There are no normal-ass normal games.
Therefore I must
/in
//Didn't read the OP.
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There are no normal-ass normal games. Therefore I must /in //Didn't read the OP. | ||
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On April 22 2013 04:52 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 22 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape. That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? Vivax could you answer this? I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet. Because the OP clearly states there can be multiple number of same roles, so discussing if there are one or more self-aware millers in stupid in the first place. Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched. ##Vote: Bill Murray Bill Murray's post wasn't a claim though This is true enough, though one wonders about the motivation for even saying the name. It's not outside the realm of possibility that he wanted to nudge the town causing millers to claim. Doesn't tell me if he is town or scum, either; he could be fishing for mafia to rise to the bait and miller claim as well. Discussion went (without his explicit aid) towards lynching all miller claims and that theoretical concept was shut down. Why don't we just ask him if he's claiming miller and move on until he comes back? His activity in Boardwalk was mostly in the late evening/early morning hours (EST), so we'll see what he has to say about it when he comes back. In the mean time, ShiaoPi why did you want to kill Bill Murray as your first game post? It doesn't exactly jive with your previous post in the pre-game. Explain please. | ||
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On April 21 2013 18:43 Sylencia wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2013 18:18 yamato77 wrote: You seem a little too nervous about my post. Maybe you are a good person to kill. Er, what makes me come off as nervous lol Sylencia this post makes you sound nervous. The structure of the sentence, as normally seen in literature, makes it look like you are hiding something. You seem to have let this drop off rather casually, as did Yamato. IMO the early prod of you on Yamato's part worked because you have demonstrated here that you are possibly hiding something. Your second post says to disregard your first, so all I have to go on from you is that you are nervous. So are you hiding the fact that you are scum? Or are you hiding that you haven't a clue what is going on? Please explain thoroughly your opinion on at least two players so I can learn about you. Your filter is too scummy to ignore. | ||
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On April 22 2013 05:20 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 05:17 ObviousOne wrote: On April 21 2013 18:43 Sylencia wrote: On April 21 2013 18:18 yamato77 wrote: You seem a little too nervous about my post. Maybe you are a good person to kill. Er, what makes me come off as nervous lol Sylencia this post makes you sound nervous. The structure of the sentence, as normally seen in literature, makes it look like you are hiding something. You seem to have let this drop off rather casually, as did Yamato. IMO the early prod of you on Yamato's part worked because you have demonstrated here that you are possibly hiding something. Your second post says to disregard your first, so all I have to go on from you is that you are nervous. So are you hiding the fact that you are scum? Or are you hiding that you haven't a clue what is going on? Please explain thoroughly your opinion on at least two players so I can learn about you. Your filter is too scummy to ignore. Noticed this too, I think Sylencia would be a good lynch today as well. ObviousOne, what do you think about TheRavensName? I obs'd his last game (newbie game) and it was pretty apparent he was scum by the end of D2. I'll have a better handle on his alignment when he answers the pending questions (from you) and takes a stance on something. So far all I see in his filter gives me a weak bad/new town read. He is asking questions, and his questions make sense from someone not as experienced with the way normal games start up on TL mafia. | ||
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Oh. My. God. Tube is in this game. LOL. HI TUBE! (we played in a newbie together, my first game! He hasn't posted anything so skipping for now.) Raynpelikoneet, sorry to pick on you again for like the third straight game in a row together. You want to lynch the "claimed miller" Bill Murray, you have made your stance on lynching millers abundantly clear, but I don't see anything that looks like it's developing into an actual scum read. Why are you leaning so heavily on your policy lynch when there are mafia to be lynched? Also, assume BM isn't here for a moment, who do you lynch? | ||
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ShiaoPi still hasn't responded to my question, but hasn't been around to do so. I do expect an answer when you return. On April 22 2013 05:03 ObviousOne wrote: In the mean time, ShiaoPi why did you want to kill Bill Murray as your first game post? It doesn't exactly jive with your previous post in the pre-game. Explain please. @Sylencia, I would be most pleased if you could follow up with reads as you have them instead of posting them in batches, especially considering I have witnessed your activity levels in at least one past game where you post from work (This Town Ain't Big Enough, for example) so even if your questions are repeats of things that happen on future pages it would help a lot with getting a read on you to bang them out. I don't think you're scum necessarily yet; I just want to see more from you. Help me out? @Rayn, not really feeling a Sharrant lynch anytime in the near foreseeable future. The BM situation should be resolved tonight (hopefully). As far as TRN it's not so much that he is scummy, it's that he's lacking qualities that point to townie. He's deserving of scrutiny and I am keeping my eye on him as a possible candidate for today. Who's your second choice for lynch today and why? Gonna peruse another filter or two. I think I saw that Oats is somewhat a hot topic for discussion, I will weigh in on that when I return. @Ace, holler at me who you want to lynch outside of the BM situation, and why. | ||
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On April 22 2013 10:44 ShiaoPi wrote: @ObviousOne: Which post are you referring to? This one: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2013 14:20 ShiaoPi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2013 13:56 Ace wrote: *looks at player list* *shakes head in a bored way knowing he will lynch Bill Murray with ease Day 1* but but....he is EVIL??!!! On March 25 2013 17:59 ShiaoPi wrote: /obs or if you want a cohost with an East asian timezone, I'd be up for that too Still got shittons of catching up to do, just saw that as I scrolled over the last page Just in general I want to get a feel for what it is that you are apprehensive about when it comes to BM. The first of the two quote, for what it's worth. What I basically wanted to suss out of you was what was the reason for wanting to kill BM? Funzies? Start conversation? Looking forward to that answer and whatever you're bringing to the table when you're caught up. Thanks. | ||
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@Oats You called Palmar scum, I'd love to know why. I don't see Palmar being scum at this point. Show me how Palmar is scum and maybe you will get a couple townie points. | ||
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On April 22 2013 12:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Ugh, all I've got are feel reads. I wouldn't mind lynching me a Hopeless or Giygas (idc how you spell it) today. No reasoning given, just the feels. Hard evidence is difficult to come by unless I'm purposely trying to lynch townies as mafia t.t /complain. I feel like sharrant is town, for the record. Ray is probably town. Yamato I'm disappointed hasn't been shouting at people so I could easily discern his alignment, but unfortunately he has just been threatening to kill people. Icantbelievehesnullbro. Shiaopi i think would be a decent target as well. Could someone just yell at me in all caps so I feel like I'm being pressured? Like seriously it's how I get my best reads -- on those who pressure me. Since you believe Rayn is town, I would like to see you convince Rayn that Sharrant is town. How you can make him feel your feel-read is up to you. Maybe use words. Questions are tasty too. I want to have my Cheesecake and eat you too. | ||
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If they'll be flipped then forget about 'em. Nuke them from orbit and let the Flying Spaghetti Monster sort them out. If their flips won't be revealed, then and only then would I be down for a no-content lurker lynch today. | ||
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On April 23 2013 02:03 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes and right after: "If it wasn't, he needs to explain this:" You didn't give a shit when you voted him Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 22 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape. That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? Vivax could you answer this? I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet. Because the OP clearly states there can be multiple number of same roles, so discussing if there are one or more self-aware millers in stupid in the first place. Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched. ##Vote: Bill Murray Note that your vote post cites a lynch all miller claims as a policy for your vote. raynpelikoneet, Do you disagree? This is a 'yes' or 'no' question specifically referencing whether or not you used a policy to justify your initial vote on Bill Murray. Hopeless I will discuss Rayn with you for a moment, mainly because I have already talked to Rayn a bit and it's your turn. + Show Spoiler [summary crap] + As with what seems like several players here, I was under the impression that his original vote was a policy lynch on self-aware miller claims. I asked about it, and it later was clarified that BM saying 'sheverus shnape' was reason to call him scum. Then we talk about how it wasn't really a miller claim after all, and Rayn stayed on BM's nuts for it past the point of good reason. BM does what BM does. Rayn switch from null BM to town Sharrant puts him in a bad light. What makes me think Rayn is scum is how desperately long he was calling BM scum when the matter was still up in the air, like he had attached to a read and wouldn't let go of it for anything. I also disagree that the specific things in his original case on Sharrant make Sharrant likely to be scum. Why the fuck would miller claims = auto lynch, by the way? I don't vote for claims, especially ones that are unique to town, based solely on the claim. I can claim Testicular Nodule and that doesn't help my case at all, even though it's just as believable. Lynch players for scummy behavior, not bullshit claims on D1. Dear Policy Lynchers, BEAT THE PLAYERS NOT THE SETUP FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOTDOGS WITH MUSTARD. With great adoration and some purring, ObviousOne P.S. ##Vote Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On April 23 2013 04:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ace or BC, is there anyone you guys would like to lynch? The guy Im voting for? You know, the one I called out for having the single most scumtastic post in the thread? You called my post scum then voted for Yamato. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO? I already answered that question on the previous page Sorry, question worded badly. What differs OO from the other people who think the same? Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum. Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading? | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote: On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO? I already answered that question on the previous page Sorry, question worded badly. What differs OO from the other people who think the same? Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum. Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading? What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic. I claimed I hadn't read my role PM (and I hadn't when I posed) and created similar chaos in RED. You would have lynched me for that as well? Also, if you want the level of play of TL mafia to improve maybe have some fucking goodwill and share that experience with people so you don't end up calling entire towns shit when most people seem to be playing to the best of their time/ability. Like seriously, you are further enforcing the forum meta that being an asshole to others will somehow encourage them to do better. Let me drop you a hint, it doesn't work on everyone, even if it works on some. That attitude will drive people away and it'll be you and a handful of other obnoxious people shitting up game threads that nobody wants to join because they would rather have a dentist appointment than the displeasure of dealing with being told they are awful every single game. | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:55 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote: I'll tell you who I want to lynch the most today: ##Vote Oatsmaster His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression. Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats. seriously, lets not do this. No meta cases please. We need 13 votes to secure a lynch by deadline - how about we not bring up lynching people with no context in THIS game whatsoever? You aren't going to convince many people with this, and you're just stalling the yamato wagon. Dont do this bullshit. The day ends when a majority is reached. I see no mention of a deadline though I assume there will be an ultimatum if Day 1 takes too long similar to how one of the days in Noir played out. | ||
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April 24 2013 11:34 GMT
#1353
Biggest thing sticking out to me at the moment is that Mr. Cheesecake was going out of his way to establish that he is town by pushing the concept that a pro-town CC is not town, and then doing annoying things that make him look scummy. On April 23 2013 12:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Either way, I'm tired. The amount of spam in the thread related to yamato / oats being dumb is astounding... just lynch one of them so I can have a little concrete information to work with going into tomorrow. This is a totes scummy post. Maybe if I play a little more anti-town I'll be confirmed town :D Still playing it up. He does however mention he wants to lynch ShiaoPi, the only other scum read I could discern he has had outside of Yamato/Oats and he doesn't push it so much as suggest it. So I invite Mr. CC to do the following: - Comprehensive case on ShiaoPi if that is still one of your scum reads, or on whoever else it is that you think is scum right now. - Stop playing to your meta and start playing the game instead of preemptively defending your scummy behavior by saying it's your town meta. Failure to comply will result in your lynch. Thank you. | ||
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April 24 2013 14:00 GMT
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On April 23 2013 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote: But OO! FEELS! Lynch BM! VE do you still want to lynch BM? | ||
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April 24 2013 14:26 GMT
#1358
On April 23 2013 05:55 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote: I'll tell you who I want to lynch the most today: ##Vote Oatsmaster His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression. Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats. seriously, lets not do this. No meta cases please. We need 13 votes to secure a lynch by deadline - how about we not bring up lynching people with no context in THIS game whatsoever? You aren't going to convince many people with this, and you're just stalling the yamato wagon. Dont do this bullshit. Ace, I have been listening to the most recent podcast and an interesting note came up regarding use of meta. D1 meta should never be used ever, according to someone on the cast, and it is often used as a crutch by scum to secure mislynches. Does this ring true to you, and if so does this change your perspective on Vivax at all? I ask because it seems despite your apprehension to using meta this early in the game, you seem to have come around to supporting Vivax's case: On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote: To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated. So I brought up Vivax's filter and I see he rounded out a legitimate case on Oats that leads to you coming to this conclusion. Two points from Vivax: - Oats says VE has good reads: he did the same exact thing in boardwalk as town with VE scum, I think there might be a Craigslist Missed Connection ad VE should be looking for. Not sure what I'm not seeing that happened before this and we can't ask Oats anymore but perhaps VE can clarify whether or not they have a history together that would explain Oats thinking he's right/town all the time. - Oats found Palmar's post scummy, VE said Palmar would be town for that: Oats is just random as fuck. I don't think there's a more effective way to say it, but even the above point fits into this category. I want to ask you specifically how familiar you are with Oats' playstyle and general thread presence outside of what you've seen in this game. Admittedly I didn't do anything whatsoever to convince town that Oats was a bad lynch, and these are thoughts in retrospect, but they are leading to this final question: Would town VE be suspicious of Palmar for that kind of post, from your experience and from your opinion this game, or does his off-the-cuff town read of Palmar come TOO easily? I'm not getting town vibes from VE, his style here seems to be passive enough that he's confident town will tear itself apart as scum or he's simply too busy with other things that unless he is under direct threat of lynch he will be around just enough to keep above the activity level of some of the scummier lurkers. I think he's mafia, but I've been wrong every single time on my initial read of him that I'm leery of pushing it unless it makes enough sense to at least one other person. | ||
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April 24 2013 15:29 GMT
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25) VisceraEyes - scum - not paranoid enough to be town, mostly antagonistic with players who are more likely to be lynched and more friendly to players who are considered vets or town 17) Mr. Cheesecake - scum - too much friendly playful interplay with VE, not enough information sharing, being extremely "helpful" and "pro-town" by pointing out his meta 20) ShiaoPi - scum - not seeing anything the speaks town to me, seemingly random decision to kill BM, barely contributing or trying to figure things out 11) GiygaS - scum - fuck it, why not, someone said he was so he has to be, and besides he was more concerned people spelled his name correctly than he was about making a contribution to the thread People I'm pissed off about: 4) Stutters695 (Dr. H replacement) - absentee still, ~20 hours after saying hello VIG THAT SHIT TOMORROW NIGHT IF HE FAILS AT BEING TOWN 15) Drazak - ????? absentee (fuck knows?) 14) Tube - ????? absentee (standard) Night ends in like ~4.5 hours or so I guess and I really don't to wait around for just before to post my current scum list so here you go. | ||
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April 24 2013 16:32 GMT
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On April 25 2013 01:29 Sharrant wrote: Is there anyone around who feels like chatting? I don't want to put up any large posts until it's just about daybreak (which I think is in about 2 and a half hours if someone could confirm). I'm sort of around, yes. Was about to fire up some D3 for unmitigable demon slaughter for a few but if you have something you want to talk out bring it up before I go fullscreen! | ||
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April 24 2013 16:41 GMT
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April 24 2013 16:43 GMT
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April 24 2013 16:48 GMT
#1376
On April 25 2013 01:44 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 01:43 ObviousOne wrote: Syl is not a project for D2 IMO. Grush did starsenses so he is town. Has he played in a game as mafia since he started doing the starsenses thing? Oh shit he didn't green it as mentioned in the next post. Fuck. Now I dont know. Yes he has but IDR if he said it without green in that game. I'll see if I can find the reference from LX in my inbox in a conversation with Marv | ||
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April 24 2013 16:52 GMT
#1378
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April 24 2013 16:55 GMT
#1380
On April 25 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 01:48 ObviousOne wrote: On April 25 2013 01:44 Sharrant wrote: On April 25 2013 01:43 ObviousOne wrote: Syl is not a project for D2 IMO. Grush did starsenses so he is town. Has he played in a game as mafia since he started doing the starsenses thing? Oh shit he didn't green it as mentioned in the next post. Fuck. Now I dont know. Yes he has but IDR if he said it without green in that game. I'll see if I can find the reference from LX in my inbox in a conversation with Marv I was half-kidding with that...either way I know better than to bother looking into Grush. If people suspect him let them vig him, otherwise if it comes down to the wire we're fucked with him being one of the last up anyway just like in LX. OO, I like your points on CC and Shiao, (I'm still not sure of VE) but why do you think Giygas is scum? The person who threw suspicion on him was Oats, and despite him being town it was for basically no reason. I will admit his filter has been extremely lacking thus far and I certainly don't have a townread on him. Do you have anything else to back it up? Too many scum reads to vote them all at once. Mostly I want him to fear for his life enough to do something and maybe it'll change my mind. Filter is sparse on opinion iirc. I'm eating and posting from iPod ill look again if you want but I'd rather him fear me and hustle something up. | ||
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April 24 2013 17:07 GMT
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April 24 2013 17:12 GMT
#1390
On April 25 2013 02:10 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 02:07 ObviousOne wrote: Getting on Syl for activity is like getting on Mocsta for spamming. It is what it is. From what I remember in TTABEN mafia he only really gets to post a couple times a day. Yeah it's not a great post. I'd like to see where it's headed. Let's see what he makes of it when he returns instead of starting an activity argument that he will probably feel compelled to defend himself against therefore continuing the cycle of not having time to give reads. I don't want him to defend himself, I just want him to clarify why the people he summaried were chosen, and what the end result was on the people that he did not explicitly state were scummy. I'm led to assume they're town, but I'd just like to be sure that's what he's saying. His activity isn't an issue to me, most people jump on me for my lack of activity, so I view it as null in most cases anyways. Righteous. | ||
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April 24 2013 17:16 GMT
#1394
On April 25 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: My fucking blackberry just bricked so now I'm frantically trying to fix it before heading out to a party. Will be back much later tonight, sorry Sharrant. I think I'm null on Kush? Can't remember I have to go. Holy shit afternoon parties? WHERE AT MAYBE YOU ARE NEAR TORONTO?! I want to /in | ||
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April 24 2013 19:26 GMT
#1428
I present to you the Cloak of Invisibility, use it to snoop around the grounds and let us know when the mischief had been managed. Don't be a muggle. | ||
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April 24 2013 19:45 GMT
#1436
On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity, Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE Townie: Everyone else No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. May have taken a double tap as this sort of reads like a veteran crumb. Not seeing anything that overtly shows mason. Checking out his latest scum reads.... Clarity, Rayn, ShiaoPi, before that it was the quote above. Of the three, only one is shared by many of the people who have posted in the past ~12 hours: ShiaoPi. And a warning to watch for BC which sort of goes along with what Artanis just posted about not killing vets as part of camouflage. | ||
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April 24 2013 19:48 GMT
#1437
If you think one or both are town, tell us why. ##Vote VisceraEyes Accio votes! | ||
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April 24 2013 19:57 GMT
#1440
On April 25 2013 04:52 grush57 wrote: Get gigyasghigasS ##Vote: GiygaS Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: DAAAAAAMNIT I JUST CAUGHT UP. I COULD OF SAVED THIS DISASTER WITH STARSENSES. okok guys i got a scum. Gigyas He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses. You can check back when I post again in the thread, its all relatively the same time. A starsenses not in green is a starsenses you might not mean. | ||
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April 24 2013 20:00 GMT
#1442
On April 25 2013 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 04:48 ObviousOne wrote: So let's kill VE or ShiaoPi today. If you think one or both are town, tell us why. ##Vote VisceraEyes Accio votes! Can you tell me why they're scum first? Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 04:49 TheRavensName wrote: The Vivax shot I don't think was a blue snipe. I found his flip to be a surprise, and from what I can see in his filter (read me trying to search for a bunch of code words that pop in my head, and taking a look through his first dozen posts for any of the usual hidden code tricks.) he doesn't seem to breadcrumb (Or at least none that I can see but then they are probably pretty good breadcrumbs .) That is not to say shooting him doesn't make sense. He seems to be on everyones super confirmed town lists, its a pretty good idea as town to get those out of the way. Finding out he was a blue is just a bonus. Clarity is of course the victim of the Wine of today. There is also the possibility like I said that Vivax' mason partner was scum. That way, scum would know that he's blue. I just can't wrap my head around a N1 Vivax kill. No offense to him, but there's plenty of scarier players in the game that can scumhunt better than him. On April 25 2013 00:29 ObviousOne wrote: People I want to lynch: 25) VisceraEyes - scum - not paranoid enough to be town, mostly antagonistic with players who are more likely to be lynched and more friendly to players who are considered vets or town 17) Mr. Cheesecake - scum - too much friendly playful interplay with VE, not enough information sharing, being extremely "helpful" and "pro-town" by pointing out his meta 20) ShiaoPi - scum - not seeing anything the speaks town to me, seemingly random decision to kill BM, barely contributing or trying to figure things out 11) GiygaS - scum - fuck it, why not, someone said he was so he has to be, and besides he was more concerned people spelled his name correctly than he was about making a contribution to the thread | ||
ObviousOne
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April 24 2013 20:05 GMT
#1447
@VE show me you care enough to prove me wrong. You have appeared to have near zero interest in figuring people out. You are nowhere near as paranoid as I expect you to be as town. I even addressed Ace last night regarding my read of you and that still could get answered, I see he is here in the thread now. Yamato did a good job turning around my scum read on him, I'm confident you have it in you to do the same. @Ace that is the best conclusion IMO, that he was on the right track with something. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 24 2013 20:06 GMT
#1449
On April 25 2013 05:05 Ace wrote: @OO: VE has been coasting but "not paranoid enough to be Town" doesn't mean the guy is Scum. He could easily just not be giving a fuck. I wish for him to give slightly more fucks, that is all. Back in a bit. | ||
ObviousOne
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April 24 2013 20:06 GMT
#1450
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 24 2013 22:12 GMT
#1527
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 24 2013 22:59 GMT
#1533
On April 25 2013 07:45 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 07:12 ObviousOne wrote: K while VE figures out how to schedule some quality time with us I want to hear about ShiaoPi reads. Go. That quality time is never going to happen. Just a helpful from your friendly neighborhood scumkiller. I just don't want today to end immediately. Some people STILL haven't really come out of the woodwork to say their piece. The day is young and we have some clear targets to use in squeezing something useful out of the slackers. I want stances from them on lynches today. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 00:44 GMT
#1552
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 01:06 GMT
#1562
@VE give me an alternative (or two, if you're feeling jolly) to your ShiaoPi read. Gots to have more than one scum read cause there be five alive. Accio scum reads. Night night. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:25 GMT
#1653
Was ShiaoPi's defense entirely that he's busy IRL? ...... Coffee first. Back in a bit to check my clarity read and another go through the last few pages. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:32 GMT
#1657
You town bro? | ||
ObviousOne
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April 25 2013 15:34 GMT
#1659
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ObviousOne
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April 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#1663
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ObviousOne
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April 25 2013 15:42 GMT
#1667
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:48 GMT
#1674
I'll look him over again along with clarity when I do the filters thing. Ace is interesting. He championed the d1 lynch wagons as the only choices (outside of any further cases) and pushed to move things along despite us having no time limit. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:52 GMT
#1678
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:58 GMT
#1681
On April 26 2013 00:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Also: Stutters is probably town. If he replaced scum, I think he'd be eager to make up for lost time and prove his false towniness, making a case on someone. If scum, I think he would just glance at the thread and filter people for scummy things. At least I believe his team would be shouting at him right now and give him some advice on where to look. His first post was on page 60 at which time he claimed to have read 30 pages. This is, of course, an entirely terrible and cavalier read but I think it's true. What if BC isn't around to bully him into posting via the QT? =P | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:08 GMT
#1683
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:09 GMT
#1685
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:10 GMT
#1687
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:15 GMT
#1689
On April 23 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote: I wouldn't lynch him right now, no. Would want to hear from him first. Don't have many full fledged opinions yet, but the people I was gonna look into next (that being tonight, have work soon) were gonna be giygas, bc and shiaopi (mainly because I don't remember much of them from reading through the thread) Sup dudes. Relevant to trending current topics. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:17 GMT
#1690
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:20 GMT
#1692
On April 24 2013 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC? And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount? And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats? And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch? And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday? uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me. This is an extremely early soft bus if both are mafia. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:21 GMT
#1694
On April 26 2013 01:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ObviousOne: Pre-flip association cases are bad. Post-flip association cases are good. Let's flip one | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:22 GMT
#1695
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:33 GMT
#1698
VE: did any scum join my bandwagon on you? TRN: where you at bro? Geript: three short summary cases on who you think is scum in one post WoS: don't post drunk, same request as for geript Ace: 5 town reads I wouldn't expect and why, go Still not decided on VE Cheesecake probs town. I rescind my scum read. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 16:48 GMT
#1702
On April 26 2013 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Re: lynching into Ace/BC/Palmar Ehhhhhhhhhhh....I don't know if there's a case on BC somewhere that I'm missing, but is the fact that he's inactive right now a part of the case? And Ace is looking more town in this game than I've ever seen...but frankly that is a little disconcerting. :/ Ugh. I don't like the idea. I mean I'd lynch Palmar sure...but BC/Ace? Today? Seems silly. Scum will want them dead if they're town. In my opinion the fog should clear a little bit by tomorrow. I think tomorrow is a better time to make a lynch like that. I would like to make today long enough to clear that fog before we lynch anyone. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 17:12 GMT
#1704
On April 26 2013 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote: OO is there a case on BC? From what I can see it's based pretty much solely on his activity, which he explained well in advance would be lacking. Like...why is he being seriously considered for lynch? Especially when there are players like ShiaoPi and Clarity (and VE -.-) running around? Nothing in his filter says he's town to me. Skating by on Vet cred when no Vets are dead. He's been an anti-town presence when he's around. His scumhunting consists of calling yamato and me scum as far as I can see. He's a bully. Not interested in a positive town atmosphere. Some of this is clearly rectifiable and his activity will not clear him necessarily as much as him making sense and being productive. I want him to feel the fire under his ass and to know that vets will never be allowed to be useless when I'm around. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 18:41 GMT
#1714
On April 26 2013 03:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I suggest we follow through with the shiaopi lynch. Also cobbler sounds tasty Yeah yeah yeah in a bit. Hold your horses. Short days favor scum. You scumming it up again? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 18:45 GMT
#1716
On April 26 2013 03:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Implying I wanted to have the day short. I said i wanted to lynch shiao, doesnt mean we cabt drag it on. That's how I read your post Luigi. Sorry. Here's a POW block you can smash. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 19:26 GMT
#1733
Ace seems to have gotten the hang of the thread sentiment and is acting accordingly. Does town Ace conform/blend just the same? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 22:47 GMT
#1813
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 23:22 GMT
#1837
Wazup. Why do you think ShiaoPi is town? Please respond at your earliest. Love, ObviousOne | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 23:28 GMT
#1845
Welcome to the game. Thank you for catching up. Your commentary regarding VE is highly valued. Please would you discuss another scum read or two at your earliest convenience? I think we would all find that super swell and feel more certain of your alignment if you could get those thoughts shared with everyone before the day is out. Warmest brofists, ObviousOne | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 23:36 GMT
#1857
On April 26 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: OO you're much more enjoyable when you're posting friend. I'm leaving for a couple hours to hit the gym in a few minutes. I'm also sort of looking at what's unfolding based on my early push of you today and it's interestingly polarizing. Sorry it had to be you. I can't read you. I thought you were mafia in LX. I knew you were mafia in Nomination and Hydra Mini and Boardwalk for reasons you already know. I really want to get a better handle on your town game mentality, so I will be fishing through your old games to get a slightly better handle on you but I will not be providing a meta case unless it will be for me to decide if I want to push you further. Originally after I said I wanted to vote you, you started to go for sheeping Vivax's final read. I thought wow, that's convenient, he's on to the same case as the most recent confirmed town. Wasn't pleased. I am warming up to you and you have certainly given me enough to work with for my own private meta read / feel of you. Your interactions with my main scum read are slightly suspect because you are both essentially calling each-other town and I want to take that viewpoint into consideration regarding BC when I read his most recent contributions again after going through your old town games. I am glad you didn't actually ragequit about the Rayn thing. Yes it's annoying when he seems to make shit up, but I've realized after three games together with him he sees things a little bit differently and I take his accusations with a grain of salt. His attack on you where he made shit up doesn't necessarily make him scum to me, because he did the same exact thing in Red Team's Prize (our first game together). | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 23:41 GMT
#1863
On April 26 2013 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 08:36 ObviousOne wrote: On April 26 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: OO you're much more enjoyable when you're posting friend. I'm leaving for a couple hours to hit the gym in a few minutes. I'm also sort of looking at what's unfolding based on my early push of you today and it's interestingly polarizing. Sorry it had to be you. I can't read you. I thought you were mafia in LX. I knew you were mafia in Nomination and Hydra Mini and Boardwalk for reasons you already know. I really want to get a better handle on your town game mentality, so I will be fishing through your old games to get a slightly better handle on you but I will not be providing a meta case unless it will be for me to decide if I want to push you further. Originally after I said I wanted to vote you, you started to go for sheeping Vivax's final read. I thought wow, that's convenient, he's on to the same case as the most recent confirmed town. Wasn't pleased. I am warming up to you and you have certainly given me enough to work with for my own private meta read / feel of you. Your interactions with my main scum read are slightly suspect because you are both essentially calling each-other town and I want to take that viewpoint into consideration regarding BC when I read his most recent contributions again after going through your old town games. I am glad you didn't actually ragequit about the Rayn thing. Yes it's annoying when he seems to make shit up, but I've realized after three games together with him he sees things a little bit differently and I take his accusations with a grain of salt. His attack on you where he made shit up doesn't necessarily make him scum to me, because he did the same exact thing in Red Team's Prize (our first game together). The difference is that in that game he eventually saw reason where here he keeps reaching - but frankly it could have just been you getting lynched that opened his eyes in RTP. :/ I look forward to your conclusions. If you could walk me through your suspicion of BC that would be supreme. When you get back-like. Good deal. I will discuss you, BC, take another look at Palmar for posterity (I was just browsing through his filter and he's falling down in my towniness list, also I am not so sure how he was sure BM was the "towniest-looking motherfucker" or whatever so early in the game. Nobody fucking hammer nobody while I'm gone or I'm gonna be right pissed. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 23:47 GMT
#1867
On April 26 2013 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could someone tell me where i'm making shit up? I said VE has not done any real scumhunting. I don't see where his scumhunting is. Yes, he has asked some people some questions, but that doesn't qualify to me as scumhunting. I don't see where he is "trying to find out their motives" as he claims. There are no follow up's to his questions, unless everything ends up in the people he questions being a town-read, which is fishy in itself. I said he lied about Palmar not having a scumread on him when voting for him. If someone says this is not true they are scum or not reading the thread at all. At least Palmar has enough balls to call people scum or town. I don't know if you did but it's how you made me feel with your style. He's saying the same kinds of things I did in RTP so I empathize in that regard. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 00:10 GMT
#1871
On April 26 2013 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 08:47 ObviousOne wrote: On April 26 2013 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could someone tell me where i'm making shit up? I said VE has not done any real scumhunting. I don't see where his scumhunting is. Yes, he has asked some people some questions, but that doesn't qualify to me as scumhunting. I don't see where he is "trying to find out their motives" as he claims. There are no follow up's to his questions, unless everything ends up in the people he questions being a town-read, which is fishy in itself. I said he lied about Palmar not having a scumread on him when voting for him. If someone says this is not true they are scum or not reading the thread at all. At least Palmar has enough balls to call people scum or town. I don't know if you did but it's how you made me feel with your style. He's saying the same kinds of things I did in RTP so I empathize in that regard. I'm used to off-thread comm games, that's why i tend to interact with players who are online when i am and who i think are mafia. I understand this might make me look annoying, as i want to ask one question at time. This however does not mean i'm tunneling someone (i guess you can say at that time i am), i have a clear picture of the game as whole and i have thoughts on all the players (at least i try to). Am I still null leaning scummy to you? If you have questions for me please feel free to ask them. Mostly I feel like we should spend some more time talking to better understand each other as neither of us is great at reading the other, it seems. @VE: Broad strokes of your (town) Noir game show you doing a lot of back and forth with other players, attempting to engage in conversations instead of just plain accusations to suss out information, and less single-minded-purpose than you are this game. (you felt more active there, compared to this game, and this is a large game, and you seem to have IRL stuff to attend to based on your posting times, so I expect there to be differences, I also realize that this is only one town game and I will have to check a couple more including large games to get a better feel, so this is a preliminary comparison I guess for you to tighten your sphincter in anticipation of the rest in case it's more of the same type of deal.) Here you seem to be more single-minded about things, proffering a lot of defense instead of going on the offense (I think I'll compare LX D1 to your D1 here for starters since I KNOW you were in that game and town). | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 00:14 GMT
#1873
On April 26 2013 09:11 getmoript wrote: @OO Why are you not voting Giygas? D2 is young, sir. Consider your case noted and acknowledged. I'll vote when I'm ready for the day to end. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 00:26 GMT
#1878
On April 26 2013 09:19 getmoript wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 09:14 ObviousOne wrote: On April 26 2013 09:11 getmoript wrote: @OO Why are you not voting Giygas? D2 is young, sir. Consider your case noted and acknowledged. I'll vote when I'm ready for the day to end. Aren't we closing in on 48 hours? Why do we need to extend it? I'm not finished playing D2 out. Sorry. Why the rush? /leaving now | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 03:11 GMT
#1946
On April 26 2013 11:45 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 26 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well what do you think then BM calling Tube town for "wanting to get rid of inactives like Drazak" then? BM is ever a mystery to me. I'll have to look into his filter to answer this sufficiently. Being wrong doesn't mean that he's scum...and Palmar wasn't "wrong" about tube, he said "I find inactivity exceptionally scummy in this setup" and proceeded to ignore an inactive. That IS scummy. im not sure tube is town 100% it was a specific question about him... i wouldnt EVER bring up tube... hes mainly null from me... havent seen much out of him Scum claim right here guys. Scum BM doesn't read the thread. Town BM does. GG no re | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 03:18 GMT
#1952
90% of the game of Mafia is half skill. The other half is reading. BOOM! | ||
ObviousOne
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April 26 2013 03:22 GMT
#1955
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ObviousOne
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April 26 2013 03:25 GMT
#1957
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 03:31 GMT
#1963
On April 26 2013 12:29 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 12:25 ObviousOne wrote: BM not reading the thread as mafia is 100% true. I was just mafia with him in boardwalk. We talked on Skype for 4 hours so I can't show you logs. this is a blatant lie. False. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 03:42 GMT
#1972
On April 26 2013 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 12:26 Ace wrote: yes. Maybe you missed the post I made earlier but basically it was Oats (Town) was accused by Vivax (Town) and gets lynched by 13 players. I doubt all 13 are Town because that would be incredible luck and insight on Scum's behalf to all miss that vote. Hence we should look at who is on the wagon. Combine it with Vivax, the only N1 death meaning someone really wanted him dead because of his accusations, and he was right about something. Combine those seperate threads of thought/looking for scum and thats how I got to the points I'm at. Yeah i understand it now. However, whatever yamato is, i doubt all scum were on Oats wagon. That's why i think this tells little about Clarity/ShiaoPi and their chances of being mafia (i mean, their chances of being scum just by analyzing D1 wagons as numbers). One thing that bothers me is people saying ShiaoPi is mafia because he hammered Oats (especially if yamato is town). Oats was L-1 and we were waiting players to consolidate, don't you think scum would be more careful with hammer in that situation? Just checked ShiaoPi's game history back to his newbie games and it doesn't appear he and Oats have ever played together unless Oats smurfed in one of those games. Explains him not knowing Oats' play style / personality. I like him less and less every time I tab back to his filter. Who on earth thinks ShiaoPi is town and why? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 03:43 GMT
#1973
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 03:51 GMT
#1980
On April 26 2013 12:44 Ace wrote: Bill Murray/ObviousOne what do you have to say about the recent discussion going on? OO Bill Murray is an eccentric kind of player. It is very possible he didn't read the thread, or read it and saw something no one else did and chose to comment on it. That is just how he is. Yeah probably I just expected him to be around at this time and wanted to check if he was here, also I 100% believe in the rule but if he admits he isn't caught up then I will take that at face value. BM, would scum Palmar leave town you open as a possible mislynch instead of telling everyone: On April 23 2013 09:21 Palmar wrote: Bill Murray is the towniest fucker in this thread. Basically that's where I ended up on you as well but it wasn't until some time later after everything settled in. From Palmar's perspective he is encouraging your possible scum reads and has essentially been playing by proxy +1'ing other people's posts. I guess I can see how he arrived there quickly since he was paying attention to you and I wasn't as concerned with getting a read on you at that point. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 04:07 GMT
#1981
On April 26 2013 12:31 GiygaS wrote: Ace there was a 30 minute time delay between you telling everyone to settle down and wait, as the day is infinite, to you telling people to "not stall the fucking wagons" in bold. How is this not pushing for the lynch? How is telling people who haven't voted for oats to vote for oats not pushing for a hammer? The wagons were solid cases, even if they were wrong, objectively it was two scummy-looking players. The only point against Ace in any way regarding how things went down D1 is if he somehow knew both wagons were town and you have to start from the assumption that he is mafia (admittedly easier to do earlier in the game than now) to essentially guarantee a town lynch. He didn't say not to bring up fresh cases, he basically said don't bring up terrible fresh cases or they won't be considered. I mentioned he championed the lynches as the only options but realistically after 2 real days it was time to push forward for a D1 and someone had to do it or we might have been putzing for another day. Conversely I think we're being really productive still past the 2-RL day mark at this point but I do feel we should start listing today's candidates soon and Ace's idea of lynching from the scummiest players on the Oats wagon is probably a good place to start. That's kind of where I was going with my red names a short while ago. Another place we probably need to look is the Yamato wagon at some point (especially those who joined very easily or with very clearly bullshit reasons [BTW my reason was I preferred to lynch Yamato over Oats at the time, save you a few seconds of checking, your call whether or not it was bullshit] plus the outlier and non-voters as the other category for D1 lynch. Treat them all as the secondary category so we don't get pigeon-holed into being too granular with the search. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 04:09 GMT
#1982
On April 26 2013 13:07 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 12:31 GiygaS wrote: Ace there was a 30 minute time delay between you telling everyone to settle down and wait, as the day is infinite, to you telling people to "not stall the fucking wagons" in bold. How is this not pushing for the lynch? How is telling people who haven't voted for oats to vote for oats not pushing for a hammer? The wagons were solid cases, even if they were wrong, objectively it was two scummy-looking players. The only point against Ace in any way regarding how things went down D1 is if he somehow knew both wagons were town and you have to start from the assumption that he is mafia (admittedly easier to do earlier in the game than now) to essentially guarantee a town lynch. He didn't say not to bring up fresh cases, he basically said don't bring up terrible fresh cases or they won't be considered. I mentioned he championed the lynches as the only options but realistically after 2 real days it was time to push forward for a D1 and someone had to do it or we might have been putzing for another day. Conversely I think we're being really productive still past the 2-RL day mark at this point but I do feel we should start listing today's candidates soon and Ace's idea of lynching from the scummiest players on the Oats wagon is probably a good place to start. That's kind of where I was going with my red names a short while ago. Another place we probably need to look is the Yamato wagon at some point (especially those who joined very easily or with very clearly bullshit reasons [BTW my reason was I preferred to lynch Yamato over Oats at the time, save you a few seconds of checking, your call whether or not it was bullshit] plus the outlier and non-voters as the other category for D1 lynch. Treat them all as the secondary category so we don't get pigeon-holed into being too granular with the search. EBWOP: That's kind of where I was going with my red names a short while ago. Get a list of names going.** | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 04:19 GMT
#1985
With four mafia left, my thinking is that we take a collective look at the top 2 scummiest players from either category and decide from that list of four which we want to vote today. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 04:19 GMT
#1986
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 04:27 GMT
#1988
On April 26 2013 13:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still don't see why you want to ignore yamato and Clarity? Reading up on Yamato now, I'll get back to you in a bit with both refreshed reads. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 04:47 GMT
#1991
Not sure what the hell he is talking about in his most recent post but that's probably my malfunction. On April 26 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: That BC case is entirely bullshit. I'm fully okay with lynching him now. When I have time, I will respond fully. He's slipping back into his early D1 posting habits as he is now town in many players' minds and thus not seemingly at risk of another lynch yet. Clarity is mentioned as not someone he is interested in lynching (noting this for myself as I move over to Clarity) Clarity's case on Sharrant initially struck me as a WTF moment, like as soon as I first saw Sharrant's name in red I was aghast. On April 24 2013 06:20 Clarity_nl wrote: And to this day I still don't understand what the "points against yamato and oats" were, so how could I comment on them. They were both trolly. Now oats is dead and yamato was 100% confident that he was town by the end. Read this quote above, read it three times. On April 24 2013 08:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 07:58 Bill Murray wrote: Clarity, before you go - NO, I am NOT satisfied You're "Reading two hours before" but you find your way to the last 2 pages randomly? explain that logic I honestly don't remember nor care. I think this honestly describes his entire filter. Ignorance and apathy and he's 100% okay with it. Fuck that. Of the two I would lynch Clarity first. Just for that last quote alone. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 04:58 GMT
#1997
On April 26 2013 13:38 Bill Murray wrote: OO im a hair away from ignoring everything you type I will get caught up on the last 20 pages tonight I don't think you're mafia right now, pinky swear. Please respond to my previous question though because it is pertinent to better understanding Palmar's alignment IMO. On April 26 2013 12:51 ObviousOne wrote: BM, would scum Palmar leave town you open as a possible mislynch instead of telling everyone: Show nested quote + On April 23 2013 09:21 Palmar wrote: Bill Murray is the towniest fucker in this thread. Basically that's where I ended up on you as well but it wasn't until some time later after everything settled in. From Palmar's perspective he is encouraging your possible scum reads and has essentially been playing by proxy +1'ing other people's posts. I guess I can see how he arrived there quickly since he was paying attention to you and I wasn't as concerned with getting a read on you at that point. The bolded is what led to making you uneasy about him. What's your take on Palmar at this point? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 05:08 GMT
#2002
On April 26 2013 13:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: OO, also this; Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am also waiting for yamato's response to BC. In case i'm wrong about VE he would be my, if not second, at least third pick for todays lynch. N1 he called Clarity scum due to his timing of the case on Sharrant without a doubt, now it's suddenly a possibility that he was just a townie who wanted to contribute something of his own. I questioned yamato about this on N1 sepecifically asking if it's possible that Clarity just thought he should say something about his scumreads when he came back. Everyone can see him changing his mind on D2 based on nothing if you read his filter. Please replace some of those pronouns with nouns if you want an answer for this before I sleep, that's a lot of he/his and I'm completely lost and I want to understand it. Let's see if my interpretation is right so you might not even need to write it yourself: Yamato scummy for calling clarity scummy for clarity's post on sharrant then yamato does a 180 into a town read on clarity for the same reason but nothing happened to change yamato's mind in the thread. As if Yamato forgot he gave clarity a scum read and then changed his mind. My only answer is probably the one you're looking to get out of Yamato himself, as there is only really one possible not-scummy answer. I think the question is, will you believe it even if he gives you the right answer? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 05:16 GMT
#2004
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 05:43 GMT
#2010
On April 26 2013 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + After that I think GiygaS is probably the best vigi shot, someone brought up some decent points about him earlier, and I remember reading through the thread on my phone gave me the impression that he just sort of ended up wherever there was more than 3 people that started sharing an opinion. I disagree with the bolded part. Could you look at who did bring up points and why were they good? I'm a bit torn about GiygaS, one half of me says he is scum and the other one says he's just a misguided/bad townie. Day 1: This is what I wrote regarding D1 for GiygaS: GiygaS - scum - fuck it, why not, someone said he was so he has to be, and besides he was more concerned people spelled his name correctly than he was about making a contribution to the thread Day 2: nothing useful Today's action seems to be misrepresenting Ace's D1 actions and Palmar's intent to vote VE on D1. Points in his favor being he isn't choosing easy targets. Says he has a town read on VE that he mentions when listing things that make Palmar scummy, stems from On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: - VE: is a complete null read for me except for kush's idea of a mafia not thinking to post what he did first. Leaning town for that reason. I'm not behind the current votes for VE. This "post what he did first" refers to having to refer to the OP which should be completely null since everyone has to read the OP for their role information. Town read on Kush, his self-appointed lawyer (lol) who further used this idea: On April 22 2013 01:23 kushm4sta wrote: WE knew that's what VE meant because we are town. Scum prob didn't know what he meant. Now you just explained it to them. Misguided town, at best, is my current read on GiygaS. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 05:51 GMT
#2011
I hope this letter finds you in good health. It has been a semi-troubling evening as there are very few players around to continue discussion as sleep takes us to dream world. This thread grows ever-larger, and I wish to inquire on your progress in reading the game. It has been some time since you joined and, while I'm sure you don't want to comment very much on things from many many pages ago, it would be fantastic to know if you will be caught up before the game day ends so we can get some informed reads from you regarding today's lynch. Please return this note with your response at your earliest. Warm and fuzzies, ObviousOne | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 06:04 GMT
#2013
On April 26 2013 14:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: OO; good morning. It's 9 am here and i probably need to sleep. I'm fuck tired. But, the points you brought up against GiygaS are valid. And i also want to hear more from Artanis, though i'm leaning town on him. 2am here laying on the couch reading the blogs section and giving bad advice in tech support on accident. Also ready for bed. Work out wiped me out. Hope I made a bit of sense tonight. I can't wait for Yamato to answer so you can hear my amazing pun. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 21:22 GMT
#2117
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 26 2013 21:36 GMT
#2131
On April 27 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 06:22 ObviousOne wrote: I need to re-read today. I feel like someone tried to dissuade me from the Shiao lynch before and I need to find it. BC when is a good time to hammer to optimize your presence? If they did so, it was at your request OO. Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 09:44 ObviousOne wrote: I feel myself slowly gravitating towards fast lynching Shiao. Please restrain me. I want everyone to chime in before we deliver sweet sweet justice. Please think of the lurkers (apparently if I type that one letter off it autocorrects to porkers, YMMV) And who cares before he flips? Do you already know what he's gonna flip? Because I am manner. You ask like you know he is going to die for sure. Hrm! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 27 2013 04:09 GMT
#2269
Vote Clarity_nl. Vote on the wagon of righteous vengeance. Hey I just got back And this is crazy But Clarity is scum So vote him, maybe? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 27 2013 20:45 GMT
#2299
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 27 2013 21:46 GMT
#2351
Btw the pun was "He had a moment of clarity and changed his mind outside the thread." | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 00:12 GMT
#2403
On April 28 2013 06:46 ObviousOne wrote: Yeah Yamato can die tonight, I would encourage that. He got super active to save his life d1 and it's been mostly downhill since he changed our minds. I made a short post about him couple nights ago that was slightly more detailed in the post where I decided to vote clarity. Btw the pun was "He had a moment of clarity and changed his mind outside the thread." I take it back, for some reason I thought they hadn't really had any interaction at all and I didn't take the time to look between baseboard cuts (home improvement projects ftl). Yamato's been calling him out for scummy business since his entrance. Took a look just now when I finally got to sit down at the computer and I was 100% wrong. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 00:53 GMT
#2406
Hopeless1der - D1 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18408796 He's calling out Sharrant for fake contribution, pretty sure that's like statutory pot and kettle, some offhanded defense of Clarity D2 - questionable defense of Clarity, zero interest in lynching Clarity at any point that I can find, only interested in ShiaoPi Thinking about this from a scum perspective, Clarity is one of the ideal under-the-radar kind of scum partners I could possibly have. Ideally I can see mafia pushing for the other main wagon in an effort to keep Clarity around long enough to get a flip that makes townies look really bad. Hopeless never tries to figure out Clarity's alignment, he just defends Clarity every time Clarity is mentioned in his posts. Stutters - D2 - questionable defense of Clarity, voted ShiaoPi without considering Clarity at all, disengaged from thread, generally useless Lurk more. Replaced a lurking/inactive vet, to continue to lurk/be inactive. Lurked. Never considered a Clarity lynch at all, just voted ShiaoPi and buggered off. Lurked. Not trying to figure anything out. More lurk. Is AFK. Lurk. WoS - Yeah, miller thing is kind of a sour situation that I'm not pleased to be put in. I will go with the wisdom of my town reads on this one and it seems he needs to go. Get all your info in the thread tonight. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 02:16 GMT
#2426
Hopeless I think I want to talk with you for a bit of you're going to be around. I like what you just posted and I'll be wrapping up what I'm doing momentarily to chat. Propose to me two lynches for tomorrow and I'll see how it lines up with my feelings/reads. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 02:37 GMT
#2434
On April 28 2013 11:20 Hopeless1der wrote: I'd rather wait for flips but at the moment I'd want to lynch yamato, vig sylencia/stutters, and potentially lynch a vet who will remain nameless because I legitimately don't one which one I think is "faking it". I guess I don't want to lynch VE, but palmar ace and BC are up in the air. I've come around a bit on VE myself, I don't really feel like lynching him anytime soon. Whether he adjusted his play because I pointed out the things I expected of a town VE (he turned his game around approx. when I was going to look further into his town history, I should probably still take a look for my own notes at some point) or because he just had the time/inclination to do so in face of me pushing for his lynch, I'm far less red on him than I was at the start of D2. Agree with the vig on stutters, at the least. Syl's responses struck me as town and I could do with a full re-read of Syl at the moment so I'll check that out when I finish this reply. Are you thinking of something mentioned before when the topic of DrHelvetica's activity was brought up that I may also be thinking of? It's something for after Stutters' flip so I don't think I want to talk about it right now but do you smell what the Rock is cooking when I say that? Last part, the camouflaged veteran, just based on statistics I think it's likely at least one of the 5 most experienced players is mafia (Doc H/Stutters now, BM, Ace, Palmar, BC being the most prolific players to my knowledge) and of those, the names you mentioned are the best bets when it comes to that subset of players. Possibly scummy concept related semi-related to the last paragraph as well to discuss after a Stutters flip if we get one. Yeah maybe I am taking your actions at too much face value and not looking closely enough at your intent, we seem to be reasonably close in reads. Gonna take a look at Syl to see if I agree with calling for a Vig on him. He felt really townie to me early on despite lack of activity, though I semi-defended him for activity because I didn't want his filter full of just defense. Pre-post edit: I see Yamato has named the veteran in question. Need to restart my network, something is bugging out ... On April 28 2013 11:30 yamato77 wrote: And by dumbass, I mean he keeps telling people I'm mafia without a case. I guess I have to show you guys just how much he is actually not trustworthy to get you to realize. Yamato I want to see you get pissed like you did at VE in Nomination and solve the game. That was BALLER. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 02:59 GMT
#2438
On April 28 2013 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: OO: If VE is town how do you explain mafia letting their vigilante die that easily? Do you remember when Me VE and BM all bussed Artanis, our Mafia Godfather Assassin in Boardwalk? Sometimes killing a power role is what you have to do when you're backed into a corner. That's not what I think happened here since you're talking about Ace and I was thinking Palmar was the scummiest of the 5 so that may be where the thinking malfunction is coming from on my end. (Also it's taking like 10 min no joke to generate the quote page and it's driving me insane, is anyone else having connectivity issues with TL but not other things? might be settled down now but I'm going to post this in case it starts acting up again...) | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 03:09 GMT
#2442
On April 28 2013 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote: On April 28 2013 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: OO: If VE is town how do you explain mafia letting their vigilante die that easily? Do you remember when Me VE and BM all bussed Artanis, our Mafia Godfather Assassin in Boardwalk? Sometimes killing a power role is what you have to do when you're backed into a corner. That's not what I think happened here since you're talking about Ace and I was thinking Palmar was the scummiest of the 5 so that may be where the thinking malfunction is coming from on my end. (Also it's taking like 10 min no joke to generate the quote page and it's driving me insane, is anyone else having connectivity issues with TL but not other things? might be settled down now but I'm going to post this in case it starts acting up again...) That was because all of the fucking D1 candidates were town in PYP!!! It does not answer the question, if VE is town why didn't mafia even try to push a mislynch on D2??? (You ebwop'd you meant mafia on D1, yes, we bussed the best role we had in favor of the VE that wasn't even really around, it was hilarious especially with emperor or w/e killing VE TOO LOL) Simplest possible answers I guess? - They weren't here enough or vocal enough to derail it (Palmar's style has been playing by proxy [essentially +1/sheeping], not taking the lead in pretty much anything AKA let town tear itself down, if he goes to derail and Clarity later flips he looks terribly scummy) - Clarity was objectively scummy and nigh impossible to derail. Go with the flow on Clarity for the credit. (NOTICE PALMAR YELLING DO IT DO IT!) Boom. Palmar best candidate for mafia of the vets. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 03:38 GMT
#2459
On April 28 2013 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote: So continue preaching to the choir by all means. In the meantime, I'm gonna go over here and be, ya know, USEFUL. Forget him, do your thing. I am listening. If you need to bounce some ideas off me I'm game. Should be around for a bit. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 03:41 GMT
#2461
On April 28 2013 12:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 12:38 Ace wrote: On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote: Wos-->alive.notshoot What does that mean? On April 28 2013 06:19 Ace wrote: keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me. cops---> Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green On April 28 2013 07:42 Ace wrote: On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no? Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets. So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!! re-read! no vig yet till that. look @OP! Can you just say what do you mean? I don't understand. Counter-claim useless because # of each role is unknown. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 03:44 GMT
#2463
On April 28 2013 12:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 12:38 Ace wrote: On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote: Wos-->alive.notshoot What does that mean? On April 28 2013 06:19 Ace wrote: keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me. cops---> Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green On April 28 2013 07:42 Ace wrote: On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no? Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets. So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!! re-read! no vig yet till that. look @OP! Can you just say what do you mean? I don't understand. RED TEXT he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 03:56 GMT
#2471
WoS said he tried to breadcrumb miller without claiming OP says role numbers are unknown TRN asked why there was no counter-claim Ace says look at WoS filter so we look (not quoting with timestamps page loads are taking FOR FUCKING EVER): Ok hai guise I'm awake. Bill Murray has gone and done a very interesting thing and I'm not so sure I understand his line of thinking in millerclaiming so early. Waiting on dat Palmar explanation. Millers totes important, bro. Hey Marv/Geript, still looking for an answer to my question you've so conveniently ignored. - SENSITIVITY TO MILLER ROLE BM did not claim, but WoS was willing to take it as a claim because he is aware that there can be more than one. - FIRST LINE OF SECOND QUOTE Why is miller totes important? It's not. It shouldn't be IMO. So this stands out. Reads as soft claim. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 04:45 GMT
#2489
On April 28 2013 13:28 Ace wrote: my laptop keyboard is broken thats why I was typing like that. @rayn: earlier I said self aware millers should claim with known role counts. but seeing people call him to be shot WoS claims. So I was saying go back to the beginning of the game and see if he said anything regarding Millers. He was clearly interested in Bill Murray's situation. If he is Scum he is running a long con, and sticking with it nicely. Being as I view WoS as kind of incapable of making such a play - based on my run in with him in Ego mafia and him not understanding something I deem basic - I doubt he's doing it. If he is he has experienced Scum on his team, and with Clarity and tube flipping I dont know how much we can trust that route. He might still be scum, but I dont think his claim puts him that way. If enough people want him shot - list those players and their reasons. How many of them are people you trust to be Town and have legit reasons? Look at yamato and VE. VE looks bad when clarity flips because of his resistance. re-read that interaction! yamato has been promising cases on BC and VE for over 3 days now and has never delivered. Both are paranoid of me being Scum which is absolutely dumb since I would have just killed my Scum vigi and drop our factional KP by 2. Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 13:07 Sharrant wrote: Ace, what are you feeling on Hopeless? He's been on the wrong side of both lynches so far in the worst way possible. Unlucky town, or mafia? Very scummy looking or just dumb. Like VE seems super paranoid about me being Scum even with all that just went down to secure clarity's lynch. Not even pretending to read the thread. His entire reasoning rests on "some Vets must be scum" which is a ridiculous line of thinking, and a pretty poor place to start off of considering we have voting lists and 2 Scum flips. Now I wont have access to this computer all the time so I'll be back on my laptop playing charades and shit with you guys. This post needs more Dwayne Johnson gifs IMO. Do you agree that Palmar could be mafia based on his play by proxy? Would he step back and let town tear itself apart if he's the only veteran who is mafia? So far he's been sticking with the play-style for the most part (a lazy style IMO). Ignore the spoiler if you hate pre-flip association thoughts + Show Spoiler [speculation/pre-flip association] + IMO I don't see him doing that if ACE BC BM VE DOCH are all town, BUT! it's possible that mafia has some power roles and DOCH/stutters is mafia as well (someone who when he's around is hyper-active early game, or at least that's the idea I get from 1-the podcast where he talked by himself, the beta cast and 2-he burns out quickly when he's scum), like we just learned with today's flip they had a vigilante in Clarity, and role #s are not known, they could have more. This needs a flip to have any credence so I guess i'll shut up about it for now. But the question again so it's clear, does it make sense that Palmar would play by proxy solo if he's the only scum vet in such a potentially strong town? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 04:55 GMT
#2494
On April 28 2013 13:53 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 13:45 ObviousOne wrote: On April 28 2013 13:28 Ace wrote: my laptop keyboard is broken thats why I was typing like that. @rayn: earlier I said self aware millers should claim with known role counts. but seeing people call him to be shot WoS claims. So I was saying go back to the beginning of the game and see if he said anything regarding Millers. He was clearly interested in Bill Murray's situation. If he is Scum he is running a long con, and sticking with it nicely. Being as I view WoS as kind of incapable of making such a play - based on my run in with him in Ego mafia and him not understanding something I deem basic - I doubt he's doing it. If he is he has experienced Scum on his team, and with Clarity and tube flipping I dont know how much we can trust that route. He might still be scum, but I dont think his claim puts him that way. If enough people want him shot - list those players and their reasons. How many of them are people you trust to be Town and have legit reasons? Look at yamato and VE. VE looks bad when clarity flips because of his resistance. re-read that interaction! yamato has been promising cases on BC and VE for over 3 days now and has never delivered. Both are paranoid of me being Scum which is absolutely dumb since I would have just killed my Scum vigi and drop our factional KP by 2. On April 28 2013 13:07 Sharrant wrote: Ace, what are you feeling on Hopeless? He's been on the wrong side of both lynches so far in the worst way possible. Unlucky town, or mafia? Very scummy looking or just dumb. Like VE seems super paranoid about me being Scum even with all that just went down to secure clarity's lynch. Not even pretending to read the thread. His entire reasoning rests on "some Vets must be scum" which is a ridiculous line of thinking, and a pretty poor place to start off of considering we have voting lists and 2 Scum flips. Now I wont have access to this computer all the time so I'll be back on my laptop playing charades and shit with you guys. This post needs more Dwayne Johnson gifs IMO. Do you agree that Palmar could be mafia based on his play by proxy? Would he step back and let town tear itself apart if he's the only veteran who is mafia? So far he's been sticking with the play-style for the most part (a lazy style IMO). Ignore the spoiler if you hate pre-flip association thoughts + Show Spoiler [speculation/pre-flip association] + IMO I don't see him doing that if ACE BC BM VE DOCH are all town, BUT! it's possible that mafia has some power roles and DOCH/stutters is mafia as well (someone who when he's around is hyper-active early game, or at least that's the idea I get from 1-the podcast where he talked by himself, the beta cast and 2-he burns out quickly when he's scum), like we just learned with today's flip they had a vigilante in Clarity, and role #s are not known, they could have more. This needs a flip to have any credence so I guess i'll shut up about it for now. But the question again so it's clear, does it make sense that Palmar would play by proxy solo if he's the only scum vet in such a potentially strong town? I could see him doing that. I dont view his laziness, by itself, as a scum tell for him. But not commenting on anything and just sheeping votes is not a good look. He's evaded scrutiny thus far because his name is Palmar. Likewise so has BC. It could be very possible they are both Town and like the way the game is going, seeing no reason to jump in and so too much just preferring to ride the wave. But I'm a little skeptical on that when it comes to BC because he voted for ShiaoPI even after I illustrated why he could be Town. I'd expect him of all people to absorb that one and get it instantly. BC's return post after the lynch struck me as odd On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no? Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets. It's a soft town claim, but the targets he lists also make a lot of sense in the grand scheme, so I really can't call it either way. Does this specific way of soft-claiming trigger anything with you? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 05:16 GMT
#2502
Getmoript: The post in which geript leaves his options open for lynch candidates On April 25 2013 15:37 getmoript wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 14:16 Ace wrote: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi What you did there.... I see it I keed I keed. I'm going to remove Palmar and Kush as I doubt they're scum at this point. From filtering: VE: Scum but the mostly likely red guy to be town. He's lacking towny bite. Shiao: Scum Nothing other than Vivax case really needs to be mentioned here Sylencia: Scum I've already posted a case which he tried to sidestep, inactive, the passive inexplicable townread Giygas: NULLTown read x2, Prefers Oats but votes Yamato???, uses an odd heuristic, inactive Hopeless: NULL focuses on tickytack stuff, strange flip in view on rayn, inactive, I haven't WoS: NULL I really want to call him scum so badly especially when he says he has to go back t check on his view on kush. He doesn't have the balls he generally has. My problem is I always think he's scum. Yamato: NULL He's the hardest. He's all over the place. He's not obvtown like I've seen from him from PYP and hydraing, but I'm not seeing scummy intention. The oddest thing about him this game is that he keeps on wanting to lynch people that share his scum reads (Oats/CC). CC: Town weird pro/anti-town meta focus, his reads align with the rayn list pretty well, the scummiest thing about him is that he's not actively pushing an agenda. If rayn's list is solid, then CC isn't actively or passively bussing just less active town which is my impression of him from hydra. Shiao is 'safest' lynch. Dropping the hammer at an odd time with no reason, being inactive, not following up, etcetcetc. VE is the lynch that we need to be on right now; I don't think we'll get a good read out of VE otherwise. Hopeless and Giygas are about equal to me; just sheer inactives. Yamato breaking from the shared reads heuristic bothers me, but judging by filter size he's town. The post in which he is ambivalent about which person is flipped (but secretly isn't when his mafia partner is en route to a modkill, what better way to deal with it than to push for the other wagon): On April 27 2013 04:21 getmoript wrote: I don't care which of the top targets is flipped today. I want a flip Vote shiao Casting doubt on one of the few players who has been wholly transparent this entire game: On April 27 2013 08:29 getmoript wrote: Ace, your points are bad and you should feel bad for making them. If clarity is scum, then that's two--TWO--scum who wholly afk'd. In that case, we can disregard the "can't have a lazy scum team" reasoning. Hydra just finished in a blowout (literally only 1 town death) because of lazy scum. Other than The Game, I can't think of an instance of an active, non-lazy scum team. He has spent the entire game preventing himself from being backed into a corner on town reads and I hate it. I HATE IT SO MUCH PLEASE LET'S TALK ABOUT GETMORIPT TONIGHT | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 05:29 GMT
#2519
On April 28 2013 14:26 getmoript wrote: Awe Ace, why don't you want to talk about me? dat delurk | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 05:31 GMT
#2524
On April 28 2013 14:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Except OO that last point....he was right about that and I remember reading that. Going to go have a re-look at the context. Isn't this the post he was calling terrible? If it isn't then point me in the right direction. I hate it when mofos don't quote the things they talk shit about. On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote: No, he didn't. He said he read the thread. Look at the top line. "Well that took a lot of time to read" indicating that he read the thread. He didn't ever say he didn't read the thread, he said he read the thread. What are you even posting that as evidence of him saying? He's got limited time. We may be wrong in saying he didn't read the thread at all, but I agree he hasn't been reading it well enough. He did admit to sheeping Palmar like you asked. This sounds like a difference of what degree did ShiaoPi actually read the thread causing an argument. I think it's now clear he read it a little and sheeped his Town read and hero Palmar. Show nested quote + Vivax very clearly said he wanted to lynch Shiao FIRST today, and you're using Vivax as a rallying cry to get people to lynch CLARITY Ace. That's why I'm having a hard time trusting your motivations here. And why I'm not going to switch based on your voting analysis. huh? I'm not using Vivax to lynch Clarity. How is that even possible when I made it clear Sharrant's case is partly what I'm basing it off of. Vivax's original statement plus the Oats wagon is what originally led to ShiaoPi. You're confusing the two. The Vote Count Analysis isn't solely what's making me change. I'm going to try and make this clear once more: First thread of thought We have a voting wagon of a Town player making a case on another Town player. We know this because they are both dead and confirmed Town. Clear opportunity for Scum to jump on the wagon - this is where ShiaoPi comes in. When Vivax dies, he is hit on two different threads since Vivax, a confirmed Town player calls him out. Note this doesn't make Vivax's accusation correct - just free from Scum bias. Hold this as the first thread of thought in your head. We get to our current point today. I compare the current Shiao wagon with the original wagon on Oats. I notice there is a large overlap of similar names. For Shiao to be scum TWO things have to happen: majority of the overlap between Oats wagon AND Shiao's would have to be Town. That is a rare possibility in my eyes. When taken in context with the Clarity wagon we see unique voters on his wagon. I don't think all 3 of these things can happen coincidentally. Now hold this as the first thread in your head. Even if you think this doesn't absolve ShiaoPi as scum, and it shouldn't, when added together with other threads of thought it does. Second thread of thought ShiaPi not reading, or barely reading vs Clarity doing the same. The difference here is that Clarity got caught by Sharrant solidly for just looking at buzz words, skimming the thread and coming up with anything. He called out a policy lynch scenario that didn't even happen. ShiaoPi shows up and tells us he doesn't have much time, and is sheeping Palmar. Clearly, he isn't reading much but this IS possible from a town p.o.v.. This is the second thread, hold this in your head. Third thread of thought So now we go back to ShiaoPi's wagon and assume he is Scum. That means if he dies and flips Town a whole host of people are in trouble. But we aren't lynching for information so the next best case is to look at Scum ShiaoPi from a voting aspect. He shows up, isn't reading the thread much. He votes for you VE, and NOT Clarity. The only other real suspect on the block. Even if he is Scum and not reading - how could his Scum team let that happen? they would be incredibly dumb and lazy to do so. Why go after you, a guy who has no real wagon on him and not save his own ass? It doesn't add up if he is Scum. The only explanation is him being Town and not reading enough to know whats going on, or he and clarity are Scum. If the latter case is true then the Scum team would be making an effort to push someone else. No one else is being pushed well from what I can see. If there is point it out to me. We also give you credit for calling tube out, and he did the same. This is the third thread. When you take all 3 seperately there are indeed arguments to be made that ShiaoPi is Town. There are also arguments that could show him Scum - mainly Vivax's accusation and his non-reading ways to sheepville. But Vivax isn't proven to be correct and sheeping isn't a scum only trait. Sharran't case looks much stronger now and ShiaoPi's weaker. How is this bad? The only way it's bad is in that it looks REALLY FUCKING GOOD ON ACE RIGHT NOW when we consider the flip. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 05:37 GMT
#2531
On April 28 2013 14:35 getmoript wrote: Nah, Rayn was right about me misreading Giygas post. I still want Giygas to die for being a blender. I still want Shiao dead because Vivax case was good and Vivax died and people have fucking forgotten about that shit. Lesson from scum cast 3: Scum won't always kill someone who is on the right track. They will also kill someone who is capable of leading the town. Vivax was looking really strong and ready to alpha this game. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 06:13 GMT
#2565
On April 28 2013 12:15 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy shit, i just figured out something. Something that is very clever play from mafia if i am right. But whether or not i'm right or wrong we all need to agree that WoS needs to be shot tonight. Does anyone figure out what do i meaning? Yes, now shut up. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 06:18 GMT
#2567
On April 28 2013 15:11 yamato77 wrote: Kripp stopped streaming afk vigi me plz Please don't. Please stop. If someone is pissing you off, ignore them. Step away, cool off, come back. I hope you return before Day post. You think Ace and what are your up to date other two scum reads? I agreed with you on BC and VE earlier in the game so I want to hear you out on your current set. Holler back when you are chilled out. See you later. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 06:21 GMT
#2568
On April 28 2013 15:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't think of any reason clarity wouldn't vote Shiao to save himself unless they both mafia. Holy shit, Clarity's only vote ever was on Sharrant. That is amazing. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 07:30 GMT
#2580
Stutters' only vote ever was ShiaoPi, his filter is like 6 posts long. Seriously this guy has to die tonight. TheRavensName is an interesting place to look, I especially like to think about the implications of what this is supposed to mean: [ONLY VOTE EVER IS YAMATO] On April 25 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote: Hmm, thanks for ruining it guys. I was going to be happy if my super secret ninja doubts about Vivax just trailing us around on a train and Palmer just being king palmer and unable to be scum were true, now I can't be sure of that second one Time to spend much time trying to figure out if he was jailed or just role blocked. ShiaoPi has only ever voted for Oats and VE, one confirmed town and one of my now-town reads. Artanis only ever voted for Marv. Marv isn't in the game. Only scum read I can find in filter is from early Day 1 (GiygaS). Hasn't caught up with the game yet???? People who voted for Shiao but helped make the Clarity lynch happen, these people get +1 townie points, don't spend them all in one place: Kush, Geript, Ace, CC, BC | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 07:59 GMT
#2582
On April 28 2013 16:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + People who voted for Shiao but helped make the Clarity lynch happen, these people get +1 townie points, don't spend them all in one place: Kush, Geript, Ace, CC, BC What does this mean? Why are there no other people who voted for Clarity in this list ? They 1. Were voting for ShiaoPi at some point during the day [alignment unknown] 2. Changed their votes to Clarity [a mafia vigilante, also reducing scum faction KP by 1] I thought I wrote that there at the beginning of the sentence before I listed their names but maybe I'm too tired to know how to write a complete and proper sentence. Townie points was a joke. The final Clarity voter list is: Grush, BM, Kush, Getmoript, OO, GiygaS, Rayn, Ace, CC, Sharrant, Palmar, BC (playerlist order, not vote order) + Show Spoiler [the plural of anecdote] + People who didn't have a vote on anyone at the end of D2: TheRavensName, Artanis, Clarity People who didn't have a vote on anyone at the end of D1: Stutters (IDR when he replaced in exactly), Oats, Tube, Artanis People who are not even playing this game: Stutters, Artanis, Sylencia | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 08:09 GMT
#2584
On April 28 2013 17:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what makes you exclude for example me from the list as i had my vote on ShiaoPi as well at some point of the day? And you seem to think ShiaoPi is mafia aswell, what is the point of that list as it doesn't mean shit which one of ShiaoPi/Clarity those guys you listed voted for if they were both mafia. LOL I missed it in the list because I spelled it differently in my sheet. Sorry I am tired. You are in that pool as well. Congrats on your townie points. It happened because you voted Clarity first, then switched to Shiao at some point, then back, and my vote count didn't use repeats. I think your situation on that is unique. BM SHARRANT YAMATO OATS VE CLARITY SHIAOPI [clarity would appear here if you hadn't voted before] I am le tired. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 08:10 GMT
#2585
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 22:59 GMT
#2708
I want to kill Palmar Palmar, convince me it's better to kill BC than it is to kill you. Walk me through it. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 23:14 GMT
#2713
What if Sylencia is the only "active" scum. That's like the dire straights of RNG right there. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 23:25 GMT
#2720
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 23:33 GMT
#2723
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 23:36 GMT
#2726
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 23:36 GMT
#2727
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 23:44 GMT
#2736
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 23:59 GMT
#2748
On April 29 2013 08:58 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 08:57 Ace wrote: On April 29 2013 08:51 TheRavensName wrote: On April 29 2013 08:50 Palmar wrote: On April 29 2013 08:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Palmar, pushing lynches on townies since the beginning of his mafia career. Bring a case Palmar. Til then you are not worth my time. Oh there will be a case. But first I need allies. So far I have Artanis[xp]. Rohan needs a little proof before it rides to Gondor. oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Lawl what is that? Fucking incredibly hilarious is what that is. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:15 GMT
#2886
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:16 GMT
#2888
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:17 GMT
#2895
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:19 GMT
#2900
Syl has voted for Rayn, Oats, and Shiao If Shiao is investigated as likely town, then I'm willing to go with the concept that he has voted for town only, ever. And that makes me want to lynch him. Big Time. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:20 GMT
#2903
On April 29 2013 11:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote: On April 29 2013 11:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I could wrap my head around the idea of OO scum tbh. Why? Because had a post about mod confirmed town or something wat | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:20 GMT
#2906
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:22 GMT
#2910
This is what I ended up with before I went to bed last night, to lynch from: Artanis Stutters TRN ShiaoPi | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:23 GMT
#2913
On April 29 2013 11:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: TRN boss fakeclaiming town masoner but is actually scum masoner. Considering we have 3 cops, why not 2 masoners! I like where you are going with this | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:25 GMT
#2915
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:26 GMT
#2923
On April 29 2013 11:25 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 11:20 ObviousOne wrote: Why WOULDN'T people investigate lurkers, people who are unlikely to be FRAMED and in the absence of vigis will not be SHOT either? if you believe this then you are claiming Scum. Ve and Mr.CC's checks would be real implicating Sylencia and then you by extension genius lol. I claim scum every game; what the problem is? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:28 GMT
#2925
On April 29 2013 11:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 11:25 ObviousOne wrote: @CC you have a town read on Yamato at this point? Pretty much. Sucks, but I do. OO why did you want to lynch someone you knew was town T.T I knew he was town? At that point? No. I'm looking at my chart here which is why I'm asking. TRN is a good lynch today IMO. He's only ever voted Yamato, basically fucked off all of D2 to the point that he didn't even vote, and his engagement with other players at this point is near nil. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:30 GMT
#2931
On April 29 2013 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 11:28 ObviousOne wrote: On April 29 2013 11:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 29 2013 11:25 ObviousOne wrote: @CC you have a town read on Yamato at this point? Pretty much. Sucks, but I do. OO why did you want to lynch someone you knew was town T.T I knew he was town? At that point? No. I'm looking at my chart here which is why I'm asking. TRN is a good lynch today IMO. He's only ever voted Yamato, basically fucked off all of D2 to the point that he didn't even vote, and his engagement with other players at this point is near nil. Did you not just say you wanted to lynch Syl Yes I want to lynch both? Is that not allowed? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:31 GMT
#2936
On April 29 2013 11:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 11:30 ObviousOne wrote: On April 29 2013 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 29 2013 11:28 ObviousOne wrote: On April 29 2013 11:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 29 2013 11:25 ObviousOne wrote: @CC you have a town read on Yamato at this point? Pretty much. Sucks, but I do. OO why did you want to lynch someone you knew was town T.T I knew he was town? At that point? No. I'm looking at my chart here which is why I'm asking. TRN is a good lynch today IMO. He's only ever voted Yamato, basically fucked off all of D2 to the point that he didn't even vote, and his engagement with other players at this point is near nil. Did you not just say you wanted to lynch Syl Yes I want to lynch both? Is that not allowed? Except that You and Syl are the same alignment. And if you're town... ? I just brought up that I could be death miller. I know I'm town. I want to kill Syl because he is objectively scummy, unless he's also death miller??? Maybe I'm not being explicit enough? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:34 GMT
#2944
On April 29 2013 11:32 Ace wrote: OO you cant be a death miller Well, someone make sense of the checks at some point once it's all out and let me know if I'm mafia or town, thanks! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:39 GMT
#2956
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:50 GMT
#2977
On April 29 2013 11:48 Sharrant wrote: OO, reading your post earlier, are you claiming vanilla? Vanilla yes | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 02:52 GMT
#2983
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 03:00 GMT
#2992
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 03:20 GMT
#3014
On April 29 2013 12:16 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 12:15 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm telling you guys. Entire scumteam afk. Clarity/tube/Shiao/Syl and Stutters. If that's the scum team, I quit This x1000 | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 03:40 GMT
#3039
Lol 2 pages okay this will be fast. Randomly decides he wants to kill BM [wants to kill my current town read, never follows up on this, ever] "Fuck it, hammering oats" for being a silly bitch as I put it last time I looked at his filter [would have also happily hammered yamato] Can't figure out my alignment [doesn't even try, DOESN'T EVEN TRY!!!!!] Disappears for 36 hours over the weekend, comes back with "okay i'll try to catch up now" instead of, you know, ACTUALLY BEING CAUGHT UP. Last fucking tryhard post that says mostly a whole lot of nothing: On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is. I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on. The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity. Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya Have to pull this quote out: I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. Sheeps Palmar's vote onto VE, fucking disappears for ages. These two posts are the only time he talks about Palmar. He has a town read on Palmar at a time when Palmar is doing fuck-all to earn one. If he was thinking about the game and town he should at least be SOMEWHAT SUSPICIOUS OF PALMAR BECAUSE WTF DID PALMAR DO TO EARN THIS TOWN CREDIT? This is infuriating and if I tab back to his filter I'm going to punch something. FORECAST: WINDY WITH A HIGH CHANCE OF MAFIA | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 03:44 GMT
#3043
On April 29 2013 12:40 ObviousOne wrote: Okay let's talk about Shiao then, I'll leave D3 up in the background for a moment let's see what we see. Lol 2 pages okay this will be fast. Randomly decides he wants to kill BM [wants to kill my current town read, never follows up on this, ever] "Fuck it, hammering oats" for being a silly bitch as I put it last time I looked at his filter [would have also happily hammered yamato] Can't figure out my alignment [doesn't even try, DOESN'T EVEN TRY!!!!!] Disappears for 36 hours over the weekend, comes back with "okay i'll try to catch up now" instead of, you know, ACTUALLY BEING CAUGHT UP. Last fucking tryhard post that says mostly a whole lot of nothing: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote: On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is. I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on. The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity. Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya Have to pull this quote out: Show nested quote + I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. Sheeps Palmar's vote onto VE, fucking disappears for ages. These two posts are the only time he talks about Palmar. He has a town read on Palmar at a time when Palmar is doing fuck-all to earn one. If he was thinking about the game and town he should at least be SOMEWHAT SUSPICIOUS OF PALMAR BECAUSE WTF DID PALMAR DO TO EARN THIS TOWN CREDIT? This is infuriating and if I tab back to his filter I'm going to punch something. FORECAST: WINDY WITH A HIGH CHANCE OF MAFIA | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 03:53 GMT
#3052
Lynch ShiaoPi. Lynch ShiaoPi, the wagon of righteous vengeance. Let's see why Syl says it's a bad idea to lynch him, maybe he will find the last scum for us while the REST OF US GO AFK FOR A FEW DAYS LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOALDFSDWTAAYH ##Unvote ##Vote ShiaoPi | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 04:03 GMT
#3054
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 04:06 GMT
#3056
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 05:09 GMT
#3067
BH WHY NO GIEF ME GUN?! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 05:10 GMT
#3070
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 05:43 GMT
#3090
On April 29 2013 14:41 VisceraEyes wrote: And I'll fully admit - I'm malleable on this point. OO looked town early game and that's what I'm basing this on...a lot has happened and OO hasn't really taken hardline stances at any point during the crazy. I said I think Syl is scum and I got told that makes me scum. I would rather not believe any of the claims as beat the players, not the setup. I just posted a damning case on Shiao as well. What more can I do? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:16 GMT
#3126
On April 29 2013 15:14 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 15:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Like OO soft defends Syl all effing game long until he's suddenly the same alignment as him? THEN all of a sudden he knew all along that Syl was scum right? Sounds legit. ##Vote: Sylencia Come on, VE really wtf LMFAO Hey VE I re-read my filter and my town read on me is pretty strong. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:18 GMT
#3127
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:19 GMT
#3129
On April 29 2013 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote: *yawn* Man it's been a hard day's claimin! I'm gonna hit the ol' sack and see what tomorrow brings! You do not start shit about town OO and walk away. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:19 GMT
#3130
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:20 GMT
#3132
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:22 GMT
#3134
On April 29 2013 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: OO what do you want man I've got a check saying you're the same alignment as him, I see you soft-defending him earlier in the game, suddenly he's got a red check and everyone and his mother want to lynch Syl. It's like...whatever dude. Are you worried that Syl will flip scum or something? I didn't vote for you you know I voted for Syl. I'm lynching scummy players, not checks. Checks are icing on the cake. Checks are what guides you towards looking at filters when you're completely lost. Checks are not the BE-ALL-END-ALL of ANYTHING in a semi-closed setup and please stop pretending that they are somehow just that. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:26 GMT
#3136
On April 29 2013 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Really? Cause gosh I remember you saying something about wanting to lynch Palmar and me today. Why aren't you lynching either of us OO? You know, since you're lynching scummy players and NOT checks. Lynching you guys could be fun too. Palmar likes to lynch people for fun, I could get him on board with lynching you EZPZ and like you said, half the town thinks you're scum. I'm NOT because I WANT to believe your claim but you are saying stupid shit like you suddenly changed your read on me. Like maybe you just went the easy route before and said I was town because YOU KNOW IM TOWN and now you're changing your mind to fit the reality of your checks. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:26 GMT
#3137
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:28 GMT
#3139
On April 29 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe. Lynch me and find out. GOOD NIGHT SIR | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:30 GMT
#3141
On April 29 2013 15:28 VisceraEyes wrote: No? Wanna lynch checks instead? I'm with ya. I suggest Syl cause that's the cool thing to do apparently. I want to lynch both of them, independently of the collective checks, and if the flip verifies checks more power to us and I'll let smarter people handle the logic of those. FUCK DA POLICE! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 06:37 GMT
#3145
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 07:01 GMT
#3158
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 08:23 GMT
#3161
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 10:35 GMT
#3166
On April 29 2013 19:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Or shiaopi is miller and we had two lynches for nothing. Still would lynch ShiaoPi without check. As I mentioned before I will not read that filter again. Kill with fire. Scummy. Deserves to die. Cops might want to check into the scary veterans for potential 3p masterminds. They are all varying degrees of town to me by now, Palmar was the most suspect to me, BC close second. Palmar has a red on BC we can corroborate that? Or we going to have cops check each other? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 11:13 GMT
#3167
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 11:30 GMT
#3169
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 11:43 GMT
#3173
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 11:44 GMT
#3174
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 11:45 GMT
#3175
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 11:50 GMT
#3177
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 12:00 GMT
#3179
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 20:14 GMT
#3267
On April 30 2013 05:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I WANT TO MOTHERFUCKING LYNCH SHIAO ALREADY PEOPLE GOD DAMN +1 Who has the time travel powers? Hope there is no prince of darkness. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 20:52 GMT
#3283
CC I could totes be mafia godfather. If ShiaoPi flips mafia then I have been doing exactly what I did in my scum game last time: bus like a mofo. Sadly it matches the optimal town strat of killing all the mafia. So I must lol again and hope my filter speaks town to you! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 21:01 GMT
#3291
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 21:02 GMT
#3293
On April 30 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2013 05:52 ObviousOne wrote: I want to look at Rayn who we are guessing was the 3P kill, right? After I tear up this subflooring. Night ends in about 10 hours iirc. CC I could totes be mafia godfather. If ShiaoPi flips mafia then I have been doing exactly what I did in my scum game last time: bus like a mofo. Sadly it matches the optimal town strat of killing all the mafia. So I must lol again and hope my filter speaks town to you! I don't like this OO. I mentioned this somewhat during the action last night and Palmar and yamato both agreed that it's more likely Grush was the 3p kill: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Why the fuck WAS grush killed last night? Actually I know. Inconspicuous 3rd party target, unlikely to be a threat to 3rd party or scum so just an easy town numbers reduction for 3rd party. Rayn was for sure the scum target. Aaaaaanyway, gonna look into Sylencia myself. Was it grush they decided? Then there will be less info from that =[ | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 21:05 GMT
#3297
iPod is dying anyway I'll be back after this episode of Home Improvement. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 23:14 GMT
#3368
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 29 2013 23:58 GMT
#3397
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:21 GMT
#3400
VE do you feel like BC is backed into a corner with his red check from Palmar that he's not even going to bother trying to convince us of his innocence? If Palmar dies tonight and we don't further check BC somehow we won't find out Palmar's sanity until the post-game, so I think one of you or CC should check him tonight but not both. That or you can use the opportunity to check the claimed miller WoS to see if you can even get red checks and verify your paranoia. Or we can say fuck cop checks and just lynch scummy looking players. IDK, I'm not really big on night actions but I get the feeling if we don't resolve some more things about them they will probably not end up being terribly useful. What do you think about that? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:28 GMT
#3404
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:32 GMT
#3406
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:33 GMT
#3408
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:34 GMT
#3410
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:35 GMT
#3411
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:36 GMT
#3412
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:40 GMT
#3417
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:42 GMT
#3420
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 00:56 GMT
#3432
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 01:14 GMT
#3444
If anyone thinks ShiaoPi is town, now is the time to start convincing us. My stance on ShiaoPi is pretty clear, I feel. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 01:15 GMT
#3446
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 01:52 GMT
#3468
On April 30 2013 10:46 ShiaoPi wrote: surrender, give up or be french *le gasp* also nobody thinks of sane cc and framed syl as possibillity??? Syl framed means I am mafia or miller. Or VE just checked out two vanilla townies because who the fuck frames an AFK player? Or are you saying you framed Syl? What are you saying, buddy? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 02:12 GMT
#3477
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 10:11 GMT
#3545
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 10:16 GMT
#3549
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 10:20 GMT
#3551
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 10:21 GMT
#3552
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 10:36 GMT
#3553
3) Bill Murray - towniest motherfucker in the game in comparison to most of the inactives 4) DoctorHelvetica replaced by Stutters695 - mafia, probably not 3p I would imagine DrH would be excited to play 3p 5) Kushm4sta - who? 6) getmoript - disregard "modconfirm", need to take a third look 7) ObviousOne - VT 9) TheRavensName - mafia/3p/useless, pick one 11) GiygaS - mafia/useless, pick two 12) raynpelikoneet - agreed a lot early on, want to say town 13) Ace - town or 3p, not mafia 15) Drazak replaced by Artanis[Xp] - probably mafia, inactivity isn't a tell but it's always been accurate up through Boardwalk with him and he's made no effort to change that 18) Sharrant - made a lot of sense early on, probably town 19) Yamato77 - i made case ~D2 at some point saying he was probably not town given his itch for survival 20) ShiaoPi - gives no fucks, VT claim but no evidence to back it up, scum 21) Palmar - frustrated with game, town 22) Hopeless1der - fuck it, scum/3p 24) BloodyCobbler - probably town 25) VisceraEyes - town Bold people need to be combed over. Clearly there can't be this many mafia, maybe some of them can seek a pinch of redemption, but I'm not holding my breath. If you're not bolded, unvote for now, I want to see where all of these votes/cases land before we hammer today so I can decide if it's worth even trying to win at this point. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 10:38 GMT
#3554
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 10:51 GMT
#3555
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 10:55 GMT
#3557
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 11:11 GMT
#3558
1. Not reading ShiaoPi again, firmly scum in my mind . 2. Stutters is literally AFK but was all over Shiao's business regarding the Oats hammer. 3. Yamato survival focused until he resigned after the Sylencia lynch. 4. GiygaS either bussing his entire team or town. 5. Artanis pending near-future contributions. 6. Kush isn't caught up with the game last check-in. 7. Hopeless filter makes some sense, not the scummiest of the bunch. If I knew whether or not Shiao was assumed by scum to be a foregone conclusion based solely on D1/2 I could make a lot more sense of this. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 11:22 GMT
#3559
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 11:31 GMT
#3562
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 11:47 GMT
#3563
On April 29 2013 09:36 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 09:27 Palmar wrote: Look at this bloodycobbler actively hunting third parties everywhere! Also BC, did you ever explain why it would be a better idea to vig me than to lynch me? Personally I think that would be a waste of a shot since you have night protection. (this is a 3p accusation) Potentially explains why mafia wouldn't have shot Palmar thus far before the cop claim, if TRN is mafia. Why state this in the thread as mafia? Talking point? Doesn't make sense to point it out if he's mafia IMO. On April 30 2013 13:06 TheRavensName wrote: Wait. Thats not what I meant to post! GAAAAHHH. Well, fuck it. I think palmar should be roleblocked, either tonight if Jailer doubts his cop claim, or tomorrow if he wants to check to go through. Shia its hard to comment on because hes got nothing to really comment on, so I would say scum is a decent bet, sort of like Stutters and Maybe Kush or Yamato. This is his latest He has been suspicious of Palmar basically all game (rightfully so) The other stuff looks on the right track enough compared to my POV on the gamestate. Yeah I think he's probably town masoner right now. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 20:46 GMT
#3693
GiygaS parroting things I recall having been said over the past few days and not a whole lot else from him today? Thats all I can say until I enter the House of Maxwell. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 21:40 GMT
#3732
On May 01 2013 06:36 Ace wrote: I was roleblocked again last night and its def possible I've been shot at a few times. So anyone really pushing to lynch you might be mafia if you're not since they can't seem to shoot you. Also whoever is jailing Ace, keep it up forever. O'Doyle rules. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 21:49 GMT
#3743
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 21:52 GMT
#3746
On May 01 2013 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Who was blocked N2? Just Ace? Hmm. I'm gonna go with Shiao didn't submit and town JK for 1000$ I'll take makes the most sense for $200 | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 22:17 GMT
#3763
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 22:18 GMT
#3765
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 22:20 GMT
#3766
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 30 2013 22:39 GMT
#3770
On May 01 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Is he a better check than say Artanis? I was gonna check Artanis since he keeps promising to do stuff and keeps complaining about having done stuff and I can't see any stuff he's actually done. Watch Artanis have rolled GF two scum games in a row. Fuck. Explains why he would give no fucks in a game without vigilantes and a shit load of cops. Makes sense balance wise too. Three cops, scum team needs traps. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 00:23 GMT
#3847
Have another go at this meta thing I want to laugh when I get home from the gym. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 02:50 GMT
#3971
I haven't looked at dead people's filters in a while. Gonna relax for a few min and try to fire up the old noggin. Check see how their reads line up with what's happening now and what has changed. WoS don't lose your mind just yet. Yamato please stop rising to the bait. Manner. O'Doyle Rules. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 03:44 GMT
#3974
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 03:52 GMT
#3976
On May 01 2013 12:49 GiygaS wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 12:44 ObviousOne wrote: I feel like I asked this before, was Rayn considered possibly the 3P kill? I think grush was the sort of "accepted" 3p kill because he wasn't really appearing to be a huge threat to the mafia, while rayn was making really solid cases and analysis at the time. People thought that grush seemed like a safe 3p kill because he was unlikely to be protected or killed by mafia, so that it would be guaranteed to lower town numbers. Oh, okay. Yeah, then my conspiracy theory shit should probably be held back for now. LOL. Rayn's filter points to WoS possibly being 3P if it was the other way around. Grush was on the right track enough that I could see scum shooting him. /justsayin | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 04:03 GMT
#3978
On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] + Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into". First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS. He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote: On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote: On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said + TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 04:18 GMT
#3981
On April 24 2013 07:44 Vivax wrote: BM. What's your stance on yamato currently? What do we make of tube and Drazak? Drazak = Artanis now Artanis has been on mah radar On May 01 2013 07:39 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Is he a better check than say Artanis? I was gonna check Artanis since he keeps promising to do stuff and keeps complaining about having done stuff and I can't see any stuff he's actually done. Watch Artanis have rolled GF two scum games in a row. Fuck. Explains why he would give no fucks in a game without vigilantes and a shit load of cops. Makes sense balance wise too. Three cops, scum team needs traps. He's looked through a few filters (Kush. GiygaS) has townreads on them. Cool. I guess he wants to kill the Cobbles. Hasn't pushed it, sort of pushing Palmar to do it. Palmar isn't going to do it (lollazy) so that's going to go nowhere. Want to see some direction from Artanis on the soon-like. He wants to hear more from stutters, not just kill him. Artanis more patient with lurkers than me? Unpossible. Gotta be town. /jokes | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 04:20 GMT
#3982
On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity, Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE Townie: Everyone else No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. What if he solved the game for us right here. What if we just lynched everyone in that list top to bottom? I'd take the death, tbh, just to see it work out. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 04:24 GMT
#3984
On May 01 2013 13:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 13:20 ObviousOne wrote: On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity, Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE Townie: Everyone else No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. What if he solved the game for us right here. What if we just lynched everyone in that list top to bottom? I'd take the death, tbh, just to see it work out. OO you're like amazing at this game. Just sayin. You are also stellar at this game, charming and handsome. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 04:26 GMT
#3985
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 04:27 GMT
#3986
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 05:10 GMT
#3988
Like telling them what to do and them doing it won't make them town, but their insights should have us figure them out, so IDK if that's what we want to push them to do at this point, or if anyone has any other ideas? Filters are OK I guess but meh =\ | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 06:55 GMT
#3995
Hopeless I award you THREE OO-points and may God have mercy on his soul. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 07:29 GMT
#4002
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 08:44 GMT
#4007
(Sorry Mr. Cheesecake for what is about to go down) Pre-flip association case - because I might die and I want to say this before night ends Let's pretend your name is BloodyCobbler, and you sign up for a mafia game. Then, when you get your role PM, you get some really, really bad news. You are mafia. Okay, so that's not bad news, the bad news is that you are mafia and it's with Tube, Clarity, ShiaoPi, and Hopeless1der. So you go into the thread like you always do to make your presence known, but you're sour. You're sour on life. You hate your game's host with a passion. Hell hath no fury like a Scorned Cobbler (and it just plain doesn't taste as good anymore). You lost your Bertie Bott's flavored beans you just bought. You want to unleash some of the inner demon, so you start talking shit in the game thread. You prepare to say Avada Kedavra like you mean that shit. So you shit up the thread a little bit, because it's a) a way to release a little pressure and b) shit up the thread and keep town off kilter and c) fuck it, you're the boss of this scum team and you're gonna Cobble it up like nobody has Cobbled before. You're ready to fight for your life, you will bus without a second though, though you may display your "reservations" to your fellow players in the thread. You hate your team, you hate this shitty situation you find yourself in, you're barely going to be around yourself, and so you call everyone bad. You want them on the back foot. But what is this? WHO IS THIS DUDE? OBVIOUSWHAT? Specifically you say he's (me! ME!) too good to be this bad and must be mafia. On April 23 2013 05:35 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 23 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote: On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO? I already answered that question on the previous page Sorry, question worded badly. What differs OO from the other people who think the same? Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum. Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading? What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic. I claimed I hadn't read my role PM (and I hadn't when I posed) and created similar chaos in RED. You would have lynched me for that as well? Also, if you want the level of play of TL mafia to improve maybe have some fucking goodwill and share that experience with people so you don't end up calling entire towns shit when most people seem to be playing to the best of their time/ability. Like seriously, you are further enforcing the forum meta that being an asshole to others will somehow encourage them to do better. Let me drop you a hint, it doesn't work on everyone, even if it works on some. That attitude will drive people away and it'll be you and a handful of other obnoxious people shitting up game threads that nobody wants to join because they would rather have a dentist appointment than the displeasure of dealing with being told they are awful every single game. The manner police are out in full force. So you reign it in. You will emulate. On May 01 2013 10:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 10:18 Palmar wrote: On May 01 2013 10:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 10:15 Palmar wrote: also bc isn't town. Ace probably is, and VE might be. I am town. But its nice to know you still can't read me for shit. you never do jack shit on the one day of mafia that I think matters and the one day I'm actually very good at, day 1. So I don't care if I can't read you, not my problem See I don't explain myself a lot but I do shit if required. Hell the last few games I've played I have had usually the best reads day 1 in the games I am in. I just don't explain them. Why? Because explaining the feeling of "Off" based on like 1-2 posts someone makes is not useful. You can say you are really good at day 1, but I didn't see you catching mafia, I saw you being a dick to a player who called you out. You are ready to blend. But not like the TV show because that's just wrong (unless you're some kind of peach cobbler in which case fucking fire that blender up and let's make dessert). The slip: On May 01 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote: On May 01 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip. So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace. As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation. Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter. What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before. Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan. Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him. So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum. A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post. BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl. I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard" I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_- The fall: On April 24 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 04:29 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2013 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC? And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount? And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats? And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch? And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday? uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me. Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats? I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening. I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons. Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations. I took a step back and thought about it. How did I do? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 09:30 GMT
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 10:46 GMT
#4012
Shiao flip | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 01 2013 22:26 GMT
#4103
Cop claim? Probably true Broken cop? Definitely Lazy? Tautology (see also n. Palmar) Wants to kill BC? Isolate his reasons outside of his check. I wanted to kill BC d1 too for being sort of a jerk. From what I remember, because it would be fun? It totally would. Today Palmar is my ally in lynching BC. I have demonstrated a scum mindset on BC's behalf that no one has proven to be demonstrably false. We are running out of objectively scummy shit to lynch for. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 02 2013 00:37 GMT
#4116
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 06:02 GMT
#4432
Also to anyone voting Ace today: wtf?? Project for later. Issuing you a DMCA takedown request. Used up my brainpower yesterday, still recharging. O'Doyle Rules. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 12:27 GMT
#4435
On May 03 2013 21:24 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2013 15:02 ObviousOne wrote: Clear up this mason thing STAT, either BM has two people confused or ???. Meanwhile voting hopeless because lulz shamelessly sheeping and not so secretly hoping it's true so my BC mind read works out. Also to anyone voting Ace today: wtf?? Project for later. Issuing you a DMCA takedown request. Used up my brainpower yesterday, still recharging. O'Doyle Rules. OO you're confirmed town so please pull your head out of your ass. Explain in detail why you think leaving Ace for later is a good idea, knowing that you're essentially forcing our JK to roleblock him instead of attempting to save townies? I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your game host because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the mafia and the third party and the Russians and the lazy bums in the thread. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a TOWN PERSON, God damn it! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to your browser. Open it, and bring up the game, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 12:38 GMT
#4437
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 12:39 GMT
#4439
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 12:43 GMT
#4440
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 12:59 GMT
#4444
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 13:28 GMT
#4449
When I commented that we were running out of objectively scummy shit to talk about, that wasn't supposed to be like some kind of conscious or subconscious cue to start doing objectively scummy things. /justsayin | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 13:34 GMT
#4451
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 13:43 GMT
#4454
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 22:34 GMT
#4577
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 23:43 GMT
#4590
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 03 2013 23:47 GMT
#4594
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 05 2013 00:43 GMT
#4712
GG GL! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 12 2013 17:30 GMT
#5625
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 15 2013 21:22 GMT
#5738
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 17 2013 22:03 GMT
#5895
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 18 2013 04:22 GMT
#5981
On May 18 2013 13:08 TheRavensName wrote: Why did people think giggles was so townie anyways? I never got a real good explination on that when I was trying to finger him. Did a good job acting like he was trying to stay active enough and comments were just townie enough to get by at least in tone. Also BC my vote analysis would have led me to lynch you if I went by that alone Geript's voting was "too good" and stuck out from the townies | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 18 2013 07:54 GMT
#5985
I am the king of page snipes | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 23:57 GMT
#5987
On May 20 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2013 09:11 Palmar wrote: yep, giggles played okay. Biggest compliment should go to WoS btw, sure his reads were off, but he saved town a mislynch with his super-townie play. Rayn, Vivax and Cheesecake also played very well. Artanis was good after he came in too. Sharrant played way better than me. I completely missed Shiopi as scum after Clarity flip. marvs stunt after "death" was bullshit and he deserves a 100 game ban for that. that's ruind the game for not his team but for other people. Eh I disagree. He took a one game ban gracefully and hosts are probably more likely to mod kill slots over individual hydra heads in the future. I was mad at first but, eh, treat it as a learning experience. Plus it's a reality check to players: mod confirmed literally means the mod displayed the alignment on flip and even then you have to worry about janitors and flip delays in certain setups. BH did not say getmoript was town. That said it was trickery to post after he was removed from the game. Not too worried about it in retrospect it has been resolved. | ||
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