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Voldemort's Lieutenant (Jack of All Trades): Bellitrix Lestrange was once a beautiful women, now she is harrowed by her long stay in Azkaban but her loyalty to her master has not wavered as her eyes sunk. She uses her prodigious magical talents to attack those who oppose Lord Voldemort and to defend those who remain loyal to the greatest wizard to ever live. “You need to mean [unforgiveable curses] Potter! You need to really want to cause pain -- to enjoy it -- righteous anger won't hurt me for long -- I'll show you how it is done, shall I? I'll give you a lesson " -Bellatrix Lestrange. Twice per game, at night, you can choose to use one of your powers. You cannot use the same power twice. Powers: Masonry, Frame, Veteran, Medic.
BH I HAS FOUND A FAIL, WAT DO
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I feel weird about /inning since I'm still involved in the game, but I fully plan on joining this once its over.
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On March 30 2013 14:44 geript wrote: Hey guys, I really don't want to discourage you guys from signing up for a big game at all. I would really recommend shadowing a veteran a time or two before hopping into big games. There really is a completely different dynamic. I agree to a certain extent since I didn't go this route before hopping into the big games and in some ways am still paying for it. One of the biggest things to get used to is the fact that many people here on TL Mafia already know each other which creates a certain dynamic in these big games that can be hard to get used to, but since there are a bunch of people joining who have already played a game or two together this may lessen the effect somewhat. Also Geript I would argue that a few of these players are more capable than I (Rainbows at least). Overall I think the best way to learn is probably just to play and get better but it all depends on how confident you are that you can tangle wit' da big boyz. Personally, I think you guys can handle it but it's up to you.
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All those newbies who have yet to play their last may as well sign up for Newbie XL right now because this game won't be starting for quite a while.
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Yeah I tried to explain to him that that's not the case (if it were I'd have been laughed off the forums ages ago)... I dunno. I'll talk to him again, there's plenty of time anyway.
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On April 20 2013 13:20 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 12:20 Oatsmaster wrote: /in
So long without a game.
IM DYING.
Also gonna be lurky useless oats. Unfortunately, the game is full. I think it is fairly likely at least one player who has signed up in the past many weeks is no longer available. Would you like to be on the replacement list? You didn't remove Rainbows. There should be a spot for Oats.
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Dafuq did I just watch Grush
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On April 21 2013 12:42 Blazinghand wrote: like a few hours until the start, friends Quick, spam the thread to show BH how much we like him and maybe he'll start sooner.
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BH's GLOVES FOR TITS PASS IT ON
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I'm not sure what the majority of timezones are like in this game but I don't know if 3AM ish start time is good for people in NA....
Mebbe you should just start tomorrow?
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At this point I need to come with something like Starsenses since I roll town every single fucking game. Grush help me come up with something!
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Do you understand mine? Or can I look forward to you calling me scummy all game?
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HEURISTIC
Ok hai guise I'm awake. Bill Murray has gone and done a very interesting thing and I'm not so sure I understand his line of thinking in millerclaiming so early. Waiting on dat Palmar explanation.
CC you're so town-looking this early you've gotta be scum. Jes' sayin'.
Also Getmoript I didn't realize you guys were hydra-ing. Is it Geript/Mocsta? If so I think my earlier comment about you finding me scummy every game still pretty much applies since you both do it, really.
Um...real talk don't have much by way of reads yet, but VE looks to be town to me. Let the Day 1 shitfest continue and let's all learn something fun! Remember to swish and flick!
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Oh hokay. Makes sense. So marv can I count on the fact that your first major scumread will almost certainly be town?
You usually have pretty good insight into Palm's doings, what's your take on him thus far? You mention that you don't want to lynch him but don't state why.
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On April 22 2013 03:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh hokay. Makes sense. So marv can I count on the fact that your first major scumread will almost certainly be town? You usually have pretty good insight into Palm's doings, what's your take on him thus far? You mention that you don't want to lynch him but don't state why. Do you want to lynch him? Not this early, no, but the difference between me and what marv did is he states a whole bunch of reads and specifically stated who he doesn't want to lynch without including Palmar in those reads. I don't have a read on Palmar at all, therefore I have no reason to lynch him. YET.
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Because Palmar is literally the only person in that post that has no explanation as to the read. If you can't see why that's suspicious I don't really have much else to say.
Which question of Hopeless's are you referring to?
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On April 22 2013 05:20 grush57 wrote:Also hello everyone! STARSENSES (not again :O ) Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 17:21 WaveofShadow wrote: At this point I need to come with something like Starsenses since I roll town every single fucking game. Grush help me come up with something! abyssal passion? Idk why we let ppl waste time with setup discussion and millers. like ITS SCUM DISTRACTIONS BRO. However d1 is stupid so, hopeless? Millers totes important, bro. Hey Marv/Geript, still looking for an answer to my question you've so conveniently ignored.
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lolwut. Uh....it was originally meant for either/both of you but now yeah, Geript.
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On April 22 2013 05:57 kushm4sta wrote: So getmoript is now mod confirmed town LOL I hate this. How do you figure?
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On April 22 2013 06:01 Hopeless1der wrote: theres scarcely the need for a separate qt when you're scum. its not 100% but I actually agree with kush for a change. I suppose that's true but until marv confirmed it himself it wasn't as clear. He could also be 3p btw.
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On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote: Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy?
Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now.
##Vote: Getmoript
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On April 22 2013 08:04 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote: Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die. Answer my question. I don't respond to threats.
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On April 22 2013 08:08 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:04 getmoript wrote:On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote: Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die. Geript, WaveofShadow, both of you get on target here. You can return to your little slap fight afterwards if you want, but read the last few pages. Look at the cases on Rayne, and look at his filter. Then put your votes where they belong, and comment. To be fair, I'm sort of curious myself as to what exactly BM's play means and am hesitant to comment too much on the state of Rayn's tunneling until I really understand if it makes sense or not. Your case is good but as far as I'm concerned it's too early to focus entirely on just one person and try to garner everyone's town votes. Still waiting on a response Geript; nice to see a vote on you actually was enough to cause some sort of a reaction. And I don't go for that 'mod-confirmed' shit either. I'll keep it in mind but I refuse to ignore him just because of it. Especially since 3p is still quite possible (and imo, likely with 3 possible 3p roles).
##Unvote: Getmoript
I want to hear more from CC or kush at the moment.
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Sharrant I had thought the same thing about Ace in the past but the past few games as town he has done the exact same thing. Null to me.
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On April 22 2013 08:25 getmoript wrote: The questions addressed to Marv or some other one? I haven't seen a serious question to me worth answering bish. Why are you so afraid that I'm 3p? Get your own fake swear.
On April 22 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh hokay. Makes sense. So marv can I count on the fact that your first major scumread will almost certainly be town? You usually have pretty good insight into Palm's doings, what's your take on him thus far? You mention that you don't want to lynch him but don't state why. Despite the fact that this was originally specifically addressed to marv, the fact remains you wrote that list post and I'd like to know what your thoughts on Palmar are.
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On April 22 2013 08:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax what makes Oats scummy to you? Mostly meta differences between his town and scum play. You'll hear the exact reasons once I feel like making a case. Could you see WoS being scum or do you feel safe in assuming he's town? Objection, leading the witness! Seriously though Vivax, this question is stupid. If I'm not confirmed town then of course it's possible for me to be scum. What exactly is your agenda here?
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On April 22 2013 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:31 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax what makes Oats scummy to you? Mostly meta differences between his town and scum play. You'll hear the exact reasons once I feel like making a case. Could you see WoS being scum or do you feel safe in assuming he's town? I'm gonna look more into Oats tomorrow when i wake up. Atm i'm leaning more onto WoS being town, mainly because afaik he has never rolled scum (at least before this game) and him claiming town in his early post reads out genuine to me. But that being said: WoS: Why do you want to hear more specifically from those guys? lol this is a terrible reason for not thinking I'm scum but whatever. CC because of his scumread on Geript; especially since it was before the 'mod-confirmed' horseshit, I want to see if he changes his mind.
Kush for similar reasons since he threw a vote on geript as well right before the 'confirmation' and right after agreed that this confirms geript as town without removing his vote. Want to gain some insight into his thoughts processes as well regarding his townreads.
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On April 22 2013 08:39 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Despite the fact that this was originally specifically addressed to marv, the fact remains you wrote that list post and I'd like to know what your thoughts on Palmar are. He's making sense and thus more likely to be town. If he doesn't die by night 2 I'll look into that read further. I just see very little point in trying to get a read on a player who I have little actual experience with and never had a very serious read on either way, seems to have a history of variable activity, and is likely to be a target of an NK if town. If he dies, then I'll dive him. If he doesn't, then I'll likely try to lynch him. It's not worth the effort and so long as he's making sense I don't see a point in not sheeping him. Your post makes sense but it seems to be a little conflicted. Calling him town is a read, and yet in the same post you say you don't see a point in trying to get a read on him. Why bother calling him town if you're so unsure of yourself?
You also say you don't see a point in not sheeping him; do you agree with his assessment of BM's pseudo-claim?
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Palmar it's not just the analysis on Sylencia, the whole post is junk and you know it.
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On April 22 2013 08:47 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote: \Kush for similar reasons since he threw a vote on geript as well right before the 'confirmation' and right after agreed that this confirms geript as town without removing his vote. Want to gain some insight into his thoughts processes as well regarding his townreads. i removed my vote and put it onto oats!!! u are soooo wrong So you did; didn't check the voting thread. That's not the point of my post though, the point was I'm interested to hear your thoughts on geript (and now oats) and your reads that you mentioned here:
On April 22 2013 01:32 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:31 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we stop trying to use the role PM to discern alignments KTHX I already did though! VE town CC town Hopeless scum
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On April 22 2013 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sharrant are you treating Geript as confirmed town or not? I'm pretty sure that was made clear by his post.
On April 22 2013 08:56 kushm4sta wrote: Dear WoS, My vote on Oats..palmar called him scum. he got all sarcastic "ooo you found me." his sarcasm pissed me off so I voted him. My vote really doesn't go beyond that. Since then he's been afk.
Getript - very weird first post but now he's mod confirmed town. I don't really want to talk about it because I'm afraid a mod will yell at me but yeah..
VE town, CC town, Hopeless scum...that was following my role PM theories about how only town would mention that the role pms made them check the OP but scum would not. I dropped that because everyone said it was dumb. IMO it's smart. There is a reason mods dont want you to discuss things. And that's because those things hold the secret to who is scum!! But anyway yeah since then hopeless has been afk but he is on my watch list.
Hopeless is scummier than Oats atm, but I really can't be bothered to change my vote because im lazy. Thank you, kind sir.
On April 22 2013 08:56 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Your post makes sense but it seems to be a little conflicted. Calling him town is a read, and yet in the same post you say you don't see a point in trying to get a read on him. Why bother calling him town if you're so unsure of yourself? I said I wasn't interested in lynching into him. There's a difference between saying I'm not interested in lynching him today and calling him town, dear. Geript, you gotta find your own thing, man. Thanks for + Show Spoiler + responding though. That's all for now.
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On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote:Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote: @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now?
Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?
Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?
Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games. I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points. I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.) In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active? So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read. Your sentences are the run-onniest. You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game?
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I'd just like to point out that in the past couple of games I played (Ego Mini, Hydra II) scum were mainly amongst lurkers. There are a few people we haven't heard from at all yet and a few with filters that are lacking. I know it's not even 24h into D1 but I personally feel that is worth noting, especially when these people do finally post.
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On April 22 2013 10:46 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote:Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote: @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now?
Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?
Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?
Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games. I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points. I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.) In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active? So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read. Your sentences are the run-onniest. You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game? Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size. Considering the size of his filter and the degree to which he has been under scrutiny thus far in the game, no, I don't think that's enough at all. If you read into him even a little bit I think you'd have plenty to go on; your read is lazy imo.
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On April 22 2013 12:14 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:13 kushm4sta wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 kushm4sta wrote:On April 22 2013 11:51 yamato77 wrote: I don't like that TRN seems to fail at reading you, nor that he doesn't seem to understand how most games are started.
But meh, aside from that, most of the people posting right now seem town enough.
People that HAVE irked me so far include CC, VE, and Oats.
BM is also sketch for his claim thing. He "soft claimed" last game, too, and was mafia. This could be the same sort of play. Is yamato super scummy or is it just me? I mean I know he has some sort of IRL excuse (which I dont recall reading about myself actually) but dear lord he is scummy. He "doesn't like" that a noob is being a noob... WTF does that mean? Then he lists off some easy targets who haven't been here and say they "irk" him. Then BM is sketch. these words are very wishy washy. Also his comment on BM is really dumb reasoning compared to his usual town reasoning. TLDR, no conviction behind anything yamato Look up a dictionary and tell me where "sketch" and "irk" imply indecisiveness and I'll take this post seriously. In the context of forum mafia they do. what do they imply? Suspicious activity has been detected in the vicinity of the Oats/CC/VE/BM area. Proceed with caution. VE's lack of posting worries me but I do recall having an early townread on him. I can't read Oats worth a shit, CC I'm not sure of yet one way or another and BM....well we still gotta wait on see.
Yamato can you do me a favour and expand on your read of TRN? The analysis in your read coincides with mine but I'm honestly not sure what you mean by you 'not liking' him.
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On April 22 2013 12:59 kushm4sta wrote: SHARRANT and RAYNE plz stfu talking to each other / about each other. i think i speak for everyone when I say this...tldr for realz SHUTTING DOWN CONVERSATION! SCUMMY
On April 22 2013 12:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Ugh, all I've got are feel reads. I wouldn't mind lynching me a Hopeless or Giygas (idc how you spell it) today. No reasoning given, just the feels. Hard evidence is difficult to come by unless I'm purposely trying to lynch townies as mafia t.t /complain.
I feel like sharrant is town, for the record. Ray is probably town. Yamato I'm disappointed hasn't been shouting at people so I could easily discern his alignment, but unfortunately he has just been threatening to kill people. Icantbelievehesnullbro.
Shiaopi i think would be a decent target as well.
Could someone just yell at me in all caps so I feel like I'm being pressured? Like seriously it's how I get my best reads -- on those who pressure me.
CC YOURE SO PROTOWN THIS GAME YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY MAFIA POST A READ NOW OR I LYNCH YOU NPNP
Sorry I'm procrastinating studying and bored.
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On April 22 2013 13:05 getmoript wrote: Right with you WoS. I've got a cardiac test tomorrow, what do you have? Visual Perception/Binocular Vision It's all physics and theory...it's just horrible.
Also Ace never stop posting memes/gifs in these games man.
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On April 22 2013 13:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sup guys. On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? TRN and Palmar are probably town. i was making a joke about his stupid sounding name it wasn't a serious claim whatsoever this is why the internet is not good for tone. Well that was pretty anticlimactic.
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Fuck it, I'm just gonna say what everyone else is thinking, CC's shitstorm be damned.
BM, why in all that is holy would you post that as a joke. You obviously knew exactly what effect a post like that would have, what gives?
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On April 22 2013 13:31 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Fuck it, I'm just gonna say what everyone else is thinking, CC's shitstorm be damned.
BM, why in all that is holy would you post that as a joke. You obviously knew exactly what effect a post like that would have, what gives? no i didnt. i didnt spell it correctly to make fun of the lispyness of the name you all should, you know, ask me before you take a claim serious. if i'm CLAIMING i'm going to have a wallpost with my information to give to the thread. All that happened here was mafia wanted to see how easily they could lynch me for attacking a solid town threat. So based on this do you think you can now go through the thread and systematically pick off the mafia by their reactions to your....'joke?'
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On April 23 2013 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 07:15 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 23 2013 07:13 Palmar wrote: I could do oats.
also never forget that VE is superscum. False. why so shit then? Said the kettle. I'm inactive, but clearly trying. Look again. Someone mentioned it earlier but lurker VE is scum VE---since I had you as town read from beginning of game I was worried when you stopped posting. One particular thing that struck me as scummy about Oats (besides the inactivity and general uselessness of his posting) was the vote on Giygas....just looked like an easy way (since he showed minimal suspicion towards him) to toss up an easy vote with minimal substance behind it and fuck off for a while.
One thing worries me though and that is this post:
On April 22 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Yamato is on a deadline. No content=LYNCH. Good luck yamato. What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started?
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Why yall gotta ignore my post.
On April 23 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 23 2013 07:15 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 23 2013 07:13 Palmar wrote: I could do oats.
also never forget that VE is superscum. False. why so shit then? Said the kettle. I'm inactive, but clearly trying. Look again. Someone mentioned it earlier but lurker VE is scum VE---since I had you as town read from beginning of game I was worried when you stopped posting. One particular thing that struck me as scummy about Oats (besides the inactivity and general uselessness of his posting) was the vote on Giygas....just looked like an easy way (since he showed minimal suspicion towards him) to toss up an easy vote with minimal substance behind it and fuck off for a while. One thing worries me though and that is this post: Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Yamato is on a deadline. No content=LYNCH. Good luck yamato. What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started?
I think I'm more likely to vote for Oats than yamato.
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On April 23 2013 09:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 08:48 Vivax wrote: WoS, what do you make of yamato's case against VE? Then,please explain how you see this post: Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:One thing worries me though and that is this post: On April 22 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Yamato is on a deadline. No content=LYNCH. Good luck yamato. What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started? Cause I read it as you trying to distance Oats from Yamato: Like you were trying to show that Oats made a half-assed push against yamato early in the game. Unless you have another explanation for you posting this bit (which you probably should start making up now, in case I guessed correctly). Could you please explain why you would vote for yamato? I literally made the post because I'm curious about whether a double bus makes sense (hint, it usually doesn't) and wanted thread input. Is that not obvious to you? I am aware both look scummy but I'm not sure of both being scum. Can I explain why I would vote for yamato? I'm not 100% sure I would, hence not having voted for either yet. I've seen this kind of play from him before and he's attempting to put in effort now that he's on the block. His case against VE objectively makes sense (VE isn't exactly trying) but conflicts with my townread on VE. It's not like yamato's case is really 'trying' either.
Vivax, your asking me how I see my own post is really weird. Like, what exactly are you looking for?
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Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of.
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On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan.
If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later.
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I didn't say VE is scum. I said an inactive VE is often scum. but I was thankful that he has started posting more because that probably means he's NOT scum and fits with my townread.
Don't put words in my mouth, Vivax.
On April 23 2013 09:11 Bill Murray wrote: I kind of disagree, WOS ^
I feel like his case is subjective, where it's largely meta based, and that's the reason I agree with it. I don't feel like he has much objectivity with it... in fact, he keeps saying he's going to be trying to catch the entire team, but I have only seen him tunneling, in general... sorry to overgeneralize
i'll try to be more specific... he's beating a dead horse Objective was the wrong word to use, yeah. What I meant was everything he says about VE makes sense considering his actions in the games I've played with him, but again there's something in VE's play that has been assuring me he's town...I'll call it a gutread.
If Oats flipped town? I'd honestly be tempted to destroy a lot of the lurk going on but they're probably getting replaced and I also know that's not great right now. As far as 'active' posters go ShiaoPi's attack on a town Sharrant doesn't look great to me. I don't have other strong scumreads atm and am going to have to go through and look if you want more than that.
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You're asking me questions that I've already mostly answered...this looks like you're prodding for the sake of prodding and that's why I'm hesitant because it seems like a waste of time especially when Oats has returned and maybe we can get something from him.
On April 23 2013 09:32 Vivax wrote: tl dr:
What are your reads? I have a bunch of townreads but you probably aren't interested in those. I believe Oats is scum atm but I'd like to hear a little bit more from him before voting. I will be looking into ShiaoPi eventually and another couple of people who I will not name right now as I don't want to derail anything further.
Do you think yamato is scum or not? It's not a yes or no question. I believe I made it perfectly clear that I am not sure as to yamato's alignment. His posting could very well make him scum but it doesn't feel right to me.
Why did you hesitate to say that you think they cannot both be scum, and instead poked for others to tell you that? You've said it yourself, by saying what I did I am guessing that both are not necessarily scum; I asked others for thoughts, I don't need anyone else to tell me that.
Does it seriously look to you like Oats could have been bussing yamato in that post? Yes.
Does it look like yamato is so interested into lynching Oats over VE or Ace or BC? Not right now, but it did before.
Why did a double bus concern you so much over the stuff about the two -connections aside- which already was in the thread? It doesn't 'concern me' necessarily, but at this point I want to be sure I'm voting for the right person before I commit so I want to consider the options.
All of these questions have essentially been previously answered by me; my thoughts haven't changed.
Oats what exactly is wrong with Giygas that you want him to die so much? Is there anything new about him since your vote? I believe he has posted a little since so there must be something.
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On April 23 2013 09:40 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point? Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours.
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On April 23 2013 09:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:You're asking me questions that I've already mostly answered...this looks like you're prodding for the sake of prodding and that's why I'm hesitant because it seems like a waste of time especially when Oats has returned and maybe we can get something from him. On April 23 2013 09:32 Vivax wrote: tl dr:
What are your reads? I have a bunch of townreads but you probably aren't interested in those. I believe Oats is scum atm but I'd like to hear a little bit more from him before voting. I will be looking into ShiaoPi eventually and another couple of people who I will not name right now as I don't want to derail anything further.
Do you think yamato is scum or not? It's not a yes or no question. I believe I made it perfectly clear that I am not sure as to yamato's alignment. His posting could very well make him scum but it doesn't feel right to me.
Why did you hesitate to say that you think they cannot both be scum, and instead poked for others to tell you that? You've said it yourself, by saying what I did I am guessing that both are not necessarily scum; I asked others for thoughts, I don't need anyone else to tell me that.
Does it seriously look to you like Oats could have been bussing yamato in that post? Yes.
Does it look like yamato is so interested into lynching Oats over VE or Ace or BC? Not right now, but it did before.
Why did a double bus concern you so much over the stuff about the two -connections aside- which already was in the thread? It doesn't 'concern me' necessarily, but at this point I want to be sure I'm voting for the right person before I commit so I want to consider the options.
All of these questions have essentially been previously answered by me; my thoughts haven't changed. Oats what exactly is wrong with Giygas that you want him to die so much? Is there anything new about him since your vote? I believe he has posted a little since so there must be something. never mind I changed my mind. HAMMER HAMMER NOW. This is your response? What possible town motivation is there for acting like this? ##Vote: Oatsmaster
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Geript, where you at? What's with the ninja yamato vote? Thoughts on Oats?
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On April 23 2013 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 09:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 23 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:You're asking me questions that I've already mostly answered...this looks like you're prodding for the sake of prodding and that's why I'm hesitant because it seems like a waste of time especially when Oats has returned and maybe we can get something from him. On April 23 2013 09:32 Vivax wrote: tl dr:
What are your reads? I have a bunch of townreads but you probably aren't interested in those. I believe Oats is scum atm but I'd like to hear a little bit more from him before voting. I will be looking into ShiaoPi eventually and another couple of people who I will not name right now as I don't want to derail anything further.
Do you think yamato is scum or not? It's not a yes or no question. I believe I made it perfectly clear that I am not sure as to yamato's alignment. His posting could very well make him scum but it doesn't feel right to me.
Why did you hesitate to say that you think they cannot both be scum, and instead poked for others to tell you that? You've said it yourself, by saying what I did I am guessing that both are not necessarily scum; I asked others for thoughts, I don't need anyone else to tell me that.
Does it seriously look to you like Oats could have been bussing yamato in that post? Yes.
Does it look like yamato is so interested into lynching Oats over VE or Ace or BC? Not right now, but it did before.
Why did a double bus concern you so much over the stuff about the two -connections aside- which already was in the thread? It doesn't 'concern me' necessarily, but at this point I want to be sure I'm voting for the right person before I commit so I want to consider the options.
All of these questions have essentially been previously answered by me; my thoughts haven't changed. Oats what exactly is wrong with Giygas that you want him to die so much? Is there anything new about him since your vote? I believe he has posted a little since so there must be something. never mind I changed my mind. HAMMER HAMMER NOW. This is your response? What possible town motivation is there for acting like this? ##Vote: Oatsmaster This is scummy because? I asked you a very specific question that should be decently easy to answer and you spam shit in the thread and then just scream at people to hammer Giygas when no one is even looking at him except for you, thereby avoiding my simple question entirely. If you were town you'd care more about either trying to clear your name to prevent a mislynch or at the very least give us solid reads and reasoning in case you do go down.
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On April 23 2013 10:00 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 09:40 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point? Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours. I dislike that Your saying I called you wishy washy, and you still didn't answer my question as to why you attacked my read on Ray and not my scum opinion and STILL didn't answer it. Your right that my opinion most likely won't get any traction, seeing as how my musings were completly ignored but I still wanted to put them out there and I wish you would have at least responded to what I asked you, instead of just giving me a crappy answer about why you don't answer. Raven, I'm begging you, let it GO. Focus on something more productive. You DID call me wishy washy. Stop saying 'I dislike,' that in itself is wishy washy. Sharrant is either playing a really REALLY damn good scum game, or he is extremely obviously town. The reason I attacked your read on Rayn and not Sharrant if because I'd be attacking your reads for the same reasons. You base them entirely on their interactions with you only, which is very shortsighted and honestly useless. You brought up omgus earlier in the thread? What you are doing is essentially it---it's bad. Don't focus on the people who focus on you, find scum.
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On April 23 2013 10:11 TheRavensName wrote: So is more scummy that Yamato stopped trolling when he was about to die, or that Oats is just not giving up on it and continuing to be useless? See, this post, I like. More of this.
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On April 23 2013 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 12:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why is there a case on Sharrant by some guy that randomly got into the thread.... Why not? Maybe instead of asking a question that has no answer you could comment on the case I made? I'll comment on it. I already forget who said it but it screams to me of reaching. I have a very strong townread on Sharrant right now and nothing you bring up in your case on him strikes me as scummy at all---how is providing 'easy outs' as you call them an anti-town thing to do? What is inherently scummy about the way he has presented himself? I will agree that his methodology isn't necessarily great but it certainly doesn't look scummy. For example in the first example you gave he provides Rayn with an out because they had already been arguing for fucking ages and shitting up the thread; it's entirely possible that he wants the argument to end as well and just wants to get a clear read, which certainly seems likely as he encourages Rayn to continue the discussion on another subject.
I don't see anything wrong with his asking questions of others; everybody in here does that and you're really reaching with his talking about how he has to go eat makes him look insecure. You say that he just asks shallow questions to look involved? He's been plenty involved and has had plenty opportunity as scum to just blend it or let something go and make it seem as though he has contributed.
Your case is bad and I urge you to look over something else if YOU want to make it seem like you're contributing.
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On April 23 2013 15:53 Bill Murray wrote: Cheesecake and WavesofShadow (WoS) have both parroted me
Cheesecake called Clarity's case tunnely/nitpicky... I literally used the word tunnely
WoS comes in and uses the word reaching... and lo and behold... after I said tunnely... I said reaching
Scum are piggybacking my wording to get a lynch imo lolwut. Just because I think Clarity's case is bad doesn't mean i think he's scum. And you think I'm scum now?
Just when I thought you were starting to make sense.
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On April 23 2013 18:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote: I wouldn't lynch him right now, no. Would want to hear from him first.
Don't have many full fledged opinions yet, but the people I was gonna look into next (that being tonight, have work soon) were gonna be giygas, bc and shiaopi (mainly because I don't remember much of them from reading through the thread) sup scum Yeah...I was hesitant to call you scum until this....the reason you didn't remember much of them is because they haven't done very much at all, basically. Why not give us something actually contextually relevant? Why go after irrelevant reads right now?
Fuck it I'm still hesitant, I'll still give you the benefit of the doubt. If you really think you can find something worthwhile on those 3, by all means, but you're taking the easy way out and it doesn't look good.
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On April 24 2013 04:42 Vivax wrote: Thx BC.
Palmar, is yamato still in your "who knows" category? He's next on the list of people who are up for lynch, so it'd be nice if you gave us an opinion with some color. I'm curious, who else is included on your list?
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On April 23 2013 23:56 Palmar wrote: BC's town meta is to be awful at day 1, then get lynched.
I'd like to not lynch him later.
VE is still scum. Palmar, do you consider BC's play so far to be awful?
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On April 24 2013 05:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 23:56 Palmar wrote: BC's town meta is to be awful at day 1, then get lynched.
I'd like to not lynch him later.
VE is still scum. Palmar, do you consider BC's play so far to be awful? yep, and I think he's crazy wanting to lynch yamato. You've mentioned you didn't want to lynch him D1; what would it take for you to actually find him scummy and lynch-worthy? Is it simply one of those cases where 'if he is alive past x days, he is scum?'
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Hey Sharrant, where you at bro? Any thoughts on yamato/Oats since you seem to have conveniently missed it entirely? Updated thoughts on Rayn/Shiao?
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On April 24 2013 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS why does it matter what Sharrant thinks about Oats? Because I'd like to hear his opinion on arguably the most important thing that has gone down in the thread thus far.
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On April 24 2013 06:38 Vivax wrote: Yeah, move on, I'm curious to see what you will deliver to Rayn's question. You'll feel my breath in your neck this game. Made me thing of this. Warning: kinda icky. + Show Spoiler +http://www.homeescapade.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/stoma-on-the-neck.jpg
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On April 24 2013 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 24 2013 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS why does it matter what Sharrant thinks about Oats? Because I'd like to hear his opinion on arguably the most important thing that has gone down in the thread thus far. It doesn't really matter what he says about Oats as he already knows the results and it's his genuine thoughts or WIFOM and you have no way of telling which is it. Nonetheless, I'd still like to hear it. Why do you feel the need to prevent me from scumhunting?
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To be fair, were I to come up with a specifically worded tell to show everyone that I am, in fact, town, I'd probably want to come with it on my own.
Oh, and I probably would have already used it.
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I have something small I'd like to write up for ShiaoPi but I was waiting for Daypost. I think BC is more likely to be scum than Clarity. Because I feel like specifically asking Sharrant those questions. I can ask whoever I want, whatever I want.
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On April 24 2013 13:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:My townread on Sharrant has weakened very much at this point. When i look at his posts i see several things where i can't understand how his thinking process works. I will point them out later on today, too tired atm. There are also a couple of things i totally do not understand, like why does he take TRN's comment about me (the lynchbait comment) at face value, when at that time TRN is his scumread. No questioning about it.. nothing. And how did it end up, i had never said so in the first plce, yet it's a reason to strengthen his scumread on me.. Another thing i find odd: Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Sharrant, where you at bro? Any thoughts on yamato/Oats since you seem to have conveniently missed it entirely? Updated thoughts on Rayn/Shiao? How the hell WoS can ask Sharrant's updated read on ShiaoPi? From what i can tell Sharrant has never said what he thinks about ShiaoPi, only scumreads he has given out are me/Hopeless. Wtf is this shit?
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On April 24 2013 23:11 Sharrant wrote:Okay, let's get this started with the most important part: Clarity should be lynched tomorrow, a few people have made cases on why, and they're quite right. He apparently spent 4 hours reading the thread and came up with not even half a case on me, and refused to comment on the lynch that was happening right in front of his eyes all the while flip flopping on the amount of time and effort he supposedly put in. He's obvious enough at this point that everyone should be on board with his lynch, I don't think there's more that needs to be said about him. Responses to cases and stuff: @ClarityThere's nothing in your case to respond to. You obviously just skimmed my filter and tried to pick out what you could skew to look mafia oriented, and you failed miserably at that. @Rayne+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:About Sharrant:First he makes a case on TRN. The case in itself is not bad if you have never seen how TRN plays. But there is this question: I call him out for this question which i find to be scummy. Sharrant's answer is: Show nested quote +The last part of your case is even weaker, I don't think it even needs to be touched upon. Sharrant later on calls me out for saying; "So you say TRN is actually not attempting to discern who in the thread are the mafia, but you still have a town read on him. Townies should scum hunt, yes?". This is correct, mainly because Sharrant and Vivax both attacked TRN early on in the game, after that TRN went defensive and answered their questions. Sharrant is even adding more fuel into the fire by asking TRN to point him to his games on TL. Why do you think it is TRN's (or anyone other than yours) job to guide you into his past games? And why do you call me out for poining out the fact (as i have witnessed it myself) that TRN is easy to sidetrack from what he is supposed to do -> find mafia?Next thing. Sharrant's case on me. His points against me are; BM-policy lynch discussion (understandable as i failed to explain myself clearly enough) and that i called him scummy for asking TRN to point him to his last games. Which i still think is scummy. Next i explain him my BM vote, he is pleased with my answer, at least that reads so to me. + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 08:40 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sharrant:What is your exact reasoning for voting for BM. Give me one paragraph, with your thought process. If it's policy, tell me it's policy and the exact policy. If you have other reasoning for it, please detail that reasoning to the best of your ability. I think there is no reason for a townie to claim miller for the reasons i explained before. If BM was not in fact claiming miller, he should have a damn good reason why he decided to post what he did, because posting (joking?) that as town does not make any sense. I see. I'll wait until Bill Murray is back in the thread before I say anything more about this then, if I feel the need to say anything more.Let's give ourselves another topic then. Pick a player who you would like to discuss with me, and I will read their filter while I cook and eat. I would suggest Mr. Cheesecake, but I would prefer it if you picked the candidate for discussion. In the same quote he asks me to pick a player to discuss. Why do you want me, your scumread to pick a player to discuss? If i thought you were scum i would be damn sure i wanted to pick the people we discuss (other scummy people).After that we discuss WoS and GiygaS. I also ask him about geript. I am the one asking all the questions. Note that Sharrant would have liked to discuss Mr.Cheesecake. If i am your scumread, why do you allow me to drive the discussion between us? Why do you not want to find out my scumbuddies when talking with me?Then Sharrant suddenly changes his scumread on TRN into null/leaning town. The reason is TRN saying i have told him i would use weak townies as town-credit-collectors by defending them. Sharrant takes this at face value. TRN was your scumread at that time, why didn't you take any action to figure out if he was telling the truth or not, as he wasn't?Then comes in his theory (based on what TRN said) about me trying to gain town-credit for TRN's lynch. The theory is ridiculous in the first place, if people can't see why idk what to say. He also makes a big post about it: + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 13:26 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what Sharrant.. Are you seriously saying that i'm trying to gain credit from town!TRN lynch on D1 as mafia? That's your conclusion? It was part of the thought process that got me to look at you in the first place. Obviously TRN is not getting lynched so there is no credit for you to gain from it anymore. It is even, apparently, something you told TRN that you would do as mafia (though you did not state you would do it specifically to him). Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:32 ShiaoPi wrote:On April 22 2013 12:24 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 12:07 ShiaoPi wrote:On April 22 2013 12:05 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 11:59 ShiaoPi wrote: Oh if you have paid close attention to TRN then what is your stance on him now? I am calling you scummy That he's fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and most likely town. What made you change your mind? This response is terribly lacking.... He realized that Rayn could be setting him up to give him town cred when he flipped. When Rayn stepped in to defend him I was sure TRN was either lynchbait, or one of Rayn's teammates. It seems more likely at this point he is lynchbait. TRN only had a small chance of actually being mafia, but a very good chance of attracting mafia attention either by virtue of A) being a weak player which they can use as town credit or to manipulate or B) was a weak mafia player who they could protect while looking like they're just trying to help out the new player. Rayn came in with a town read on him whose strength did not match what I had read in TRN's filter, so he was the person I was looking for. I find it interesting you see nothing at all to discuss between Rayn and Hopeless. At least more content than your last answer. If TRN only had a small chance of actually being mafia, why did you vote him? Isn't that fulfilling your own conclusion that you are mafia, by virtue of going after the lynchbait? What the fuck dude? Now what do you make of all the others who also defended TRN? All team mafia?? What do you say about Ace and others who also had a townread (or at least null) on TRN? You seem to be misinterpreting my definition of small chance. Small chance of being mafia still meant a greater chance than anyone elses actions in the thread. At that point I figured he probably had about a 40 percent chance of being mafia, if I were to assign a value to it. A small chance, but still greater than I felt anyone else had. So I went after him because he was the strongest scum read I had. When Rayn made these two posts: Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 05:48 ObviousOne wrote: One more filter then I'm going to go level my Priest some more.
Oh. My. God. Tube is in this game. LOL. HI TUBE! (we played in a newbie together, my first game! He hasn't posted anything so skipping for now.)
Raynpelikoneet, sorry to pick on you again for like the third straight game in a row together. You want to lynch the "claimed miller" Bill Murray, you have made your stance on lynching millers abundantly clear, but I don't see anything that looks like it's developing into an actual scum read. Why are you leaning so heavily on your policy lynch when there are mafia to be lynched? Also, assume BM isn't here for a moment, who do you lynch? I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy.
About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 06:43 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 05:48 ObviousOne wrote: One more filter then I'm going to go level my Priest some more.
Oh. My. God. Tube is in this game. LOL. HI TUBE! (we played in a newbie together, my first game! He hasn't posted anything so skipping for now.)
Raynpelikoneet, sorry to pick on you again for like the third straight game in a row together. You want to lynch the "claimed miller" Bill Murray, you have made your stance on lynching millers abundantly clear, but I don't see anything that looks like it's developing into an actual scum read. Why are you leaning so heavily on your policy lynch when there are mafia to be lynched? Also, assume BM isn't here for a moment, who do you lynch? I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy.
About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. Where does TRN try to figure out things? Tbh I kinda have you both as scummy along a few others, so your defense of TRN strikes me especially. I don't really see anything that could give me a reason to think he's town, but if you're so kind, could you point it out? Particularly this post of his: + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:09 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote:On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean. Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game? I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me. He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes? I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns..... And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something. I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day. P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation. The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts? /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia. I meant he is trying to find out how to play @ the game start, what to look for and what to call people out for. If you read his exchange with yourself, you should easily figure out he has no clue how to act in the beginning of the game. This does not make him 100% town but i doubt he would be openly expressing his thought about that matter if he was mafia, i think he would be far more cautious about what he says. What makes me scummy in your eyes? That was a lot more effort than anyone took to explain TRN. Everyone that commented on him, or I asked to comment on him, just stated they thought he was a noob town, but generally people had to be prodded into action. Rayn came in attacking me with a very weak case because of my case on TRN. At this point, I am very happy because I am sure I have at least one mafia in these 2 players. I am sure after that attack and defense that Rayn is mafia either defending a mafia to deflect a bandwagon before it can start, or defending someone he sees will be lynched later and thus he would be able to go "Hey look, I knew he was town allt he way back then and I defended him!" regardless of whether he was lynched today, or tomorrow, or a week from now. At this point I am 100% sure of Rayn, and 50/50 on TRN. When TRN came in and said that he had a town read on Rayn despite the inconsistincies myself and others had pointed out, I had TRN down as very likely to be scum. But when he later mentioned how Rayn had told him that he planned to do this exact same thing as scum before, and subsequently moved him to a null read, that was when I was pretty sure that TRN was town. At this point I am less sure about Rayn being scum than I was then, because his conversations with other players has generally been good since that time, but he's still in my top 3 to lynch. I just haven't decided if there's someone I'd rather lynch more, like say Hopeless. Any more questions? At the end of that post he also says his scumread on me has weakened. After that i vote for Sharrant. This is his answer to the case: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2013 00:02 Sharrant wrote: It's a good try, Rayne, but no.
Let's get this out of the way quickly because I have to leave, and there's more important things to do when I'm back.
The reason I looked into you is because of your chainsaw defense of TRN. That fit exactly what I was looking for, so I went through your filter.
I am not trying to lynch you on the merit of you defending TRN, get that through your head. I am going to get you lynched because you are scum. You claim that after posting several times about how miller claims should be a policy lynch, you say that it's not a policy lynch you're pushing on BM. The closest you come to make to a case is "This isn't a miller lynch policy, I'm lynching him because he claimed miller which is scummy" which is exactly the same as saying "No, this isn't a lurker lynch, I'm just lynching because his low activity is scummy". It's just attempting to disguise that you were trying to policy lynch him.
The post I voted for you details exactly why I have you as a scum read. The possibility that you were a townie who made some crazy defense on TRN went out the window when I read through your filter.
If you can't understand that, I can't help you. Now, suddenly i am 100% scum again. But no more is my town-credit-gaining a reason why i am scum. It's all back to the point that i "disguised my policy lynch vote on BM into something else". But he was already okay with my answer. Hell, he does not even answer anything to my case. Why did you make a big post about the theory of me trying to gain credit from defending town!TRN, if it isn't even part of the case against me, what's the point? TLDR;1) Why did you not answer me clearly when i asked you why should TRN point you to his past games? And he never did, why didn't you follow it up in any way, if you think that was scummy from him? 2) Why did you say you were pleased with my answer on the BM matter and later on said your whole case against me is based on that? 3) Why did you not want to find out who my "scumbuddies" are when we were discussing people, and why did you let me drive the discussion? 4) Why did you take TRN's words about my "scum strategy" at face value as at that time he was your scumread? 5) Why did you even discuss your theory about me trying to gain credit from TRN when it had apparently nothing to do with your scumread on me and was based on false premises in the first place which you were too lazy to check out and which came from you scumread? And for the record this is basically everything Sharrant has done this game besides one post where he answers Vivax about Hopeless and couple of posts questioning people with no follow ups at all. I don't see how this is anything near townie behaviour. 1. It's laughable that yous till think that asking for games is a scum tell, but run with it if it makes you happy. He did point me to his games, just not linked them. Not as helpful as I would have hoped he would have been, but he didn't mention any games off site which was the concern. 2. I never stated I was pleased with your answer. I asked you to restate so everyone would see that your answers still did not match up with what you had said earlier in the thread. Pushing that singular point any more would just make the thread more of a mess than it was starting to be, and the whole point would get lost and thus once I had you restate it again clearly there was no more value to be gained from going after you on that point at that time. So instead, I wanted to move you onto topics that would be helpful regardless of whether I was wrong or right about your alignment. 3. The choice of who to talk about is as telling as the choice of who not to talk about, I'll learn more about your alignment from you picking who you want to discuss then I will from giving you the topics I want you to discuss. It tells you too much about how I already lean on those topics, and having you drive the discussion lets me get a better feel for you. 4. I'm really surprised you don't get this part. Lots of newer scum buddy people, especially people that defend them. Here he shows that he's suspicious of the fact that you defended him, regardless of whether the fact he stated was misremembered (apparently someone else in that game had said it) he showed that his thought process went "Hey! This guy has taken up a shield for me" -> "Wait, why did he do that?" When as a new scum scared to be in his first big game would have been more hesitant to put any tarnish on his knight's armour. 5. You're mixing up your time periods so bad that this question is just a jumble of words. Your staunch defense of him got me to check out your filter. His subsequent "Hey, why are you defending me?" moment made him more than likely town. @WaveofShadowsShow nested quote +On April 24 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Sharrant, where you at bro? Any thoughts on yamato/Oats since you seem to have conveniently missed it entirely? Updated thoughts on Rayn/Shiao? I think Oats was a good lynch because of how useless he was being, it's a shame he turned out to be town, but at least he was a non-self aware miller. That said, I think there were better lynches for that day, Clarity and Rayne being two I think would have been better lynches. Yamato is almost definitely town, everything about his posts on the second half of day one scream town yamato in a way I don't think he knows how to replicate as scum. Last time I played with him when he was scum I caught him (but was not able to get him lynched before I was killed) because of how glaring the difference is between him being the townie, headstrong Yamato and him trying to emulate the townie headstrong Yamato. I hope that satisfies your curiousity. If there was one or two things in particular that lead you to have such a strong town read on me, what would they be? I'm going to be around for a while doing some filter diving in, so I'm available for questions. It is very likely that I will be unavailable for Thursday, and possibly some or all of Friday (excepting phone posting which I hate hate hate doing). There will be 0 posts from me between midnight tonight, and Thursday night. For starters just the fact that you cared enough to respond to my buried, 'inane' line of questioning that Rayn and TRN seem to hate so much further cements my townread on you. Also wtf I don't think I read the flip, just looked at the colour---he WAS a fucking miller. I agree with your thoughts on Oats and feel a little better about being wrong. Yes you've definitely satisfied my curiousity. Now you mention a Clarity lynch...I agree that his entry into the thread was very scummy-looking but he just doesn't feel like a good lynch to me for reasons that I can't remember right now. I have a bunch of re-reading to do and an eventual case to post...when is frigging Daypost?
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Let's chat about how useless kush and Sylencia's posts are. Like...why even post?
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On April 25 2013 01:43 ObviousOne wrote: Syl is not a project for D2 IMO. Grush did starsenses so he is town. But he didn't post starsenses in green font.... I'm going to be looking into a lot of the lurk for D2 personally so I think that would include Syl for me. Shiao looks like he'll be prime candidate for D2 though. I've been beaten to the punch on a case though, so I'll add to it later on.
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On April 25 2013 01:48 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:44 Sharrant wrote:On April 25 2013 01:43 ObviousOne wrote: Syl is not a project for D2 IMO. Grush did starsenses so he is town. Has he played in a game as mafia since he started doing the starsenses thing? Oh shit he didn't green it as mentioned in the next post. Fuck. Now I dont know. Yes he has but IDR if he said it without green in that game. I'll see if I can find the reference from LX in my inbox in a conversation with Marv I was half-kidding with that...either way I know better than to bother looking into Grush. If people suspect him let them vig him, otherwise if it comes down to the wire we're fucked with him being one of the last up anyway just like in LX.
OO, I like your points on CC and Shiao, (I'm still not sure of VE) but why do you think Giygas is scum? The person who threw suspicion on him was Oats, and despite him being town it was for basically no reason. I will admit his filter has been extremely lacking thus far and I certainly don't have a townread on him. Do you have anything else to back it up?
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My fucking blackberry just bricked so now I'm frantically trying to fix it before heading out to a party. Will be back much later tonight, sorry Sharrant. I think I'm null on Kush? Can't remember I have to go.
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Exams done I fixed my phone ITS TIME TO POST AND KILL SOME FUCKIN MAFIA
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Wow I actually fucking passsssed out at my desk Im drunked then I thought. Finishing the read now, VEis the suspect now/ What happaneed to Shiaopi and Sylenciua?
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Alright ladies I remember reading through earlier and thinking 'it's fucking obvious Vivax masined a scum' who did he mason N1?
Oh fuck nvm now I remember BH posted it doesnt start till the day? it's all coming back. Ok. Drinking lots of water B\M Imf ine.
I'm not voting for VE rihgt now I need lots more evidence than that 'cause like many others I jsut can't get a fucking handle on him. I'm still up for Shiaopi or Sylencia, not 100% sure on CLarity; something he psoted seemed really town-motivated so I'd ideally want to look elsewhere. The hammer is honestly the worst thing I think shiaopi has going for him (amongst other things) I remember when I hammered in Ego at least I had dropped some suspicion onto Axle at some poitn during the day and discussed it somewhat; why the fuck as town would you hammer blindly like that>
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On April 25 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote: Oh, that's right, it was Shiao who dropped that hammer.
WOW, I forgot all about that bullshit.
I could lynch him just for that.
On April 25 2013 11:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright ladies I remember reading through earlier and thinking 'it's fucking obvious Vivax masined a scum' who did he mason N1?
Oh fuck nvm now I remember BH posted it doesnt start till the day? it's all coming back. Ok. Drinking lots of water B\M Imf ine.
I'm not voting for VE rihgt now I need lots more evidence than that 'cause like many others I jsut can't get a fucking handle on him. I'm still up for Shiaopi or Sylencia, not 100% sure on CLarity; something he psoted seemed really town-motivated so I'd ideally want to look elsewhere. The hammer is honestly the worst thing I think shiaopi has going for him (amongst other things) I remember when I hammered in Ego at least I had dropped some suspicion onto Axle at some poitn during the day and discussed it somewhat; why the fuck as town would you hammer blindly like that> Lol even drunk I made a little sense. Reading for real now.
Also I may or may not have loled at the reason you don't want to call me scum geript.
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Oh and I know it's not much regarding VE but when I saw you mention it I figured I'd bring it up since I noticed it a while ago...
On April 25 2013 14:00 getmoript wrote:The problem with VE is that he hasn't gotten pissed off at Palmar at all. Ace thinks that Palmar is just doing this for the lulz and that's VE's assumption as well: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar intentionally trying to infuriate me and get me to shit up the thread.
##Vote: Palmar
EZPZ But VE isn't getting mad. Not whatsoever. He's not responding like he's pissed at all. There are no misspellings in what he's typed. The furthest he's gone is to tell me to fuck off. I'm interested to see how he returns, but how VE's responded reminds me more of how he responded to me in PYP. Plus BM is right, there's not the "intention to kill" in his posts that's there as town. Before getting to reread I felt stronger about lynching Shiao, but right now I much prefer VE.
On April 22 2013 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Defend against what? Why can't he have a townread on Palmar and know he's not going to be active as town and sheep a townread? I'm going to be in Vegas for 4 days next weekend and I'll be playing in a similar fashion (if I live that long) and I'm town, that seems feasible enough. Has he said he's not going to be active?
He's here now and you're not asking him anything. You're whole reasoning is bullshit.
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On April 26 2013 09:54 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: What's your read of Palmar and why geript? Town. I see no reason to question the roleblock/jail. If he was roleblocked by town, then odds are he was the second NK. If he was roleblocked by scum, then he's almost certainly town. Or he lied about the RB entirely. Also hai guise my activity has been pretty abysmal, but finishing 8 finals in 13 days will do that (along with a kickass afterparty). I'm ready to devote what time I've got to the game now; I am more likely to be active in the evenings but I will check up sporadically during the days.
Up until tube flipped I was pretty damn sure of ShiaoPi being scum, but that one post of his requesting we kill him is making me question it. It's also possible they knew he was getting modkilled I suppose---easy towncred there---but ShiaoPi hasn't cared about much this game; I'm not sure how likely it is that he'd be looking for easy towncred. The case on Palmar looks really good to me right now, though I'm still leaning on lynching ShiaoPi over him. I don't want to lynch VE (still town to me) or Clarity. Is there anyone else under scrutiny I should comment on in basic form?
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Oh I just thought of something else regarding the dual RB claims. In The Game the scum RB the 1st night was hidden and geript used it against me the entire game (to decent effect? It was mostly geript himself bringing it up constantly but it kept others guessing). It's entirely possible they stacked it on Vivax or didn't use it at all to avoid it being 'outed' later on in the game when they actually need/want to use it.
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On April 26 2013 11:45 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 26 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well what do you think then BM calling Tube town for "wanting to get rid of inactives like Drazak" then? BM is ever a mystery to me. I'll have to look into his filter to answer this sufficiently. Being wrong doesn't mean that he's scum...and Palmar wasn't "wrong" about tube, he said "I find inactivity exceptionally scummy in this setup" and proceeded to ignore an inactive. That IS scummy. im not sure tube is town 100% it was a specific question about him... i wouldnt EVER bring up tube... hes mainly null from me... havent seen much out of him This is so stupid. Can't tell if didn't read the last 10 pages at all or trying to pretend he didn't read last 10 pages at all. Either way looks awful.
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Posting from phone: like your analysis of kush, BM. This is one of those things to me that seems to be only one of two possibilities: BM is either extremely right about this, or this is one of those massive fabricated cases by scum in order to achieve a mislynch (like the one kita attempted on me in The Game before I claimed).
I'm not going to be around until later but ill check up every so often. Still unsure as to where to throw my vote right now, there are a lot of scumspects flying around and many of them don't coincide with my reads necessarily. If things continue as they are I will probably vote Shiao (despite what Sharrant says---still believe Sharrant is town but don't always agree with his analysis) but I don't want to contribute to a lynch I won't necessarily be around for as I'd like to contribute more to discussion.
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I already did; easy towncred since they knew he was getting modkilled. Gonna wait to hear what else he has to say right now though since he's apparently catching up.
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On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm null on Clarity...there's just too many other more scummy people to me. This. I think I have a little time now so I'll re-look into him and I want to look at Giygas as well; I know one thing many people have mentioned in post-game analyses recently that people don't look into dead people enough and Oats did want to lynch Giygas real early. I remember his reasoning being dumb or non_existent but worth looking at I guess.
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On April 27 2013 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm null on Clarity...there's just too many other more scummy people to me. This. I think I have a little time now so I'll re-look into him and I want to look at Giygas as well; I know one thing many people have mentioned in post-game analyses recently that people don't look into dead people enough and Oats did want to lynch Giygas real early. I remember his reasoning being dumb or non_existent but worth looking at I guess. Well when people say "dead people" I'm assuming they mean "dead people who mafia killed" because that's actual information you can use to find mafia. Looking into dead Oats' posts isn't going to help you find scum because we lynched him. On the one hand I see your point, but also remember mafia were completely content with us lynching Oats and quite possibly had a hand in it, which essentially amounts to almost the same thing. VE what are you thoughts on CC?
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Alright I read through Clarity; I have to ask, is he a new player or has he been around a while? His play of 'posting something so I get something in before the hammer' seems like the kind of thing I did when I was knew; self preservation when none was necessary at all, and I was called scum for it multiple times when in fact I was town.
Like...his posting is awful and after having been around a little while I see exactly why now:
On April 24 2013 00:09 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 23:49 Vivax wrote:On April 23 2013 11:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 11:34 Bill Murray wrote:On April 23 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I am here now and catching up, did not expect this game to start so soon, sorry. one hour later has read the entire game and made a case on sharrant? his case is really tunnely, and reaching, as well FoS Clarity Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though. I find this quote interesting. Clarity apparently was afraid of not posting anything before the hammer fell, and here he is admitting that his case on Sharrant was something done in haste, and to "show his face", not cause he found the reasons good enough to post them so quickly. Hi Vivax. When you say interesting, what do you mean? Because pointing out something as interesting and seeing if anyone else jumps on it is interesting. Erm, yes I wanted to get a couple of posts in before day 1 ended, and I didn't just want it to be "I'm here guys", I do possess some self preservation. I figured if I showed my face maybe people would hold off on hammering and give me a chance to catch up. Turns out palmar wasn't even close to hammering but w/e, I wasn't sure. And I did find reasons, maybe the case isn't well worded or convincing but it is in essence why I believe he's scum. Just weak as hell case which I called him out on to start and he admits at the same time he did it 'self-preserve' but also to prevent people from hammering? Just seems so fishy but knowing my own play I can't necessarily call it scummy per se.
On April 23 2013 16:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 12:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why is there a case on Sharrant by some guy that randomly got into the thread.... Why not? Maybe instead of asking a question that has no answer you could comment on the case I made? I'll comment on it. I already forget who said it but it screams to me of reaching. I have a very strong townread on Sharrant right now and nothing you bring up in your case on him strikes me as scummy at all---how is providing 'easy outs' as you call them an anti-town thing to do? What is inherently scummy about the way he has presented himself? I will agree that his methodology isn't necessarily great but it certainly doesn't look scummy. For example in the first example you gave he provides Rayn with an out because they had already been arguing for fucking ages and shitting up the thread; it's entirely possible that he wants the argument to end as well and just wants to get a clear read, which certainly seems likely as he encourages Rayn to continue the discussion on another subject. I don't see anything wrong with his asking questions of others; everybody in here does that and you're really reaching with his talking about how he has to go eat makes him look insecure. You say that he just asks shallow questions to look involved? He's been plenty involved and has had plenty opportunity as scum to just blend it or let something go and make it seem as though he has contributed. Your case is bad and I urge you to look over something else if YOU want to make it seem like you're contributing. Providing easy outs isn't anti-town so much as it is pro-scum. It's very easy to say "do this or I'll lynch you!!!!" because your target will do what you ask. This is fine if you are asking for something that may result in anything but when you ask a question with only one possible answer regardless of your targets alignment then it is just a waste of space. If you are town and you are scumhunting you do NOT want to give whoever you're pressuring the "how-to-get-rid-of-me guide" Asking questions is fine, it generates discussion even when you do it as scum, but when there is no clear motivation NOR follow-up behind the questions then I begin to wonder why the question was asked at all, and I can only see it as feigning to contribute which is obviously a scum trait. Although I don't agree with defending a townread day 1 at all unless they are at risk of being lynched (which he is clearly not) you do make a valid point concerning the first post I addressed. I still believe I am on to something but I can see with the current thread sentiment and the fact that I am in no strong position (showing up way late >.<) that this lynch isn't happening. A weak case is still a case and it could have sparked some discussion that's not centered around oats and yamato which are as far as I'm concerned both policy lynches at best. He calls this rebuttal to his case a hard defense of Sharrant later on (which it may well have been) but aren't hard defenses in general seen as a little bit scummy? Why just accept it not call me out on it? Why back down so feebly in the end if he believes in it so strongly? It just screams to me of my play in like the first couple games I ever played where anyone could make me back down from my own cases and I was completely unsure of myself.
Again, objectively his posting looks awful and somewhat scummy, but knowing the kind of stuff other people called me out for in the past when I was town I just don't know if I can see it as such. Including the stuff BM thinks Clarity is flat-out lying about. The post where he says "I don't care" seems more out of frustration than anything else....ugh.
I REALLY want to hear more from him and don't like the idea of a Clarity lynch....yet.
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EBWOP: the kind of thing I did when I was NEW, not knew.
Also I referred to my rebuttal of his case; the last quote linked above is his response to that rebuttal if it wasn't clear.
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What is it people find scummy about Giygas again? That he's opportunistic or something? I dunno once again I don't think I have enough to go on here...in fact probably even less than Clarity because many of Giygas's reads and thoughts coincide somewhat with mine. He said he was going to look into me though so I'm interested to hear what he comes up with. Also looking through his filter I saw CC's massive reads list post.
CC still think I'm scum, breh? If so, why? Hell, if not, why?
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Sorry for the million posts; I'm going out for a bit so there's plenty for people to read into me here and respond to I hope, but before I go: ##Vote: ShiaoPi I doubt in the few hours I'm gone anyone is getting lynched and I don't personally see any better candidates for today, especially considering the idea that it's better to start lynching into vets tomorrow.
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Uh, so stutters, I appreciate a ninjavote on my scumread as much as the next person, but for a guy who professes to find someone scummy for not interacting with their scumread, you're certainly looking mighty hypocritical right now.
What's up, guy?
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Ace you make an interesting point but I just don't feel good about a Clarity lynch. How many of those 6 matching voters would you say are scum, and what would it mean if Shiao does turn out to be scum?
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You guys are heading into preflip assumption territory and its not good.
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On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote: You guys are heading into preflip assumption territory and its not good. Yeah, they're being bad. Ignore it. Well to be fair I didn't exactly agree with your tunneling of VE. Who is your lynch of choice atm? Clarity/Shiao or someone else and why?
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On April 27 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote: You guys are heading into preflip assumption territory and its not good. Yeah, they're being bad. Ignore it. You know you're accusing BC of shitting all over town atmosphere yamato. JUST SAYIN. I'm no longer accusing BC of anything. I'm just saying, this voting analysis of wagons is inconclusive at best. Mafia vote for mafia, town vote for town, and his list of "confirmed" players may not even be accurate, lol. Ugh this is like exactly the problem I have with the approach as well. :/ And this is why I asked Ace my question earlier. I want to find out what he thinks it means specifically, otherwise it just looks like a derailing attempt.
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On April 27 2013 07:18 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Ace you make an interesting point but I just don't feel good about a Clarity lynch. How many of those 6 matching voters would you say are scum, and what would it mean if Shiao does turn out to be scum? *nods at the conclusion BC has drawn WoS I honestly don't know yet. I've got a few players I'm leaning Scum on but I won't say because I'm not 100% sure and it doesn't make sense to start more wagons and finger pointing. Lets solve one thing at a time. if Shiao does turn out to be Scum AND clarity doesn't then the matching voters look real townish and I'm just wrong. Why does a clarity lynch feel uneasy to you? For reasons I explained here:
On April 27 2013 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:Alright I read through Clarity; I have to ask, is he a new player or has he been around a while? His play of 'posting something so I get something in before the hammer' seems like the kind of thing I did when I was knew; self preservation when none was necessary at all, and I was called scum for it multiple times when in fact I was town. Like...his posting is awful and after having been around a little while I see exactly why now: Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 23:49 Vivax wrote:On April 23 2013 11:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 11:34 Bill Murray wrote:On April 23 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I am here now and catching up, did not expect this game to start so soon, sorry. one hour later has read the entire game and made a case on sharrant? his case is really tunnely, and reaching, as well FoS Clarity Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though. I find this quote interesting. Clarity apparently was afraid of not posting anything before the hammer fell, and here he is admitting that his case on Sharrant was something done in haste, and to "show his face", not cause he found the reasons good enough to post them so quickly. Hi Vivax. When you say interesting, what do you mean? Because pointing out something as interesting and seeing if anyone else jumps on it is interesting. Erm, yes I wanted to get a couple of posts in before day 1 ended, and I didn't just want it to be "I'm here guys", I do possess some self preservation. I figured if I showed my face maybe people would hold off on hammering and give me a chance to catch up. Turns out palmar wasn't even close to hammering but w/e, I wasn't sure. And I did find reasons, maybe the case isn't well worded or convincing but it is in essence why I believe he's scum. Just weak as hell case which I called him out on to start and he admits at the same time he did it 'self-preserve' but also to prevent people from hammering? Just seems so fishy but knowing my own play I can't necessarily call it scummy per se. Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:02 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 12:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why is there a case on Sharrant by some guy that randomly got into the thread.... Why not? Maybe instead of asking a question that has no answer you could comment on the case I made? I'll comment on it. I already forget who said it but it screams to me of reaching. I have a very strong townread on Sharrant right now and nothing you bring up in your case on him strikes me as scummy at all---how is providing 'easy outs' as you call them an anti-town thing to do? What is inherently scummy about the way he has presented himself? I will agree that his methodology isn't necessarily great but it certainly doesn't look scummy. For example in the first example you gave he provides Rayn with an out because they had already been arguing for fucking ages and shitting up the thread; it's entirely possible that he wants the argument to end as well and just wants to get a clear read, which certainly seems likely as he encourages Rayn to continue the discussion on another subject. I don't see anything wrong with his asking questions of others; everybody in here does that and you're really reaching with his talking about how he has to go eat makes him look insecure. You say that he just asks shallow questions to look involved? He's been plenty involved and has had plenty opportunity as scum to just blend it or let something go and make it seem as though he has contributed. Your case is bad and I urge you to look over something else if YOU want to make it seem like you're contributing. Providing easy outs isn't anti-town so much as it is pro-scum. It's very easy to say "do this or I'll lynch you!!!!" because your target will do what you ask. This is fine if you are asking for something that may result in anything but when you ask a question with only one possible answer regardless of your targets alignment then it is just a waste of space. If you are town and you are scumhunting you do NOT want to give whoever you're pressuring the "how-to-get-rid-of-me guide" Asking questions is fine, it generates discussion even when you do it as scum, but when there is no clear motivation NOR follow-up behind the questions then I begin to wonder why the question was asked at all, and I can only see it as feigning to contribute which is obviously a scum trait. Although I don't agree with defending a townread day 1 at all unless they are at risk of being lynched (which he is clearly not) you do make a valid point concerning the first post I addressed. I still believe I am on to something but I can see with the current thread sentiment and the fact that I am in no strong position (showing up way late >.<) that this lynch isn't happening. A weak case is still a case and it could have sparked some discussion that's not centered around oats and yamato which are as far as I'm concerned both policy lynches at best. He calls this rebuttal to his case a hard defense of Sharrant later on (which it may well have been) but aren't hard defenses in general seen as a little bit scummy? Why just accept it not call me out on it? Why back down so feebly in the end if he believes in it so strongly? It just screams to me of my play in like the first couple games I ever played where anyone could make me back down from my own cases and I was completely unsure of myself. Again, objectively his posting looks awful and somewhat scummy, but knowing the kind of stuff other people called me out for in the past when I was town I just don't know if I can see it as such. Including the stuff BM thinks Clarity is flat-out lying about. The post where he says "I don't care" seems more out of frustration than anything else....ugh. I REALLY want to hear more from him and don't like the idea of a Clarity lynch....yet.
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lulz@BM I agree that it's entirely possible Shiao is bad town, but Clarity does not look worse to me. But if I were to switch over to Clarity for any reason (I don't want to right now) I'd definitely have to hear from him first. The fact that Shiao came back and his response to being under the gun makes him kinda look worse than a guy who has fucked off after being active in this thread once says something to me.
I am in no hurry to end this day, btw; VE I am fine with the people who haven't voted holding off for now as long as they make their intentions clear.
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On April 27 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: My question remains. Why does ShiaoPi think Palmar is supertown and VE is scum when his reasons for VE being scum point at least as much, if not even more, to Palmar being scum. Lazy town could very well answer that question, which is think the best overall countercase to Shiao's scumminess thus far, but it's not enough to convince me. Would be nice to hear more from Shiao himself or again, Clarity.
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If I were a lazy/clueless townie, I don't think I would have come in with the hammer, btw. If you're clueless or lazy how can you be so confident as to drop the hammer if you have no idea what's been going on? That's not lazy or clueless, it's reckless/scummy/bad.
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Be back later this evening. Do NOT hammer in any nails(scum) while I gone.
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Horseshit. I've been around as much as I can be today. Ace if you want me to switch over to Clarity can you alleviate my fears that its a mislynch? You didn't address my reasoning post for why I don't feel good about it.
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+ Show Spoiler +I know we're not supposed to talk about this but it affects the game quite a bit... If a modkill occurs, will it happen at a specific point during the Day/Night or will you just dole it out when you see fit, BH? (There may be no point in voting Clarity at all... >.<)
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On April 27 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote: Honestly, I don't like a Clarity lynch just because he has been gone for so long.
I feel like if he were this AFK, a scumteam would just bus him for the cred. After mentioning that Shiao may have already done that, they may be wary of that. Too much WIFOM to be sure.
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On April 27 2013 13:32 yamato77 wrote:Well, it's your birthday, apparently. I can't lynch a guy on his birthday. Korean birthday. Have at him.
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Uh.....I just looked at the vote count...wouldn't 12 people be a majority for 22 people? 11 is only 50%....
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Haha knew this was coming. You're welcome to vig me if it will clear up your suspicions; it appears I've been wrong a lot of this game. Just make sure you vig me and don't waste the lynch I suppose.
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On April 28 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha knew this was coming. You're welcome to vig me if it will clear up your suspicions; it appears I've been wrong a lot of this game. Just make sure you vig me and don't waste the lynch I suppose. Oh and don't bother not vigging and trying to DT check me because I'm self-aware miller. You guys need to decide if you don't trust me and want me gone or not.
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On April 28 2013 06:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha knew this was coming. You're welcome to vig me if it will clear up your suspicions; it appears I've been wrong a lot of this game. Just make sure you vig me and don't waste the lynch I suppose. Oh and don't bother not vigging and trying to DT check me because I'm self-aware miller. You guys need to decide if you don't trust me and want me gone or not. lol self-aware millers should play ridiculously pro-town, you haven't. Do you hate winning? You're one to talk.
Again, up to you guys what you decide. Not afraid to die if it'll help you guys out and I'll do as much discussion during the night as I can if I'll be who you're gunning for. Remember though that if you decide not to vig me two things: My town meta has me always roleclaiming when I feel I am in actual danger of death, and I NEVER lie.
Now, let's assume I'm dead regardless of what else happens tonight. Who will the lynch target be for tomorrow? You wat lynch into the people who suspected Shiao? Are you sure he's not scum anyway?
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Yeah Sharrant I was trying to mention miller as much as possible without getting involved in the discussion to see if anyone would pick up on it, but I've never been able to crumb properly so lol.
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I'm heading out for the evening but I'll be back for late-nite discussions and whatnot. I'm not mafia. Vig me if you're confused and want to clear things up between a bunch of other suspects but don't for a second assume I'm one of three left and you're set.
I'm curious to see where BM thinks I slipped and/or lied; and Ill respond to any questions people may have of me when I return later. I'll also have to have look and give some updated reads when I get the chance.
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On April 28 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Lies lies lies. Show nested quote +My town meta has me always roleclaiming when I feel I am in actual danger of death, and I NEVER lie. You did not claim in Ego despite being L-1. I wouldn't call that "not in danger of dying". Just vig this guy. That's because in Ego I already claimed right at the beginning of the game, remember the fight over whether what I said was a 'real' claim or not? I NEVER LIE.
Also I back hai guise. BM you are a tunnely tunnely guy and yet somehow manage to sound crazy and frantic all at the same time. Are you trying to kill me because you think I'm scum or because you know I'm miller? I'm curious as to which one. BC, you too. Personally I'm wondering which of the veteran scum players are looking at this as a gift for them, forcing town to waste a vig shot, which will become obvious once I die. I'm not saying that it isn't necessarily the call to make, but considering how hard it's being pushed by certain people? I dunno. Just think critically guys; I'm going to try to make a potentially dumb rolelclaim into something useful.
Finishing reading the thread, a couple more pages to go; just wantd to reply to that.
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On April 28 2013 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah we do disagree. Also in Ego when WoS was under heavy suspicion (nearly lynched) he came up with reads on people, not self-defence. It's the start of the night phase. Who is to say he cannot change what people think or might think about him? He is defending himself before he even needs to be defended (which would be at the end of the night). He is prematurely defending himself, i want him to tell us why. Another fact is that millers should never claim, ever, in this setup. BC explained it on D1. Third fact is that nobody wants WoS copped, people want him vigged. There is no reason for him to claim miller if he is town. Rayn do you realize how scummy you sound? Not are you so absolutely sure you caught me in a lie (you didn't) but now you're screaming at people to shoot me with all your might and that no matter what I say nobody should listen or I might change their minds. You also say that if I was town I'd be trying to help town and come up with reads.
How am I supposed to come up with reads for people if you're pre-emptively telling them not to listen to me? If I flip they're going to find out that everything I've been saying is true anyway! Scummy as all fuck, dude.
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Alright enough with the accusations of people accusing me. I've already said I'm fine with being shot; in fact I prefer it to being lynched if you guys decide I have to die. What I am NOT fine with is the attitude of assumption that people have come to this night with. People are already assuming there is absolutely no town motivation for what I've done and are making pre-association cases. This is absolutely retarded. Use your BRAINS.
I suppose I could've waited for the miller claim until I was absolutely sure that I was going to be the lynch target for the next day but I'd rather not have a mislynch than a wasted vig shot; especially since I don't know who top det check targets are for the evening. With all the suspicion towards the Shiao lynch wagon I assume that's the people mentioned in earlier cases, including me, so I preempted it. You can now check someone more useful who won't return a confusing check, and I will offer up as much info as I can give for the evening.
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On April 28 2013 12:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:WoS:Show nested quote +That's because in Ego I already claimed right at the beginning of the game, remember the fight over whether what I said was a 'real' claim or not? I NEVER LIE. You claimed town when the game started. I don't see how this qualifies as "claiming when i am in danger of dying"? Rayn You're being purposefully obtuse or something. I was asked to claim at L-1, I said I already did. I was VT and there was no role for me to claim at the time.
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Well 'what I've got' at the moment is a bunch of reads that were/are wrong so it's probably better if I re-read a few things. I'll start with Clarity I guess.
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On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS why did you claim miller when noone even wants you copped, only shot? Did you think at all what kinda WIFOM fest this is going to lead the town into? That's the stupidest thing to do if you are town, and probably the cleverest thing to do if you are mafia. Even without the claim i'm leaning on you being mafia so i will push you getting shot because that is the best play town can do as you claimed. There's nothing to push, you dumbass. Almost everyone has already agreed I should be shot; you don't need to puff up your fucking chest and go "HAY GUISE SHOOT HIM HE SCUM LOOK AT ME" because there's no reason to. Did I not already say I'm fine being shot if it helps the town clear up any confusion like 3 fucking times? I'm just asking people to consider the idea that I'm not scum, which you absolutely refuse to do.
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So continue preaching to the choir by all means. In the meantime, I'm gonna go over here and be, ya know, USEFUL.
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Clarity Re-read. Honestly...not so sure why I was so hesitant to call him scum after being the FIRST ONE TO RIP UP HIS FUCKING CASE that everyone seems to forget about, and yet other people seem to want credit for. Fuck it, call me scummy for looking for towncred but at the very least acknowledge the fact that I told him his case was bad. I guess I didn't think that bad case = scummy case for him and I was wrong. It also didn't help that I saw a lot of my early play in his posting...and I never really did clarification as to whether he was seen as a new player or not. Looking through his past history he's played in quite a few mafia games so that probably should have been my biggest tell; the very thing I was excusing him for only worked if he was new, essentially. Lazy and dumb on my part, but oh well.
Now as to who he mentions (because I've noticed this seems to work really well in post-flip analysis): Calls Sharrant scum in his original case - yeah I think we all know how that turned out. He also provides soft defenses for Rayn and Hopeless in there but I don't think that's necessarily relevant because that would assume Sharrant was onto something back then with the two of them.
Mentions looking into Giygas, BC, and ShiaoPi. Never does. Sadly this is null because we don't know if they're all town, or some of them are scum and he never planned on visiting them via case. Then this:
As for the people I said I'd check: pretty confident BC is town, giygas is who the fuck knows and I don't understand why the fuck shiao hammered after showing no interest in oats whatsoever. Only person he is confident giving a proper read with the words 'town/scum' in it is BC. Is this because he has prior knowledge of BC being town or because he is trying to give BC towncred as scum? Personally I believe the first option to be more likely, but that does shed interesting light on Giygas and ShiaoPi. Why no reads at all despite this being his post where he said he'd check??
Players Clarity never mentions at all or responds to whatsoever: tube, grush, kush, OO, Ace, Drazak/Artanis, Sylencia, and VE. We know one of these was mafia, bad I think the issue here is a general lack of presence in the thread, making this difficult (at least for me; maybe someone else can make something of it).
I think at least from this Giygas and Shiao deserve looking into; probably more Giygas than Shiao because I just can't trust my own earlier reads anymore.
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I already explained why I claimed; you not believing me does not mean I didn't explain it, Rayn. Ace did you pick up on that stuff before I claimed or not? Because that to me means I may have not completely failed.
OO I'm unsure as to what you mean by refusing to counterclaim. I didn't counterclaim when BM originally claimed because it just didn't seem to me to be a good idea whatsoever then, especially when the entire thread was frantically trying to determine what was going on with BM not to mention the thread was divided as to whether it was a good idea or not to counterclaim at all. (I assume there oculd be more than one Snape, btw, so counterclaiming doesn't even mean anything here). Any counterclaim I made would derail the effort to determine whether or not BM was scummy and it generated good discussion at the time which I felt no desire to derail.
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Ok OO I follow you. Whether or not people believe me, OO is right about everything he posted. I was figuratiely asking Palmar there if I should really counterclaim.
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Now again, this doesn't necessarily mean I don't think I should be shot if it's fucking with people's reads and whatnot---I understand if it is. I just ask that you take this information into consideration when reading what I post tonight and looking back when I flip.
What do people think of BC right now? I remember really not liking his initial posting; bullying the thread into submission really seems anti-town to me and prevents people from sharing reads/opinions. Is he known to do this often? I'm going to look again and see if I can pick anything up. Going to do this as often as I possibly can tonight---even if my reads are bad (which they always fucking seem to be, sigh) you guys will have what to work with.
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On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
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On April 28 2013 13:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Again, i can't see where you assume you are gonna get DT checked when people wanted you shot.
Because at that point there weren't that many people who wanted me shot. I wasn't worried about getting shot at that point, I was more worried about being lynched, and a miller claim during the day would have ensured that. Now I'm done defending my actions to you Rayn, continue believing what you're going to believe.
BC: Seems overall fairly town to me, though I don't get the evolution of his scumreads. Well, I get them in that they constantly follow town sentiment more or less, but I don't get where most of them go. Scumread on yamato just fizzles out, scumread on CC spoken of once and gone, scumread of OO based on one post and gone, On D2 he pushes ShiaoPi like crazy and then before he disappears for the day with vote still on ShiaoPi, posts this:
On April 27 2013 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote: You guys are heading into preflip assumption territory and its not good. Yeah, they're being bad. Ignore it. You know you're accusing BC of shitting all over town atmosphere yamato. JUST SAYIN. I'm no longer accusing BC of anything. I'm just saying, this voting analysis of wagons is inconclusive at best. Mafia vote for mafia, town vote for town, and his list of "confirmed" players may not even be accurate, lol. I honestly don't like confirming people via voting wagons unless we have a list check dt. I was answering the question asked (although to ace) because it was something that I wanted a potential viewing of how I see it out there in case he answers differently. I would say the most damning thing against shiaopi at this point in time is his angry post calling out tube. People who would be most angry specifically at tube is a mafia imo although thats an insane stretch and even i realize that He's one of those people who are on both the Shiao and oats wagons at the time that people were starting to consider scummy, but then he switches to Clarity at the end. I'm not sure what to make of this in the end but what I would like is an explanation of BC's reads evolution because he just flies back and forth, dropping and picking up pressure with no way (for me at least) to understand where it went. I can't think BC is scum based on his play...bussing Clarity that early makes no sense to me but help me out here maybe. Like....BC do you still think yamato is scum? Shiao?
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On April 28 2013 13:45 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:28 Ace wrote:my laptop keyboard is broken thats why I was typing like that. @rayn: earlier I said self aware millers should claim with known role counts. but seeing people call him to be shot WoS claims. So I was saying go back to the beginning of the game and see if he said anything regarding Millers. He was clearly interested in Bill Murray's situation. If he is Scum he is running a long con, and sticking with it nicely. Being as I view WoS as kind of incapable of making such a play - based on my run in with him in Ego mafia and him not understanding something I deem basic - I doubt he's doing it. If he is he has experienced Scum on his team, and with Clarity and tube flipping I dont know how much we can trust that route. He might still be scum, but I dont think his claim puts him that way. If enough people want him shot - list those players and their reasons. How many of them are people you trust to be Town and have legit reasons? Look at yamato and VE. VE looks bad when clarity flips because of his resistance. re-read that interaction! yamato has been promising cases on BC and VE for over 3 days now and has never delivered. Both are paranoid of me being Scum which is absolutely dumb since I would have just killed my Scum vigi and drop our factional KP by 2. On April 28 2013 13:07 Sharrant wrote: Ace, what are you feeling on Hopeless? He's been on the wrong side of both lynches so far in the worst way possible. Unlucky town, or mafia? Very scummy looking or just dumb. Like VE seems super paranoid about me being Scum even with all that just went down to secure clarity's lynch. Not even pretending to read the thread. His entire reasoning rests on "some Vets must be scum" which is a ridiculous line of thinking, and a pretty poor place to start off of considering we have voting lists and 2 Scum flips. Now I wont have access to this computer all the time so I'll be back on my laptop playing charades and shit with you guys. This post needs more Dwayne Johnson gifs IMO. Do you agree that Palmar could be mafia based on his play by proxy? Would he step back and let town tear itself apart if he's the only veteran who is mafia? So far he's been sticking with the play-style for the most part (a lazy style IMO). Ignore the spoiler if you hate pre-flip association thoughts + Show Spoiler [speculation/pre-flip association] +IMO I don't see him doing that if ACE BC BM VE DOCH are all town, BUT! it's possible that mafia has some power roles and DOCH/stutters is mafia as well (someone who when he's around is hyper-active early game, or at least that's the idea I get from 1-the podcast where he talked by himself, the beta cast and 2-he burns out quickly when he's scum), like we just learned with today's flip they had a vigilante in Clarity, and role #s are not known, they could have more. This needs a flip to have any credence so I guess i'll shut up about it for now. But the question again so it's clear, does it make sense that Palmar would play by proxy solo if he's the only scum vet in such a potentially strong town? I personally think that the scumteam is likely to be weak/lurky this game as I mentioned earlier. This is only stengthened by the fact that both tube and Clarity flipped red. I don't see how Clarity could have been allowed by a strong scumteam to post what he did so that many people picked up on it almost immediately and what's more, undoubtedly forced at least one of them to bus him (there's no way all of the scum were on the Shiao wagon or all spread the voting out considering how long it was only between Shiao and Clarity. Interesting to see Shiao not voting for Clarity btw. Also need to see why kush wasn't on either of those two.
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On April 28 2013 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ace. What do you make of the fact that WoS himself said he agrees with BC's post where BC said millers should never claim? That's it. That's the contradiction in itself, and that should be enough to shoot him asap.
There is no town motivation to insta-claim when people want you shot. A townie would think "crap, i have been so fucking wrong on D1 and D2. I have to relook everything and make my best to come up with the best reads possible. Then, if people do not believe me, i claim miller and have people shoot me." That's what a townie would do.
However, if WoS is mafia, there are two possibilities. People take him at face value (look at what you are doing right here) and he does not get shot. He can't be copped any more. Win situation. If people do not agree on shooting him, but mafia has a reason to believe he will be shot, what then. THROW A FUCKING JAILER ON HIM! That's gonna be a fucking WIFOM-fest @ D3, might even lead to a vigilante claiming if they shot him.
The only correct play is that all people agree on vigi shooting WoS, if he dies and flips town, he screwed up royally. But he is no longer a distraction. If he flips mafia, good. If he does not get shot, we lynch him on D3 as mafia protected him and he is mafia. I really REALLY want to ignore you. So bad. This reminds me of your play in Ego except less retarded one-liners, but you're still the same old tunnely Rayn. Stop mucking up the thread with this shit. Ace and OO and I are trying to look elsewhere for mafia and you're still hung up on me.
On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
I've also already explained to you it's not so much I was worried about being shot Rayn, you just keep ignoring this. I WAS MORE WORRIED ABOUT BEING DT CHECKED AND HAVING A LYNCH WASTED ON ME. DTs don't necessarily crumb their targets or tell anyone who they will be checking, and with people looking to possibly shoot me so early in the night, along with MANY other possible vig targets flying around, it's highly likely that another target gets shot and I get DTed instead, which is what I DIDN'T want to happen. Wasted vig shot, sure, but no wasted lynch/DT check.
I'm officially done explaining this to you. Either accept the fact that the town will either all agree to shoot me, or they won't, but stop shitting up this thread or I will assume you are doing this in order to distract better players from scumhunting and when I flip town you're going to look like shit.
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On April 28 2013 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS i have already said what i have to say. I do not understand how you can mostly agree with post that says "millers should never claim, period". I do not understand how you are worried about a DT check rather than a vigishot when N2 has just started, when there is 24 hours time to relook everything and come up with new reads that might make town take another look at you, especially when nobody has ever mentioned anything about DT-checking you. There is no reason to argue about this, you are not going to convince me. I explained what will happen if you are alive on D3, and i hope other people do so too. You are either playing incredibly stupidly and not thinking clearly or you are mafia playing cleverly on N2. I think it's the latter.
Now convince the other people you are town. Your first reads post was kinda bad. Over half of the post said what you were supposed to do before N2, it's fucking irrelevant that you use big paragraphs now to tell us why Clarity is mafia, because he flipped mafia already. It's neither bro. And you didn't read the post at all apparently. Got any comments on the second half of the post or are you too busy in your confirmation-bias tunnel of love?
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Uh...I'd love to, in fact I tried earlier in the game but keep getting shut down because MODCONFIRMED TOWN BRO
Ace, since I am still inexperienced as you put it, is there a possibility that Geript is not town?
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Except OO that last point....he was right about that and I remember reading that. Going to go have a re-look at the context.
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Ohai Geript. Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread?
Also anything updated on Shiao or Giygas?
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OO I don't mean that Ace's case was bad, I meant he was right about the fact that the scum team can very easily be extremely lurky, and would completely explain Clarity being scum in my opinion.
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On April 28 2013 14:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 14:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Geript. Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread?
Also anything updated on Shiao or Giygas? If you think ShiaoPi is scum i want to ask you the question i have asked from many other people. Why do you think scum did sacrifice their vigilante over Shiao, and why didn't they push a conter-case on a townie at any point of D2? I'm not sure Shiao is scum. If he isn't he's terrible town. I'm just trying to find out what other people think of him now and whether or not Clarity's flip precludes Shiao of being scum. I'm not sure it does, but it does make me doubt my read. How exactly did scum sacrifice their vig over Shiao by the way? There are so many strong players in this game who are likely town I don't think scum had any real control over the lynch. Where are tube's/Clarity's influence over the lynch D1?
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On April 28 2013 14:37 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 14:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Geript. Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread? Sorry I missed this question, could you clarify what you mean exactly? Lol just ask the Master of Tunnels, Rayn.
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On April 28 2013 14:36 getmoript wrote: @Ace: Let's assume for a second that there are 3 active scum left. Who then has been dissuading discussion? Who has actively been inserting new shit preventing us from getting reads on people? Where are the active disruptive scum? OO, this is the point of Geript's I agree with, but Geript that doesnt' discredit Ace's entire case. You really only focused on one aspect of it which is why I think Ace had trouble taking that seriously.
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Geript are you calling yamato a supercollider? SCUM RIGHT HERE FOLKS
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On April 28 2013 14:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 14:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 14:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 28 2013 14:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Geript. Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread?
Also anything updated on Shiao or Giygas? If you think ShiaoPi is scum i want to ask you the question i have asked from many other people. Why do you think scum did sacrifice their vigilante over Shiao, and why didn't they push a conter-case on a townie at any point of D2? I'm not sure Shiao is scum. If he isn't he's terrible town. I'm just trying to find out what other people think of him now and whether or not Clarity's flip precludes Shiao of being scum. I'm not sure it does, but it does make me doubt my read. How exactly did scum sacrifice their vig over Shiao by the way? There are so many strong players in this game who are likely town I don't think scum had any real control over the lynch. Where are tube's/Clarity's influence over the lynch D1? Because Clarity was +1 KP. Scum know who is scum, and scum have probably done scummy stuff this game. Anyone who comes even close to pushing a lynch on D2 was VE, and he can't possibly push a lynch on himself. Even if scum are fairly inactive, it would be beneficial to make a rock-solid case on another scum to not waste a KP-role. Then Clarity comes in, votes for that person, and it's a win-win situation. Now the only counter-case was ShiaoPi. I still don't think there were only scum wagons on D2, and that's also why i think VE is scum. You don't find it likely that inactive scum couldn't start a third wagon when there are already 2 strong ones going without it looking really scummy?
By the by, you've got a lot of scum-POV goin' on in that thar brain a'yers, Rayn. You scum?
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On April 28 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 14:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 14:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 28 2013 14:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 14:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 28 2013 14:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Geript. Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread?
Also anything updated on Shiao or Giygas? If you think ShiaoPi is scum i want to ask you the question i have asked from many other people. Why do you think scum did sacrifice their vigilante over Shiao, and why didn't they push a conter-case on a townie at any point of D2? I'm not sure Shiao is scum. If he isn't he's terrible town. I'm just trying to find out what other people think of him now and whether or not Clarity's flip precludes Shiao of being scum. I'm not sure it does, but it does make me doubt my read. How exactly did scum sacrifice their vig over Shiao by the way? There are so many strong players in this game who are likely town I don't think scum had any real control over the lynch. Where are tube's/Clarity's influence over the lynch D1? Because Clarity was +1 KP. Scum know who is scum, and scum have probably done scummy stuff this game. Anyone who comes even close to pushing a lynch on D2 was VE, and he can't possibly push a lynch on himself. Even if scum are fairly inactive, it would be beneficial to make a rock-solid case on another scum to not waste a KP-role. Then Clarity comes in, votes for that person, and it's a win-win situation. Now the only counter-case was ShiaoPi. I still don't think there were only scum wagons on D2, and that's also why i think VE is scum. You don't find it likely that inactive scum couldn't start a third wagon when there are already 2 strong ones going without it looking really scummy? By the by, you've got a lot of scum-POV goin' on in that thar brain a'yers, Rayn. You scum? The thing is i do not think all scum are inactive. You are making an assumption that holds no water, at least yet. Of course it's possible that all the scum are inactive and couldn't do shit about what happened on D2, but why didn't they then try harder to get ShiaoPi lynched? I find the easiest explanation to be that VE is mafia. Maybe he shouldn't get vigged, but at least copped. What do you think about what i just said about geript? I don't assume all 5 scum are inactive/lurky, but I assume the scumteam as a whole absolutely must be, or the game wouldn't be going down the way it has been for them. As per your explanation you're right VE COULD be mafia, but it certainly doesn't mean Shiao couldn't be.
As for Geript, I agree with him; if you'll notice right before Clarity flipped I asked mods the timing on a modkill because it seemed to me to be a waste of a lynch for town. It was very VERY unlikely he wasn't getting modkilled at that point in my opinion, and it's likely scum figured the same. Those who were around anyway.
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I could see Ace as 3rd party btw as per BC's thoughts earlier in the game. I don't think he's mafia though, and I certainly don't think he should be the focus right now.
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On April 28 2013 15:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 15:01 getmoript wrote:On April 28 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is i do not think all scum are inactive. Explain why you think that. Who are the active scum who are throwing shit around shitting up the thread? VE and maybe you. If not VE then yamato. And me too, remember? You've got a lot of scumspects here Rayn. How can you keep track of them all?
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Geript, certainly makes sense for a super inactive/lurky scumteam doesn't it? Look at Shiao's voting history too.
I'm off to bed. Daypost isn't until what, 5PM (EST) I think tomorrow? I'm not sure how active I'm going to be during the day tomorrow but hopefully people have a lot to go on in case I don't get to post much before I die. I'll be checking my phone periodically though and may be able to toss something up every so often. I highly doubt both OO and Ace are scum so I'd take their advice if I do die and have a look at who is taking hard advantage of my 'gift' to them in my claim. I think Rayn is playing too dumb to be scummy so mebbe not him, lol.
Night bros.
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Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out
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So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw.
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On phone ace I can't filter dive or post cases atm. Grush vig shot would have been dumb, no one mentioned him as a good target plus starsenses. If grush was shot by a vig someone should claim (I don't see that happening) Geript I'm almost certain serial poisoner. Its a harry potter game (how could host turn down throwing that in) and it better explains NK status between N1 and tonight.
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Maaaaannn. I never get masoned or roll scum. So unrucky.
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Oh boy.
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On April 29 2013 09:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 09:36 TheRavensName wrote:On April 29 2013 09:27 Palmar wrote: Look at this bloodycobbler actively hunting third parties everywhere!
Also BC, did you ever explain why it would be a better idea to vig me than to lynch me? Personally I think that would be a waste of a shot since you have night protection. I did not ask you, I wanted BC's explanation for his statement. It's one of his slips this game. He called out for a player that he knew could be active, had the support of several important townies, to be vigged. I wonder if he was simply afraid that he would never be able to mislynch me? You had the support of several townies at the time of his callout? Whom would those be? Also hai guise, I back for the evening.
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HAHA oh man. This is awesome. Except which cop are you? I'm going to assume alignment since you wouldn't have a parity check yet since you were blocked N1. Now if you're alignment cop a guilty check doesn't mean shit yet since you could be any sanity.
Man I wish I could believe you though since I have a hard time believing we'd have more than two millers on town just in case he tried to claim. Wat do?
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Palmar honestly, wtf. What is your goal here? Do you honestly expect people to follow along with you when you riled everyone up and promised some epic war with epic words and arguments, and then deliver this?
It's like we just had sex for the first time and I left disappointed because you only lasted 8 seconds.
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Are we sure it's Sylencia? I think it could still be Shiao and certainly either of them being mafia would fit with the whole 'useless scumteam' thing we've got going on here.
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On April 29 2013 10:34 Ace wrote: Sharrant dont vote syl yet. Look at those detective checks. Why would he investigate those 2 and claim when he is unconfirmed? he just made a case on sylencia - what is the rush? Palmar's claim should cause him to NOT claim if he is a real detective. You should know by now people don't always play the way you expect them to, or the 'right' way. Ace assuming we follow through with the lynch on Sylencia and Palmar's worst case scenario comes to pass, what are you worried about?
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If we mislynch twice and lose 2 people per night, and the day we'd lynch CC we'd be at 13-2-1 assuming 3rd party. Not the worst position to be in, though I don't like the idea of this potentially halting all discussion since we have predetermined lynch targets each day.
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NVM my math is mega fauty. 10-2-1 after we lynch CC. That's actually not great.
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Alright well aside from this cop bullshit, are Sylencia and Shiao worth lynching of their own (lack of) merit? Personally after discussing last night with geript and rayn I don't see why Shiao is town, and I'd have to re-read the case on Sylencia as well as look at him myself.
Ace are you going to be looking to push one of the cop claims? Yamato? What's your target for today?
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I personally don't understand the motivation behind many of these plays....like....if you're town and you pull this shit because you're lazy; you're effectively making it harder for us to win. I could ask this question of a lot of people in this game: why play the game if you're just going to fuck around?
I don't understand the town OR scum motivation behind the claims tbh---I feel like I'm more likely to just ignore all of this shit and push personal scumreads today than risk being manipulated or succumb to shit play tactics.
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Why the fuck WAS grush killed last night? Actually I know. Inconspicuous 3rd party target, unlikely to be a threat to 3rd party or scum so just an easy town numbers reduction for 3rd party. Rayn was for sure the scum target.
Aaaaaanyway, gonna look into Sylencia myself.
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On April 29 2013 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 11:01 Ace wrote:On April 29 2013 10:58 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 10:57 Ace wrote: lol both of you are so bad and what are you going to do about it bitch? rape you both. lol @ Mr.CC claiming grush's death as an excuse for him getting shot. Stop it. Look. You're the one being stupid here, and shitting up this thread. Palmar claimed to have a red check on BC. One check, stupid move if he's cop. I'm supposed to sit back and let Palmar be retarded without a claim? I have two checks and know that one of Shaio/syl is scum. I know that Shaio is probably the townie, therefore we should lynch Syl. It's the best move today considering Palmars claim. If I don't claim people are just going to lynch BC / Palmar and it could end up terrible in the end. So shut up Ace. Stop flailing your giant mafia dick around and play the ball as it lands. You're not being productive by telling Palmar / me how bad the claims are. Now. Lynch Sylencia. WHY
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Just lynch fucking Shiao like I've been saying on and off for days, k?
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On April 29 2013 11:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 11:30 yamato77 wrote:On April 29 2013 11:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 29 2013 11:28 yamato77 wrote: Oh, and there could be a framer, meaning wrong checks don't even imply being mafia
lolol, there's no way to confirm any of you. framer died. oh well, night 1 checks are still unreliable assuming tube even sent night actions, lol if framer hit shaio n1... lol OH GOD WHY CC Y U DO DIS 2 ME
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On April 29 2013 11:39 ObviousOne wrote: ##Vote Sylencia
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT What the fuuuuuuck this doesnt make any sense My brain is full of fuck. I'm really glad a bunch of other people did dumb things though to offset the dumb thing i did. Anyway I can't help but think Syl is mafia independent of his check after reading through him, but Shiao looks the same to me.
What would have to be possible for both of them to be mafia? The rest of the team would have to be Shiao/Syl/one of the cops?
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Palmar/Shiao scumteam makes sense if you look at the end of Shiao's filter, assuming his Clarity vote was because they were forced to bus him.
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Vote Shiao. DO EET MOTHERFATHERS
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I'm telling you guys. Entire scumteam afk. Clarity/tube/Shiao/Syl and Stutters.
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On April 29 2013 12:16 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 12:15 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm telling you guys. Entire scumteam afk. Clarity/tube/Shiao/Syl and Stutters. If that's the scum team, I quit IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. Also explains why DrH had to be replaced, no?
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Fuck you CC. In all honesty I believe Shiao is still mafia and that's where my vote lies. Does that interfere with what you're trying to do?
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On April 29 2013 12:35 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 12:25 Ace wrote: Wos we need to figure this scenario out. Voting for WoS is implusive. Before we do anything lets all sit down, take a deep breath, and think our way through this. Your analysis on the situation looks sound. I think the right course of action then is to flip Sylencia, and have the cops make a little circle. Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 12:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I PROBABLY agree that there's one fake-claim in the cop claims.
But I don't want that to be a given in any scenario right now. Palmar losing steam after that buildup should really earn him a policy lynch tbh but I digress.
I have town read on OO. If I'm to believe CC's cop claim, I want to lynch Shiao because Sylencia is the same alignment as OO. Shiao was on the block yesterday too. Shiao could still be scum and no one is talking about him anymore. Talk about Shiao. I have a town read on OO as well, but I still think Sylencia is the better lynch. He is the keystone of the checks. I'll read over Shiao and post something on him tomorrow, he's not going to be forgotten. QUOTE] On April 29 2013 12:31 Sylencia wrote:In any case before you guys rush things let me catch up before quick lynching, since that's literally the worst thing you could do right now
It won't be a quick lynch. I want to hear every read you've got.
[/QUOTE] I disagree with the above regarding Sylencia because of my townread on OO; I am aware this puts more credence on VE's claim as well but it's just how I feel about it. If it's necessary for a lynch today I will switch, but for now my vote remains.
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OO what I said about Shiao/Palmar earlier on is based on what you singled out at the end of your case. I think simply because I believe you are town Shiao is the better lynch today. We can decide what to do with Syl tomorrow.
Also I think we have no vigs at all which would not only explain me (or anyone else, really considering we had a whole slew of vigable targets) not dying last night but would also explain the possibility of multiple cops.
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On April 29 2013 12:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 12:51 WaveofShadow wrote: OO what I said about Shiao/Palmar earlier on is based on what you singled out at the end of your case. I think simply because I believe you are town Shiao is the better lynch today. We can decide what to do with Syl tomorrow.
Also I think we have no vigs at all which would not only explain me (or anyone else, really considering we had a whole slew of vigable targets) not dying last night but would also explain the possibility of multiple cops. Wave with post of thread ladies and gentlemen. Shit like this makes me nervous. Can't tell if sarcastic or not because I'm not used to people agreeing with me. Ever.
Shiao and Syl you are both around, do either of you two give any fucks at all about this?
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Called that shit for days. Shiao then probs Giygas? I'd also be intersted to see which people were trying to convince to switch off of Shiao because technically a lynch of either with the upcoming checks tonight will confirm the same people.
You guys just bought scum extra time. At work right now, will check up periodically.
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Also I'm thinking this makes Ace look mighty bad if Shiao flips red. Means his whole votewagon analysis means dick all since the D2 wagons are both scum, and despite putting up a fight last night calling everyone dumb he votes for Syl anyway.
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Lol if Shiao is town we're fucked.
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We are going to have to lynch into the cop claims next I think, though I suppose we see what goes down tonight. See who bsilisk targeted yesterday and mafia will probably kill one of CC/Palm/VE depending on who is scum and who isn't. Hopefully we don't lose two of them.
In the meantime, what is the course of action for the evening? The quicklynch wasn't great for discussion; we really needed to hear more from Syl. Do we make Shiao run his mouth as much as possible? Figure out who D5 target is likely to be?
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EBWOP: lynch into cop claims after Shiao I mean.
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Lol we should totally let the lurkers sort themselves out. Have fun ladies.
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Who here played with Shiao in Boardwalk? What was he like?
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Maybe it wasn't Boardwalk then...PTP? Maybe I'm just talking out my ass but I thought you were in a fairly recent game and I can't check right now cuz phone.
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You guise better stop calling him giggles. You're going to make him angry.
You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
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On April 30 2013 03:29 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 03:24 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 30 2013 03:22 yamato77 wrote: HOLY FUCK
LOOK AT THAT you're so cool yamato. so cool. Maybe we should just lynch you tomorrow instead of Shiao? Could always delay the information-gathering for the all important event of lynching mafia. Wtf yamato. Or we could lynch Shiao BECAUSE he's mafia and get info at the same time?
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Oo, oo I've got one! Gizmos and gadgetS? Too much?
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We don't have vigs imo... Or they're rl dumb and didn't do anything last night.
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On April 30 2013 05:52 ObviousOne wrote: I want to look at Rayn who we are guessing was the 3P kill, right? After I tear up this subflooring. Night ends in about 10 hours iirc.
CC I could totes be mafia godfather. If ShiaoPi flips mafia then I have been doing exactly what I did in my scum game last time: bus like a mofo. Sadly it matches the optimal town strat of killing all the mafia. So I must lol again and hope my filter speaks town to you! I don't like this OO. I mentioned this somewhat during the action last night and Palmar and yamato both agreed that it's more likely Grush was the 3p kill:
On April 29 2013 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Why the fuck WAS grush killed last night? Actually I know. Inconspicuous 3rd party target, unlikely to be a threat to 3rd party or scum so just an easy town numbers reduction for 3rd party. Rayn was for sure the scum target.
Aaaaaanyway, gonna look into Sylencia myself.
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On April 30 2013 06:02 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 05:55 Stutters695 wrote:On April 30 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Something tells me based on what im reading I would be yelling as much as you Ace -_- Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts? @stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way? I'm in my phone now so can't pull the exact quote but I remembered a detailed post about how people on the oats &ships wagons probably had a scum among them. Then your posts about cop claims and what they mean is all dependanrt on assumptions and thus could just be conjecture to appear active without giving out as much as you would with your earlier play which felt more solid to me. Since I'm a prime vig target and could easily die before or with Shiao i felt it worth bringing up because you're clearly able to pull off such a play. you have to start with some assumptions and go back to read each cops' posts. I dont see what else you expect us to do to figure this out - just take every claim at face value? You are like 4 days late with the Oats wagon analysis. It's been done to death and generally accepted by now. When you get off your phone just point out where the assumptions dont hold up and if it hasn't already been addressed I'll be here to talk about it. It's pretty simple isn't it? If Shiao and Clarity both scum then any wagon analysis you did comparing the Shiao/Oats wagons when you did are useless.
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On April 30 2013 06:02 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 30 2013 05:52 ObviousOne wrote: I want to look at Rayn who we are guessing was the 3P kill, right? After I tear up this subflooring. Night ends in about 10 hours iirc.
CC I could totes be mafia godfather. If ShiaoPi flips mafia then I have been doing exactly what I did in my scum game last time: bus like a mofo. Sadly it matches the optimal town strat of killing all the mafia. So I must lol again and hope my filter speaks town to you! I don't like this OO. I mentioned this somewhat during the action last night and Palmar and yamato both agreed that it's more likely Grush was the 3p kill: On April 29 2013 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Why the fuck WAS grush killed last night? Actually I know. Inconspicuous 3rd party target, unlikely to be a threat to 3rd party or scum so just an easy town numbers reduction for 3rd party. Rayn was for sure the scum target.
Aaaaaanyway, gonna look into Sylencia myself. Was it grush they decided? Then there will be less info from that =[ Why, OO?
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On April 30 2013 06:22 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:07 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 30 2013 06:02 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:55 Stutters695 wrote:On April 30 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Something tells me based on what im reading I would be yelling as much as you Ace -_- Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts? @stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way? I'm in my phone now so can't pull the exact quote but I remembered a detailed post about how people on the oats &ships wagons probably had a scum among them. Then your posts about cop claims and what they mean is all dependanrt on assumptions and thus could just be conjecture to appear active without giving out as much as you would with your earlier play which felt more solid to me. Since I'm a prime vig target and could easily die before or with Shiao i felt it worth bringing up because you're clearly able to pull off such a play. you have to start with some assumptions and go back to read each cops' posts. I dont see what else you expect us to do to figure this out - just take every claim at face value? You are like 4 days late with the Oats wagon analysis. It's been done to death and generally accepted by now. When you get off your phone just point out where the assumptions dont hold up and if it hasn't already been addressed I'll be here to talk about it. It's pretty simple isn't it? If Shiao and Clarity both scum then any wagon analysis you did comparing the Shiao/Oats wagons when you did are useless. we already said shiao could still be scum. We covered this like 20 times - go back and read it. Shioa WAS on the Oats wagon. Thats how we brought him up in the first place. It came down to which of the 2 was more likely Scum - Clarity or Shiao? Clarity flipped Vigilante Scum. Shiao is still alive and was on the wagon. Multiple players on the wagon are also still alive. Hence, the analysis holds. read it carefully. But Shiao wasn't on the wagon, he voted VE, not clarity. Not to mention we already provided extremely valid reasons why 'sacrificing' Clarity over Shiao made sense at the time; Clarity was about to modkilled anyway. Easier to eliminate a useless scumplayer on your team and gain cred than to eliminate someone who mght actually play the game.
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Ace................................ did you just slip, my dear?
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Ace, you compared the D1 and D2 wagons though in the middle of Day 2. Was Shiao on the Clarity wagon at any point during the day?
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On April 30 2013 06:27 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:26 GiygaS wrote: Anyway, on Ace: Acted disinterested on day 1, and I still think what he said was a contradiction. His day 1 was anti-town. Since then, he's been a pro-town force. For his day 1, I still think he's 3p (not scum) for his day 1, but he could easily be town as well. Definitely not worth a lynch or vig at this point when we have the whole triple cop claim caper going on. what did I do anti-town Day 1? can you point this stuff out? !wos: what slip? im not scum I cant slip No you didn't slip, you just phrased your sentence very oddly. Now I still don't understand your point though. I'm going to go find your post.
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On April 25 2013 14:16 Ace wrote: Ok so check this out from my notes.
We know Oats was a Town mislynch. The person who started the case was Vivax who also flipped Town. We know this wasn't a Scum started lynch but with a hammer of 13, I doubt it's possible that 0 Scum were on Oats' wagon. This is the list order:
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi
I'm going to remove myself and Vivax obviously. Ignore rayne for now because of his activity levels, and clearly yourself.
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi
Almost this entire remaining list is full of low activity players. I highly doubt out of all remaining 11 names here not 1 is Scum and I think this is where we should start paying attention. A townie is getting lynched and just too many people that lurk are on here and not all of them can be Town. It also just so happens that VE and ShiaoPi are on this list too. With vigis waking up tonight I'm all for them clearing out the lurkers on this voting list, while we potentially lynch from here. Of course one suspect (Clarity) isn't here but we can discuss that too.
Thoughts? You're talking about this post I assume? I'm talking about THIS one.
On April 27 2013 06:51 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote: That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that he was instructed NOT to vote for Clarity. Who the fuck knows or cares. I think Shiao is a better lynch out of the two, personally, so that's where my vote is. I care and it is a pretty big deal. Just putting the pieces together: 1.)Not reading the thread which terrible Scum and terrible Town both do 2.) this is also in response to rayn: Shaio's reads are pure sheeping. He clearly wants to get rid of VE even though him and Palmar have done the same thing. Possible Scum motive too. There is a problem tho. 3.) If 2 is true - then why not push for VE to die even more? there is no big sentiment for VE dying so why would he attach himself to this?If he's Scum why not take the easier path and get rid of clarity? Doing this also saves his own ass. I can see a townie not reading the thread and not aware of the danger making this mistake, but a Scum player who has teammates? i doubt it unless the Scum team is absurdly dumb. 4.) The little tube comment is a small point in his favor. could be WIFOM but we also gave you credit for that too. 5.) This is the biggest issue here: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi from the other day. ShiaoPi (7): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Visceraeyes, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1derfrom today. Removing you, myself,rayne and getmoript from previous discussion about the Oats list look at that overlap. A confirmed Town death list and Six names pop up that coincide with both lists at some point. Look at clarity's list: Clarity_nl (4): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS, grush The only names that hit both lists are myself, rayne, and gigyas. I came off, and rayne is Town in my eyes right now. gigyas is the only non-unique name to both lists. What's the coincidence that this happens? Clairty's voting list looks far more legit relative to ShaioPi's wagon when both are matched vs the Oats' list. ShiaoPi is most likely Town at this point.
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You spend the entire rest of that night derailing the Shiao lynch and use this vote count analysis as evidence. If Shiao turns out to be scum that's an awful lot of effort you put into derailing a correct train of thought, and also trying to implicate people who are on both vote trains at the same time.
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Call it a pre-association case if you want; you don't necessarily have to lend credence to it yet, but as I mentioned if Shiao goes down red you're in a lot of trouble, my friend since new evidence you couldn't have accounted for in terms of the cop checks washes away all of your points declaring his innocence. He still looks objectively scummy for his attitude, his lack of reads AND reading, and his thread presence. The checks, as someone put it earlier, are the icing on the cake.
We shall see where tomorrow takes us.
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On April 30 2013 06:38 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote: You spend the entire rest of that night derailing the Shiao lynch and use this vote count analysis as evidence. If Shiao turns out to be scum that's an awful lot of effort you put into derailing a correct train of thought, and also trying to implicate people who are on both vote trains at the same time. I derailed it because I thought he had a better chance of being town than Clarity- who did flip Scum. We also acnknowledged that yes BOTH could be scum. The vote count analysis IS evidence: If shiao flips scum it holds. I dont see what your point here is. Especially with clarity flipping Scum Vigilante - why would I save Shiao over him and drop Scum KP by 2 that night? whatever you're getting at doesnt hold up You don't read, do you?
On April 30 2013 06:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:22 GiygaS wrote:On April 30 2013 06:07 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 30 2013 06:02 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:55 Stutters695 wrote:On April 30 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Something tells me based on what im reading I would be yelling as much as you Ace -_- Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts? @stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way? I'm in my phone now so can't pull the exact quote but I remembered a detailed post about how people on the oats &ships wagons probably had a scum among them. Then your posts about cop claims and what they mean is all dependanrt on assumptions and thus could just be conjecture to appear active without giving out as much as you would with your earlier play which felt more solid to me. Since I'm a prime vig target and could easily die before or with Shiao i felt it worth bringing up because you're clearly able to pull off such a play. you have to start with some assumptions and go back to read each cops' posts. I dont see what else you expect us to do to figure this out - just take every claim at face value? You are like 4 days late with the Oats wagon analysis. It's been done to death and generally accepted by now. When you get off your phone just point out where the assumptions dont hold up and if it hasn't already been addressed I'll be here to talk about it. It's pretty simple isn't it? If Shiao and Clarity both scum then any wagon analysis you did comparing the Shiao/Oats wagons when you did are useless. we already said shiao could still be scum. We covered this like 20 times - go back and read it. Shioa WAS on the Oats wagon. Thats how we brought him up in the first place. It came down to which of the 2 was more likely Scum - Clarity or Shiao? Clarity flipped Vigilante Scum. Shiao is still alive and was on the wagon. Multiple players on the wagon are also still alive. Hence, the analysis holds. read it carefully. But Shiao wasn't on the wagon, he voted VE, not clarity. Not to mention we already provided extremely valid reasons why 'sacrificing' Clarity over Shiao made sense at the time; Clarity was about to modkilled anyway. Easier to eliminate a useless scumplayer on your team and gain cred than to eliminate someone who mght actually play the game. That was brought up DAYS ago, and multiple times as well. The elimination of scum KP is not a point for people who voted for Clarity.
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On April 30 2013 06:42 Ace wrote: In trouble for what? lynching 1 scum and not the other? are you seriously this slow?
quickly: How did clarity and ShiaoPi get brought up? Go ahead and tell me how they got brought up, my computer is slow.
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Also I love how you're misdirecting right now and calling me names rather than address the points I'm bringing up. It's obvious that I'm referring to your specific derailing of the Shiao lynch to get Clarity, a likely modkill, lynched, not the fact that you killed one of possibly 2 scum. Killing scum is great, but it's HOW you went about it that worries me.
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Oh you pushed both Clarity and Shiao? Hmm.
On April 27 2013 06:51 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote: That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that he was instructed NOT to vote for Clarity. Who the fuck knows or cares. I think Shiao is a better lynch out of the two, personally, so that's where my vote is. I care and it is a pretty big deal. Just putting the pieces together: 1.)Not reading the thread which terrible Scum and terrible Town both do 2.) this is also in response to rayn: Shaio's reads are pure sheeping. He clearly wants to get rid of VE even though him and Palmar have done the same thing. Possible Scum motive too. There is a problem tho. 3.) If 2 is true - then why not push for VE to die even more? there is no big sentiment for VE dying so why would he attach himself to this?If he's Scum why not take the easier path and get rid of clarity? Doing this also saves his own ass. I can see a townie not reading the thread and not aware of the danger making this mistake, but a Scum player who has teammates? i doubt it unless the Scum team is absurdly dumb. 4.) The little tube comment is a small point in his favor. could be WIFOM but we also gave you credit for that too. 5.) This is the biggest issue here: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi from the other day. ShiaoPi (7): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Visceraeyes, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1derfrom today. Removing you, myself,rayne and getmoript from previous discussion about the Oats list look at that overlap. A confirmed Town death list and Six names pop up that coincide with both lists at some point. Look at clarity's list: Clarity_nl (4): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS, grush The only names that hit both lists are myself, rayne, and gigyas. I came off, and rayne is Town in my eyes right now. gigyas is the only non-unique name to both lists. What's the coincidence that this happens? Clairty's voting list looks far more legit relative to ShaioPi's wagon when both are matched vs the Oats' list. ShiaoPi is most likely Town at this point.
On April 27 2013 07:23 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 27 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote: You guys are heading into preflip assumption territory and its not good. Yeah, they're being bad. Ignore it. You know you're accusing BC of shitting all over town atmosphere yamato. JUST SAYIN. I'm no longer accusing BC of anything. I'm just saying, this voting analysis of wagons is inconclusive at best. Mafia vote for mafia, town vote for town, and his list of "confirmed" players may not even be accurate, lol. Ugh this is like exactly the problem I have with the approach as well. :/ And this is why I asked Ace my question earlier. I want to find out what he thinks it means specifically, otherwise it just looks like a derailing attempt. yea I am trying to derail the wagon. A wagon I helped start and now realize may be flawed. Respond to the scenarios I made instead of blanket statements. You guys want to lynch Shiao so like I did - assume he is Scum. Look at the list of events that happened and see how a Scum Shiao fits in. I'm not only using voting wagons as I outlined the Palmar sheeping too. From both angels, added in with Sharrant's case on Clarity ShiaoPi is a weaker lynch. He's just clueless townie.
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On April 30 2013 06:48 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I think I'ma check Ace tonight instead. What do you think guys? I think that's a terrible idea. I'm 100% sure Ace is town. Check to confirm the other claims. I agree with this. Not the 100% town part, but the rest.
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Be back a little later tonight.
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I'm going to bed cause fucking exhausted. Might be able to post tomorrow during the day. Random q cause I can't seem to get my mind around all this shit. What if one of the dts doesn't check who we tell them or lies? Will we know for sure if they lie? Do we lynch them then?
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Not-so-random thought: Ace is 3p poisoner. Explains 1 death tonight and my suspicions toward him last night. For the record I've never thought Ace is mafia; that's more or less impossible. 3p entirely possible.
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On April 30 2013 23:43 ShiaoPi wrote: yo guys, kill gigyas, stutters and VE thats the scum team and kush or the cobbler are 3rd party.... Lol when Shiao flips red I'm certain this was meant to try to cover up a scumbuddy. My bets are on giggles.
Oh and to clarify, I think there was only one death last night because Ace was rbed the night before so no poison kill. VE seems a likely enough target on that night (N2) since he was looking towny then already and 3p didn't risk hitting mafia and 3p doesn't want to let town get too strong so again VE a good target.
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I want to hammer so badly but at this point its anti-town since we have tons of time to discuss. I guess when people feel they're ready to end the day let me (or someone who hasn't voted) know?
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This is easily one of the most fun games I've ever played thus far guise. Though I get the feeling BH is gonna get some setup backlash once its over.
Yamato lynch ace because mafia or 3p? Remember we are going to have to find 2 more mafia and we're not all that close atm it seems.
Personally I could see Palmar and either Stutters or GigabyteS. I have to try to figure out what Palmar's check today really means; I'm also curious as to whether him not following the plan means something...?
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Fucker just hammered himself. All I can say is if he is somehow town and we have players like this we are rightly fucked. Too many people voted too early on a day we were supposed to take it slow.
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And there we are. Fuck all y'all 'cause I was right D2 also. (Except for thinking Clarity was town lol) Time to go look through a bunch of shit to see what I can seeeeeeeeeeeee
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Oh yeah, missing RB probably also explained; Shiao was afk a whole weekend, right?
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On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: List of probably town:
Bill Murray getmoript (QT thing) Vivax slot machine dude hopeless
list of maybe town:
Ace grush cheesecake kush Sylencia TheRavensName
list of who knows:
WaveofShadow Tube Drazak Clarity_nl Sharrant Yamato77 ShiaoPi
list of bloodycobblers:
BloodyCobbler
list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing):
DoctorHelvetica ObviousOne Oatsmaster giggles This post is interesting now. Note how more than half the scumteam is contained within. (If you don't believe I'm town or Sharrant is, then ignore the green) Note also instead of calling them 'somewhat scummy,' which isn't even committing to a read, (especially since he says it's based on nothing) he groups them into 'who knows' to avoid even associating the word scumy with them. CONTINUING THE REAADDDD I'll try to consolidate my next post just wanted to get this one out thar
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On May 01 2013 03:27 TheRavensName wrote: Look. No more mafia jailer. That's much more useful then clarity. Bussing looks to be a sure thing. How is jailer more useful than extra mafia KP? The only thing that made the bus a sure thing was the likelihood of Clarity's being modkilled. It's possible they follow your train of thought, but either way bus was obvious and necessary for scum.
Case on Palmar inc., though not sure if more likely scum or town yet. I'm about halfway in.
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Alright I can see that. Either way the fact that mafia have been bussing for most of this game isn't exactly news. TRN what are your thoughts on Palmar atm since I'm in the middle of analyzing him?
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On April 23 2013 18:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote: I wouldn't lynch him right now, no. Would want to hear from him first.
Don't have many full fledged opinions yet, but the people I was gonna look into next (that being tonight, have work soon) were gonna be giygas, bc and shiaopi (mainly because I don't remember much of them from reading through the thread) sup scum This one is a point FOR town Palmar becuase I can't see them making the decision to bus Clarity this early when he was actually active, unless they realized his play was so shitty he'd be going down immediately.
On April 26 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here's how i see things: Vivax was shot because he was on the right track and town read for like everyone. This means probably at least one of ShiaoPi / Clarity is mafia. If Vivax was double stacked he was likely even more right in his reads. But i don't think this is the case here. It's clear that whoever jailed Palmar thought he was town. Town jailers do not jail offensively and mafia jailers do not jail defensively on N1. As there is no other flip than Vivax' it's highly likely that Palmar was shot, because i can't see who else scum would have shot over him. I'm not even going to go to the fact that this would also require a doctor to target the same (other than Palmar) target.
So unless someone else claims shot / roleblocked it's very likely that Palmar got shot and is town.
I don't like ShiaoPi lynch because it was brought up by VE who i think is scum. If Vivax was right on both of ShiaoPi/Clarity then it doesn't matter, but if one of them is town it's probably ShiaoPi. As i think Palmar is town, i do not think he is wrong about VE. But if VE is not gonna get lynched today, i'm going to vote for Clarity over ShiaoPi.
Now, you want to bring up an entirely different target in BC. Understandable, as you seem to think he is mafia. But you also bring up reasons why ShiaoPi/Clarity might be town. That is something i do not understand. If you think BC is better lynch than them, fine, push his lynch. But the way to do it is not by discrediting other people's cases unless you actually think they are town, which you don't seem to. Agree with everything, especially that ShiaoPi is probably town and Clarity is probably scum. Here his agreement with Rayn puts VE in the position he is in if scum. The bus is more likely to have begun here, but can't be sure of stuff yet. VE was looking scummy earlier on in the game to be fair to Palmar,but he was not a likely lynch that day. The push onto VE overall though looks really bad since trying to push a 3rd possibly-town wagon when two scum are up for lynch...well......
On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote: Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This looks like the post where scum Palmar realizes his push is a bad idea.
On April 29 2013 05:56 Palmar wrote: yeah he didn't say anything interesting and wanted me to put into effort of reading someone I didn't want to read at the time so I had no interest in the topic and consequently forgot about it. On the topic of the TRN Mason QT. Says he forgot about it his story is somewhat corroborated by TRN...though I can't understand why you wouldn't interact at all with your masoner unless you worried about them picking up a read on you. The fact that Palmar uses the fact that TRN masoned him as evidence as to his towniness reads to me that he has no idea about TRN's play or the fact that he is new at the game (I picked him as town ages ago, I'm fairly sure others have as well) and so is worried about the potential for TRN outing him as scum when in fact TRN's chances of doing so as being new to Palmar's play are probably low.
On April 29 2013 06:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:56 Sharrant wrote:On April 29 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote:On April 29 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: TRN can you post the logs? I was told that is against the rules. How many posts did Palmar make? Can you please paraphrase as best you can as to his actual respones, with as little as bias as possible. 3 posts (cba checking) 1 about asking TRN why he chose me and what he hoped to achieve. 2 saying I wanted to lynch VE and hadn't read into WoS 3 the post TRN mentioned about "oats was always going to flip town". SO here he mentions I was the one TRN brought up that he didn't feel like looking into. Ok, I get that, but just the day before he says this:
On April 26 2013 04:06 Palmar wrote: Also I haven't really read much today because I think it's so blindingly obvious we should lynch VE, but if no one else has brought it up, I have very bad feelings about WaveOfShadow based on what I had read up until like 10 pages ago. Wouldn't this make me a suspect of his and someone he's likely to have read? Especially since I'm pretty sure I claimed miller before TRN's mason time ended and was super high on EVERYONE's suspicion list.
Palmar then begins to buddy up to his previous scumread in VE to try and get BC lynched. Presumably this is due to his N1 and N2 checks, which makes sense and is a point for Palmar having told the truth. (The long con is definitely possible, but is that likely to Palmar's scumplay? I don't know him that well.)
On April 29 2013 09:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 09:36 TheRavensName wrote:On April 29 2013 09:27 Palmar wrote: Look at this bloodycobbler actively hunting third parties everywhere!
Also BC, did you ever explain why it would be a better idea to vig me than to lynch me? Personally I think that would be a waste of a shot since you have night protection. I did not ask you, I wanted BC's explanation for his statement. It's one of his slips this game. He called out for a player that he knew could be active, had the support of several important townies, to be vigged.I wonder if he was simply afraid that he would never be able to mislynch me? I called Palmar out for this earlier and he never responded; which important townies had Palmar's back at this point? I didn't count many despite his crusade for action against 'the cobbler.'
On April 29 2013 10:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 10:31 Ace wrote: no, we aren't lynching syl. There is stupidity going on right now.
CC - I dont know why you checked Shiao Night 1. That is a major stretch that you check him, he gets brought up, temp cleared, and then you check sylencia. thats 2 lurkers who have no impact on the game that you checked. not buying it. especially since you just claimed, without counter claiming Palmar. If you believe Palmar is a Cop there is no point in claiming right now as you'd let BC die with your vote. If you dont believe him, you vote him off. Claiming right now to add another suspect in the pool is nonsense. its not even been an hour since your case on sylencia - you could have pushed it ot let it marinate more. Your urgency shows little thinking here.
Lastly, you also can not confirm your check. Shiao hasn't flipped. We've got 2 Cops, both unconfirmed claiming results on the same day within an hour of each other. Both that also appeared on the infamous Oats wagon analysis.
bullshit. one of you is definitely lying and both of you made a bad play here. lol Ace we ARE lynching sylencia. absolute worst case scenario is CC is scum and we lynch townies for 2 days before lynching or vigging CC in return, leaving us with plenty of townies and like 2 mafia left. something like 11 townies maybe? You're crazy if you don't lynch sylencia. I REALLY didn't like this post at the time. We know there's 3rd party and 3 scum left here so we certainly did not have 'plenty of townies.' Everything he says about being a cop though isn't provable one way or the other as of yet at this point; the rb and his checks check out. I don't know I don't like the idea that he making mislynches feel better than they actually would have been but it's such a scummy thing to post knowing the math that I don't see scum doing it.
On April 29 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 10:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I wouldn't have claimed if Palmar didn't go full retard and give us a red check without any prior checks. The situation could have turned out STUPID bad if BC was town and Palmar was actually insane cop, hedging his bets on being sane. But I like killing people so I get excited. Anyway, it's irrelevant. I had you as town read for most of the game, I've usually thought of you as nully to leaning town, and then you of course went and looked real town with grush after that hammer post. So, I don't think you're scum, which basically means I'm pretty cool with killing sylencia as he looks awful anyway, and shaiopi looks somewhat towny.
Well knowing what we know now.... I don't if anything can be said about this since everyone more or less agreed Sylencia didn't look great, but to say Shiao looked TOWNY is a GROSS overstatement. I also remember asking at some point whoever found Shiao towny, WHY did they think so and no one ever answered. Hmm.
Alright sadly I don't have much to conclude about this case. Imo the scum points outweigh the town points just based on his filter and he's had a cba attitude for much of the game. We can't even discern his alignment based on his checks either because he didn't follow the plan which looks scummy as well. If he is telling thr truth he must be either paranoid or insane (which would make him exactly the same as CC? Same role AND same alignment? Unlikely imo....) and if he's paranoid he's more or less useless, no? I dunno guys, help me out.
I'm leaning scum overall but we have nother night of NKs ahead of us before we must act.
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TRN I'd really like Ace to come back as I'd like to know what he has to say about Yamato's case, as well as Palmar.
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On May 01 2013 04:14 VisceraEyes wrote: The final two scum were on a team with 3 inactives. Is it more likely that the remaining scum are hyperactive to kind of disassociate through perceived mindset differences or whatever, or that they're also lurking through De motivation or whatever?
I would say the latter. I think the last scum are going to be semilurky angry dudes. Palmar and yamato both fit this description. Definitely gonna be some RNG rage after this game. VE I agree with you somewhat but I also worry that we've been tearing ourselves apart (with the help of a 3p who I'd argue MUST be active this game) and the 4/5 scum could be GiygaS/stutters or something stupid like that.
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On May 01 2013 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Does that seem likely to you? Wanna lynch them before Palmar, yamato or BC? Not necessarily since there's always that 'well why are they still alive' factor, amirite? We'll have to see where tonight takes us and continue to discuss until the flip. VE I will follow TRN's curiousity on this; what are your thoughts regarding Ace atm?
TRN I suppose it's possible for 3rd party not to be present this game but I find it unlikely; where does the 2nd night kill on N2 come from? Can you explain all the rbs/kills without the presence of 3rd party?
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On May 01 2013 04:43 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 01 2013 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Does that seem likely to you? Wanna lynch them before Palmar, yamato or BC? Not necessarily since there's always that 'well why are they still alive' factor, amirite? We'll have to see where tonight takes us and continue to discuss until the flip. VE I will follow TRN's curiousity on this; what are your thoughts regarding Ace atm? TRN I suppose it's possible for 3rd party not to be present this game but I find it unlikely; where does the 2nd night kill on N2 come from? Can you explain all the rbs/kills without the presence of 3rd party? Mafia JOAT/2nd Vigi? We only have one kill to point at and it was when Vigis could shoot, not night 1. 2 mafia vig in this clusterfuck of a game doesn't seem likely when town has no night KP. JOAT more likely but then that means what, they haven't used their power a 2nd time? Or the N1 Rbs were both mafia and we don't have a JK OR vigs?
I dunno...the likeliest to me seems like 3rd party poisoner but if you are right then it's scum JOAT and 3rd party survivor. (I always assume 3rd party in games like this becuase there always fucking is)
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On May 01 2013 05:00 kushm4sta wrote: what day is it? It's Christmas day. Fucking do something.
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On May 01 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 23:26 Sharrant wrote: I don't see a town jailer doing that, to be honest. My most likely scenario is:
N1: Palmar jailed (seemed to be the towniest looking Vet in a lot of people's eyes) BC RB'ed
N2: Ace Jailed (Just lynched scum) Either Ace also RB'ed or maybe RB on their shot (not sure if that messes with veteran orSK/SP protection in this game.)
N3 ??? Jailed VE RB'ed
I will be considering VE confirmed town because of this. The exception is if it was a town jailer who jailed BC, Ace was double jailed, and the jailer did not think the plan through and decided to VE because... terrible reasoning? It seems like a stretch to think of this as two town jailers.
But I would wager that Palmar and Ace were both town jailed. I guess it remains to be seen if there's another roleblocked player. But a town jailer jailing VE just does not make sense to me. This post doesn't make sense. The only way to be roleblocked in this game is to be jailed. IE for me to be roleblocked n1 requires me being jailed. As it would with Palmar. N2 we only had ace rb'ed and VE on n3. These all count as protections as well. I find it extremely unlikely that one jailkeeper is so inactive to not send in their power use for two night periods. Given that I doubt BH would be so much of an ass to not let mafia control an inactive member of their teams powers it means a town jailer has been mia 99% of the game or one of Palmar and I is lying about n1. I know what my pms say thus I say palmar and if he lied about that he sure as hell is lying about his claim. Or scum JOAT, as TRN and I discussed. That would fulfill the possibility that neither of you is lying.
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Or one of you IS scum JOAT....lol
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On May 01 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Also guys at what point are we going to discuss the viability of TRN as a lynch candidate considering we've flipped a town masoner already? Because I was waiting until more scum flipped, and it seems like now is a good time to bring up the subject. Considering the possibility of 3 fucking dts isn't completely off the table (or at least the possibility that one of you didn't actually lie) I'd believe it. I dunno I've had Raven as town all game---do you have something else to go on?
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On May 01 2013 06:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 01 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 30 2013 23:26 Sharrant wrote: I don't see a town jailer doing that, to be honest. My most likely scenario is:
N1: Palmar jailed (seemed to be the towniest looking Vet in a lot of people's eyes) BC RB'ed
N2: Ace Jailed (Just lynched scum) Either Ace also RB'ed or maybe RB on their shot (not sure if that messes with veteran orSK/SP protection in this game.)
N3 ??? Jailed VE RB'ed
I will be considering VE confirmed town because of this. The exception is if it was a town jailer who jailed BC, Ace was double jailed, and the jailer did not think the plan through and decided to VE because... terrible reasoning? It seems like a stretch to think of this as two town jailers.
But I would wager that Palmar and Ace were both town jailed. I guess it remains to be seen if there's another roleblocked player. But a town jailer jailing VE just does not make sense to me. This post doesn't make sense. The only way to be roleblocked in this game is to be jailed. IE for me to be roleblocked n1 requires me being jailed. As it would with Palmar. N2 we only had ace rb'ed and VE on n3. These all count as protections as well. I find it extremely unlikely that one jailkeeper is so inactive to not send in their power use for two night periods. Given that I doubt BH would be so much of an ass to not let mafia control an inactive member of their teams powers it means a town jailer has been mia 99% of the game or one of Palmar and I is lying about n1. I know what my pms say thus I say palmar and if he lied about that he sure as hell is lying about his claim. Or scum JOAT, as TRN and I discussed. That would fulfill the possibility that neither of you is lying. Except according to the OP JOATs can't roleblock. OOOO interesting; you're right. This means if we don't have 3p with KP then scum JOAT hasn't used their 2nd night power?
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On May 01 2013 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: We don't have enough kills for there to be an SK or poisoner do we? I mean, they oculd have been hiding it on likely medic protects or something, but both SK and poisoner are compulsive and we've gone a couple nights with 1 kill right? Only poisoner is possible if it overlapped with CC or the target got protected, or if poisoner is Ace (got rbed N2). SK impossible imo
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Who was blocked N2? Just Ace? Hmm. I'm gonna go with Shiao didn't submit and town JK for 1000$
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Oh wait. Can town JOAT JK? Cause I has a theory if so. If not its the above.
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Or Shiao stacked it. Either way amounts to same thing as him forgetting.
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How likely is a fakeclaim? I don't think I've has one in any game I've played yet. That's probably the main thng holding me back from trying for a Palmar lynch tomorrow. Also do obvious scumtells apply to him as a 'vet?k like as scum would he be obviously protecting Shiao like he was?
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Why the fuck do we have so few confirmed town this late in the game.
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On May 01 2013 08:01 kushm4sta wrote: well you got 1/4 right i think Big help, thanks as always kush.
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On May 01 2013 08:38 kushm4sta wrote: mommy make the alpha towns stop fighting.....
are wos, giggyas, and syl all still alive? Please tell me you suspect me. PLEASE.
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VE the bullshit thing on Ace you're calling him out over is probably based on all the suspicion that I was throwing at Ace all the night before, I wouldn't be too hard on him for that. Personally I still see it largely possible that Ace is 3p but the one problem I'm having with my own read/case is the defense of Shiao v Clarity only makes sense if Ace is mafia, which I highly HIGHLY doubt.
(Or Ace really deserves the title of one of the most feared scum on TL.)
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EBWOP: I'm referring to yamato btw, VE
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On May 01 2013 09:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:04 kushm4sta wrote:this is scum? i dont think so On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote: Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
How is that not "scummy" in any sense. "I still think VE is the best lynch, but ima essentially mimic thread sentiment and hop on this bandwagon now" lol kush you need to read shit. This is the exact point I gave in my case against Palmar hours ago; it points to him being scum much more than being town as BC said.
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Alright are we lynching into an active or inactive player tomorrow? Personally I think it's going to have to be active (ie the yamato/palmar group v stutters/kush/giygas). I'm not set on yamato so much just yet and I'm not sure what turned thread sentiment around so quickly, so I'm still going to be leaning Palmar who hasn't done dick all in quite a while. Wouldn't be surprised if he gave up given his scumteam. BC the one thing I find odd with one of your points against Palmar is the fact that he tried to get you lynched based on a redcheck of you with no sanity confirmation. Why would a scum Palmar do that? He obviously knows better than to think that alone would get people to listen to him.
TRN how goes the mason QT?
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On May 01 2013 10:03 Palmar wrote: Also waveofshadow is sure smart for calling me out for putting 3 scum that had literally not posted (I think?) into the null category. Whoa...it can read. BE ON YOUR GUARD PEOPLE
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On May 01 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote: If someone less lazy that me cares, then I would suggest looking at the day 2 wagons and finding people who were apathetic or fake enthusiastic about which wagon it was that won the race. Say I were to look into it; what would this prove exactly?
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GiygaS your filter is awful. Nothing but +1, no cases aside from a bare addition to CC's Sylencia case nothing but promises of doing shit while delivering nothing. You're lucky I care more about eliminating an actual threat than you atm---if we can get rid of the 3p or the probable vet/active scum, whoever he may be, you're next.
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On May 01 2013 10:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 01 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote: If someone less lazy that me cares, then I would suggest looking at the day 2 wagons and finding people who were apathetic or fake enthusiastic about which wagon it was that won the race. Say I were to look into it; what would this prove exactly? can you honestly not figure that out? Nope, I can't. Explain it to me.
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On May 01 2013 11:02 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:59 yamato77 wrote: Fine.
Why don't people want to lynch Hopeless?
Let's talk about him, since he's one person who is not Ace/BC/Palmar/VE who I feel could be mafia. Wanna give some reasoning for that before getting the rest of the town to do it for you? This fucking guy. HEY. Wtf is this?? You're calling him out for essentially EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ALL GAME?
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'That heuristic thing'.
On May 01 2013 11:13 GiygaS wrote: Well all I can say Yamato is that I'm on page 33 and have seen some things too. I completely forgot that he dissuaded the town read on Vivax. His entire day 1 was basically dedicated to that heuristic thing even long after it was done and dealt with. That said, you and Hopeless haven't done practically anything of real substance up until this point (rayn pointed out kush's lack of contribution on page 31 if you're interested).
Give me a gun. SOMEBODY GIVE ME A GUN
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Like...there's no way Giygas can be scum with shit like this, right? His team wouldn't have allowed him to....OH WAIT
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On May 01 2013 11:16 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 01 2013 11:02 GiygaS wrote:On May 01 2013 10:59 yamato77 wrote: Fine.
Why don't people want to lynch Hopeless?
Let's talk about him, since he's one person who is not Ace/BC/Palmar/VE who I feel could be mafia. Wanna give some reasoning for that before getting the rest of the town to do it for you? This fucking guy. HEY. Wtf is this?? You're calling him out for essentially EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ALL GAME? I never went :"GUYS WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS GUY?" Just because I've posted cases mostly on people already under suspicion does not mean that I haven't put work in to them. Now that I've read Yamato's post on Hopeless, I see that he's doing that either now as well. Show me, GoogleS. Show me your cases. I want to see them. And I already know about the Sylencia case. Show me.
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On May 01 2013 11:16 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 01 2013 11:02 GiygaS wrote:On May 01 2013 10:59 yamato77 wrote: Fine.
Why don't people want to lynch Hopeless?
Let's talk about him, since he's one person who is not Ace/BC/Palmar/VE who I feel could be mafia. Wanna give some reasoning for that before getting the rest of the town to do it for you? This fucking guy. HEY. Wtf is this?? You're calling him out for essentially EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ALL GAME? I never went :"GUYS WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS GUY?" Just because I've posted cases mostly on people already under suspicion does not mean that I haven't put work in to them. Now that I've read Yamato's post on Hopeless, I see that he's doing that either now as well. No no no no, good sir. You spoke in the past tense. Where are these cases you have posted on people already under suspicion? I'd like to see them, please.
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On May 01 2013 11:23 GiygaS wrote:Some other things I've noticed: Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:38 getmoript wrote:On April 22 2013 01:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't see it as particularly telling of either alignment as it was Vivax's first post. I read it and just kind of shook my head. I can follow not wanting to lynch him based on being reckless, though not with the certainty that Palmar has suggested. I'm specifically interested in the bolded. I think there's a reasonable value oddly enought to the Vivax conjecture. Anyone who posted early is more likely, as a general rule, to be town as scum are more likely consult a QT for direction and coordinate first. The problem with the heuristic is quite simply that it doesn't work for everyone equally; as a general rule, I think it's likely to be true, but without applying it to the specific people that posted early makes it more of a generally worthless statement. Sylencia -- As far as I know he is a noob, so I'm guessing more likely town then yamato--I am unaware of his scum tendencies, but don't think that posting early is indicative either way oats--AFAIK he's a vet, in the least he's towards the spammy aggressive side which makes posting early non-alignment indicative WoS--he always rolls scum so there's that I guess geript--Clearly an egotistical maniac and posted in The Game early as scum, so again non-alignment indicative Shaio--No clue as to experience, wanting to kill BM is more likely town Vivax--I'm not familiar enough with his meta, but the odd statement alone makes me think he's more likely town as I don't think he's crazy enough to spout that as scum So far, the list of people that I'm not interested in lynching today: Sylencia Vivax Shaio Palmar Here Ace defends TRN, if either come up mafia, lynch the other. Can one of the vets answer my question about Ace's activity btw? And this is dumb, because Ace is right.
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On May 01 2013 11:28 GiygaS wrote: I should note this is when sharrant was pushing on TRN and asked him what he thought. It's a soft defense, is it not? It's a fucking marshmallow defense in a pillow factory.
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Good case. I'm done guys, I'm just done.
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On May 01 2013 11:38 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Good case. I'm done guys, I'm just done. These aren't cases, these are thoughts I'm posting as I'm reading. I'll go back to note-taking and posting only if I see something, only reason I started posting as I saw stuff is someone (WONDER WHO THAT WAS) was complaining I wasn't posting my thoughts enough. Show me where I said that. Well thought-out cases that may take a while to post because critical thought is being undertaken =/= posting your thoughts every 5 seconds.
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I SORRY BH
VE, I reserve judgment on Guygas until the point where he posts something real. And Ace....goddamn it I dunno but that was funny.
I'll probably be back briefly before I go to bed.
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Yeah, I'm not 3p OO. But thanks for asking. (I didn't even consider the implications of me saying vig better than lynch with respect to 3p extra night life....dude VE is right about you)
Where DID BM go exactly? I'm still unsure as to where we're going with the lynch tomorrow...and I think that's sort of a good thing because we might actually have a day that lasts longer than 2 hours for once. See you guys in a bunch of hours.
Oh and yamato there is no way in hell Sharrant could be mafia. 3p....I dunno possible I guess for the same reasons it's possible for Ace (more likely for Ace imo) but yeah. Other than that and maybe Kush I agree with your list. Still want to see a proper giggles case at some point but yeah, I'm beginning to warm up to the fact that he's just....*something* town. No being rude.
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Alright let's see: Yamato, good fuckin' case. The most damning thing imo is the vote on Sharrant at a time where it was pretty much only him long after Clarity disappeared and Rayn had long since given up and called him (Sharrant) town; I didn't then, nor could I see now how anyone could suspect him of being mafia. The fact that Hopeless has Clarity's back on an obv bad case looks ruuullll bad even without the association. At least Rayn came up with his own stupid shit to suspect Sharrant of. (Would be nice to have Sharrant around right now though...dunno what happened to him between the first few days and now)
As for OO's case...I'm not sure I follow, sadly. The fact that BC is a vet on a team of inactives could essentially be a reason for Palmar's play as well, or a reason for someone like to Ace to step up (which he has, by comparison to other games I've played with him), and as far as the slip....I don't really get how that's a slip tbh.
OO can you expand on your case for me? The rationale makes sense to me but it just doesn't seem all the damning.
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Oh wait a minute, OO. Is it the comparison between saying you're bad therefore mafia, and then saying townies are bad?
I just caught that. Hmmmm...that IS good. I dunno now...what do??
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Cobbler--->Palmar(if BC town)--->Hopeless/3p---> win?
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On May 01 2013 23:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, Yamato's case looks stronger so I suggest we lynch the hopeless one first then move on to deal with the cobbler. I agree, but that nervousness of having so many vets alive this late in the game is kicking in. I know that rationale pisses them off but fuck 'em. Whatever I'll vote either way; we'll see what the rest of town has to say after the flip.
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On May 02 2013 01:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:04 yamato77 wrote: That whole post is about getting out of the spotlight, actually. you know what I mean dude, I don't care what it's about. The fact that he posted it means he was putting himself IN the spotlight, in order to DISSUADE Vivax' townread of several players, including flipped scum ShiaoPi. This doesn't jive with a scum mindset imo. True, but maybe it's because he didn't want to cherry-pick amongst the townreads; rather he wanted to discredit Vivax altogether, to hell with who was named specifically. I COULD see that but I do agree that from a scum mindset you'd probably want to avoid insinuating anyone on your team is scum at all unless bussing...
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On May 02 2013 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm pretty interested in BC's lack of torch and pitchfork where WoS is concerned. He seemed like dead set on Wave dying because of the miller claim. Now? Not so much... Haha this. I'd like to think at this point people consider me town (I could be wrong) but I wanted to wait to see if anyone would bring it up and why.
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Anyone willing to bet Ace was RBed again? e have our 3p gentlemen.
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On May 02 2013 04:10 Palmar wrote: checked VE, got guilty, am paranoid Wait I gotta ask about this...in The Game I checked a couple people who died at night, and I didn't get returns back.
Geript did you guys RB me every night but N1?
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On May 02 2013 04:53 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 02 2013 04:10 Palmar wrote: checked VE, got guilty, am paranoid Wait I gotta ask about this...in The Game I checked a couple people who died at night, and I didn't get returns back. Geript did you guys RB me every night but N1? right. We RB'd you every night after you claimed and you claimed on D2. Ok just making sure. I never was sure if you'd still get a return on a check if the target died. So what do YOU want to do today?
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On May 02 2013 05:06 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 02 2013 04:53 getmoript wrote:On May 02 2013 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 02 2013 04:10 Palmar wrote: checked VE, got guilty, am paranoid Wait I gotta ask about this...in The Game I checked a couple people who died at night, and I didn't get returns back. Geript did you guys RB me every night but N1? right. We RB'd you every night after you claimed and you claimed on D2. Ok just making sure. I never was sure if you'd still get a return on a check if the target died. So what do YOU want to do today? Drink beer and relax, you? As for a check on dead players... idk I think it depends per mod. Honestly, I think who I want to kill very much depends on who was roleblocked etc. Like, if we think that there could be a SP, then I want to lynch the fuck out of Ace. If we got a vigilante claim, then I'd wholly ignore Ace. My count is 16 players, so 14-2 or 13-2-1; If it's the latter than we lynch Ace and make it easy. If it's the former then we have 5 mislynches available at least, maybe 6 dependent. Right now, considering the pace of the game I just want to lynch lurkers. It gives us a very good idea of what type of scum team and setup we're looking at in 2-3 days Let's do work, you and I. Personally I'm still pretty sure we have a 3rd party, and it's not SK, it's poisoner. It makes the most sense as to why we only had one night with 2 kills; I've explained previously why I think it's likely to be Ace. It's also the simplest explanation if you take RBs into account; rather than try to account for missing kills and whatnot due to stacking of RBs AND kills, I think it was that on N2 both scum and town RBed Ace and that was it. We don't have any vigs because we'd have more people dead---yours truly being one of them. Or they hit 3p with an extra night life in which case they should REALLY claim, but I figure if that were the case they would have done that a while ago. Whoever our JK is has been doing a great job.
Now we can continue to RB Ace as it seems we only have to worry about one death a night that way, or we can let the JK target someone else if people want to be absolutely sure of him since the kills are compulsive. That requires us lynching mafia 2 days in a row (though obv we have room for mislynches at worst) since the poisoner NK takes an extra day. As far as lynch targets goes are we sure we want to lynch into lurkers? VE wanted yamato gone but thought there was some merit to the BC case? Do we want to follow him or OO or head in a different direction? Personally I am a little worried that none of Ace/Palmar/BC/(BM?) have gone down yet so I feel like I'm more likely to vet lynch today---that heuristic does seem to hold value that they're alive for a reason. I think it's more important that we lynch mafia today than Ace (assuming 3p) since he's been kept at bay thus far.
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Also if you'll notice Ace has been a lot less active and helpful now that he's been RBed every night---he knows he's been caught imo.
It's going to come down to mafia hunting now.
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Thinking about it now I'm pretty sure Hopeless has the biggest chance to flip red, followed by BC. Yamato's activity has stayed constant even while mafia comes closer and closer to losing the game while Hopeless and BC's activity levels have trailed off big time as they become demoralized. I know activity level isn't always a good tell but this game it certainly has been.
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On May 02 2013 05:53 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 02 2013 05:06 getmoript wrote:On May 02 2013 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 02 2013 04:53 getmoript wrote:On May 02 2013 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 02 2013 04:10 Palmar wrote: checked VE, got guilty, am paranoid Wait I gotta ask about this...in The Game I checked a couple people who died at night, and I didn't get returns back. Geript did you guys RB me every night but N1? right. We RB'd you every night after you claimed and you claimed on D2. Ok just making sure. I never was sure if you'd still get a return on a check if the target died. So what do YOU want to do today? Drink beer and relax, you? As for a check on dead players... idk I think it depends per mod. Honestly, I think who I want to kill very much depends on who was roleblocked etc. Like, if we think that there could be a SP, then I want to lynch the fuck out of Ace. If we got a vigilante claim, then I'd wholly ignore Ace. My count is 16 players, so 14-2 or 13-2-1; If it's the latter than we lynch Ace and make it easy. If it's the former then we have 5 mislynches available at least, maybe 6 dependent. Right now, considering the pace of the game I just want to lynch lurkers. It gives us a very good idea of what type of scum team and setup we're looking at in 2-3 days Let's do work, you and I. Personally I'm still pretty sure we have a 3rd party, and it's not SK, it's poisoner. It makes the most sense as to why we only had one night with 2 kills; I've explained previously why I think it's likely to be Ace. It's also the simplest explanation if you take RBs into account; rather than try to account for missing kills and whatnot due to stacking of RBs AND kills, I think it was that on N2 both scum and town RBed Ace and that was it. We don't have any vigs because we'd have more people dead---yours truly being one of them. Or they hit 3p with an extra night life in which case they should REALLY claim, but I figure if that were the case they would have done that a while ago. Whoever our JK is has been doing a great job. Now we can continue to RB Ace as it seems we only have to worry about one death a night that way, or we can let the JK target someone else if people want to be absolutely sure of him since the kills are compulsive. That requires us lynching mafia 2 days in a row (though obv we have room for mislynches at worst) since the poisoner NK takes an extra day. As far as lynch targets goes are we sure we want to lynch into lurkers? VE wanted yamato gone but thought there was some merit to the BC case? Do we want to follow him or OO or head in a different direction? Personally I am a little worried that none of Ace/Palmar/BC/(BM?) have gone down yet so I feel like I'm more likely to vet lynch today---that heuristic does seem to hold value that they're alive for a reason. I think it's more important that we lynch mafia today than Ace (assuming 3p) since he's been kept at bay thus far. I think the right call would be to give a night off of RBing Ace. It's an easy way to exclude him as 3p which just leaves town imo. Doesn't take that long and only costs us 1 and I don't think it even costs us a mislynch. So I don't see a reason to lynch ace currently. Alright well we need to be sure there's no way scum can fuck this up for us then. As far as I can tell they don't have a RB let and no way of getting alternate NKs so assuming we drop the JK on Ace someone will die N6? Would be nice if we can lynch at LEAST one scum by that point so we're still in no danger of losing by the time we have to lynch him and lose an extra townie.
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Here's a noodle-scratcher btw, where is Sharrant, and why exactly isn't he dead? Like...I know he's been town all game but why exactly has he lurked it up the past few days after contributing a ton on the first few days? I would think that scum would find him threat enough to target for NKs (at least moreso than Rayn) but I guess not? Not killing Sharrant over CC and VE makes sense I guess but something still strikes me as odd. I guess they killed Rayn as a gamble that they could frame me instead of getting rid of someone more useful at the time then they had to kill cops?
Where are you Sharrant?! Help us scour the streets of filth!
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On May 02 2013 05:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, Where oh where has Bill Murray the town hero gone? This. Too many people have fucked off in this game and it's a very easy way to lose. Geript you mentioned you think yamato is scum. Is he your first choice for a mafia lynch today?
Got a case?
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On May 02 2013 06:27 Ace wrote: We lynch Palmar Good reasoning. I'm pretty sure Palmar isn't on the block for today unless you can come up with something that puts him above everyone else we've been talking about.
At least lazy as fuck paranoid cop fits with how he's been playing all game, as unhelpful as it is. You on the other hand are completely different from how you've been playing just a few days ago. Were you roleblocked? Or did you conveniently forget to mention it again?
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On May 02 2013 06:40 Stutters695 wrote: Wasn't the discussion a couple days ago that one cop was probably lying? Palmar happens to be paranoid after claiming cop without knowing his sanity while trying to lynch BC for a check? Is there something in his filter you see that really makes him town I'm missing? Nothing about that REALLY makes him town but to pull that shit as scum and trying to do it in earnest doesn't make much sense either. I forget whose idea this was but I COULD see it being an attempt to protect BC if they were both scum considering no one would take his read seriously. Ugh the end of this game is gonna be tough.
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On May 02 2013 07:24 GiygaS wrote: Just catching up, and still on only page 120 of the re-read due to sleep + school. However, we should NOT lynch Palmar. He has a huge town read for me as his first finger pointing for mafia was Clarity on day 1, along with BM. Both of them can not be scum in my eyes for that reason, unless one of them straight up slips. Devil's advocate time, as I mostly agree that Palmar shouldn't be lynched today. Did you read my case on Palmar Guygas? Notice how I am able to use this same evidence as a scumtell due to him pointing out Clarity as a possible early bus since Clarity was already gone for a while by that point?
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On May 02 2013 08:01 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 07:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 02 2013 07:24 GiygaS wrote: Just catching up, and still on only page 120 of the re-read due to sleep + school. However, we should NOT lynch Palmar. He has a huge town read for me as his first finger pointing for mafia was Clarity on day 1, along with BM. Both of them can not be scum in my eyes for that reason, unless one of them straight up slips. Devil's advocate time, as I mostly agree that Palmar shouldn't be lynched today. Did you read my case on Palmar Guygas? Notice how I am able to use this same evidence as a scumtell due to him pointing out Clarity as a possible early bus since Clarity was already gone for a while by that point? My counter point being that this was day 1 (page 54) that Palmar initially called Clarity scum (a simple "sup scum"). This was only 3 pages after Clarity posted his case on Sharrant. Clarity was not already gone for a while by that point, so this is straight up false. Yup I noticed that as well and neglected to mention it when I was making my case as I was confirmation biasing hard initially. By the end of the case its fairly evident I'm not so sure anymore but he had more scum points than town. That one 'sup scum' on its own...just don't see any reason at all scum would do that. It could be Palmar isn't playing a lazy as fuck town game and has me confused the whole time but yeah I'm not lynching him ahead of other suspects today.
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Sure, why the fudge not. ##Vote: Hopeless1nder I'll change to BC if that's who we decide on I guess; I can't see it being anyone but those two today.
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On May 02 2013 10:39 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:31 yamato77 wrote: There's zero reason not to lynch Hopeless.
Zero. Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote: The one problem I have with considering Hopeless scum is this:
In his first big post (where he goes to all the trouble of showing why Vivax' assumption is bogus)...if he's scum with ShiaoPi, WHY would he go to all the trouble to tell Vivax how wrong he is? One of the scumteam's (presumably) newer players being considered at least a little townie based on almost nothing...why would he try and talk Vivax out of this? Why put HIMSELF in the spotlight in this way? Kush I already explained the possible reasoning for that.
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Also are BM and Sharrant just done playing? Been 36 hours since a BM post.
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This reminds me of...fuck what game was it? Damn it I gotta look back. A recent game...probably Hydra 2 or Ego? We had cornered scum and told them: 'best thing you can do right now if you're town is help us out, do absolutely anything to look town.'
They didn't.
They were scum.
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On May 02 2013 11:13 WaveofShadow wrote: This reminds me of...fuck what game was it? Damn it I gotta look back. A recent game...probably Hydra 2 or Ego? We had cornered scum and told them: 'best thing you can do right now if you're town is help us out, do absolutely anything to look town.'
They didn't.
They were scum. Yeah I can't fucking find it. Ignore me I guess I'm talking out my ass again.
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Also ##Unvote because I don't want any retarded hammering just yet and we're getting close. There are a bunch of people I want to hear something substantial (or at all) from on this matter.
Consider my vote on Hopeless in spirit and I will gladly vote once we decide we're ready to end the day.
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I just skimmed through your post and just from what I see here it doesn't look good. You 'haven't gotten to' arguably the most important people on this list, that is, the only ones who are likely to be lynched today.
Who the fuck needs a townread on me and fucking OO? We need reads on Palmar, BC, and (slightly less so) Ace but instead you give us reads that don't matter worth a dick right now where the game is at.
Your scumbro is gonna be pissed at you when you flip because you just let us know that we're aimed in the right direction.
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Ok finished reading. Your reads are inexcusable this late into a game with 200+ pages. I think the only one I liked was the read on BM because it outlines exactly how much he flip flopped all over the place with his reads and didn't have any real direction whatsoever. And now he's been gone forever.
But yeah, Hopeless, this isn't going to gain you any towncred. I'm fairly sure anyone in the game at this point could have made the same 'reads' as you and you have added exactly nothing new in terms of insight into the people you read into. I eagerly await your reads on the final few; those are more likely to be the ones that pique my interests,
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On May 02 2013 13:21 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Your reads are inexcusable this late into a game with 200+ pages. LOL i hope you never want to lynch me because my reads would receive 1/50th of the effort he gave. I'm all but ignoring you at this point into the game, Kush.
Looking back through Hopeless a little bit I found a couple of interesting things I don't think anyone has noticed yet. Hopeless is probably one of the only people who has considered me town from the get-go, INCLUDING my miller claim.
On April 28 2013 10:59 Hopeless1der wrote: He's trying to avoid a bullet, not the rope. I get where your coming from but his claim isn't the dumbest thing i could think of. BM trying to push kush outranks wos' claim, but I think all parties are town right now. (You, kush, bm, wos) He believes my reasoning for the claim at face value and argues with a tunnely Rayn for quite a while about such. I'll get back to this.
Also interesting to note here is him calling BM town here, when just now he calls BM his only scumread essentially. What has changed between now and then?
NOTHING.
Looking at the timestamps, Hopeless calls BM town at 11 KST on April 28, yet the very posts he calls BM scummy for happen 4 hours earlier ON THE SAME DAY. If he was TRULY reading at the time he originally posted this he would have no reason to call BM towny since according to his recent reasoning BM would still be scum. Big contradiction here. Now back to me.
When I claimed the entire thread was out to get me. Hell the thread was looking to kill me before I claimed (hence the claim but we've been over that) the only person who believes the claim at face value is Hopeless. Even OO, who comes to my defense later on along with Ace, agrees earlier on that he doesn't like it but they have no choice but to shoot me. I argue that shooting me would have been the right call to make and mostly everyone realizes this....except Hopeless. Why? HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Wants easy towncred. Pretty simple.
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On May 02 2013 13:30 yamato77 wrote: It's really obvious he's mafia.
Geript, I am not mafia. There's zero good reason left to think so. Even Ace isn't pushing me, and is fine with a Hopeless lynch. To be fair, Ace is a terrible example right now given his situation. Geript I'm pretty over yamato as mafia right now. I am interested to hear why you think Hopeless is not scum though---can you separate your bias and give me an objective reason?
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On May 02 2013 13:28 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I just skimmed through your post and just from what I see here it doesn't look good. You 'haven't gotten to' arguably the most important people on this list, that is, the only ones who are likely to be lynched today.
Who the fuck needs a townread on me and fucking OO? We need reads on Palmar, BC, and (slightly less so) Ace but instead you give us reads that don't matter worth a dick right now where the game is at.
Your scumbro is gonna be pissed at you when you flip because you just let us know that we're aimed in the right direction. i literally went in order of the signup list. Also ace is there already. Finally, if/when i flip town you can suck a dick. I told you I'd get to them tomorrow and I damn well will. Do you disagree with my townreads? If so, why? Process of elimination is a valid scumhunting method especially with a minimum of 4 mislynches available. Anyways I'm going to bed. Night. Alright I'll believe that, and yes I saw the Ace post, which essentially amounts to 'I agree with everything that's already been said 3 times.' these aren't helpful reason when you're simply restating points other people have brought up. That is the problem I have with your reads right now. I don't necessarily disagree with them, but it's not important to me right now whether I agree with them or not.
The points I brought up against you just now? Totally unique to the thread. Are they good points? We have yet to see. Picking out a random post from a person's filter and reiterating previous reads are not going to help give us info if you somehow happen to flip green.
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On May 02 2013 13:34 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:30 yamato77 wrote: It's really obvious he's mafia.
Geript, I am not mafia. There's zero good reason left to think so. Even Ace isn't pushing me, and is fine with a Hopeless lynch. I'm still not sold on you not being mafia. Even if you aren't mafia, then it's pretty obvious that you haven't been playing well at all this game. So you calling someone scum makes me not want to sheep you because you're likely tilted and wrong. Sheep me instead. Or better yet, don't sheep at all and have a look at Hopeless yourself and see what you can find, scummy or otherwise.
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On May 02 2013 13:40 Ace wrote: @getmoript: even if you dont believe yamato we're better off lynching the least active players as we get closer to lylo. With so many mislynches left its the better decision to lynch hopeless1nder. Then why aren't we lynching Stutters? Or hell, Sharrant and BM?
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See Geript, I think it worries me more that Ace is on board than yamato.
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Jesus that BC case. Sorry Artanis, but Hopeless is looking a lot scummier to me atm. I''m almost ready to hammer right now, but I know Sharrant wanted us to wait. Should we give him some time and see what he comes up with? I don't want the hopeless lynch to get derailed if we wait TOO long, but at the same time I guess there isn't any rush.
I'll kep my vote off for now but I'm looking to hammer today at some point. Also 48h since a BM post? Isn't he one of those guys who gets banned frequently from mafia or something?
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On May 03 2013 01:29 Palmar wrote: so wait, we just confirmed Ace as 3p?
gj yamato you're boss. dafuq. How did yamato make this possible?
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On May 03 2013 03:01 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 02:02 Sharrant wrote:On May 03 2013 01:29 Palmar wrote: so wait, we just confirmed Ace as 3p?
gj yamato you're boss. ... Palmar, it kinda sounds like you're admitting to being mafia here. I'm much more okay with your lynch now. Only people ace being confirmed third party to is mafia. No, he's actually confirmed 3P Town Vig would have claimed, unless he's really bad, but I doubt there is one anyway. We have had: 1 Unaware Miller 1 DT 1 Parity Cop All flip, plus: 1 DT Claim 1 Aware Miller Claim 1 Confirmed Mason Unless you think one of Palmar/WoS/TRN is lying/actually mafia, then it's almost certain that we don't have a town vigilante. Been saying this foeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I don't want to lynch Ace yet though, it's more important that we remove real threats atm. As long as we keep Ace under wraps there is no reason to lynch him until we need to. Plus then what are we even going to do with our JK?
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On May 03 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 03:02 yamato77 wrote: Oh, and I'm certain that there is a town JK, and I'm fairly sure I know who he is. That's not a certainty that we have a jk. Scum already flipped their jk so if ace is SP he's going to lie, say he's rbed and bank on that until town flips a non-resistant jk while arguing that he's being blocked so it can't be him. He doesn't have another path to his win con that I can see. Yeah I was about to say this makes no sense at all since SP/SK are compulsive and we've had no one die every time Ace was RBed. I think when Ace was RBed the first couple times he did his duty and claimed it to the thread so as not to seem suspicious, but once we started to catch on to him he was more and more reluctant to do so. Just an extra little point against him.
Anyway....Hopeless. Would still be nice to hear from some more people on the matter....I'm really not liking how quiet everyone seems to be regarding this lynch.
Oh and for those waiting for Palmar's promised case....what happened last time Palmar promised something, huh?
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Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet.
Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this:
Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game.
##Vote: Hopeless1der
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On May 03 2013 05:35 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet. Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der How are you failing at reading so hard? If a scum vigi shot on night 2 it would be exactly the same as if a serial poisoner acted on night one. Please keep up. Lynching him hurts town right now. I hate playing follow the cop, it's just boring. I'm waffling on lynching Hopeless right now, going to try and figure out if I want to lynch Yamato more or less. Scum vigi had absolutely no reason to shoot Grush and if you're assuming it was a scum vigi shot that means you're assuming there is no KP 3rd party (meaning likely survivor). Possible but unlikely to me.
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On May 03 2013 05:43 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:34 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 03 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote: Well, it's painfully obvious to me that we should just RNG between Ace/Hopeless/BC and insta-lynch them.
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Hopeless Cobbler Ace Timestamp: 2013-05-02 19:20:03 UTC
Random.org has spoken. We lynch Hopeless.You are advocating me (i know I am town) and Ace who is either 3p or town, and hopeless who given the context of the last few pages could easily be town or mafia. However Given I know you don't give two shits now about finding scum in any logical manner and have been trying to get Ace lynched first off this list (because he might be 3rd off a ton of wifom bullshit). You go first. No town member should be advocating a potential 3rd party player when we have mafia still alive. Especially when said potential third party has been pushing mafia lynches a fair bit this game. The only one who would give two shits about mafia dying quickly is rita skeeter as she wins if the game ends on any sides victory. Plain and simple you are mafia. I cannot believed I have waffled so much about this all game. Lol, you're bad. Hey, Yamato, do you remember how I knew you were scum the first game we played together? Can you remember exactly what it was? I'll give you a hint, I didn't notice it before, but you did exactly the same thing in this game. Your play since then has been very different, but this play was virtually identical. This interests me.
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How so yamato? Also wtf Sharrant you accuse me of not reading then you say this?
On May 03 2013 05:35 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet. Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der How are you failing at reading so hard? If a scum vigi shot on night 2 it would be exactly the same as if a serial poisoner acted on night one. Please keep up. Lynching him hurts town right now.I hate playing follow the cop, it's just boring. I'm waffling on lynching Hopeless right now, going to try and figure out if I want to lynch Yamato more or less.
On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet.Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Show nested quote +Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der
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On May 01 2013 10:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 01 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote: If someone less lazy that me cares, then I would suggest looking at the day 2 wagons and finding people who were apathetic or fake enthusiastic about which wagon it was that won the race. Say I were to look into it; what would this prove exactly? can you honestly not figure that out? I just remembered this and though I'd post it. What do people think of Palmar's: "This is where you should go scumhunt but I won't explain how or why. Go, minions, do my work for me."
Also I need to think on the current lynch wagons right now. What are the consequences of us being wrong about either of them, ie who would be the next logical choice if we were wrong based solely on the game until this point?
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On May 03 2013 05:52 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:49 WaveofShadow wrote:How so yamato? Also wtf Sharrant you accuse me of not reading then you say this? On May 03 2013 05:35 Sharrant wrote:On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet. Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der How are you failing at reading so hard? If a scum vigi shot on night 2 it would be exactly the same as if a serial poisoner acted on night one. Please keep up. Lynching him hurts town right now.I hate playing follow the cop, it's just boring. I'm waffling on lynching Hopeless right now, going to try and figure out if I want to lynch Yamato more or less. On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet.Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der Because I clearly explained where the vigi (if the scum have another vigi) had fired, and you were saying that the scum wouldn't have withheld their shot. It made no sense in the context of the conversation. It's completely out of place. I said it's possible scum could have fired on n2 if they had a second vigi, killing grush, and it would appear just the same as if a third party had done it. You responded with "Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet." You're right, I didn't read that properly. Then you tell me 'LYNCHING ACE HURTS TOWN' when I already told you I agree with you.
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Grush was not towny as fuck, he STARSENSES then fucks off every game. Yes he's town but his play is mostly anti-towny and is basically a gift for mafia. Look at what happened in LX.
No reason to kill a useless town player when there are bigger fish to fry.
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On May 03 2013 06:21 Palmar wrote: also, for anyone thinking BM is scum I have a pretty damn strong town read on him. I had to filter him and read back on past games in PYP mafia, and I ended up making a short case on him day since he was mafia.
Then when this game started I noticed a completely different BM playing, so I'm almost certain he is not scum. Totally useful, thanks Palmar.
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On May 03 2013 06:24 yamato77 wrote: VOTE TO LYNCH BLOODYCOBBLER Narp. I don't think I will.
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I've answered this before, but as Sharrant seems to advocate, 'patience and repetition.' I find Hopeless scummier and want him dead today. I am not as sure of BC being a good lynch as I am of Hopeless.
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On May 03 2013 06:30 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I've answered this before, but as Sharrant seems to advocate, 'patience and repetition.' I find Hopeless scummier and want him dead today. I am not as sure of BC being a good lynch as I am of Hopeless. well then you're bad at this game. grats. P.S. I was the only person to believe your miller claim because I actually apply critical thinking to the context of things. The fact that you still think I'm scum is astounding. Your words, they are like daggers in my heart.
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Hopeless you want Palmar lynched today? How exactly do you plan on making that happen?
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On May 03 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 03 2013 06:21 Palmar wrote: also, for anyone thinking BM is scum I have a pretty damn strong town read on him. I had to filter him and read back on past games in PYP mafia, and I ended up making a short case on him day since he was mafia.
Then when this game started I noticed a completely different BM playing, so I'm almost certain he is not scum. Totally useful, thanks Palmar. Do you sincerely think this information is not useful? Don't be facetious; you know exactly what I meant. That information is completely irrelevant at a point in time where we're trying to figure out who to lynch for the dayn and BM hasn't been around in 60 hours. Probably gonna get modkilled too.
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This game is starting to piss me off. My vote stands; you lurky fucks can figure things out for a change if you want somebody lynched.
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My point is NOBODY SUGGESTED BM WAS SCUM AT THIS POINT. We clearly have 3-4 people lined up to lynch; where does BM factor in to those? Acting smug isn't going to help you, it only makes you look like a jerk
Maybe I'll be back later if somebody flips.
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I don't think Artanis is mafia, though what happened to the big push on BC?
As for whether to lynch Ace or no, each side makes halfway decent points. I don't necessarily agree with 'freeing up our JK' since out of like 10-11 townies you have to choose the right one? We're going to lose someone tonight either way so I'm not sure what the strength of that point is. I also disagree with Sharant's 'second vigi' theory which I've already explained but I'm still not voting Ace.
This day is going absolutely nowhere and the longer it takes the more I'm likely to do something fucking stupid and change my vote to someting I don't truly want just for a flip. Ugh.
Also Palmar, regarding the last page or so. I'm not an idiot; you're being deliberately lazy and unhelpful by not assisting us with our current dilemmas. I'm not saying your read isn't useful for when you flip but there is a time and place, and rather than help us decide our lynch for the day, you post a read on BM that no one needs right now. Why not post a read like that at night if you're so afraid you're going to die? Don't you dare try to bully me or others into agreeing with you.
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On May 03 2013 23:23 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 23:20 TheRavensName wrote: Also, you really think we have a jailer, a medic, 2 masons , and 3 cops? Thats crazy. No, our one protection role is wasted chillling on ace which means Mafia knows that they can kill whoever they want. Quite frankly, no, I'm not convinced WE have 2 masons. I'm convinced there ARE 2 masons. Nor am I convinced we have 3 cops, but that's discussion for tomorrow. Wait a minute. So according to this you think there's still a scum mason and vigi, and Palmar is lying therefore he must be one of those or 3p? AND you think Hopeless is mafia? Where does Ace fit into this? Your final 3 must be hopeless/palmar/ace then? I don't think this is discussion for tomorrow because clearly today isn't decided yet.
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On May 03 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 23:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 03 2013 23:23 Sharrant wrote:On May 03 2013 23:20 TheRavensName wrote: Also, you really think we have a jailer, a medic, 2 masons , and 3 cops? Thats crazy. No, our one protection role is wasted chillling on ace which means Mafia knows that they can kill whoever they want. Quite frankly, no, I'm not convinced WE have 2 masons. I'm convinced there ARE 2 masons. Nor am I convinced we have 3 cops, but that's discussion for tomorrow. Wait a minute. So according to this you think there's still a scum mason and vigi, and Palmar is lying therefore he must be one of those or 3p? AND you think Hopeless is mafia? Where does Ace fit into this? Your final 3 must be hopeless/palmar/ace then? I don't think this is discussion for tomorrow because clearly today isn't decided yet. I don't understand your line of thought. Because I am not convinced of something, I must assume everything is false? No, I'm working through the most likely outcomes. Yes, Palmar is a discussion for another day and I will not speak more of it. I've never disagreed with Ace being third party, I've said often that I think it's the most likely, but is otherwise solvable without his death. To consider it confirmed, you are either making a stupid assumption, or you have information that only the mafia has. I am not convinced of TRN's alignment, he could be town or scum mason. It is possible that scum have a vigi. It is possible Palmar is lying, a paranoid cop being one of the safest claims possible. I do not have a final 3. There are a few people who have done a decent job of making themselves look townie, but beyond them everyone is suspect. That's what feels so frustrating at this point. Artanis could be defending either BC or Hopeless with his actions, but I'd rather lynch Hopeless today because of BC's connection to Palmar, and I want more time before I tackle that mess. It's also 'possible' that there are 2 mafia left and 3 3rd party roles, but at what point do you actually make a point in shifting your views to what is 'most likely' rather than considering every option all of the time to no end?
Completely off-topic thought: GiygaS where the fuck are you? I had actually begun to seriously consider you town but now I see you were just responding to the pressure I had put on you at the time and you've fucked off again. You scum?
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We could end this right now if the people voting for outliers just made up their minds; clearly yamato is not going down today, and I doubt BC is either.
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##Unvote ##Vote: Ace Fuck it I'm really getting sick of waiting. And as much as I wanna hammer I have no idea when anyone else will show up to switch votes. Hopefully the night kill will give us some clue as to whom to get rid of tomorrow. My money's still on Hopeless.
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L-1 come on somebody END DAT BISH
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On May 04 2013 00:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: J'accuse!! Fixed.
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NIGHTPOST IT UP IAMPPPPPP
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Yay I read someone right for once. Sharrant, can you clarify this for me?
On April 30 2013 06:48 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I think I'ma check Ace tonight instead. What do you think guys? I think that's a terrible idea. I'm 100% sure Ace is town. Check to confirm the other claims.
On May 03 2013 05:02 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 04:42 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 04:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On May 03 2013 04:34 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote: why the fuck is ace in that list? Should I care with which order I lynch anti-town elements in this game? Yes considering Ace's KP is controlled atm Only if you assume the JK plays along with our plan, and mafia doesn't already know who he is. If I can figure it out, I'm sure they aren't that stupid. The only exception to the following is thus: You think Ace is mafia and bussed 2 of his teammates, and possibly a third. No, it's quite demonstrably anti-town to lynch Ace. It's been explained several times. There are three situations where you lynch Ace: One: At least one night before LyLo. Two: If the jailer dies to a night kill. Even if the jailer dies to a night kill, Ace will still be RB'ed and thus cannot kill anyone, and he can be lynched without losing any townies. Three: We have 5 dead mafia and the game has not ended. Why do you people not understand this? Ace is not in any way shape or form confirmed third party. He is the only candidate that could be third party (aside from a survivor) but lynching him is ANTI-TOWN. Lynching him now means we give another night to the mafia members in return for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Unless our jailer pops up and goes "I'm not RB'ing Ace tonight" then there's no reason to lynch him. On top of that, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HE'S NOT THIRD PARTY. If there's a scum Vigi still left alive (which is just as likely in my books as Ace being mafia just due to set up analysis) it would explain the exact same scenario we are in. So anyone not looking at that like it's a possibility is either not using their brain, or is mafia trying to push an agenda. Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation.TLDR; There's never a situation in which Ace kills a townie unless our jailer dies AND we spend the following day not lynching Ace. Ace is a bad lynch today. I don't want to have to argue this anymore, I'm going to go read stuff, and if anyone tries to dispute this and cannot prove even a single specific scenario where this breaks down, I will just assume you're mafia and go from there because you will be pushing anti-town agendas with the knowledge that it has no benefit to town, and only helps mafia.
I know it's not necessarily alignment-indicative that you basically hard-defended him all day since he's 3p and all and doesn't have teammates, but why were you so goddamned stubborn?
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On May 04 2013 01:20 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 01:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: As expected. Tomorrow, we lynch the cobbler. JK, whoever you are, assign a value on everyone based on the likeliness you think of them getting hit, then RNG between it. (for example. 50% player A 25% player B 25% player C, you RNG from 1-4 and on 1-2 you protect player A, 3 player B, 4 player C). Hopeless, case on TRN please. Everyone else, no opinions on TRN please. Let Hopeless make up his own mind. Should I be hurt your singling out me? Your grammar/spelling hurts me, Raven.
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Wat. Iamp we already got the nightpost.
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On May 04 2013 01:32 Stutters695 wrote: Never rolled scum period but when I do I can assure you I'll be an easy catch. Every game I drop scenarios about what I would do as scum as part of my questioning/why I find someone scummy. It's probably going to bite me in the ass hard when I roll scum but I'd rather have a readable and predictable town game when the odds are always in favor of rolling town. lol I asked Dandel about this when inquiring as to what the longest anyone has gone without rolling scum on TL and he mentioned you. Not including this game, how many games has it been? (Have you ever rolled 3rd party?)
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On May 04 2013 02:05 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 04 2013 01:32 Stutters695 wrote: Never rolled scum period but when I do I can assure you I'll be an easy catch. Every game I drop scenarios about what I would do as scum as part of my questioning/why I find someone scummy. It's probably going to bite me in the ass hard when I roll scum but I'd rather have a readable and predictable town game when the odds are always in favor of rolling town. lol I asked Dandel about this when inquiring as to what the longest anyone has gone without rolling scum on TL and he mentioned you. Not including this game, how many games has it been? (Have you ever rolled 3rd party?) No 3p and off of memory (plus the database for the really old games) it's something like this: NMMXXIV NMMXXVI NMMXXVII NMMXXVIII Whose Line Mini Yet Another Normal Mini Personality 2 Themed Game Mafia MTG Mini II Mafia LIX I believe that puts me at 10. All VT unless they were themed. I'm so boring lol ALL VT? Jesus you win, bro. I've at least had a blue role a couple times I think. Not sure where miller counts...still think it's VT.
Aaaaaanyway. Why is Hopeless not on your list of scum, BC?
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BC, what do you think of my earlier case on Palmar?
On May 01 2013 03:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: List of probably town:
Bill Murray getmoript (QT thing) Vivax slot machine dude hopeless
list of maybe town:
Ace grush cheesecake kush Sylencia TheRavensName
list of who knows:
WaveofShadow Tube Drazak Clarity_nl Sharrant Yamato77 ShiaoPi
list of bloodycobblers:
BloodyCobbler
list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing):
DoctorHelvetica ObviousOne Oatsmaster giggles This post is interesting now. Note how more than half the scumteam is contained within. (If you don't believe I'm town or Sharrant is, then ignore the green) Note also instead of calling them 'somewhat scummy,' which isn't even committing to a read, (especially since he says it's based on nothing) he groups them into 'who knows' to avoid even associating the word scumy with them. CONTINUING THE REAADDDD I'll try to consolidate my next post just wanted to get this one out thar
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 18:24 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote: I wouldn't lynch him right now, no. Would want to hear from him first.
Don't have many full fledged opinions yet, but the people I was gonna look into next (that being tonight, have work soon) were gonna be giygas, bc and shiaopi (mainly because I don't remember much of them from reading through the thread) sup scum This one is a point FOR town Palmar becuase I can't see them making the decision to bus Clarity this early when he was actually active, unless they realized his play was so shitty he'd be going down immediately. Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote:On April 26 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here's how i see things: Vivax was shot because he was on the right track and town read for like everyone. This means probably at least one of ShiaoPi / Clarity is mafia. If Vivax was double stacked he was likely even more right in his reads. But i don't think this is the case here. It's clear that whoever jailed Palmar thought he was town. Town jailers do not jail offensively and mafia jailers do not jail defensively on N1. As there is no other flip than Vivax' it's highly likely that Palmar was shot, because i can't see who else scum would have shot over him. I'm not even going to go to the fact that this would also require a doctor to target the same (other than Palmar) target.
So unless someone else claims shot / roleblocked it's very likely that Palmar got shot and is town.
I don't like ShiaoPi lynch because it was brought up by VE who i think is scum. If Vivax was right on both of ShiaoPi/Clarity then it doesn't matter, but if one of them is town it's probably ShiaoPi. As i think Palmar is town, i do not think he is wrong about VE. But if VE is not gonna get lynched today, i'm going to vote for Clarity over ShiaoPi.
Now, you want to bring up an entirely different target in BC. Understandable, as you seem to think he is mafia. But you also bring up reasons why ShiaoPi/Clarity might be town. That is something i do not understand. If you think BC is better lynch than them, fine, push his lynch. But the way to do it is not by discrediting other people's cases unless you actually think they are town, which you don't seem to. Agree with everything, especially that ShiaoPi is probably town and Clarity is probably scum. Here his agreement with Rayn puts VE in the position he is in if scum. The bus is more likely to have begun here, but can't be sure of stuff yet. VE was looking scummy earlier on in the game to be fair to Palmar,but he was not a likely lynch that day. The push onto VE overall though looks really bad since trying to push a 3rd possibly-town wagon when two scum are up for lynch...well...... Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote: Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This looks like the post where scum Palmar realizes his push is a bad idea. Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:56 Palmar wrote: yeah he didn't say anything interesting and wanted me to put into effort of reading someone I didn't want to read at the time so I had no interest in the topic and consequently forgot about it. On the topic of the TRN Mason QT. Says he forgot about it his story is somewhat corroborated by TRN...though I can't understand why you wouldn't interact at all with your masoner unless you worried about them picking up a read on you. The fact that Palmar uses the fact that TRN masoned him as evidence as to his towniness reads to me that he has no idea about TRN's play or the fact that he is new at the game (I picked him as town ages ago, I'm fairly sure others have as well) and so is worried about the potential for TRN outing him as scum when in fact TRN's chances of doing so as being new to Palmar's play are probably low. Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 06:00 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 05:56 Sharrant wrote:On April 29 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote:On April 29 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: TRN can you post the logs? I was told that is against the rules. How many posts did Palmar make? Can you please paraphrase as best you can as to his actual respones, with as little as bias as possible. 3 posts (cba checking) 1 about asking TRN why he chose me and what he hoped to achieve. 2 saying I wanted to lynch VE and hadn't read into WoS 3 the post TRN mentioned about "oats was always going to flip town". SO here he mentions I was the one TRN brought up that he didn't feel like looking into. Ok, I get that, but just the day before he says this: Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 04:06 Palmar wrote: Also I haven't really read much today because I think it's so blindingly obvious we should lynch VE, but if no one else has brought it up, I have very bad feelings about WaveOfShadow based on what I had read up until like 10 pages ago. Wouldn't this make me a suspect of his and someone he's likely to have read? Especially since I'm pretty sure I claimed miller before TRN's mason time ended and was super high on EVERYONE's suspicion list. Palmar then begins to buddy up to his previous scumread in VE to try and get BC lynched. Presumably this is due to his N1 and N2 checks, which makes sense and is a point for Palmar having told the truth. (The long con is definitely possible, but is that likely to Palmar's scumplay? I don't know him that well.) Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 09:48 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 09:36 TheRavensName wrote:On April 29 2013 09:27 Palmar wrote: Look at this bloodycobbler actively hunting third parties everywhere!
Also BC, did you ever explain why it would be a better idea to vig me than to lynch me? Personally I think that would be a waste of a shot since you have night protection. I did not ask you, I wanted BC's explanation for his statement. It's one of his slips this game. He called out for a player that he knew could be active, had the support of several important townies, to be vigged.I wonder if he was simply afraid that he would never be able to mislynch me? I called Palmar out for this earlier and he never responded; which important townies had Palmar's back at this point? I didn't count many despite his crusade for action against 'the cobbler.' Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 10:34 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 10:31 Ace wrote: no, we aren't lynching syl. There is stupidity going on right now.
CC - I dont know why you checked Shiao Night 1. That is a major stretch that you check him, he gets brought up, temp cleared, and then you check sylencia. thats 2 lurkers who have no impact on the game that you checked. not buying it. especially since you just claimed, without counter claiming Palmar. If you believe Palmar is a Cop there is no point in claiming right now as you'd let BC die with your vote. If you dont believe him, you vote him off. Claiming right now to add another suspect in the pool is nonsense. its not even been an hour since your case on sylencia - you could have pushed it ot let it marinate more. Your urgency shows little thinking here.
Lastly, you also can not confirm your check. Shiao hasn't flipped. We've got 2 Cops, both unconfirmed claiming results on the same day within an hour of each other. Both that also appeared on the infamous Oats wagon analysis.
bullshit. one of you is definitely lying and both of you made a bad play here. lol Ace we ARE lynching sylencia. absolute worst case scenario is CC is scum and we lynch townies for 2 days before lynching or vigging CC in return, leaving us with plenty of townies and like 2 mafia left. something like 11 townies maybe? You're crazy if you don't lynch sylencia. I REALLY didn't like this post at the time. We know there's 3rd party and 3 scum left here so we certainly did not have 'plenty of townies.' Everything he says about being a cop though isn't provable one way or the other as of yet at this point; the rb and his checks check out. I don't know I don't like the idea that he making mislynches feel better than they actually would have been but it's such a scummy thing to post knowing the math that I don't see scum doing it. Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 10:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I wouldn't have claimed if Palmar didn't go full retard and give us a red check without any prior checks. The situation could have turned out STUPID bad if BC was town and Palmar was actually insane cop, hedging his bets on being sane. But I like killing people so I get excited. Anyway, it's irrelevant. I had you as town read for most of the game, I've usually thought of you as nully to leaning town, and then you of course went and looked real town with grush after that hammer post. So, I don't think you're scum, which basically means I'm pretty cool with killing sylencia as he looks awful anyway, and shaiopi looks somewhat towny. Well knowing what we know now.... I don't if anything can be said about this since everyone more or less agreed Sylencia didn't look great, but to say Shiao looked TOWNY is a GROSS overstatement. I also remember asking at some point whoever found Shiao towny, WHY did they think so and no one ever answered. Hmm. Alright sadly I don't have much to conclude about this case. Imo the scum points outweigh the town points just based on his filter and he's had a cba attitude for much of the game. We can't even discern his alignment based on his checks either because he didn't follow the plan which looks scummy as well. If he is telling thr truth he must be either paranoid or insane (which would make him exactly the same as CC? Same role AND same alignment? Unlikely imo....) and if he's paranoid he's more or less useless, no? I dunno guys, help me out. I'm leaning scum overall but we have nother night of NKs ahead of us before we must act. Palmar's responses to this were minimal and antagonistic, just like basically everything he has said to me all game. I would certainly understand his being dismissive of me if he were mafia and trying to discredit what I say.
Artanis your thoughts as well?
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On May 04 2013 04:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have had Palmar as a scum read for days dude. You don't need to convince me of it. I'm not trying to convince you, I'm wondering what you think of the case. Not sure if you even bothered to read it because it's not all convincing in there.
The fact that you don't bother to read it and assume that I'm trying to lynch Palmar with you, while not taking the opportunity to be a townie and analyze a case is disconcerting.
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On May 04 2013 05:09 Palmar wrote: @wos do you want me to explain why that case is wrong?
I kinda meant to ignore you, but I can respond to it if you want me to You can, anyone can. Cases are meant to be scrutinized/analysed.
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I had a very angry post I was about to submit but I've decided against it. I think I know what to expect in future games so as not to reach this point.
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On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote: I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends.
1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break.
Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching.
Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me.
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On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote: I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth.
On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw.
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Remember that Palmar defended Shiao as well. People don't seem to like reading what I write tho.
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Also yeah Hopeless isn't happening now for some reason because Palmar and BC have put each other up again and fucked with all of our perceptions huh? ##Unvote
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On May 06 2013 10:05 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote: I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth. On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw. So why did you claim then? In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not.
On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch.Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
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Honestly I think right now I'm fine to lynch either Palmar or BC, and if one flips town we lynch the other one. I'm sick of trying to decipher what's going on between them and yamato's case of the scum rbing one and the town JK rbing the other makes sense.
Who's it going to be?
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On May 06 2013 10:36 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 10:05 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote: I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth. On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw. So why did you claim then? In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch.Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. if that was the reason, why didn't you say so? Now see you say that I should feel clever for this, but you have at least 2 full filter pages that are just calling everything a scum slip. Wat? Show me. lol I don't even know why we are having this discussion it is so irrelevant to topics at hand. TRN who do you want lynched today and why?
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On May 06 2013 10:36 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote: All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia. It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game. We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them. We're not? The vote count would appear to say otherwise currently. I doubt you're getting yamato lynched today; I'm certainly not voting for him.
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On May 06 2013 10:52 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 10:36 Sharrant wrote:On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote: All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia. It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game. We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them. We're not? The vote count would appear to say otherwise currently. I doubt you're getting yamato lynched today; I'm certainly not voting for him. Is he honestly at L-2 right now? And yes, we are not lynching BC today. If I have to stop the wagon on him, I will. And I will not be happy about it. Uh...if you are saying that you have a way to do so, then you probably should if you don't want him lynched....though I'm thinking maybe you already did.
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I remember thinking right before I went to bed last night that I had the game solved but now I can't remember why. Fuck. I do know one thing: there are at least a couple people here sitting on vital information right now and while I partially know what's going on, I don't know if I know the whole story, so I won't say much other than personally I feel it's probably best if the people sitting on info reveal said info---it will really make the game a whole lot easier. Not to say we can't win without it, I just don't personally see the reason it's being held back.
Now with that being said I'll reveal what I know for sure. TRN masoned me the night before. We are not masoned currently. I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum, though I am unsure as to what he thinks of me and am not quite sure why he attempted to grill me before.
On May 06 2013 20:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I want to postpone all BC/Palmar related activities until tomorrow. We know one of them is town for neigh certain. That means there's at least one scummer whose name isn't BC/Palmar. I like BM's suggestion of giving you two a bit of breathing room. Stop defending yourselves, find scum. WoS What does confuse me is why WoS ragequit for a few days when people started believing him. When he was suspected, he posted a decent bit to defend himself. Fast forward to people no longer discussing him and he goes afk. Brought up again and now he's back, mostly to defend himself. Says the Yamato case on one of BC/Palmar being confirmed town due to JK thing makes sense but he doesn't actually give his own stance.
He could be a frustrated townie, but frustrated scum makes just as much sense. People no loner discussing me lol. I was extremely active up until 2 days ago and people stopped discussing me LONG before that if you'd read. I was frustrated for reasons I'm not necessarily comfortable divulging, however there are things that have led me to believe that Palmar is scum. I am curious as to what leaving im alive actually accomplishes, and why Sharrant no longer appears to want to lynch him.
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On May 07 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: What if I told you I wasn't scum WoS? What if I told you I don't care what you have to say at this point?
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On May 07 2013 00:53 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 23:47 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 Sharrant wrote: @Palmar I liked the exchange between you and BC over the night; I think the reason you're finding his contributions suspicious is because of a difference in play styles.
I think BC just doesn't like to write things out, he said as much earlier in the game. You're both under the pressure of a lynch, so you go out of your way to back everything up with quotes and try to make it look good. He seems to be relying on his cred as a veteran, and the fact that when he flips people will know he's not lying about what he's written.
I want both of you alive for at least a cycle. I'm happy to lynch into the little list you guys came up with, it matches up for the most part with my thoughts with a few key differences, but they're fairly subjective I think.
There's a few divergent scenarios, but I think the most basic formula for our chain of lynches is such:
Dammit. I made beautiful tree diagrams but the TL site doesn't support that kind of formatting. I'll write it out as direct chains then.
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(town)->Palmar->BC Hopeless(town)->Yamato(scum)->(unsure, this chain I'm least sure if I'd lynch another person before Palmar/BC) Hopeless(scum)->giygas(scum)->gg Hopeless(scum)->giygas(town)->unsure(town)->Palmar->BC
Just a basic idea of what I think we should do, I'm open for discussion on it, and it would obviously be reevaluated after the nks. Quick question about this chain. Why is Hopeless first if your vote is on Yamato? I was in a rush to get ready. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:03 WaveofShadow wrote:I remember thinking right before I went to bed last night that I had the game solved but now I can't remember why. Fuck. I do know one thing: there are at least a couple people here sitting on vital information right now and while I partially know what's going on, I don't know if I know the whole story, so I won't say much other than personally I feel it's probably best if the people sitting on info reveal said info---it will really make the game a whole lot easier. Not to say we can't win without it, I just don't personally see the reason it's being held back. Now with that being said I'll reveal what I know for sure. TRN masoned me the night before. We are not masoned currently. I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum, though I am unsure as to what he thinks of me and am not quite sure why he attempted to grill me before. On May 06 2013 20:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I want to postpone all BC/Palmar related activities until tomorrow. We know one of them is town for neigh certain. That means there's at least one scummer whose name isn't BC/Palmar. I like BM's suggestion of giving you two a bit of breathing room. Stop defending yourselves, find scum. WoS What does confuse me is why WoS ragequit for a few days when people started believing him. When he was suspected, he posted a decent bit to defend himself. Fast forward to people no longer discussing him and he goes afk. Brought up again and now he's back, mostly to defend himself. Says the Yamato case on one of BC/Palmar being confirmed town due to JK thing makes sense but he doesn't actually give his own stance.
He could be a frustrated townie, but frustrated scum makes just as much sense. People no loner discussing me lol. I was extremely active up until 2 days ago and people stopped discussing me LONG before that if you'd read. I was frustrated for reasons I'm not necessarily comfortable divulging, however there are things that have led me to believe that Palmar is scum. I am curious as to what leaving im alive actually accomplishes, and why Sharrant no longer appears to want to lynch him. I'm not sure where you get that I no longer want to lynch him. You'll notice that every scenario I posted that doesn't end in us killing scum in the next 2 lynches then goes on to lynching him, and if we kill scum in one of those two lynches, it only moves lynching Palmar back by one lynch. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that instead of just not reading the thread, you meant that it appears I no longer want to lynch him today. And yes, that is correct. If he's not scum, then scum now know that there's a very real possibility that he is an insane detective and will most likely be forced to shoot him. If he is scum, we've still got another person who is much less obvious to lynch than him and I'd rather go after them. If he's still around after two night cycles, and we haven't lynched a scum, then it's time to lynch Palmar. Alright, but then you're assuming that Palmar does what you want him to do, which he's already proven that he will not by not following Ace's plan. (I am well aware that Ace was 3p, but the agreement at the time was that all 3 dts were supposed to check each other IIRC, and Palmar was the only one who did not adhere---I believe at the time the plan was made we were supposed to lynch him if he did that?)
I honestly don't know how you can be sure of anything Palmar has done or will do; it seems as though all he has been doing all game is buying himself time, which we have given him over and over again.
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On May 07 2013 01:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: What if I told you I wasn't scum WoS? What if I told you I don't care what you have to say at this point? Then you're an idiot. If you're town, have read all my contributions, and still think I'm scum I don't think you can be helped. Yeah that's about all you've deigned to say to me all game.
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On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote: Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig.
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On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote: Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula?
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On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote: Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula? Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.
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On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote: Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula? Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though. Burying shots on purpose does happen as well. I still think the only way we resolve this Palmar/BC horseshit that has been going on for days is we lynch one of them. My noose arm(finger?) is getting itchy so can we consolidate on some sort of plan?
If we really think that leaving Palmar alive another day is going to help us and he won't weasel his way out somehow then fine; I'll stave off his lynch one final day, but unless we have conclusive proof based on today's/tonight's actions that he is town I will be voting him and no one else tomorrow.
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Do people REALLY think yamato is scum?
Yamato I'd like to have a chat, if you will. About shoes and ships and sealing-wax, of cabbages and kings.
But mostly about scum. You game?
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Despite the fact that nobody cares what I say or do, if you flip town Yamato, I'll try to see to it that Palmar goes down.
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So let's spend another 48 hours waffling between the 4 same scumspects we have for the past few days. I'm game if you guys are!
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On May 07 2013 10:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: im waiting for a host to say, "fuck it you took to long, no lynch" They will eventually. Can we auto-win if we get exactly 4 people to vote for each person?
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On May 07 2013 13:02 kushm4sta wrote: i think town is making a huge mistake lynching yamato (inb4 omg town in 3rd person scumslip1!!!!)
but I dont mind it actually because I am so horny for flips. It's like when you haven't had sex in 2 years and you will have sex with anyone just to have it. exactly like that. I agree with this post. Especially the horny part.
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So ready to quit mafia after this game. And the start of it was so much fun too.
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So fucking tempted just to end this fuck shit of a day. BUT NO NO HAMMARS HERE I HAVE NOT VISITED THE HARDWARE STORE
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Hay guise, maybe I'm scum.
/bombshell
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Hey look guise.
LOOK I CAN PUT GIFS TOO
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No guys, let's leave Palmar and BC alive as long as possible. The longer they're alive the more information we get, right?
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Man oh man, I am such a popular guy this game everyone wants to talk to me and listen to what I have to say! So much so that one me conversing with everyone all the time is not enough to keep my brilliant intellect under control, therefore I give you ShadowofWave!
ShadowofWave: Nice to be here.
WaveofShadow: So it's been a very interesting game thus far, would you agree?
ShadowofWave: Very much so, yes. Full of twists and turns. A lot of quality scumhunting going on. Speaking of which, haven't seen a lot from you lately. Any scumreads?
WaveofShadow: Yeah I know. Scumreads? Palmar and probably Hopeless/one of the lurkers. More likely Hopeless. And you?
ShadowofWave: Not good enough. Not giving my reads until you give me some reasoning behind yours.
WaveofShadow: I've given reasoning for my reads all throughout the thread; in fact my scumread on Palmar is even stronger now. Remember how I AND Yamato agreed (in our HUGE amounts of conversation we agreed to have) that one of Palmar and BC have to be scum? I find it very difficult to believe the argument that BC and Yamato had for the latter part of the day was between scum and town.
ShadowofWave: That's fucking retarded. You're an idiot. Palmar and BC BOTH argued with Yamato throughout the end of that day.
WaveofShadow: Differences between the arguments: BC gets emotional, Palmar doesn't. BC is way more invested into his push, Palmar pushes a little, goes away and comes back to disassemble a yamato post then goes away. BC gets angry and analyzes the shit out of why he believes yamato to be scum; Palmar simply looks to discredit yamato for his reads despite agreeing with many of them. + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2013 08:07 Palmar wrote:Hello! I'm your friendly Yamato interpreter: Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Stutters I think is town because of a meta read. Until he gives me reason to think he's scum, I will treat him as town because he's never played scum. There's little reason for me to believe that anything he's done is outside of what I expect from town Stutters, which admittedly isn't much to begin with. I would expect scum Stutters to be easy to pick out, because it owuld be his first game and he'd likely be horrible. Stutters is town because I say so, I think I would think he's scum maybe if he's scum so probably town idk? Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: WoS would also be first time scum, and he's too active for that. He's too involved. He's claimed miller within a reasonable context. Not what I'd expect from first time scum. Look guys, I actually have a legit reason for thinking someone is town, I mean, anything less vague than "he's too involved" is of course too much, but at least he claimed miller! Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Sharrant is highly involved in the game. and seems genuinely interested in figuring out the game. He's also the only person mafia Clarity ever talked about, which would be weird for his scum mate. I believe Sharrant would be another first-timer, so unless he's a prodigy, he's town. No need for interpreter here, this is actually correct, if lacking in detail. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: TRN is a mason, and I have little reason to be suspicious of him. When he masoned me, he seemed to want to figure me out, as he had apparently done with geript. Town. yeah, probably true. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it. No, geript may be the scummiest person in the thread, he just skates by on the modconfirm thing. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Artanis is also likely town (unless my conspiracy theory comes true) because of how involved he's been in the game since yesterday. He's attempting to figure the game out in a rational way. I have little real reason to suspect him outside of interfering with me wanting to lynch you. Artanis is town because I say so, I'll just dash in some fancy words. "rational.... and involved" that'll do it. means I don't have to read or cite specific trains of thought. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption. BC is maybe town because Palmar is maybe confirmed town eh... I mean.... yeah sure, he's maybe scum and Palmar is maybe scum? So right guys, I got this, Palmar is maybe scum and BC is maybe town. Yeah that's why BC is solid town read of mine. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: BM is town because he's still playing the game. In Boardwalk, his activity fell off a cliff and he stopped trying later in the game when he realized the scum team's chances were shot. In a similar situation this game. he's still trying. Not to mention, day 1 he tried to talk sense to me in my trollish state. Easily town. BM is town because he posts a lot... I guess. I also forgot that period where BM left the game. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Giygas is town through sheer effort. He's tryharding to figure out this game. I don't even have to explain this, it's so obvious. Shit, I have no reason here... hmm... tryhard? I'll just tell the guys they're stupid if they don't agree. I mean they'll totally agree the guy with the shortest filter is town on sheer effort? Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Kush I might be wrong about, but he seems genuine when he just wants a lynch. His accusation of me felt like an accusation town Kush would believe in. He's also not hardbussing, as far as I can see, so he's not mafia. Real heuristics, applied realistically. I guess Kush is town because why not? Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: That leaves you and Hopeless, Palmar. Without your claim, there's nothing to point toward you being town, and the claim is ass. rofl, good job yamato ##Unvote ##Vote Yamato
ShadowofWave: Doesn't mean shit, bro, you're legit terrible. What about this? This 'appeal to authority' looks downright terrible.
On May 07 2013 12:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 12:52 getmoript wrote:On May 07 2013 12:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 07 2013 12:50 getmoript wrote:On May 07 2013 12:37 Sharrant wrote:On May 07 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 12:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 07 2013 12:30 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 12:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 07 2013 12:28 yamato77 wrote: Yeah, I'm tired of fighting stupid
I resolve myself of responsibility for the outcome of this game. aside from defend yourself all game you really havent done much. Factor in game sabotage if you are "town" and its pretty clear you have to go LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I handed you scum on a silver platter and you voted to lynch me. Go reread the game. which one? i recall ace giving us clarity, ve + CC giving us shiaopi, mods giving us tube, and virtually everyone thinking ace was likely 3p. Who did you give us? Hopeless and Palmar Their combined filter is smaller than mine, but I'm being lynched over the both of them. Fantastic. If you gave us Palmar, if you analyzed him so hard, how could you have never realized that his claim was wrong? Not once did you even hint that, if he is a cop, his sanity was not confirmed as what he said it was. I've been sitting on that since the moment he checked OO, I was sure it was how it would go down, and I haven't even been particularly interested in Palmar aside from that point. If palmar is town why didn't he realize his sanity wasn't confirmed? because hes an idiot Then why are we listening to him on voting Yamato? have you read the game? I have had a read on yamato all game, ve had that same read, ace had the same read, palmar is now saying it? We know the flip of two of those players already, 1 was town 1 was 3p, both are responsible for heavy pushing the votes where mafia were lynched. Ace played for the most part a very town oriented game. I am inclined to believe that 4 players all getting the same read on a player means the guy is likely what those 4 think
He's using 3p as evidence that vets know what they're talking about, and we should just sheep them; 3p WHO HAS THEIR OWN FUCKING AGENDA. We have NO IDEA of the alignment of the other 2 players listed and he is attempting to use that as evidence that a read is correct? What a bunch of horseshit.
WaveofShadow: Yeah that's pretty awful. I honestly don't even know. Personally I'd like to know why either Palmar or BC are alive right now considering they are probably the most dangerous as self-proclaimed 'vets' so late into a game. Hell Palmar himself said he's sick of being killed instantly so he specifically tried to play differently (read: terribly) this game so as not to be killed. If he's playing terribly why the FUCK is he still alive? And BC at the beginning of the game called previous towns who have lynched/shot him early D1/N1 terrible, does that mean he thinks our current town is doing well, with basically no clue where to go next, flip-flopping on lynch targets a whole day? Very quick to take credit, very quick to shame others for not performing up to his standards; I don't see how this guy is a benefit to town either right now; lynching either of them tomorrow IMO is the way to go.
ShadowofWave: So Artanis what do you think of a Geript lynch tomorrow?
WaveofShadow: Dude I thought we were talking. And Geript is modconfirmed town remember?
ShadowofWave: Yeah fuck you I don't feel like listening to you. You're bad.
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So many reads to read, so many decisions to decide, BUT WHO WILL BE THE RIGHT ONE
Valuable insight incoming, ladies and gentlemen, you can bet your genitalia on it.
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BH warned me in thread, can I be modconfirmed town too?
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On May 08 2013 18:56 Palmar wrote: wos can you please stop calling me scum with terrible reasons. It's really distracting and it makes me want to lynch people I shouldn't lynch, like yamato. lol. LOL clearly my fault. And clearly you responded to what I'd written in the past when you said you were going to lololololololololoolololololololololololol
On May 04 2013 05:09 Palmar wrote: @wos do you want me to explain why that case is wrong?
I kinda meant to ignore you, but I can respond to it if you want me to It's ok though I'm totally not worth responding to. Go about your business, good sir.
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On May 08 2013 21:58 kushm4sta wrote: palmar the thing is, your reason for thinking yamato is scum is even worse than his reason for thinking you were scum. He thinks you are scum therefore he must die? Are you kidding me? How fucking arrogant can you be bro? You do not look super town this game at all. I know you think you are the mafia bomb because of
"your play d1 and your ability to influence the game"
(which you brag about every fucking game btw) but you have not been a positive force on this game at all. I think there is a very good chance you are scum. After Hopeless and BC you are the next scummiest. All you do this game is call people terrible... seriously that is unacceptable hypocritical flaming but you do it constantly.
I actually would lynch you purely for punishment at this point. Town can take more potentnial mislynches if necessary. we are winning. Maybe kill 1 scum first then kill palmar for punishment?
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On May 08 2013 21:58 kushm4sta wrote: palmar the thing is, your reason for thinking yamato is scum is even worse than his reason for thinking you were scum. He thinks you are scum therefore he must die? Are you kidding me? How fucking arrogant can you be bro? You do not look super town this game at all. I know you think you are the mafia bomb because of
"your play d1 and your ability to influence the game"
(which you brag about every fucking game btw) but you have not been a positive force on this game at all. I think there is a very good chance you are scum. After Hopeless and BC you are the next scummiest. All you do this game is call people terrible... seriously that is unacceptable hypocritical flaming but you do it constantly.
I actually would lynch you purely for punishment at this point. Town can take more potentnial mislynches if necessary. we are winning. Maybe kill 1 scum first then kill palmar for punishment?
I fail. LETS TRY THAT AGAIN
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Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to. (This may just be referring to me in this case, but it's an attitude I see from a few players on mafia, BC included. Ace appears to be an exception.)
Despite the fact that you see me and my cases as terrible, I've been right about quite a few things this game (though nobody appears to acknowledge this---yet you're constantly bringing up things YOU were right about), and I also know who the JK is, and have for a little while now. There are many things that I have contributed that simply get bypassed because my way of figuring out the game doesn't fit within the brackets of what you would determine to be 'good play' yet apparently achieves the same result (or in this case, BETTER results if people ever listened to me).
I was unsure about your case originally when I wrote it, but if you'd read it wasn't necessarily a case to get you lynched, it was merely a summation of my thoughts on you, some points and counterpoints, and then I literally said "I dunno guys, help me out." AND NOBODY DID. Town is a team, and no one can be sure of their own cases/reads all of the time, not even you, yet many people treat their reads as G-d's word to fucking Moses. It was an opening for you or anyone else to say: "your case is shit and here's why." "Or I agree for such and such reasons" But nobody did so I was left with my own thoughts echoing in my head.
I'm going to wipe all bias I have clean when I look into you over the next little bit, just as I did the first time. If you ignore it then despite what I find I will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow as I will therefore not be seeing you as an asset to town alive, only through the information gleaned by your death. Whether or not people listen to me on that will not matter to me. Whether or not you feel threatened by this does not matter to me. If you, or other people respond, perhaps we can actually begin to solve this game properly.
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Palmar: I'm probably not going to be able to finish my read by the deadline, but that doesn't concern me because neither of us are dying tonight. I'm also curious as to whether or not you're ACTUALLY going to check me tonight because you haven't really listened to other's plans for your checks this game. If you do, I believe I know exactly what result you will be getting for reasons I will eventually outline.
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I disagree (and agree) with some of the points outlined above but they're not relevant to the game at this point in time. Continuing my read.
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Actually you know what, in the interest of keeping conversation going... I'm curious about this as well, you draw parallels between yamato and I. Why respond to him and not to me?
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On May 09 2013 02:28 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to. Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 09:40 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point? Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours. Kinda see how I felt now don't ya? I already know how you felt, that's why I explained it to you and why I actually gave you (and have been giving you) the time of day.
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Alright some intersting minutiae:
On April 23 2013 09:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 23 2013 09:48 yamato77 wrote: Yeah, Oats' return is not impressive. sorry for not writing a 5 page post THAT THIS DUDE IS SCUM. Can we lynch Ace? I would like to keep his streak of getting mislynched in like almost every game.(scumslip :o) apologize for calling me scum bitch.
On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote: am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering
##unvote ##vote Oatsmaster This looks strangely like a pattern. Same thing you did to Yamato but in fewer words. Apparently you really REALLY don't like being called scum. I am not sure whether or not this is alignment indicative, however; it would probably depend on whaether or not you've done this in other games and, as you've put it so often this game, cba. Also interesting that you chose to vote for yamato and Oats when they called you scum but not me.
Let's move on to Clarity.
Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 18:24 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote: I wouldn't lynch him right now, no. Would want to hear from him first.
Don't have many full fledged opinions yet, but the people I was gonna look into next (that being tonight, have work soon) were gonna be giygas, bc and shiaopi (mainly because I don't remember much of them from reading through the thread) sup scum This one is a point FOR town Palmar becuase I can't see them making the decision to bus Clarity this early when he was actually active, unless they realized his play was so shitty he'd be going down immediately. Yep, it's a point for town me because you know.. I'm town. Generally townies do townie things. Now I once called this a point for a town Palmar but in the same post I say it could be a scummy thing to do if you recognized that Clarity's posting was shit and he was likely to be lynched. You ignored that part of it. Then there's this:
On May 02 2013 23:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 02 2013 23:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 02 2013 23:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 02 2013 23:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thanks for confirming yourself as one of the final mafia artanis.
I stopped reading at the point of you claiming I never wanted Yamato lynched given how full of shit you are. Thanks for trying desperately to get me lynched though. Sick defense dude. only defend things worth defending yo. Not worth the time otherwise Good point. I'll stop replying to you until you actually read the case and try to refute it. I doubt that'll happen anyway, seems you've already resigned. Resigned? You apparently don't know me dude lol. How about you people who think I am mafia go back and read the games I have been mafia in. Bill Murray ran a game which is number 28 I believe that was imbalanced in favour of the town by extreme amounts and I led my team to victory quite successfully. I have bussed inactive teammates to ensure I was viewed as confirmed town, etc... If I was mafia this game I would have bussed my entire team that was inactive, made sure that I was the reason they died, and proceeded to off town systematically while being confirmed the entire way. Seems entirely possible that this is what was done. There are both town and scum points for this therefore I remove it as solely a town point for you.
Talking about ShiaoPi and VE:
Yeah, I thought VE was scum, and you agree he looked bad early. I still thought he was scum by this day, and by extension I gave shiaopi a probably town read, not a big deal. I can't be right on everything, and very often I miss under-the-radar scum. I like lynching VE, and I was willing to throw my weight behind a clarity lynch too. I don't think anyone expects you to be right on everything. Maybe, MAYBE I can accept that you were wrong about VE this far into the game, but any quick look into Shiao at all showed that he was NOT under the radar and looked objectively scummy all game. A pre-flip association based on your scumread of VE? That isn't good play no matter how you look at it. Combine this with the logic of bussing an inactive Clarity over an active Shiao, and your constant defending of Shiao when you defend NONE of your other townreads all game and this makes you look scummy. Very scummy.
Regarding your defense of accusations of Clarity bus:
No, this is the post where I agree that Clarity lynch is a good one and since I have a very strong case on him (the same reason I said "sup scum" to him on day 1, just articulated).
Think about it for a little while, if I'm scum palmar wouldn't I try to extract every little ounce of town-cred out of the clarity lynch? why would I bother with saying I still wanted to lynch VE? The truth is I thought VE was scum. I still think he was playing strange, but obviously his relative lack of leadership may have been, just like mine, based on his role. Do you think there is a hole in my reasoning for killing Clarity? Do you think this is fabricated evidence? Was it not new to the thread at the time I wrote it? Especially the part where I analyse his follow-up. You're right about this. I am not convinced however that the scum motivation isn't there. Clarity starts posting for hours before you return and call him scum. I could definitely see you, as the one mainly active (and arguably skilled) member of the scumteam coming back to the QT and going, WTF Clarity, you're dead and we're going to have to bus you for this. Your reasoning for killing him unfortunately very easily fits from both a town and scum perspective. Very easy to point out your scum-mates glaring mistakes. As for your extracting town-cred and blowing it on pushing VE, again that seems to me alignment-null on its own. Yes what are you saying could be true but it's also very easily true that you're trying to avoid completely flip-flopping on your read here to avoid looking scummier. Which to me since all you say is: "Still think VE is a good lynch" and then drop it amounts to the same thing as flip-flopping without a reason.
More coming but I want to get some of this out just in case there is some chance in hell of me dying.
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I'll strike the earlier points regarding TRN and the mason QT from the record. Not enough info there either way.
as far as I understood the mason topic lasted 72 hours, and I think those were up.
And yeah, you were at the time firmly in my scum/null group, but I wasn't really pursuing it at the time. I think I was pretty involved during the night you claimed miller, and if I recall correctly, I realized that your claim made sense and looked genuine. Now put yourself in scum-palmar's shoes. You basically have what equals to a guilty cop-check on your head and I could tunnel that until you die, hell I even gave you some shit for not being super-townie since you were a self-aware miller (though I do very much agree with your play of not claiming it at the start).
But no, because I'm not actually scum, I just stepped back, looked at how you claimed and how you reacted to the pressure and decided you were town. I actually did the same thing yesterday, but yamato self-hammered in rage after quoting a post of mine where I was basically considering waffling on his lynch. What you say about my miller-claim rings true from a town-perspective. Much easier to call for my lynch and let me hang/get shot.Of course there's scum motivation for it too, though it's a bit of a stretch---if you knew or thought other people would lynch me then you could abstain and look towny. Especially since if there's one thing I'm good at in mafia it's not getting mislynched so my calling for a vig shot against myself (not knowing there are none), letting me get mislynched as per my reasoning might look wrose. This I wil admit is a little convoluted and unlikely but I figure I'd toss it out there anyway. It's the rest of this that bugs me; you say you did the same thing regarding yamato but in this case it's YOU putting on the pressure, not others, and though you say you were considering waffling, you didn't, and your vote helped lynch a towny whatever you might say. If you were so unsure why risk leaving him at L-1 and give him the chance to do what he did? (You probably weren't around at L-1 but my point stands: your vote was on him when you were unsure?)
When I mention your buddying of VE based on your BC checks yes that is a case for you being town, but again you don't refute the scum motivation: yYou were wrong about VE, don't want to look scummy anymore and want to get another towny lynched under cover of another towny. The interaction between you and BC makes it extremely difficult for me to believe that you are both town. It's been argued 100 times that your claim makes absolutely zero sense and I don't think any explanation you've had for it thus far is good enough. It's one thing to be lazy, it's another thing to do something downright terrible. It doesn't make sense that you'd expect other people 'backing you' to do your work against BC for you when you had nothing to go on. Rayn is not good enough as far as 'thread sentiment' goes since he tunnels like crazy, often against wrong targets, no matter how towny he looked. Hell you could very well have been using this aspect of his personality to help push BC relentlessly without having to do it yourself, but that's just speculation.
Again, thanks for making my case for me. Most importantly here is my belief that CC was town, I was almost certain that his claim was true, and I think I never had any scumvibes in the game for him, so to me I was pretty sure we'd either get a scumlynch or a lurkerlynch->scumlynch (which is what happened).
Remember, scumpalmar would've KNOWN that shiaopi was scum, so your theory of multiple mislynches makes no sense if I'm scum. This and the example after it is probably the best example I can find of a strong point to your towniness and I'm not sure I can see scum PoV here that isn't REALLY stretching here.
Can you explain a few outstanding details to me? Your conclusions from the conversation with BC? You said something about decisions being very one-sided and I'm not sure what that means.
My question just earlier about yamato v me
Your ignoring the agreed-upon check targets. If you don't check me tonight I have more reason to believe that you are scum. I'm not sure it was the wrong play to not lynch you earlier because 'mafia might off you; they don't want to risk you being insane and not paranoid.' It's easily possible you chose your 'check' targets very carefully so either could be true. Again, difficult for me to reach any hard conclusions with what I've written here but on the whole there is still much to your play that IS objectively scummy, whether you see it as such or not.
For the record I also really don't like your dismissal of yamato; making sure to discredit everything he says as 'shitty logic,' at the same time as calling him scummy.This way even if you're proven wrong after the flip (as scum) you can still say 'well his logic was awful and therefore we can't listen to any of his reads.'
I just keep finding more inconclusive shit I don't like about your play this game. If you were truly town why is there so goddamn much of it?
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Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis:
On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~
Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time.
There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion.
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On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today?
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Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all.
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The only thing that fits with his usual play is him trying to get me lynched which he does every damn game no matter what his alignment. Sigh.
I know focus should not be put on him today but while I wait for Palmar and the rest of the thread to show up I figure I'll shit something out.
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On May 09 2013 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Could just be a demotivated geript that was looking forward to being shadowed by marv only to get bullshit his way. It's worth looking into his filter though. Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:08 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 04:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 04:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today? I'm not going to expand on this until Palmar answers me whether he still suspects BC. I don't want to influence his answer. You cannot influence my answer so don't worry about it. But it's gonna be a while as I'm going to read the entire filter of a few people, including BC If you're scum, showing my hand could lead to you giving the desired answer. Therefore I'd rather not comment on it at this point. That's entirely up to you, I just don't want the progress of discussion to be hindered waiting on what I have to say. Even if you think I'm scum, does it look like I've been saying things and giving opinions to please people this game? You haven't been in serious risk of lynching yet. You probably will be today. The past is no guarantee of the future. I disagree with this and as such will reserve judgment for now. As per you not wanting to answer my question, note that in any game that Palmar/Ace/BC etc play in, it has become part of their metas (misuse of the word here but fk it baylife) to die early since as idenitifed strong players, the only reasons mafia would not have shot them is because they ARE mafia. For Ace it's likely he was shot by mafia but BC/Palmar are very curious this game. If Plmar has been telling the truth this whole game then leaving him up as juicy lynchbait because of his play was probably the correct play for mafia, especially since he has not shown himself to be much of a threat this game.
BC is another story though, I would argue his play has been stronger, and he has taken credit for a few scum kills already. Again just spouting stuff while waiting so as not to stagnate discussion.
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Hmm you know, I forgot about your missed check entirely. I can explain why I think that makes you scummy: Claiming paranoid on a check on me is a safe play based on the fact that you assume my claim was real. (I was debating trying to force something if you claimed insane like saying I fakeclaimed miller but that would have unleashed a shitstorm that I was probably not capable of keeping up and would have gotten me lynched or something). You get red even IF I say I fakeclaimed miller.
The fact that you didn't check anyone the night before is either because once again, lazy Palmar (find this SO hard to believe there are so many instances of this since you're supposed to be a good player) or as mafia you were afraid to check players who aren't basically confirmed one way or the other for fear you might be caught out somehow or remove suspicion on possible lynchbait.
It's not strong evidence but it's a possibility that can't be ignored imo.
Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched ).
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On May 09 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched ). I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had. But see that;s the thing, right?
As far as Rayn being the smartest....after seeing his play in ego I feel I'm biased as to the alternative. Can someone explain?
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Like....his push on Sharrant made absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
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I don't really see how that makes him the smartest. Also yeah, DID you figure it out yet?
I actually have no fucking clue what he's talking about.
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That should have been spoilered. meh
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On May 09 2013 04:42 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Meh. I just don't care right now. I'm on a week long break that I thought would give me time and want to be invested, but the longer it goes on the more I'm focusing on other things. I just shouldn't have played this game. I need a break, both in real life and from mafia. I'm actually enjoying the NMM game far more despite not terribly following it. Constantly realizing how bad I am at this game just makes me want to return and focus on the games that I am exceptional at and thoroughly enjoy. I don't know how to convince people to listen to me and my reputation doesn't help any; I just don't see a point in putting in effort. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just worth my vote and nothing more. Palmar could actually be insane if they have a second framer or a saved JOAT. I still want to lynch him for being an ass. I'm not likely to keep him alive for another day on the off chance I was framed last night by a JOAT. As far as second framer, well if that's true then fuck you BH.
As far as the other stuff...we can talk after the game.
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Oh I remember thinking it was about JK at the time he said so (and didn't want to say anything just in case anyone else didn't notice he basically outed himself) but of course with him dead we can't confirm shit. What was the basis again for the argument that one of you was scum based on RB targets? This game is too fucking long.
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On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected. ##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something.
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On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended.
I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not.
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My comment about how I will react if HE doesn't respond to my cases stands though, so even if you can't convince me to vote for Palmar, he himself very well can.
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On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. .....you're kidding me right? I've been saying this shit for days. DAYS. We could have lynched him based on any of this yesterday, or even the day before.
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I'm not defending Palmar here because it may very well be that I'd like to see him swing, but your reasoning as to why he's scummy NOW and not yesterday or the day before is terrible. How is it he hasn't been scumhunting? Because he hasn't scumhunted over the first few hours of the day? What about his push of Yamato? Was that not scumhunting? I'm really curious as to your train of thought.
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On May 09 2013 06:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. .....you're kidding me right? I've been saying this shit for days. DAYS. We could have lynched him based on any of this yesterday, or even the day before. No, because IF he is town then the information from his check on you could prove invaluable. Or at least I thought so when I wasn't sure Sharrant was JK. What? If he ACTUALLY is a town paranoid cop, what do we learn from the check? ....am I honestly a fucking moron or am I missing something here?
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On May 09 2013 06:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:47 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. Is staying alive only the objective of mafia? The main objective of town is to find scum, not to stay alive. The main objective of scum is to stay alive. Part of lynching scum is to not get lynched as town right? That removes one potential candidate from the pool. Would you say I have not scumhunted this game? I consider both parts equal. If every town player makes sure he doesn't get lynched then the game is quite easy, right? There's a difference between how you act when trying to survive and how I acted when I felt I was going down. There is a clear point here and Artanis is right, but I just don't like how he's going about it.
I (and others) have pointed out in the past how you have basically done anything and everything to assume your own survival from one day to the next and you've always managed to squeeze out of it. You could say the same thing might have been true for yamato at times but yamato buckled down and did his fucking damndest to give us his all. You have done no such thing aside from short bursts of activity here and there which have amounted to nothing since you have been a suspect.
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On May 09 2013 06:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected. ##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something. Please point to me where I promised you anything. I'm convinced now because A) Sharrant's flip confirmed what we already suspected and B) Palmar conveniently got paranoid, thus any potential extra importance he could have if he were town is gone. That and Palmar's long post was actually awful. No scumhunting, lots of defending and tutoring. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely. Do you want to lynch me based on two factors that are completely out of my control? One, or all of these thought processes must be true, based on your post here: Sharrant jailed Palmar -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar rolled paranoid cop -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar wrote a post defending himself -> Therefore Palmar must be scum I don't know what in particular I need to say to you to explain why you're wrong, but you please provide something for me to respond to if you want to call me scum. You're scum because you're more interested in your own survival than in actually finding scum. The best way to get my vote off of you is to find a better target. You've spent enough time defending yourself, I'd rather you spent that time reading filters of people you find suspicious. Here's one thing, I'm obsessed with reads I don't understand. I can move on, and I was starting to do so, beginning with my list of 5 people I considered needed to be looked at. Then you come in and accuse me of being scum without providing anything to back it up other than my role. You literally want to lynch me based on my role. I cannot defend that. But I want to make absolutely 100% certain that if I get lynched there will remain no legitimate reason for it, it will be simply be because people decided to do it and fuck logic. This looks like a confession to me.
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A confession which would make some sense based on your perception of the cases I and yamato and now Artanis have brought to get you lynched. "I don't deserve to get caught as scum if the town can't properly catch me and a lie/slip/outlogic me/whatever." This seems extremely egotistical and yet it would seem to fit with your personality as I have come to see it.
It's like complaining about cheese in BW. It's all part of the game. If you're caught, you're caught bro.
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Anyway, I'm not voting you yet Palmar, because I still await delivery of some analysis. And hopefully the rest of town will wake the fuck up one of these days and have a look at what's going on.
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On May 09 2013 07:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:58 WaveofShadow wrote: A confession which would make some sense based on your perception of the cases I and yamato and now Artanis have brought to get you lynched. "I don't deserve to get caught as scum if the town can't properly catch me and a lie/slip/outlogic me/whatever." This seems extremely egotistical and yet it would seem to fit with your personality as I have come to see it.
It's like complaining about cheese in BW. It's all part of the game. If you're caught, you're caught bro.
Again, you only read my stuff as if I'm scum. Town-Palmar has the same pride as scum-Palmar. I want to make absolutely 100% dead fucking sure that if I get lynched, there will be no argument that it was a good lynch anyway, that I was playing scummy, any kind of justification. If I die, I want to demonstrate as visibly as possible that it's a terrible lynch and there will be no excuses other than... well wanting to lynch me for lulz, or maybe for fear, or something. I want no one to be able to claim he voted for me with a reason. But if you are town, what is the POINT of doing this? Pride aside, how are you helping us? And where you think I contradicted myself; I was pointing out to Artanis that what you did could be perceived as scumhunting, however it didn't amount to anything good for town in the end, nor did it help us establish any reads on others.
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Lynching into those four is going to absolutely suck. Even IF Palmar is scum it's still going to suck.
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Well that saves us a mislynch I guess? Kinda annoying but mafia did lose tube so I can't be too broken up in the interest of fairness.
If we somehow figure out that Palmar is no longer on the block for today I'd really like to look into Geript as though he were not 'modconfirmed.' Or Hopeless. I don't really think Jiggles/BM is scum. Kush I've honestly got no clue.
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Actually I shouldn't put Jigglypuff in the same category as BM. I know BM isn't scum.
Alright Palmar I will assume you are town. Remember that what I said earlier on about my vote still stands and will stand until the time comes to hammer you. I won't remind you again.
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Would him being carefree include his dumb vote on yamato?
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On May 09 2013 07:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually I shouldn't put Jigglypuff in the same category as BM. I know BM isn't scum.
Why do you know BM isn't scum? I agree, I just want to know your thought process. A few things that I can point out real quick. I know I was unsure of him for most of the game but in later days:
On May 06 2013 18:21 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 17:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: With that I meant that I consider you three pretty strongly town, not that I suspect any of you. Geript because of the marvkill, and Yamato because I really don't see how he could've held this kind of activity and care this much as scum with a scumteam including at least 3 inactives.
I don't like lynching GiggleS at the moment, but I'd be happy to pressure Stutters for a bit. With Palmar I want him to check WoS since if he's insane and not paranoid he'll get a green check on him regardless, so we'll be certain of his alignment presuming it's legit. If he gets red we can always off him then. Why do you see me as town?I realized what you meant, but I know you knew you didn't have to explain that to me. We are pretty much on the same page, from what I have read from you... I didn't really think Drazak was scum, even when I made a weak little case on him - I was just wanting to pressure your slot. That's where you replaced into, right? As far as I can tell this is rarely something scum wants to question even if it makes them look towny.
I remember his analysis of the Shiao wagon at the time of the VE derail looked good, and then this.
On May 08 2013 15:03 Bill Murray wrote: ok im modconfirmed town now
Under normal circumstances I would think this to be alignment null but the act of pointing this out himself, knowing that if he was scum or wrong other people would shut him down (ie you) shows that he has complete confidence in this. I am unsure exactly why it modconfirms him town myself, same with the Geript thing (I have some idea about the gript thing but I think it's weak evidence) but nonetheless it is his actions.
What about you, Palmar?
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On May 09 2013 07:30 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 07:12 Palmar wrote: Assuming that scum did NOT hold their block, BC can, I suppose, be safely removed from the pool of players I need to look at today, leaving 4.
geript stutters hopeless giggles I think that this list is shit. Inactivity at this point is less likely to come from scum we're in the phase where inactivity kills. If they felt defeated already they could've just conceded after Ace was killed. Scum obviously feel confident that despite being shit on early, they have a good shot at winning, that means that scum are likely more active than inactive. If anything, Palmar's just throwing shit out to push another mislynch. He's bitching about people calling him scum is based on shit; that's the pot calling the kettle black. His whole case on yamato was shit. Here's his case on Oats: "He called me scum so Oats is totes scum." Here's Palmar's case on yamato: "Yamato called me scum so he's totes scum." Fuck you Palmar, we're not that dumb. You've made a bullshit claim and made bullshit pushes for bullshit reasons. You're a hypocrit and an idiot. VE's right, you're wrong more than you are right and no one should ever listen to you. The fact that you are 'alive' at this point is ridiculous. Besides, you had to 'check' to see if you taking a hit after being jailed would be told; you were only checking to see if you could safely claim the hit. It also explains why there was only 1 roleblock on N2 because you recognized Ace was scum and didn't want to die. Ace must've taken the hit on N1. Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 05:15 Ace wrote:On April 25 2013 05:13 Palmar wrote: I need a few things cleared up to proceed. a few things like what? Proofs and shit. lol jesus Geript, tell us how you really feel. This is the kind of thing I was trying to refrain from posting, though the points in there have merit.
As far as a townread on Giggles, I'll get back to you on that, I remember those being my last thoughts towards him but I haven't looked in a while.
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On May 09 2013 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 08:36 kushm4sta wrote: also I don't get why palmar thinks BC is town.. anyone want to post me to the post where that is explained? I'm guessing it has something to do with game mechanics. I think I just died. I think I need to make sure every game I'm in from now on has pics/gifs allowed.
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On May 09 2013 09:45 kushm4sta wrote: so town couldn't have rb him? Oh, kush, you cutie.
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Ohai guise. Would be nice to hear something from BC today. I'm going to do a read of the people I'm unsure of here and probably toss up a scummy list post at some point during the day. I want to say it's either Hopeless or Palmar today but I want to be sure.
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Oh and Hopeless, the association reads that GiygaS is making are bad, though I don't necessarily see them as scummy. What I DON'T like is his avoidance of the main issue of the day, being Palmar.
On May 07 2013 09:23 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 09:07 kushm4sta wrote: dudes can we just lynch hopeless? that is the lynch im most comfortable with I think THIS. Palmar's entire case on Yamato seems to be that he made some reaching town reads on that list, and that he's flippy floppy on kush. Meanwhile, Yamato is completely set on the fact that one of BC and Palmar just HAS TO BE SCUM, IT JUST HAS TO. I'm going with Hopeless, and I'm not going to switch my vote to either Yamato or Palmar until there is an actually convincing case against them, or if one (or both) make a scumslip. ##Vote Hopeless1der This looks a LOT like distancing, Gigs. What gives? Especially since there was a SHIT TON of info on yamato and Palmar; you just seem to wilfully ignore it.
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Hopeless are you around? Can we has chat?
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On May 10 2013 02:03 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 23:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh and Hopeless, the association reads that GiygaS is making are bad, though I don't necessarily see them as scummy. What I DON'T like is his avoidance of the main issue of the day, being Palmar. On May 07 2013 09:23 GiygaS wrote:On May 07 2013 09:07 kushm4sta wrote: dudes can we just lynch hopeless? that is the lynch im most comfortable with I think THIS. Palmar's entire case on Yamato seems to be that he made some reaching town reads on that list, and that he's flippy floppy on kush. Meanwhile, Yamato is completely set on the fact that one of BC and Palmar just HAS TO BE SCUM, IT JUST HAS TO. I'm going with Hopeless, and I'm not going to switch my vote to either Yamato or Palmar until there is an actually convincing case against them, or if one (or both) make a scumslip. ##Vote Hopeless1der This looks a LOT like distancing, Gigs. What gives? Especially since there was a SHIT TON of info on yamato and Palmar; you just seem to wilfully ignore it. My problem with the association read is that he says 1 of me and yamato essentially must be scum, but I 100% know hes wrong (since yamato flipped). If you think I'm town, or want to flip me first to confirm then by all means. But once my alignment is secured, giygas' actions look real scummy to me. Why does this make him scummy? It may make him wrong, but what specifically is scummy about that action?
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Ok reading through GiygaS from the start; I'm about 1/3 of the way through and I have no idea how he could be scum. He's actively pushed reads on now-flipped scum and does not look to be out for towncred in the slightest. Still reading, but I would still like him to answer my Qs.
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He reacts to my pressure genuinely...kinda crappy answers but genuinely nonetheless.
Yeah, he voted to lynch Syl but Syl is lynchbait in every game supposedly, he just seems to be following thread sentiment alongside throwing legit reads of his own in here and there. He has a very early scumread on Palmar that to my knowledge he should still have, so yeah I'd really like to hear his thoughts.
Oh wait just stumbled upon this:
On May 02 2013 07:24 GiygaS wrote: Just catching up, and still on only page 120 of the re-read due to sleep + school. However, we should NOT lynch Palmar. He has a huge town read for me as his first finger pointing for mafia was Clarity on day 1, along with BM. Both of them can not be scum in my eyes for that reason, unless one of them straight up slips. When the hell did this change? Didn't he still have a scumread on Palmar at the time he's referring to??
On May 02 2013 11:36 GiygaS wrote: Ok, I'm giving in and just gonna read filters. Rereading the entire thread is really inefficient for reads. His flip on Palmar happens seemingly because he was re-reading the entire thread and he gives up here. I dunno...seems really unlikely he'd admit to this as scum. I think he's genuinely just posting shit off the top of his head as he goes and following thread sentiment where he can. He's tunneled Hopeless for days, even when yamato was up for lynch. Not really scummy at all.
The only thing I can think of here is that he is being coached in the scum QT and it would have to be someone who has basically shared his reads throughout the game; BC seems a likely partner if GiygaS were scum, but again I find that highly unlikely.
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On May 10 2013 02:35 kushm4sta wrote: no im saying right as you are about to be lynched, you start acting super town and everyone is like damn he looks town now. you are good at that. I don't that ever happened Kush. No one has called him all that towny as far as I know. And Hopeless I also did not want to vote for Yamato for similar reasons though your activity made me hesitant to vote for you as well. If he has townreads on BC/Palmar/BM like he's said, who else is he going to vote for? I chose Palmar, he chose you.
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I'm going to look into Hopeless atm but for now it doesn't seem as though anyone else is a likely lynch for me today. TRN do you still think Gigs is scummy based on what Artanis and I have said? BM?
Process of elimination is certainly winding down here, and I still want to hear other people's thoughts on my analysis of Palmar.
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On May 10 2013 03:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I admire your dedication WoS. I'm personally having a case of cba and just wish to make a list of 4 players to carpet bomb into, since we'll have 4 lynches to lynch 2 scum players. Current list of players I would carpet bomb Palmar Hopeless1der Getmoript TRN
I kinda wanna put Kush in there too but I'm not sure who to swap out for it. Maybe TRN. Lol what is hilarious is I was thinking the exact same thing and would pick the exact same people. I still have that lingering doubt though that the game isn't solved which is what's keeping me going.
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Also it's entirely possible we have a survivor which kinda fucks with 'carpet-bombing,' but it's not something we need to (or should) worry about right now.
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On May 10 2013 03:38 TheRavensName wrote: I think giggles and Palmar need to be lynched,in that order. They have both looked TERRIBLE the entire game, but somehow just scrape on by. And WoS, if I could find a partner for you, I would bomb the hell out of you. Its sadly just too damn hard to put you as anyones friend. No way does GiygaS go second to Palmar. No way in hell. And that's even IF I found him scummy, which I don't.
Are you even going to look at anything I wrote or just write off my townread on him completely?
And as far as friends go, I dare you to try and lynch me, bro, friends or not.
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You know what....I wrote you off as town for most of the game TRN but this behaviour out of you is fishy as all fuck.
You've earned yourself a second look, pal-o'-mine. Scum masoner entirely within the realm of possibility.
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Can we list off TRN's Mason targets in order just so I have a little contextx when filter diving? Palmar, yamato, me, BC, who else and on which nights?
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And BC if you've finished catching up I assume your thoughts are forthcoming?
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On May 10 2013 05:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Can we list off TRN's Mason targets in order just so I have a little contextx when filter diving? Palmar, yamato, me, BC, who else and on which nights? I asked him for this info in the mason qt. Still waiting on a response. I think it went, Palmar, yamato, you, sharrant, me I've never quite understood what you're supposed to get out of a mason role or being masoned...the ability to use it well seems beyond me. I'll be looking back at my log with him but I doubt I'll find anything useful. If I do find something worth noting it will definitely be in his filter.
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On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me.
The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what?
##Vote: TheRavensName
I will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy.
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Alright thoughts on Hopeless: Looks town early then the fucking Oats vote. Hopeless why would you do this as town? It just looks horrible---you didn't even MENTION him in the thread before that point.
And then the pressure on Sharrant...like...wtf..... I guess bad town is possible here but damn. Calls Shiao town based on the Clarity lynch which means he was either voting Shiao just to spite Sharrant and make his scumread of him earlier look good? You could fucking vote for Shiao based on the fact that he was scum like I did...just really looks awful. I'm trying to find ways Hopeless can be town here but failing.
Howdoes he clearly defend me regarding the Miller claim issue when nobody else (aside from Ace) sees it? He even sees it from a completely different perspective than Ace yet comes to similar conclusions. Seems more likely to be scum here imo since he knows I'm town. Like....it's POSSIBLE he's town with that read but when NO ONE ELSE in the town shared it?
Haha oh unrelated I found something interesting: Shiao's WIFOMBomb he left before he died isn't WIFOM at all.
On May 01 2013 00:23 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 00:19 Hopeless1der wrote:On May 01 2013 00:13 ShiaoPi wrote:On May 01 2013 00:01 yamato77 wrote:On April 30 2013 23:48 ShiaoPi wrote:On April 30 2013 23:47 yamato77 wrote:On April 30 2013 23:43 ShiaoPi wrote: yo guys, kill gigyas, stutters and VE thats the scum team and kush or the cobbler are 3rd party.... What is this supposed to be? Just leaving behind my point of view, before someone stupid hammers me Looks like a WifomBomb® you dont say? Lets kill yamato too while we are at it so you're calling three scum, two 3rd parties and a Planar Dragon in there somewhere? dont forget two traitors: BM and Sharrant no in all seriousness, I am farily sure in gigyas and stutters, coinflipping between VE and palmar and I do think one of kush/cobbler are 3rd party Looking at the first bomb he dropped (no mention of sharrant/BM/Palmar) I want to say everyone in that list is town. Then I bet he was yelled at in the scum QT by whoever the 'active' scum is to add a few. The 2nd Bomb is paranoia setting in; can't be 100% sure of the others he named but no mention of TRN/Geript is interesting. You can ignore the above if you want it's just something I noticed. (Personally since I see BM as town and so was Sharrant it almost makes me wonder if literally everyone in his 2nd bomb is town too...including Palmar.)
ANYWAY BACK TO HOPELESS READ
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On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven.
Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it.
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You're trying to 'resist' the analysis? What does that even mean? You don't want to being it to the thread for fear of derailing a lynch? You don't want to analyze me? If you did all sorts of work with Sharrant why not help the fucking town with it? I really don't understand your motivation here.
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Fuck I can't do it. I can't give Hopeless a townread his voting and lack of reasoning has just been so fucking awful. The stuff in between the voting isn't so bad but UGH.
THIS GAME IS TOO FUCKING HARD
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I think I'm eventually have to side with Artanis despite all my reading and just carpet-bomb the fuck out of that list. Too much scummy shit going on to be sure one way or the other and I just can't get solid reads on so many people. Before that I will read into TRN though. Not sure when that will be finished.
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On May 10 2013 06:30 Hopeless1der wrote: WoS, my votes primarily come down to consolidating and denying my scumreads the satisfaction. More recently they've been about self-preservation to a large extent, scummy as that may seem its still playing to my (i.e. Anyone's) win-con. I'm sorry I neglected to give more thought out reasoning and transparency for my actions. If a post-hoc explanation would assist in anything, let me know what you'd like me to comment on.
Interesting. Finish what you were doing first. EIther way you're not #1 on my napalm list today so you've got time. (assuming I can somehow sway thread sentiment anyway).
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On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why.
Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol.
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Also you use Vivax as an example? He listed OO in that post as semi-scummy too. If people wanted me killed they've had plenty of opportunity. The only I way I go down now is through NK and I doubt I'm very high priority. YOURE STUCK WITH ME 'TILL THE BITTER END
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On May 10 2013 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll say this in defense of TRN: ctrl+f: cedric Read just those 3 posts that turn up and see how you feel, barring the rest of his filter. I got town from that exercise when I did it a couple days ago. Yeah....that thing. I'm going to do the same thing with his filter but that's probably the biggest point for town he's got. I'm not sure what it'll mean for my final read.
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On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you. So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever?
AM I SCUM OR NOT?
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On May 10 2013 06:55 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you. So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever? AM I SCUM OR NOT? I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! AM I? I don't know. But the difference between what you did and what I did is I'm showing commitment to a read. I'm systematically going through and seeing if I can back up my gutread on you.
On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
You just threatened me with some shit from a mason QT amongst a bunch of other scumreads, and tried to divert me to 'scummier' people in the thread. And when I asked you specifically about the things you posted I found scummy, you ignored it.
See the difference there?
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Ugh, malware on my wife's laptop. It may take me a little longer to get to my read of TRN. Again I think it the end it's going to be just to fucking napalm the shit out of half the thread until we kill all scum.
Show of hands, is anyone else on board for this, and if so, what is the order in which you'd like to do it?
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Fuck it, cba. Even I get it sometimes. ##Unvote: TheRavensName ##Vote: Palmar For reasons given earlier. If I get the chance mabes I'll look into TRN tomorrow.
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Although one thing to note: Atm Giggles has 3 votes on him despite me and Artanis clearly reading him as town. What does this mean?
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Those fucking spiderman pics kill me. Ill be at a computer in a little bit, might have active time today to go at TRN. At the very least Palmar ill show you why my vote's on you.
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The problem I am having here is the same as Palmar just pointed outn and TRN pointed out about me earlier. Too few people who I can read as solely town due to their actions. Hopeless for me is one of those people: his voting is scummy as all fuck but his actions seem towny. I want to look into TRN just because. Palmar for reasons I have outlined in the past. I will link the post when I have computer access.
Kush you of all people have absolutely no right to question what I am doing or why.
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On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to. (This may just be referring to me in this case, but it's an attitude I see from a few players on mafia, BC included. Ace appears to be an exception.)
Despite the fact that you see me and my cases as terrible, I've been right about quite a few things this game (though nobody appears to acknowledge this---yet you're constantly bringing up things YOU were right about), and I also know who the JK is, and have for a little while now. There are many things that I have contributed that simply get bypassed because my way of figuring out the game doesn't fit within the brackets of what you would determine to be 'good play' yet apparently achieves the same result (or in this case, BETTER results if people ever listened to me).
I was unsure about your case originally when I wrote it, but if you'd read it wasn't necessarily a case to get you lynched, it was merely a summation of my thoughts on you, some points and counterpoints, and then I literally said "I dunno guys, help me out." AND NOBODY DID. Town is a team, and no one can be sure of their own cases/reads all of the time, not even you, yet many people treat their reads as G-d's word to fucking Moses. It was an opening for you or anyone else to say: "your case is shit and here's why." "Or I agree for such and such reasons" But nobody did so I was left with my own thoughts echoing in my head.
I'm going to wipe all bias I have clean when I look into you over the next little bit, just as I did the first time. If you ignore it then despite what I find I will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow as I will therefore not be seeing you as an asset to town alive, only through the information gleaned by your death. Whether or not people listen to me on that will not matter to me. Whether or not you feel threatened by this does not matter to me. If you, or other people respond, perhaps we can actually begin to solve this game properly. I gave you ample warning Palmar, not only here, but in a couple posts after this I believe. You once again ignored my analysis of you, therefore you are my target. Just because you believe people are voting you for no reason doesn't make it true. You had plenty of opportunity to address my questions towards you as well as my case and you chose to ignore them once again. I will be taking that as a scum response, assuming you have no good answers to the questions I have posited.
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On May 10 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Kush you of all people have absolutely no right to question what I am doing or why. ok then can someone else question WoS on why Hopeless' actions look townie? Can someone else ask Wos, what actions specifically look townie? Is it his megaposts full of townreads? Also can someone inform WoS that it looks like hopeless is going to get lynched today, and he should be your main focus atm. Pushing two suspects that no one is going to listen to is not helpful to the game right now. Kush, I don't give a shit if you've decided to be all supertown 2 weeks into the game; your push means nothing to me. If I find Hopeless scummy it will be because of something anyone but you did.
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Artanis, if Hopeless goes down today and flips town, what is our next course of action? It seems people will want to look into Gigs....
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On May 11 2013 00:19 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:On May 10 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Kush you of all people have absolutely no right to question what I am doing or why. ok then can someone else question WoS on why Hopeless' actions look townie? Can someone else ask Wos, what actions specifically look townie? Is it his megaposts full of townreads? Also can someone inform WoS that it looks like hopeless is going to get lynched today, and he should be your main focus atm. Pushing two suspects that no one is going to listen to is not helpful to the game right now. Kush, I don't give a shit if you've decided to be all supertown 2 weeks into the game; your push means nothing to me. If I find Hopeless scummy it will be because of something anyone but you did. LOL dude wtf. I'm not asking you to respect me or be convinced by me or anything. I'm just asking you why specifically is hopeless town.. My questions are about your own thoughts, not mine. I don't think he's town, there are way too many things wrong with him to be town, but there's always that minute possibility that he really WAS just fucking lazy and sheeping onto all the wrong targets. Re-reading my own thoughts on him (I guess I should have written more of them down) I know there were town aspects to his play that I found but not enough to call him town and I honestly have no desire to re-re-read him right now.
I'm nearing that stage of the day where I just want to see a flip but I'm going to hold myself back because of Palmar and because of what happened last time people 'just wanted to see a flip.' (Which, oddly enough Kush you were a part of)
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Also I meant to comment on Palmar's thoughts that if I were scum I'd be the best on TL in a long time. Flattery will get you everywhere, sir, however I lament the future scumteam that has to put up with me on their side in my first game. EIther that or I just have to remember to act exactly how I did this game? trolololol
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On May 11 2013 01:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to. (This may just be referring to me in this case, but it's an attitude I see from a few players on mafia, BC included. Ace appears to be an exception.)
Despite the fact that you see me and my cases as terrible, I've been right about quite a few things this game (though nobody appears to acknowledge this---yet you're constantly bringing up things YOU were right about), and I also know who the JK is, and have for a little while now. There are many things that I have contributed that simply get bypassed because my way of figuring out the game doesn't fit within the brackets of what you would determine to be 'good play' yet apparently achieves the same result (or in this case, BETTER results if people ever listened to me).
I was unsure about your case originally when I wrote it, but if you'd read it wasn't necessarily a case to get you lynched, it was merely a summation of my thoughts on you, some points and counterpoints, and then I literally said "I dunno guys, help me out." AND NOBODY DID. Town is a team, and no one can be sure of their own cases/reads all of the time, not even you, yet many people treat their reads as G-d's word to fucking Moses. It was an opening for you or anyone else to say: "your case is shit and here's why." "Or I agree for such and such reasons" But nobody did so I was left with my own thoughts echoing in my head.
I'm going to wipe all bias I have clean when I look into you over the next little bit, just as I did the first time. If you ignore it then despite what I find I will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow as I will therefore not be seeing you as an asset to town alive, only through the information gleaned by your death. Whether or not people listen to me on that will not matter to me. Whether or not you feel threatened by this does not matter to me. If you, or other people respond, perhaps we can actually begin to solve this game properly. I gave you ample warning Palmar, not only here, but in a couple posts after this I believe. You once again ignored my analysis of you, therefore you are my target. Just because you believe people are voting you for no reason doesn't make it true. You had plenty of opportunity to address my questions towards you as well as my case and you chose to ignore them once again. I will be taking that as a scum response, assuming you have no good answers to the questions I have posited. I don't know what questions you're talking about. That's why I'm asking you to link them. I responded to both the post you quoted and your original case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18530889http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18531504I cannot respond to accusations I don't know what are.. you're making this really hard for me. Just tell me what you want me to respond to.
I don't understand exactly how you miss these, especially since you were around at the time I made them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404332¤tpage=259#5176
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404332¤tpage=260#5185
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Oh and reading through my own filter I found something interesting. First of all, CC called geript scum of a while. Just mentioning that for when I eventually gather up the impetus to filter dive some more. Second:
On April 25 2013 17:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote: Oh, that's right, it was Shiao who dropped that hammer.
WOW, I forgot all about that bullshit.
I could lynch him just for that. Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 11:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright ladies I remember reading through earlier and thinking 'it's fucking obvious Vivax masined a scum' who did he mason N1?
Oh fuck nvm now I remember BH posted it doesnt start till the day? it's all coming back. Ok. Drinking lots of water B\M Imf ine.
I'm not voting for VE rihgt now I need lots more evidence than that 'cause like many others I jsut can't get a fucking handle on him. I'm still up for Shiaopi or Sylencia, not 100% sure on CLarity; something he psoted seemed really town-motivated so I'd ideally want to look elsewhere. The hammer is honestly the worst thing I think shiaopi has going for him (amongst other things) I remember when I hammered in Ego at least I had dropped some suspicion onto Axle at some poitn during the day and discussed it somewhat; why the fuck as town would you hammer blindly like that> Lol even drunk I made a little sense. Reading for real now. Also I may or may not have loled at the reason you don't want to call me scum geript.
Blind hammer vote (which is essentially what Kush's vote on yamato was) without reasoning leads to scum. Kush?
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The poblem is Hopeless's voting record is even worse as far as I can tell.
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On May 11 2013 03:20 Palmar wrote: in addition I disagree that it's easy to point out scum mistakes. The reason is that it's hard to analytically read a post and reach a conclusion when you already know what the conclusion will be. It takes a lot of discipline to manufacture good correct reads as scum, just like it takes a lot of time to create good incorrect reads. In some cases this is true, but I argue in Clarity's case it isn't true; the entire thread was basically jumping down his throat (except for me but I dumb I guess) with multiple reasons as to why he looked so scummy. Doesn't seem so difficult to me as scum to just pick one of a multitude here.
I also disagree that I'm 'finding the result I want to find through WIFOM.' You wanted me to look at both scum and town perspectives throughout my analysis of you and so I did; I am simply stating what I find to be more likely.
Anyway, continue.
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On May 11 2013 03:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:26 kushm4sta wrote: Also do you guys believe in balance? I do. And what that means is even though hosts like you to think scumteams are random, they aren't. A scumteam in a big game like this is never full of newbies. According to balance, either Palmar or BC must be scum. This is not true whatsoever. Hosts all balance differently and perceive player skill completely differently than other people do. Keep in mind Bill Murray is as experienced if not more so than myself and has been playing for just as long pretty well. He is more experienced likely than Palmar. Yet is completely ignored and overall has done nothing this game. I have no idea why you are trying to lynch Palmar off setup speculation. If we did shit based off that I would be lynching BM and TRN right now. Thinking about this, though, I believe (if I didn't before) that the remaining scum must be congratulated on their play this game.
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I'd be so tempted right now just to flip a coin or something. Fuck this game man. And fuck that there are so many people not trying when im busting my ass.
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That's a real hasty vote, sir. I haven't even done my read into him yet but that certainly motivates me...
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Oh god why is this happening. Haha at this point scum will just win because everybody's too damn sick of the game to care lol
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Alright, the long awaited TRN post:
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean. Typical newbie entry here among a lot of his other first few posts. Afraid to be aggressive early, step on anyone's toes or claim town or anything. Null I suppose but worth noting because I believe it sets the standard for the rest of his play all game whether scum or town: he is new and will play as such.
On April 22 2013 10:46 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote:Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote: @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now?
Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?
Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?
Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games. I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points. I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.) In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active? So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read. Your sentences are the run-onniest. You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game? Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size. Answers questions asked of him every time; to me that is a newbie town tell---hell I'm still guilty(?) of it.
On April 22 2013 20:45 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:46 TheRavensName wrote: Wos, could you please post some reads of your own, like ones on Sharrant and Ray seeing as how they seem to want to go at it and you shot only my read on one of them and ignored the other, who you have mostly been ignoring all game FoS on WoS seeing as how he has time to make comment that do nothing but not answer questions that would actually force him to post a read on people hes yelling at others for posting a flawed read on. I know his tunneling of me early showed up as town originally, and it sort of still does but I am kind of curious that I was probably his first serious suspect? I'm one of the only people he has actually played with before and probably less intimidating than some of the vets so I could see this as an easy way to look as though he's laying some suspicion down that won't earn him any backlash. Overall still leaning town on this but I'm keeping it in the back of my mind.
On April 22 2013 23:38 TheRavensName wrote: Rayn your righyt and I want to apologize, that was jarjar and rainbows who said that. I apparently need to pretend that game never happened because I,m still not sure I know lol. Please don't use this crucify me again all day 1 for it even if its more fitting this time. Again I know from my early play to be apologetic CAN be seen as scummy but I see it as town, having done it many times.
On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Doesn't drop his suspicion on me despite many other things such as yamato v Oats going on in the thread. Town.
On April 23 2013 21:53 TheRavensName wrote: I'm not sure why Clarity's case is being called completly random.... I mean Ray, Sharrant, and I both ended up making cases on each other that were mostly ignored in all the spamfest, so I think it has at least some merrit if nothing else. Not much came of them but it did happen. I would have saved it till night though personally Clarity, I'm not sure your going to convince people that lynching one of the more active spammers is better then someone who at least a few people have a town read on.You really should make a comment on the current lynch targets instead. Uh oh...soft defense of Clarity doesn't look great here, plus coaching in thread? (lol maybe stretching a bit but I want to see it from both sides)
On April 24 2013 11:59 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would like to see what Sharrant contributes next when he comes back. I think he is town atm. Do you think Clarity's case was well thought out? I think he only pointed out the facts that speak against Sharrant from his filter and left Sharrant's real contributions out. So your thinking one scum buddied him up the other is going after him? That could be but.. I feel like Clarity's entrance doesn't make sense from a scum point, and attacking him was really easy to do for scum, enough that it should at least be looked at. Also doesn't look great. I have to be careful here though because I also fucked up with Clarity, so I know it's possible.
On April 25 2013 04:21 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... and Cedric's flavortext lives up to its reputation. Yeah.....fucking breadcrumbs man. I dunno everything in the game thus far has me saying TRN is town. Even his questioning of Rayn's flip on thinking Sharrant is scummy seems towny.
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On May 11 2013 11:26 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote: balance argument was for lynching you bc, not palmar. or you or palmar but mostly you. and ofc its not the only thing I consider just a factor.
Also this trn shit is retarded. TRN really does not look like first time scum. I olled scum in the last noobie game I played. WoS saw it. I tunnel as scum. See, you say this, but you tunneled the shit out of me all of D1 without dropping an actual vote. You probably should be quiet right now and let me work.
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On April 29 2013 15:53 TheRavensName wrote: So wait, why do you people want to lynch Siao when the cop is claiming innocent on Shiao as opposed the guilty on Syl? Defense of Shiao now. Again not sure I can blame him since there WERE others who did this.
Also something important worth noting here. During periods of activity he posts often, not often enough for a check with the scum QT to see if he's doing things right. As a first time scum player. The section I'm reading right now would have him bussing both Ace and Shiao (he says Ace is scum) and posting on it like every minute.
No way is TRN scum. Still reading just to be sure because I have a few questions either way.
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This'll be my last post for a bit I promise. (sorry about the quadpost!!)
On May 02 2013 21:11 TheRavensName wrote: Just post the damn case. If I hype it and find even one thing wrong with it, I'm going to ignore it so your better off just doing it.
The 'popcorn' incident really isn't much of an incident. I can also, as a fairly new player, understand exactly why he refrained from 'giving Artanis popcorn.' It wasn't because he didn't want to see the case, rather the asking for popcorn comes off as patronizing and giving up what little control you have over people's responses to you and your actions in a game where, as a newbie, few people tend to pay attention to you. TRN here just wanted to be a big boy here imo; I can't say I wouldn't have done the same in his shoes. He attempts to draw so much attention to himself here and in other places as well I REALLY don't see in any way how he could be mafia.
haha tube's only vote all game was on TRN as well.
On May 11 2013 08:22 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 07:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 11 2013 07:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: .................... what the hell is happening Make massive case on you, no one votes. Write one paragraph on TRN, 2 sheep within an hour. That's mafia. Yes, 2 people sheeping for bad reasons is in fact MAFIA. i can't believe you guys are willing to push me over say BM or Kuh or anyone else who has done nothing and shows up enough to not get warned. Why push anything when you got the town killing itself? Especially if you got people who are willing to vote with their scum reads. The hell guys? He's right, imo. Aside from votecount analysis and maybe the last couple pages of filter I don't think this guy's done anything scummy all game. I'd rather lynch Hopeless than TRN---his votecount analysis looks even worse because he provides no reasons for half of his townvotes and his filter isn't nearly as squeaky clean in places.
Questions for TRN: Your vote analysis doesn't look great. Only person on Palmar when Shiao was clearly scum, and by my count you haven't voted for a single flipped scum all game. What geevs?
On May 07 2013 03:30 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:Death Eaters Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks. You slipping Again WoS? its right there in the role listing. I think a town would have noticed this. Especially sense its been brought up before about why Mafia would bus one about to be mod killed in order to save one of their KP shots.
On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
Why do you keep trying to call me scum without actually calling me scum all game? I know you've sort of explained it, but assuming your quote earlier about yourself is correct, you've been tunneling me all game but been afraid to come right out and say it.
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On May 10 2013 06:10 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:47 Palmar wrote: I don't know.
I just read sharrant's last day. He was pretty adamant about not lynching BC so that makes me happier not to lynch bc.
*shrug* He also told me in the QT to lynch you if you pull a guilty check. So... you might not want to be too happy. I feel we should be inclined to listen to this.
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On May 11 2013 11:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 15:53 TheRavensName wrote: So wait, why do you people want to lynch Siao when the cop is claiming innocent on Shiao as opposed the guilty on Syl? Defense of Shiao now. Again not sure I can blame him since there WERE others who did this. Also something important worth noting here. During periods of activity he posts often, not often enough for a check with the scum QT to see if he's doing things right. As a first time scum player. The section I'm reading right now would have him bussing both Ace and Shiao (he says Ace is scum) and posting on it like every minute. No way is TRN scum. Still reading just to be sure because I have a few questions either way. Oh yeah derp he's not first time scum I guess, but yeah I'm still not so sure he's experienced enough at the game to just post willy-nilly without consulting.
lol kush I totally don't get you at all
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If you have anything interesting to say, I'm around, but I just can't analyze anything anymore. I'm burnt out on the day.
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None of the lynches feel completely right to me atm, but by gum I'm sticking with Palmar. In truth I'm pretty sure the only two I could possibly see myself lynching today are those two, (maybe Geript if someone can provide I nice case I don't have to make myself?) so if the wagon goes in either of those directions I'll hammer gladly.
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On May 11 2013 21:17 Bill Murray wrote: can we keep on track with THIS game, please? thanks Really? Is this and your vote supposed to be masquerading as a contribution?
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On May 12 2013 00:45 Bill Murray wrote: TRN flip flopped really fast, as in his scumbuddy told him to get his vote the fuck off me
I'm keeping my vote here
Also like BC's kush vote, even if I don't feel like voting kush at this time
WoS - if it was up to me both you and Palmar would be dead for your antics. I'm trying to not spotlight too badly, because I don't want to die. What do I need to contribute? You need me to hold your hand? Lol. My antics? Go read the thread. I can't remember who said you were the towniest motherfucker in here but I've long since taken that title from you.
If you think that reason is sufficient then go ahead and keep your vote on him and the rest of us will just continue to ignore you for the rest of the game.
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It could be up to you, by the way, if you actually put effort in. Your excuse is you don't want to die? Horseshit. What does it matter if you die if you don't get scum lynched anyway?
Palmar or hopeless ladies and gents. Who's it gonna be?
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I'll vote hopeless but we still need more.
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Alright we're not getting anywhere else today. I'm pretty sure I still want to see palmar swing tomorrow though. Maybe geript like we said.
##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: Hopeless1der
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I'm not 100% surprised but either way something had to be done. Honestly geript is looking very likely to me atm. Hopefully we can learn something though now and with the NK.
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On May 12 2013 03:10 kushm4sta wrote: a part of me dies every time I help Lynch town sigh Yeah clearly you were real sad over lynching yamato.
Something had to be done because town was getting nowhere. Somebody needed to die to get us going again and give us some more info---Hopeless or Palmar seemed a better lynch to me than TRN and no one wanted to vote Palmar for some ungodly reason.
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On May 12 2013 03:06 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not 100% surprised but either way something had to be done. Honestly geript is looking very likely to me atm. Hopefully we can learn something though now and with the NK. Is it my turn to be tunneled by you now? I don't see any reason to move my vote. Palmar needs to go. Oh yeah clearly. Look at all the cases and voting I did on you all game, man. I can't even believe you haven't been lynched yet with all of the work I've done on you.
/sarcasm
I'm fine with lynching Palmar though I don't really see exactly why you are so crazily adamant about it without much of your own to go on.
How about this? Find me something I've missed in Palmar's game/filter and I'm more likely to vote him tomorrow. I've combed through pretty much everyone's filter at this point but I know that I miss things because other people come up with points that I don't even consider all of the time.
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On May 12 2013 03:21 kushm4sta wrote: I was real sad over lynching yamato, but at least I thought he was town. Then why the fuck lynch him? That doesn't make any goddamn sense.
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Voting analysis is very interesting. I think tonight's NK is going to allow us a red lynch tomorrow.
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On May 12 2013 06:20 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Voting analysis is very interesting. I think tonight's NK is going to allow us a red lynch tomorrow. Please post your thoughts just before the end of the night. That way we still have the info if you die. Yeah no, don't think I'll be doing that. Scum can figure out for themselves what they'd like to do.
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On May 12 2013 07:32 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 07:26 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 12 2013 06:20 GiygaS wrote:On May 12 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Voting analysis is very interesting. I think tonight's NK is going to allow us a red lynch tomorrow. Please post your thoughts just before the end of the night. That way we still have the info if you die. Yeah no, don't think I'll be doing that. Scum can figure out for themselves what they'd like to do. I mean like a minute before, so scum can't change their decision. Is there a problem to this I'm not seeing? I'm not sure if I'll be around for the daypost.
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I'd probably be ok to lynch kush or geript as I don't like these meta-type heuristics preventing me from lynching. (geript's being the 'mod-confirmed town and kush's being something about checking the OP early in the game or some shit? I dunno, fuck that.)
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On May 12 2013 12:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 03:21 kushm4sta wrote: I was real sad over lynching yamato, but at least I thought he was town. Anyone who ever ever wants a reason as to why I want kush lynched? This shit. He says he was sad about lynching yamato but he thought he was town? WHY WOULD YOU LYNCH A TOWN READ EVER.
On May 12 2013 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 03:21 kushm4sta wrote: I was real sad over lynching yamato, but at least I thought he was town. Then why the fuck lynch him? That doesn't make any goddamn sense.
Lead the pack tomorrow, bro. People don't listen to me. I want Palmar/kush/geript dead.
I don't know wtf is up with BM.
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On May 12 2013 21:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:16 TheRavensName wrote:On May 12 2013 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: yay ty for shooting me Don't worry Artanis. I'll throw out my perfect willingness to vote for you to make sure you don't get killed. You're probably the only one willing to vote me. I'm not going to get lynched. Scum's gonna have to shoot me at some point unless they manage to endgame me. I expect WoS will probably get shot rather than me tonight though. If they do, I'll make them regret it. Lol dis guy trying to WIFOM da scum so he'll get shot.
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Lucky bastard. Alright ladies and gents. What's it gonna be today? I'm not going to post like crazy today; I have to re-look into vote counts and it would be nice if some other less useful people contributed.
As I've said its likely to be palmaar geript or kush for me today, so if you've got anything interesting to say, say it.
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##Vote: kushm4sta
Ladies and gents, sheep me please. I'm feelin' good about this one.
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On May 13 2013 22:44 kushm4sta wrote: also can we slow down and take our time with this lynch? like take a week or some shit We've slowed down with every lynch to a point where it becomes worse that we've taken a long time because people cease to care.
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On May 14 2013 00:33 Palmar wrote: Even if people want to adhere to BM's idea of no-lynching for an extension, tomorrow is a better day for it. If we hit scum today we gain a ml. If we don't, the worst case scenario (assuming we want to nl) is we simply nl tomorrow instead to go from 4v2 to 3v2.
so it's better to take a shot today to try to gain a mislynch, hell it's a 25% chance we hit scum using rng. This. Join the wagon of justice, ladies and gents!!
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I'm pretty sure much of this thread does.
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On May 14 2013 01:07 Palmar wrote: does what? Now I'm excited, finish the story pls I dunno grammar fail. Include me in the dumbass brigade. Jesus what was I thinking.
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On May 14 2013 23:33 kushm4sta wrote: can you explain your reasonings on why gigyas looks bad... he fingered both clarity and shiaopi very early.
i thikn they both look town mostly becauseof feel reads type stuff like about how they approach thegame and the shit they say Nice. Solid points on day 30 that haven't been mentioned at all so far.
Can we lynch dis gai?
Dead game is very dead.
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On May 15 2013 00:08 kushm4sta wrote: noo dont lynch me yet. I still havent' found scum. Exactly.
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On May 14 2013 04:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 00:30 Palmar wrote: proposition (going to attempt this myself):
Try to read the game ONLY from the yamato lynch to today, and pretend whatever happened before that did not happen. The days before that were basically stupid autolynches that left very little to be analysed, whereas yamato was the first real lynch we had. The game became more manageable a this point.
I have a feeling this will help. tbh this just makes me more certain of my read of kush. I will do this with the remainder of the players alive and hopefully it bears some fruit. Hey BC, got anything yet? I'm sick of this game being dead. With your read on kush you should be voting him. Palmar? Geript? TRN?
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On May 15 2013 01:20 Palmar wrote: Just a question on personality.
I've don't know geript that well, but I've spoken with him, and he came across as a guy who wants to improve, wants to learn and is enthusiastic about the game of mafia. Maybe I'm overestimating him, but I kind of read him as a promising new-ish guy who would attempt to win the game no matter the odds.
I just see such a completely different attitude here. Compare the attitude of myself, WoS and Artanis in these last few days with geript's attitude. It's blatantly different. He's not even trying to win the game for town, which means, to me, that it's likely he isn't town.
Did you know that geript has an 11 page filter. Page 10 starts on like may 3rd. He's posting like 1-2 times a day since the Ace lynch. He's not involved at all and seems to care very little what happens, yet he's emotional enough to viciously attack me for no good reason.
dunnoh...
I think he's legit burnt out but I also think you could be right. Tomorrow. I have thoughts on him. He's on da carpet bomb list don't worry. You still are too, btw, though I hate how I keep having to put you off. #1 scumplay NA?
Palmar vote kush with us. Get on that ol' justice wagon.
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lol TBH I didn't understand what you were getting at there either. I've given TRN a serious look. I don't think he's scum mason. I want kush to flip right now because that's going to dictate what I do for the next period of time.
I don't know if I've given BC a serious look but didn't we assume the RB made him town? I'm sorry this game as gone on so fucking long I've forgotten what the conclusions on him were.
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On May 15 2013 02:05 getmoript wrote: I was going to write up a big thing, but palmar your argument is terrible for two very simple reasons that: 1. I'm a billion times more invested as scum than as town 2. The competitive games I play have had 3 major events 3 weeks in a row counting this week
You've tunneled me for what 2 days now? Didn't you even say that I'd be tunneling you or something? I'm happy to just lynch you then lynch me. Your defense is terrible. 1) You've played one scum game I think? And from what I've seen you're pretty equally invested in every game that I've been in with you, aside from this one. The difference here is the change in attitude attributable to your desire to move on to different mafia(game) related things but it could also be attributable to the fact that you may not have a scumteam coaching the shit out of you this game. Or some combination of both.
2) I dunno. Null on that obviously
I'm not sure that your suggestion to see Palmar drop then you is great since we may be at MYLO soon. A 1 for 1 sacrifice play could be pretty smart as scum right now IF you're sure that your buddy can end it, but I am not sure of this.
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On May 15 2013 02:14 Blazinghand wrote: Day 8 ends in just under 24 hours from this post, at Wednesday, May 15 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). If no majority is reached before that time, the day ends in a no-lynch. It is mandatory to vote before day end. Alright people, you heard the man. Let's do this please.
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Just do it Palmar. If kush isn't scum I'm pretty sure we're fucked anyway.
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Note Geript not voting. Palmar what's your excuse?
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On May 15 2013 05:17 TheRavensName wrote: WoS, what ever happened to that night kill analysis you were talking about doing? Lol I won't lie, half-bait to try and get me killed so I could get the fuck out of this game. Artanis got luckier.
The other half is I think I'm onto something but I'm not 100% sure of it and I don't want to say anything until kush goes down. I feel like looking back at it, it may have been mostly gut anyway.
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On May 15 2013 05:26 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Note Geript not voting. Palmar what's your excuse? Meh, you're being crazy. If Kush is scum, there's very little reason for either of us to not be pushing another lynch. If he's scum and I'm town, then I'm bad. If he's town and I'm scum, there's 0 reason to not fabricate a reason to hammer him. You said even a 1:1 trade is good; idk maybe it is but I think 1:1 trades are always bad for scum. I had a town read on Kush earlier; I think the "inactive now" argument is bad. I'd rather lynch palmar. So what you're saying is you'd rather no lynch. That in itself is scummy because you're not just flat-out coming out and saying it.
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On May 15 2013 05:29 getmoript wrote: No, I'm saying I'd rather lynch Palmar. No you're not. You garner no support for your lynch on Palmar, I'm sure as hell not switching right now; you know exactly that this will end up in a no-lynch unless BM changes his mind or Palmar votes.
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And this is why I get left alive until the end. Sigh. Oh well GG scum
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Well that kinda makes things easier? After tonight's NK we're at LYLO-1?
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This is why we're fucked. I can't trust you Palmar and if you ARE town then you'll get killed and I absolutely won't be able to solve this game on my own.
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Also I'm a dumbass this is LYLO after NK. Good to know we have townies who care about this game. On the one hand I still hate the idea that you're alive Palmar but on the other hand the fact that scum win if people remain inactive means scum are likely amonst those you've named. I'm on a fine line deciding how I'm going to approach our final day.
I want to be the hero town needs, not the one they deserve.
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Geript, why is BC alive? Do you believe they are both scum?
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On May 16 2013 09:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 08:53 getmoript wrote:On May 16 2013 08:42 Palmar wrote: Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript.
Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity. [spioler] On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote: Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront? Where did I say numerous? I said "There were confirmed townies who sheeped my reasons for lynching Clarity" Is this sentence false? I don't understand what you're getting at? [/spoiler] Who were those confirmed townies? I believe I asked you something similar to this when I was making cases against you earlier on and I don't remember there being a conclusive answer.
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On May 16 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote: Also, just so I have your metrics clear. Am I correct in my understanding that it's scummy for me not to have lead a lynch on scum by day 8, but not scummy for you? It's scummy that I haven't been shot, but not you? It's scummy that "I refuse to give analysis" but the fact that I probably have twice the amount you have, but that's ok?
I just want us to be on the same page for the discussion. Are these three things all true? ohhhhhhh shit G-ript you just got told.
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On May 16 2013 09:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 16 2013 09:00 Palmar wrote:On May 16 2013 08:53 getmoript wrote:On May 16 2013 08:42 Palmar wrote: Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript.
Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity. [spioler] On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote: Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront? Where did I say numerous? I said "There were confirmed townies who sheeped my reasons for lynching Clarity" Is this sentence false? I don't understand what you're getting at? Who were those confirmed townies? I believe I asked you something similar to this when I was making cases against you earlier on and I don't remember there being a conclusive answer. Kush and CC, I think, or maybe Bill Murray agreed with my reasons with his vote already there. Want me to go back and check? I'm pretty sure Kush said something like "Palmar convinced me to vote Clarity". [/spoiler] Yeah, if that's ok.
I'm still trying to determine what the best way of attacking the day is; I have some ideas but I'm going to need time. BC and Gigs, if you two are town you'd better get the fuck back here and start some goddamn discussion or something. If you're scum, don't bother.
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Honestly right now, what Gigs said about the voting is true. Take your vote off Palmar.
Why are Gigs and I alive, Geript?
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On May 16 2013 10:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: geript, town has played horribly to the point of appearing as scum. Given that + how quickly the first few days went with auto raping of scum its no surprise we are in this state -_-
One of WoS and palmar is likely mafia. The other is geript/giggles.
Now I say this for one simple reason. Given how many flipped roles we have of fucking with our dts (which we seem to have a bunch of) it seems unlikely to have 1 framer, 1 unaware miller, 1 aware miller, and a paranoid dt. That screams bastard hosts far to much. As such one of the two is likely mafia (having 3 roles to fuck with dts not as asshattish).
Given that I know I am town. I also think the removal of marv seems unlikely if he was mafia. As such I am inclined to say giggles mafia.
Of WoS and Palmar I would need to take a closer look at their filters. Except how can you be sure? I found myself doubting the fact that TRN was town simply because I don't understand why you'd have 2 town masons and no scum mason (The Game's mason roles were balanced). I refuse to go on host bullshit any longer, and I'm going to be real pissed at the town and real pissed at myself for believing them if Geript is scum for letting him go on for so long doing absolutely dick all because 'modconfirmed town u guise.'
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On May 16 2013 10:15 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 09:53 Palmar wrote:On May 16 2013 09:28 getmoript wrote:On May 16 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote: Also, just so I have your metrics clear. Am I correct in my understanding that it's scummy for me not to have lead a lynch on scum by day 8, but not scummy for you? It's scummy that I haven't been shot, but not you? It's scummy that "I refuse to give analysis" but the fact that I probably have twice the amount you have, but that's ok?
I just want us to be on the same page for the discussion. Are these three things all true? No, I admitted that there's no good reason for BC, you or me to be alive. And yes, I hold a good player to a higher standard than myself. Can you explain why you've been so wrong Emperor Palmtree? Do you stand by your assessment that I have done no analysis or refused to give reasoning this game? Is this opinion of yours based on extensive read of my filter? Your reasoning for voting for people has pretty consistently been that they called you scum aside from clarity and that was well after clarity was already going to happen. You've failed to produce analysis which actually has lead to a scum lynch. So yah. Practically everybody has failed to produce analysis that led to a scum lynch, bro. That's why we're in this situation. Clarity and Shiao is all we've got and that was weeks ago, and not everybody can claim credit for them.
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On May 16 2013 10:10 getmoript wrote: I'm not a mind reader WoS. And no, the fact that there are not 2 votes on Palmar means either that I'm scum, Palmar is scum or Giygas and BC are scum. Take your vote off of him.
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On May 16 2013 10:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 16 2013 10:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: geript, town has played horribly to the point of appearing as scum. Given that + how quickly the first few days went with auto raping of scum its no surprise we are in this state -_-
One of WoS and palmar is likely mafia. The other is geript/giggles.
Now I say this for one simple reason. Given how many flipped roles we have of fucking with our dts (which we seem to have a bunch of) it seems unlikely to have 1 framer, 1 unaware miller, 1 aware miller, and a paranoid dt. That screams bastard hosts far to much. As such one of the two is likely mafia (having 3 roles to fuck with dts not as asshattish).
Given that I know I am town. I also think the removal of marv seems unlikely if he was mafia. As such I am inclined to say giggles mafia.
Of WoS and Palmar I would need to take a closer look at their filters. Except how can you be sure? I found myself doubting the fact that TRN was town simply because I don't understand why you'd have 2 town masons and no scum mason (The Game's mason roles were balanced). I refuse to go on host bullshit any longer, and I'm going to be real pissed at the town and real pissed at myself for believing them if Geript is scum for letting him go on for so long doing absolutely dick all because 'modconfirmed town u guise.' Geript does nothing as town basically ever. I also just can't see marv getting modkilled as scum over something stupid as refusing to use a host made qt. He can just refuse to post in the scum qt anyway if he just wanted to talk to geript. This seems completely like a marv was happy talking to his hydra buddy in his own qt and the hosts gave him one later and said he had to use it. He was like "wtf no yo" In a situation where he was on a team I think he would be less likely to get himself modkilled as it fucks his team. Obviously its speculation but its also based on how he has interacted with me in the past. As such I can only conclude of him and giggles giggles is the scum. I'm going to disagree with you saying that Geript does nothing as town. He TRIES to do stuff, much like I do, but generally it amounts to nothing, also much like me. This game I see a marked decrease in effort and activity from every other game in which I've played with him.
As far as the modkill is concerned, I just can't put any weight on a read like that. If I conclude Geript to be scum it will be when I look into his filter because honestly it's just you two at this point who I haven't read in depth I think.
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BC I don't like that you've voted either right now. All we need is one dumb towny or scum to fuck it up right now. I can't assume anything about Gigs or Palmar being town voted by town 'because the two scum haven't ended the game,' because at any point in time they may not be active.
Can we please slow this down right now? I tried to rush lynch kush based on a gutread and BC's help and even though it wasn't exactly rushed we fucked up. This feels even worse than that one did and has real potential of going tits up any minute.
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On May 16 2013 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 10:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: geript, town has played horribly to the point of appearing as scum. Given that + how quickly the first few days went with auto raping of scum its no surprise we are in this state -_-
One of WoS and palmar is likely mafia. The other is geript/giggles.
Now I say this for one simple reason. Given how many flipped roles we have of fucking with our dts (which we seem to have a bunch of) it seems unlikely to have 1 framer, 1 unaware miller, 1 aware miller, and a paranoid dt. That screams bastard hosts far to much. As such one of the two is likely mafia (having 3 roles to fuck with dts not as asshattish).
Given that I know I am town. I also think the removal of marv seems unlikely if he was mafia. As such I am inclined to say giggles mafia.
Of WoS and Palmar I would need to take a closer look at their filters. Except how can you be sure? I found myself doubting the fact that TRN was town simply because I don't understand why you'd have 2 town masons and no scum mason (The Game's mason roles were balanced). I refuse to go on host bullshit any longer, and I'm going to be real pissed at the town and real pissed at myself for believing them if Geript is scum for letting him go on for so long doing absolutely dick all because 'modconfirmed town u guise.'
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Are you absolutely certain that BH didn't throw all these roles into the game? Because unless you are I see no reason to risk losing the game on that kind of a gamble.
Why do you have geript as more likely to be town?
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I see you removed your vote, I appreciate it. One of the only people I was absolutely sure was town was Gigs and due to the jailing BC is supposed to be town as well. I can technically vote into your pattern BC but I disagree with you on the Gigs/geript side of things, and i still have to re-read a bunch of things before I make any decisions.
I guess you probably won't answer but what do you mean 'if things stay as they are?'
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So you think Gigs and Palmar? Simply due to inactivity when it counts? Hmm. Again I'm uncomfortable just throwing a vote out until I've done what I want to do so you may have to wait a little while. It will happen tonight though. I am tempted to wait until Gigs shows up again as well just to see what he has to say.
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I don't like this wagon either. I certainly don't think it's a bus this late into the game.
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Ugh this goes completely against my palmar/geript scumline of thinking though, if palmar were scum and gigs town it would be over already.
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Haha I'm talking about this to my wife right now and she's says you're scum, Palmar. GG.
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Alright let me think here. Thought diarrhea to help me out: Palmar/BC scumteam unlikely due to jailing? (unless you two are super fucking sneaky and you jailed scum N1. ANything is possible at this point I guess) Palmar/geript impossible (gigs would have been dead and gg)
gigs/geript possible BC/geript possible. BC/gigs impossible (Palmar would have been dead and gg)
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Apparently I deleted one by accident. Palmar/gigs possible.
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Fucking second game now it's coming down to me and I fucked it up the first time. I'm going to take a while for this.
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On May 17 2013 06:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Fucking second game now it's coming down to me and I fucked it up the first time. I'm going to take a while for this. think of it this way. Do you think both geript and I are scum? Do you think one of us is town? If you think either of us is town, gigyas is confirmed mafia. Essentially geript is confirmed town (in my head anyway) and if you look at day 1 rbs then the only way I am scum is if scum defensively roleblocked a player most likely to get shot by a vig (if town had one) on a day town vig's couldnt shoot. There is absolutely no reason mafia would rb on day 1 defensively. Alright. Re-reading my read of Giygas I found a whole bunch of evidence of a gigs/Palmar scumteam that I sort of ignored because of his early pushes on both Shiao and Clarity...but then there's shit like this.
On April 26 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote: Oh and my reading on Palmar is not town anymore, but scummy, but not as scummy as Ace or ShiaoPi
Did he really bus his entire team that early into the game?
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Hmm that quote doesn't really get across what I'm reading in his filter. He essentially calls both Shiao and Clarity scum, then moves directly onto Palmar from there during talk about Ace.
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What happens if I vote Palmar right now?
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On May 08 2013 14:25 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 13:10 GiygaS wrote: Just off the top of my head, you're forgetting both WoS, Hopeless, and Getmoript on that deductive reasoning list. Also, I wouldn't be so sure on Stutters being town because of tube vote. Tube may have known that he was gonna get modkilled and WIFOM bombed Stutters. I'll look at this filter after school tomorrow to get a read on him, Hopeless and WoS and make a decision from there. I still think Palmar is town because of that early clarity bus, but I'll also reevaluate his filter tomorrow. well if palmar flips scum i know who i'm lynching and i'm going to be happy about it you were the weakest shiaopi "clear" i was considering, taking into account you unvoted the wagon, and detracted from it
Fuck it. I need this game to be over. YOLO BM caught a scumslip here I think and gigs flips his game-long scumread of palmar to town without even saying anything as numbers dwindle. Never votes him either all game despite calling him scum.
If I just lost us the game, then GG scum, you deserve it, and I will forever be a shit player it seems.
##Vote: GiygaS
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Even if you lose here scum, you deserve it anyway. WP.
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On May 17 2013 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly dude, if he flips town its my fault. Given how it would be 3 town in a row id have pushed -_- Not just you, man.
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On May 17 2013 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Even if you lose here scum, you deserve it anyway. WP. You deserve the GG I mean, not the loss.
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AMG someone please put me out of my misery and let me know wtf is going on with this flipppppp Taking a long time to post it makes me feel like its an endgame post aaaahhhhhh
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On May 17 2013 07:00 Palmar wrote: wow lulz. Alright well it's absolutely impossible for BC to be scum now...theoretically it's possible that geript bussed but that just seems dumb to me.
Palmar you gonna concede?
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On May 17 2013 07:04 Palmar wrote: This is fucking bullshit You're going to have it out? Alright, gl.
What's bullshit?
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On May 17 2013 07:05 Palmar wrote: Please modkill the people who abused the fucking time after the hammer was made to make themselves look town SO first of all, is there a rule that you're not allowed to post after a hammer if not explicity told so by mods? If so then I apologise but for me, the posts written by BC and geript have nothing to do with my thoughts going into this final day.
On May 17 2013 07:06 Palmar wrote: I wanted to fucking yell at you because I'm actually not scum. But because I don't fucking cheat I just let the rest of the people get away with it.
If I had gone on the tirade at you not even letting me write the goddamn case I would've actually looked even more fucking town than I already do, but I don't cheat so I'm going to get mislynched tomorrow.
This is absolute fucking bullshit. Post it anyway.
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So post it anyway. Go ahead, I'm listening.
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On May 17 2013 07:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +7. Once a majority has been reached, please do not post until the night-post. Alright fair. Well then it's up to BH. If he wants to let you win by modkilling all of us then I suppose he is well within his rights.
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On May 17 2013 07:30 Palmar wrote: I don't know who will be chosen to be the instrument of scum winning this game. It is absolutely inexcusable to lynch me unless you can provide reasoning for it.
Do not quickhammer, that's the worst possible play in lylo.
The problem here is that I'm even at this point not certain who the scum is between BC and geript. I'm almost leaning geript, but I don't know. Enough of this attitude. If you got lynched a week ago for shitty reasons and you turned up red then too fucking bad.
Now explain how it's even possible for BC to be scum right now.
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On May 17 2013 07:36 Palmar wrote: Because bussing is smart? Shit like this happens? So you're saying BC bussed gigs in order to take an extra day to win, when he could have won right away.
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On May 16 2013 02:04 Palmar wrote: Not like I've been much help solving it buddy. PS This is extra hilarious if you're scum.
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The people that are missing here mostly got autolynched or modkilled
Ace (lynched by default. My read was leaning town) Rayn (I never explained but clearly my intense sheeping of him means he's my number 1 town read early) Tube (Modkilled, null read at the time since he hadn't posted) Giggles (Just never worked up the will to read/analyse him) WoS (same as giggles)
I think that's it? Also this. So of everyone in the game you picked me and gigs not to analyze at all. Me being one of those people, what do you think that's going to make me think?
Hey BC/geript? Thoughts? Comments? Queries? Fucking popcorn?
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On May 17 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote:The people that are missing here mostly got autolynched or modkilled
Ace (lynched by default. My read was leaning town) Rayn (I never explained but clearly my intense sheeping of him means he's my number 1 town read early) Tube (Modkilled, null read at the time since he hadn't posted) Giggles (Just never worked up the will to read/analyse him) WoS (same as giggles)
I think that's it? Also this. So of everyone in the game you picked me and gigs not to analyze at all. Me being one of those people, what do you think that's going to make me think? Hey BC/geript? Thoughts? Comments? Queries? Fucking popcorn? Why would I shoot Artanis over you when Artanis was about the only person smart enough to pull his head far enough out of his ass and realize that it's almost no chance I'm scum. Wait....what? Why would you shoot...as scum....Artanis....who would be smart enough to realize there's no chance you're scum? That makes absolutely no sense.
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Like....if as scum you thought Artanis would give you a townread, you wouldn't shoot him, but then you say 'smart enough?'
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On May 17 2013 07:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 17 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote:On May 17 2013 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote:The people that are missing here mostly got autolynched or modkilled
Ace (lynched by default. My read was leaning town) Rayn (I never explained but clearly my intense sheeping of him means he's my number 1 town read early) Tube (Modkilled, null read at the time since he hadn't posted) Giggles (Just never worked up the will to read/analyse him) WoS (same as giggles)
I think that's it? Also this. So of everyone in the game you picked me and gigs not to analyze at all. Me being one of those people, what do you think that's going to make me think? Hey BC/geript? Thoughts? Comments? Queries? Fucking popcorn? Why would I shoot Artanis over you when Artanis was about the only person smart enough to pull his head far enough out of his ass and realize that it's almost no chance I'm scum. Wait....what? Why would you shoot...as scum....Artanis....who would be smart enough to realize there's no chance you're scum? That makes absolutely no sense. my point is: assume I'm scum. Someone needs to die. Why do I pick the one person who thinks I'm town? Because Artanis is better than me at the game? KISS
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I dunno like....I'm kicking myself for not having lynched you way earlier (and frankly the rest of you fuckers in the obs QT should be, too). I don't see anything you've done since the flip that hasn't reeked of desperation.
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If BC really pulled the shit he mentioned in his post as scum, then frankly he deserves to win by having fucking cohones like no one I have ever seen.
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On May 17 2013 08:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also I am off for the weekend. I will do my best to post via phone but my activity is going to suck for now. I will take a look at the thread tommorrow morning before im completely out of good reception to see if I need to post more. However based on how the day looks, lynch Palmar next. Just make sure you vote
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On May 17 2013 08:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As a note, based on thread activity the only two possible people able to be scum are geript and Palmar.
Why do you ask? Because if geript is scum, he would require a townie + gigyas to kill Palmar.
WoS based on being around as well as Gigyas in a time geript was on palmar opted to not vote thus did not end day. As such WoS and gigyas cannot be scum together nor can I and gigyas be scum.
IE WoS and I are confirmed town.
Given the situation of the day I am inclined to say Palmar scum, geript town. In case anyone tries to push the lynch elsewhere, we have two confirmed town, 1 scum and 1 likely town
On May 17 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote: If BC really pulled the shit he mentioned in his post as scum, then frankly he deserves to win by having fucking cohones like no one I have ever seen. Unless this, BC. In which case GG to you.
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For the record, Palmar, I'm still interested if you have anything to say. Especially since BC will be dying tonight and geript supposedly won't be around for a while.
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Palmar, who do you think the final scum is? I'm starting to see things from your POV but I'm not sure of a couple things.
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For the record, I expect an answer from you before the NK otherwise I'm just going to assume you're scum.
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Yeah I don't get how BC is scum. You on the other hand.....
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On May 18 2013 01:30 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 01:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I don't get how BC is scum. You on the other hand..... Look. You can either believe me or him. There's strong impetus for him to make the NKs he's made and almost none for me. It's not like I can out argue him; this isn't a game i play where I have a good reputation (yet). I have yet to actually convince people to follow my wagon in a big game. If he's convinced you then we lose. He hasn't come back yet to try but again I'm not so sure you have. I figured you'd be trying a bit harder than this.
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On May 18 2013 03:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote: For the record, I expect an answer from you before the NK otherwise I'm just going to assume you're scum. Geript I'm not sure I'll have time to make the case before night kill though. Bullet points will do if you can't give me something detailed to work with.
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OK IM HERE FUCK
Man this game. I tried to modkill myself but BH didn't let me, hence the two day break to calm down a little. Was getting so frustrated midgame. Um let's see. Gigs, fucking WP buddy, people not finding you was all you man. Geript, not that you didn't play well (you did what you needed to to survive) but I blame myself for believing the rest of town and their modconfirmed shit without REALLY looking myself. I knew you looked scummy but much like other people I took too much stock in things other people say and don't have enough faith in myself. As Palmar said some of my reads were shit this game but at least some of them were on...I don't understand how I came off the towniest in the thread and seem to so very often...
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Oh also Geript if you see this as well, I got your nutter butter comment, you fuckhead. Don't quit playing dude; one of these days maybe we'll actually work together and do something useful on the same team.
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On May 21 2013 06:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Sorry Palmar/town. I had all of 2 minutes to decide my vote and couldn't even read anything past the night post to decide given the situation I was in. I also didn't want to risk not voting thus turning it into a NL day as I had no clue when Id have net access again.
I should have realized when I wasn't shot and WoS was that palmar was a setup to misslynch given how WoS said he was seeing things kinda from Palmars view. But with 2 minutes to decide a vote I just said fuck it and voted. I realize with slightly more time to work with I could have read the posts that I hadn't seen / spend more time thinking about how the NK worked out. I think I would have changed my vote given those circumstances but potentially could have still fucked up.
As a note, regardless of the whole bit of "geript confirmed town" When Marv posted after being removed from the game with 0 real fall back from the host and the thread either correctly or not mod confirms a player because of it you have to realize it stacks the game in favour of whatever alignment said player was. Geript living so long is "suspect" but given how inactive mafia was / having dts to deal with and other blues, its not unreasonable to expect him to live as long as he did.
A ton of players this game for town played like complete ass. Mainly people like me, Palmar, Kush, and a few others. I think the cop setup in this game(personally) was horrendously fucked giving us one useless blue role, and 3 other roles that fuck with the two useful ones (one still has to prove sanity, and the other can still fuck the town over) thus giving mafia a huge edge imo. However I think the biggest thing that hurt the town this game was that days could span on for ages and a majority had to be garnered. When games become inactive because of dt checks being lynched and no one posts because of it you really have a hard time pushing anyone who wasn't checked as people just move into the "herp derp sheep" mode. Factor in days that could span a huge amount of time and people who play around work schedules and time zones and games very quickly turn dull. I think there was a ton of fun here, but I think general sentiment near the end was "i just want the game to end" regardless of turnout. Good post imo. In the end I think we've all learned a few lessons from this game that we can take and improve upon in the future.
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