TL Mafia LXI

On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while.

On April 21 2013 19:42 Oatsmaster wrote:

oh god palmar rolled scum

On April 21 2013 20:27 Oatsmaster wrote:

Yup.

Damn

On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote:


I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....

And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.

"If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something."

On April 21 2013 22:39 Oatsmaster wrote:

do you?

On April 21 2013 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:

I think Palmar would never make this read as scum.

Discuss

On April 22 2013 01:36 kushm4sta wrote:

self aware millers should always claim. that is a simple fact of the game. there is no downside to it.

On April 22 2013 05:33 getmoript wrote:


Ok. I'll tell you how it is given BH is being an enormous megalomaniac.

geript and I had a QT made for ourselves, which we have been using quite happily. BH decided that we should use the QT that he made, because he's a power-mad weirdo.

I said we're fine with the QT that geript and I made thank you, and BH is now swinging his dick around, saying we're forced to use a QT that he made, despite the rules saying nothing about this, and despite the rules only having this restriction, which we followed:



There were no such rules for out-of-game communication other than that that BlazingHand just edited in to the rules so that he'd be justified being a douchebag.

Anyway, glhf everyone!!

~marv

On April 22 2013 06:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
Palmar, are you ever going to elaborate on the bolded?

On April 22 2013 06:23 Ace wrote:
Palmar what do you think our main plans of action should be right now? Besides what seems like posturing and prodding by some people, I think waiting on Bill Murray to get back is our best option.

Agree/Disagree/Don't Care?

Sylencia -- As far as I know he is a noob, so I'm guessing more likely town then

On April 21 2013 17:11 Sylencia wrote:
I would kill to be something other than a VT, but hey.

On April 21 2013 18:04 Sylencia wrote:


Seems like a bad idea to me.

PS: Anyone who tries to analyse my first post in the future is dumb.

On April 21 2013 18:43 Sylencia wrote:


Er, what makes me come off as nervous lol

On April 22 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar what would you prefer as the "other discussions" you are referring to in your last post?

On April 22 2013 08:44 getmoript wrote:
The first game I played in here was with Sylencia IIRC and he/she was afk for most of it.

On April 21 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:

I dont see the point of giving vivax a townread and asking people to discuss because it doesnt really force scum to make a hard decision thing, its early day 1, so easy to change your mind.
Its not controversial, its NOTHING. And Scum palmar tries to win. This is trying to sidetrack the thread, which is trying to win for scum.

VE wanna tell me/the thread why palmar is town?

On April 22 2013 08:50 Vivax wrote:
Palmar, do you want to question geript's alignment?
Do you want to question Sylencia's alignment?
Cause I don't see why you are pointing this stuff out if that's not your intention.

On April 22 2013 09:14 GiygaS wrote:

It's the main antagonist in Earthbound. He even has a wikipedia article.

On April 23 2013 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:

False.

On April 23 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey guys you wanna know why Palmar thinks I'm scum? Number of pages in my filter. Period. Just ask him, he'll tell you.

On April 23 2013 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:

Fuck that you give me shit all the time about my playstyle and unrepentantly ignore me when I play like that you little shit.

On April 23 2013 09:53 Oatsmaster wrote:

sorry for not writing a 5 page post THAT THIS DUDE IS SCUM.

Can we lynch Ace? I would like to keep his streak of getting mislynched in like almost every game.(scumslip :o)

On April 23 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
I wouldn't lynch him right now, no. Would want to hear from him first.

Don't have many full fledged opinions yet, but the people I was gonna look into next (that being tonight, have work soon) were gonna be giygas, bc and shiaopi (mainly because I don't remember much of them from reading through the thread)

On April 23 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:

Again, worst reasoning ever.
Cause im town. Yeah.

Hopeless. Why am I scum?

On April 24 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax, don't fool yourself. Lynching town is never a good thing.

On April 24 2013 04:42 Vivax wrote:
Thx BC.

Palmar, is yamato still in your "who knows" category? He's next on the list of people who are up for lynch, so it'd be nice if you gave us an opinion with some color.

On April 24 2013 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote:

Palmar, do you consider BC's play so far to be awful?

On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax:
I asked Clarity about ShiaoPi because he promised to look into those three people. ShiaoPi didn't interest me much at that time. I wanted to see what Clarity came up on those people, cos i think Clarity is scum and if he looked at people i thought he was at least looking into people who he thought were scum when he was reading the thread. Turned out no..

Oh and i agree with the points you brought up against ShiaoPi.

Sharrant:
I understand you much better now. We certainly have quite a different way of approaching the game and now i can see your thought process behind your actions. I disagree with some of them being the "best way" to approach the situation but i understand you. I know i am sometimes bad at explaining stuff but i hope you can also look at what i have said from my PoV and at least try to understand why i am saying stuff i am.

---

With that being said, here's my full list of reads. I don't care to make big paragraphs about people i find scummy, just a short summary, and i don't care to explain my townreads atm:

Bill Murray
Kushm4sta
TheRavensName
Vivax
Grush57
getmoript
Sharrant
Hopeless1der
Palmar - This is extremely shady. Palmar is either incredibly lazy or scum, but i put him on "likely town" because he seems to share a good portion of my reads.

Null:
Stutters695 - can't say much
Tube - can't say much
Drazak - can't say much
Ace - honestly could be either way. i have a hard time reading him, brings up good points, i'm just not sure if they are against dumb townies or if those people are actually mafia
BloodyCobbler - brings up some good points but there is so so little he has done. should share his wisdom more if town
Yamato77 - i really dunno what to say. some stuff looks town, some stuff looks incredibly anti-town

Scummy side of null:
Mr. Cheesecake - Should do something other than tell people how town he is
VisceraEyes - goes into same category with Palmar, except that i don't see anything particularly townie he has done
ObviousOne - I have really hard time reading him. I thought he was mafia before, but his reads made me feel better about him
Sylencia - big summary post of what some people have done and that's basically it..

WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said

If you got questions, ask me and i'll answer.

On April 25 2013 05:15 Ace wrote:


a few things like what?

On April 25 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:
Green font it and see if the mods make that info public.

On April 25 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
ZHER INTERESSANT

I'm left wondering how Ace knew the intimate details of the role before I did, when I'm a mason FANBOY. :/

Did I miss something in the OP that's glaringly obvious or something?

On April 25 2013 06:15 TheRavensName wrote:

Palmer didn't claim role block?

On April 25 2013 06:20 Ace wrote:
rayne VE has trouble reading the OP lol

On April 25 2013 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote:

Always. <3

You'll never catch me listening to Gaga though.

On April 25 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar intentionally trying to infuriate me and get me to shit up the thread.

##Vote: Palmar

EZPZ

On April 25 2013 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:

Actually you don't, your vote is on town and you're acting like a dickhole. Please reconsider your tactics. This isn't an order, it's a request.

On April 25 2013 09:28 Ace wrote:
## vote ShiaoPi

Palmar what is the actual case you have for lynching VE?

On April 26 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here's how i see things:
Vivax was shot because he was on the right track and town read for like everyone. This means probably at least one of ShiaoPi / Clarity is mafia. If Vivax was double stacked he was likely even more right in his reads. But i don't think this is the case here. It's clear that whoever jailed Palmar thought he was town. Town jailers do not jail offensively and mafia jailers do not jail defensively on N1. As there is no other flip than Vivax' it's highly likely that Palmar was shot, because i can't see who else scum would have shot over him. I'm not even going to go to the fact that this would also require a doctor to target the same (other than Palmar) target.

So unless someone else claims shot / roleblocked it's very likely that Palmar got shot and is town.

I don't like ShiaoPi lynch because it was brought up by VE who i think is scum. If Vivax was right on both of ShiaoPi/Clarity then it doesn't matter, but if one of them is town it's probably ShiaoPi. As i think Palmar is town, i do not think he is wrong about VE. But if VE is not gonna get lynched today, i'm going to vote for Clarity over ShiaoPi.

Now, you want to bring up an entirely different target in BC. Understandable, as you seem to think he is mafia. But you also bring up reasons why ShiaoPi/Clarity might be town. That is something i do not understand. If you think BC is better lynch than them, fine, push his lynch. But the way to do it is not by discrediting other people's cases unless you actually think they are town, which you don't seem to.

On April 26 2013 04:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why lynch VE Palmar?

On April 26 2013 12:51 ObviousOne wrote:

Yeah probably I just expected him to be around at this time and wanted to check if he was here, also I 100% believe in the rule but if he admits he isn't caught up then I will take that at face value.

BM, would scum Palmar leave town you open as a possible mislynch instead of telling everyone:

Basically that's where I ended up on you as well but it wasn't until some time later after everything settled in. From Palmar's perspective he is encouraging your possible scum reads and has essentially been playing by proxy +1'ing other people's posts. I guess I can see how he arrived there quickly since he was paying attention to you and I wasn't as concerned with getting a read on you at that point.

On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100%

On April 28 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oh and don't bother not vigging and trying to DT check me because I'm self-aware miller. You guys need to decide if you don't trust me and want me gone or not.

On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this.

On April 28 2013 21:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar still scum. He's still done nothing aside from vote for Clarity, and considering Clarity's inactivity taht's not enough to shake my scum read of him. Aside from this act, he's done nothing to help find scum.

On April 28 2013 22:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
First of all, you did just as much to try and derail the Clarity wagon as I did with your fail VE push yesterday, so don't toot your horn too loudly. Secondly, you're wrong about me so again - watch what you say when town KP might be aimed at me Palmar.

On April 29 2013 02:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also note. Palmar has also done a lot of really weird shit this game that irks me the wrong way, however I am giving him one last day before I begin to fully focus on him.

On April 29 2013 03:27 GiygaS wrote:
EBWOP: I do agree with BC that Plamar is a better vig than lynch though.

On April 29 2013 05:56 Sharrant wrote:


How many posts did Palmar make?

Can you please paraphrase as best you can as to his actual respones, with as little as bias as possible.

On April 29 2013 06:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd say there's a good chance Grush got shot by a vig. He was pretty much unreadable. If he wasn't, I doubt we have one since there were plenty of targets to choose from.

Rayn is an understandable choice. He was under minor suspicion but very unlikely to get lynched, as well as unlikely to be protected.

On April 29 2013 07:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have no friends in this game. Everyone is scum and you're all out to get me.

On April 29 2013 07:34 VisceraEyes wrote:

Are they "VE rules"?

On April 29 2013 08:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Will it be as convincing as your push on VE?

On April 29 2013 08:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

No, I would be happy to lynch the cobbler. Your change of target pleases me, but I was wondering what kind of expectations I should have for your push of him.

On April 29 2013 08:25 ObviousOne wrote:
Holy shit please explain I can't even filter him til my relatives leave.

On April 29 2013 08:33 TheRavensName wrote:
I suppose my number one person I would like to look at is Yamato, I dislike that he trolled at the start and got serrious when he was about to die. He tried to distance himself from the first lynched, and stated multiple times that he felt clarity had done nonthing alignment indicative and would be a bad lynch. He even voed Shiao when he thought both Shiao and Clarit were bad lynches, and strangely wanted to vote Shiao over Clarity, then goes on to say he never defended clarity, when constnatly saying nothing he is doing is really alignment indicative is soft defending him.

On April 29 2013 08:37 TheRavensName wrote:


i think Cobbler could be scum and you are a SK. We killed the scum Vigi and they only have 1 kill power yet 2 people died.

On April 29 2013 08:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Palmar, pushing lynches on townies since the beginning of his mafia career. Bring a case Palmar. Til then you are not worth my time.

On April 29 2013 08:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


If you need allies you aren't intending on making a real case. You are intending one of said allies does the work for you, I flip town, and you blame them. Come on Palmar. If you thought I was mafia and you town you would have already begun making said case. Instead you are pestering people to see if you have enough people already willing to vote for me to avoid having to do any work.

The more you keep going on this charade of "finding people" the more confirmed you are as not town.

On April 29 2013 09:36 TheRavensName wrote:

Personally I think that would be a waste of a shot since you have night protection.

On April 29 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


n1 check???

On April 25 2013 04:30 Palmar wrote:
I got roleblocked last night.

On April 29 2013 05:47 TheRavensName wrote:
He also mentioned that "oh oats was always gonna flip town. I didn't really care much for reasons best left unexplained. " Even a scum would at least kind of care right?

On April 29 2013 10:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
How do you know you are sane? You could be paranoid or insane, correct?

Granted I'd love to kill me a BC...

On April 29 2013 10:06 Ace wrote:
is that a real claim palmar. lol @ cc. he got rb'd N1. read plz.

On April 29 2013 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
HAHA oh man. This is awesome. Except which cop are you? I'm going to assume alignment since you wouldn't have a parity check yet since you were blocked N1. Now if you're alignment cop a guilty check doesn't mean shit yet since you could be any sanity.

Man I wish I could believe you though since I have a hard time believing we'd have more than two millers on town just in case he tried to claim. Wat do?

On April 29 2013 10:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar I just have to say your check doesn't mean shit until you get another check... =\

On April 29 2013 10:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar I just have to say your check doesn't mean shit until you get another check... =\

On April 29 2013 10:13 Ace wrote:
its fake. If you knew Oats was innocent you'd be more interested to stop the lynch on him, especially if you believe someone else, like say yamato was scummier. You also appear on Oats' wagon twice - if you knew he was innocent you wouldnt even have voted.

If you get a guilty result on BC with only 1 check, with no way to confirm sanity you're just hoping we're all dumb enough to buy it at face value. Fake claim + your day 1 actions dont match.

## vote Palmar

On April 29 2013 10:15 TheRavensName wrote:

Question, did you crumb?

On April 29 2013 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Palmar honestly, wtf. What is your goal here? Do you honestly expect people to follow along with you when you riled everyone up and promised some epic war with epic words and arguments, and then deliver this?

It's like we just had sex for the first time and I left disappointed because you only lasted 8 seconds.

On April 29 2013 10:17 Ace wrote:


you're a cop, had got masoned, didn't post in the mason QT and didn't even think to investigate the guy you were masoned with? if you didnt trust him enough to post in the QT then where is the sense in checking BC out? explain.

On April 29 2013 10:22 TheRavensName wrote:

I'm not sure how that was a crumb. If he had been lynched after you could have checked him, sure. But still man...

On April 29 2013 10:28 Sharrant wrote:



This seems pretty reasonable. I will be voting Sylencia.

Palmar
Who did you try and check on N1?

On April 29 2013 10:31 Ace wrote:
no, we aren't lynching syl. There is stupidity going on right now.

CC - I dont know why you checked Shiao Night 1. That is a major stretch that you check him, he gets brought up, temp cleared, and then you check sylencia. thats 2 lurkers who have no impact on the game that you checked. not buying it. especially since you just claimed, without counter claiming Palmar. If you believe Palmar is a Cop there is no point in claiming right now as you'd let BC die with your vote. If you dont believe him, you vote him off. Claiming right now to add another suspect in the pool is nonsense. its not even been an hour since your case on sylencia - you could have pushed it ot let it marinate more. Your urgency shows little thinking here.

Lastly, you also can not confirm your check. Shiao hasn't flipped. We've got 2 Cops, both unconfirmed claiming results on the same day within an hour of each other. Both that also appeared on the infamous Oats wagon analysis.


bullshit. one of you is definitely lying and both of you made a bad play here.

On April 29 2013 10:33 Sharrant wrote:



Well, if nothing else that part of your story is believable.

I think that it's funny that your "attempting to play awful" gave me a strong town read on you though.

On April 29 2013 10:34 Ace wrote:
Sharrant dont vote syl yet. Look at those detective checks. Why would he investigate those 2 and claim when he is unconfirmed? he just made a case on sylencia - what is the rush? Palmar's claim should cause him to NOT claim if he is a real detective.

On April 29 2013 10:35 Ace wrote:


you claimed cop, couldn't even substantiate it, voted to lynch BC off and are now going against that check to vote another unconfirmed cop's suspect off. you aren't this bad. stop it.

On April 29 2013 10:46 Ace wrote:
its really a matter of which one of these 2 is more rotten, and its possible both are.

the pool of Palmar, VE, yamato, and now Mr.CC stinks. I dont believe both Palmar and Mr.CC can be so dumb as to not think their claims and current game situation out. Not buying it.

On April 29 2013 10:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I wouldn't have claimed if Palmar didn't go full retard and give us a red check without any prior checks. The situation could have turned out STUPID bad if BC was town and Palmar was actually insane cop, hedging his bets on being sane.

On April 29 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
I personally don't understand the motivation behind many of these plays....like....if you're town and you pull this shit because you're lazy; you're effectively making it harder for us to win. I could ask this question of a lot of people in this game: why play the game if you're just going to fuck around?

I don't understand the town OR scum motivation behind the claims tbh---I feel like I'm more likely to just ignore all of this shit and push personal scumreads today than risk being manipulated or succumb to shit play tactics.

On April 29 2013 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wow guys I....is this a bad time to claim? Gosh e'ery one else is claiming and now I wanna claim too :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

On April 29 2013 10:54 Palmar wrote:
@Ace no one cares whether or not you think it was dumb or smart of us to claim. We did it, now we deal with it.

On April 29 2013 10:57 Ace wrote:
lol both of you are so bad

On April 29 2013 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just....hold on a second. Surely one of you is insane right? SURELY.

On April 29 2013 11:01 Ace wrote:


rape you both.

lol @ Mr.CC claiming grush's death as an excuse for him getting shot. Stop it.

On April 29 2013 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why the fuck WAS grush killed last night? Actually I know. Inconspicuous 3rd party target, unlikely to be a threat to 3rd party or scum so just an easy town numbers reduction for 3rd party. Rayn was for sure the scum target.

Aaaaaanyway, gonna look into Sylencia myself.

On April 29 2013 11:06 Ace wrote:
and now VE and the other scumbucket yamato show up. Something extremely foul is going on here. What kind of stupid plot are you running Palmar? You wont even vote for your target BC. why so willing to sheep so quickly? Is this a mega bus of sylencia so both of you can gain cred lynching BC the potential third party?

both of you buying each other's claims so quickly REEKS of scum play. just filthy.

On April 29 2013 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar disappeared right when shit got real. Why Palmar, why?

On April 29 2013 20:30 ObviousOne wrote:
You gonna check me to verify your sanity Palmar?

On April 30 2013 23:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

It's a plausible explanation, but there were still plenty of people that at least mildly suspected BC. I don't think Palmar would've started a gambit like this and halfass it that much only to abandon it the next day, though it is possible that he did so because two other people claimed cop which he didn't expect.
Hmm. It's also strange that Palmar was on VE's case so much all through D1 and I believe D2 then didn't end up checking him, but rather the cobbler which he only mentioned twice before that day, once in the "list of bloodycobblers" and once in response to getting called out by him.

Palmar, why did you end up checking BC instead of VE when you called him scum all day, and what caused you to change your read on VE?

On May 01 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
OH PALMAR WHO'S YORU SCUMBUDDY? IS IT ARTANIS?

Make it real small so that only I can see it! Everyone will promise not to look right guys?

On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy.

On May 01 2013 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:

My 2c is that a town Palmar might have been interested in confirming his sanity BY lynching you...made evidenced by how little he actually TRIED to get you lynched and how quickly he freeformed into a Sylencia lynch. Logic makes me think that he would have tried to push you as more important to get rid of if scum AS scum.

But yeah that's WIFOM and whatever.

On May 01 2013 10:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Id say countering that is the bit of him claiming he would make an analysis post on me and instead opted not to. Hell he said he tunneled you because it was fun? I can't see a town member doing this -_-

On May 01 2013 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dude stop! It IS WIFOM - I'm just trying to consider townie motivations. But please, feel free to continue discrediting the one person saying you should NOT be lynched first.

On May 01 2013 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote:


I've taken the liberty of removing things that are null in determining your alignment.

On May 01 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote:

You guys TRIED to concede and were told you couldn't weren't you?

Would you promise to concede if we lynch the third party next?

On May 01 2013 10:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

I am town. But its nice to know you still can't read me for shit.

On May 01 2013 10:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


See I don't explain myself a lot but I do shit if required. Hell the last few games I've played I have had usually the best reads day 1 in the games I am in. I just don't explain them. Why? Because explaining the feeling of "Off" based on like 1-2 posts someone makes is not useful.

You can say you are really good at day 1, but I didn't see you catching mafia, I saw you being a dick to a player who called you out.

On May 01 2013 10:28 Stutters695 wrote:
Palmar I'm on my phone so I cba to search your entire filter but why claim when your sanity was unknown when there is a 50% chance your check is wrong and a lynch doesn't even guarantee determining your sanity?

On May 01 2013 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

Say I were to look into it; what would this prove exactly?

On May 01 2013 10:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

I am town. But its nice to know you still can't read me for shit.

On May 02 2013 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar what say you? I won't be here to manipulate/reason with if you're town so now's the time sir.

On May 02 2013 06:40 Ace wrote:


I've got a job but my activity hasn't died. I've been around. And yes OF COURSE I was roleblocked.

Palmar gets lynched because his claim was shoddy to begin with. "I'm lazy" isn't a valid defense lol. He wanted to lynch BC and didn't even take into account he could be paranoid. Get rid of him.

On May 03 2013 01:13 Stutters695 wrote:

I'll type up a more detailed version soon but I'm not nearly as sold on it as I am on hopeless or even Palmar. I'm having doubts about Palmar but until he delivers on his promised big post I'd rather him over bc.

On May 03 2013 06:02 Sharrant wrote:


As do I, but the whole reason we're having this conversation is because Palmar sait that Ace is confirmed as third party, however unlikely mafia shooting Grush is, only mafia know for certain whether Ace is third party or not. Thus it is very important.

And yeah, WoS, I just felt it needed to be reminded to everyone else again. Only the first bit was about you, the rest was to everyone else. Patience and repetition.



Hey, Palmar, what checks did you do, and what results did you receive? You checked BC (RB'ed), BC (guilty), VE (guilty) is there one I'm missing?

On May 02 2013 10:14 TheRavensName wrote:

If that was the case, he would have said so as his reasonings. he would say " I explained why, your going to hit town just accept it unless yo uget lucky Go listen to the podcast again.." He said for reasons not explained, if he had time to do a cop check first, that would be one thing. But I want to know what those unexplained reasons are,




This was not a satisfactory answer.

On May 03 2013 06:06 Sharrant wrote:


So you've had 3 guilty checks so far, yes? One on one confirmed town, one on a cop checked town, and one on BC, yes?

On May 03 2013 06:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
Palmar->BC->Yamato-> (Ace)

On May 03 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:

Totally useful, thanks Palmar.

On May 03 2013 06:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
My point is NOBODY SUGGESTED BM WAS SCUM AT THIS POINT.
We clearly have 3-4 people lined up to lynch; where does BM factor in to those? Acting smug isn't going to help you, it only makes you look like a jerk

Maybe I'll be back later if somebody flips.

On May 03 2013 15:02 ObviousOne wrote:
Clear up this mason thing STAT, either BM has two people confused or ???. Meanwhile voting hopeless because lulz shamelessly sheeping and not so secretly hoping it's true so my BC mind read works out.

Also to anyone voting Ace today: wtf?? Project for later. Issuing you a DMCA takedown request.

Used up my brainpower yesterday, still recharging. O'Doyle Rules.

On May 03 2013 21:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Palmar, those reads you were planning to give if we were going to lynch you? Maybe have them ready before night ends since you probably don't get protected based on your current, ahem, "enthusiasm" in this game? Thx.

On May 03 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think Artanis is mafia, though what happened to the big push on BC?

As for whether to lynch Ace or no, each side makes halfway decent points.
I don't necessarily agree with 'freeing up our JK' since out of like 10-11 townies you have to choose the right one? We're going to lose someone tonight either way so I'm not sure what the strength of that point is. I also disagree with Sharant's 'second vigi' theory which I've already explained but I'm still not voting Ace.

This day is going absolutely nowhere and the longer it takes the more I'm likely to do something fucking stupid and change my vote to someting I don't truly want just for a flip. Ugh.


Also Palmar, regarding the last page or so. I'm not an idiot; you're being deliberately lazy and unhelpful by not assisting us with our current dilemmas. I'm not saying your read isn't useful for when you flip but there is a time and place, and rather than help us decide our lynch for the day, you post a read on BM that no one needs right now. Why not post a read like that at night if you're so afraid you're going to die? Don't you dare try to bully me or others into agreeing with you.

On May 04 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


i figured that was happening regardless