 23:03 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ I don't see why you are still so paranoid about voting around. If two guys just randomly just goes ahead and votes Risk right now, then we just lynch them both and win the game ezpz, right? Policy or not, there are stuff you cannot simply get away without getting in a very bad position. And I'll gladly trade one mafia for a townie.
Sure, I might be paranoid about it, but there are some people I wouldn't be surprised to see sheep lynch a townie through convincing. Hell, if the case was good enough it would be hard for me not to consider following along. That isn't the case here but my point is you can't just say "If 2 more people go for the kill here, they must both be scum." since that general kind of statement leads to dumb mislynches down the track when you use when they vote as a case.
Ghor, since it's looking more trollish by the second, you could probably drop the third person at least or I'm not really going to be able to read your posts seriously enough. I don't even follow what you mean regarding what I said about risk + CC. As for why I haven't said if I thought risk's actions were scummy or not, that's because it's not exactly clear which way it goes. On one hand, you can say it's scummy because he says it was just looking for reactions but it looks more like no one followed what he was alluding to so he gave it up, but on the other hand it's hard to say he'd give it up so quickly and deny it as soon as he is questioned about it if he was scum because it's a lot more legit if you follow through with the case. Instead, he retracted it and it left him looking weak but that doesn't mean he's town. Happy?
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