TL Mafia LXI

On April 11 2013 01:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
/in

On April 20 2013 08:38 ObviousOne wrote:
My wand is so erect right now.

On April 21 2013 12:58 getmoript wrote:
::starts cheer:: WE LOVE BH YES WE DO WE LOVE BH HOW BOUT YOU?

On April 21 2013 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:

I think Palmar would never make this read as scum.

Discuss

On April 22 2013 00:11 TheRavensName wrote:



Which one?

On April 22 2013 00:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Cheese, why am i town? feel read or is there some reason you can verbalize?

On April 22 2013 00:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
I value being able to read things. Use the preview tabs plox.

On April 22 2013 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cheese is there any reason you editted out your agreement with that heuristic of Promethelax's when you quoted my post?

On April 22 2013 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean obviously it's not there so either you're lying or something weird is going on. But whatever, it IS in your sig so it's not like you can just backtrack and say "Well that's not what I meant" later.

WATCHING YOU SIR!

On April 22 2013 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I promise that's not a crumb. But if it were I'd be pretty fucking salty for you pointing it out like that Cheese. Are you retarded?

On April 22 2013 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:

Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it.

On April 22 2013 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:

I do not. If I did, I would probably understand what you're going on about.

On April 22 2013 01:21 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake wow....... i cant believe you just did that

On April 22 2013 01:23 kushm4sta wrote:
WE knew that's what VE meant because we are town. Scum prob didn't know what he meant. Now you just explained it to them.

On April 22 2013 01:27 kushm4sta wrote:

Yes but it would be very difficult for scum to realize that TOWN had to look at the OP as well.
Scum would not say "oh shit I had to look at the OP" because they would have no idea if town ALSO had to look at the OP.

On April 22 2013 01:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about we stop trying to use the role PM to discern alignments KTHX

On April 22 2013 01:32 kushm4sta wrote:

I already did though!
VE town
CC town
Hopeless scum

On April 22 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:

Same thing really. This was bound to happen, but kush gets a townread from me for it.

On April 22 2013 01:38 getmoript wrote:

I think there's a reasonable value oddly enought to the Vivax conjecture. Anyone who posted early is more likely, as a general rule, to be town as scum are more likely consult a QT for direction and coordinate first. The problem with the heuristic is quite simply that it doesn't work for everyone equally; as a general rule, I think it's likely to be true, but without applying it to the specific people that posted early makes it more of a generally worthless statement.
Sylencia -- As far as I know he is a noob, so I'm guessing more likely town then
yamato--I am unaware of his scum tendencies, but don't think that posting early is indicative either way
oats--AFAIK he's a vet, in the least he's towards the spammy aggressive side which makes posting early non-alignment indicative
WoS--he always rolls scum so there's that I guess
geript--Clearly an egotistical maniac and posted in The Game early as scum, so again non-alignment indicative
Shaio--No clue as to experience, wanting to kill BM is more likely town
Vivax--I'm not familiar enough with his meta, but the odd statement alone makes me think he's more likely town as I don't think he's crazy enough to spout that as scum

So far, the list of people that I'm not interested in lynching today:
Sylencia
Vivax
Shaio
Palmar

On April 22 2013 01:48 getmoript wrote:

How would you even know this? Are you scum? Did you receive a QT in your PM? Did you receive the QT in the same pm or a different pm? You are treading on highly suspicious ground for me because as a hydra I received my hydra QT in the same PM. You aren't a hydra clearly. How would you know that?

On April 22 2013 01:55 getmoript wrote:
I don't see why the host couldn't put the role and the QT in different PMs;; however, I guess rereading the OP does make me feel a more stupid. As for who to lynch, I actually don't like lurker lynches much as they're a crapshoot. I'd like to lynch yamato.

On April 22 2013 01:57 Palmar wrote:
Geript rerrible or scum?

On April 22 2013 02:02 getmoript wrote:

No, I said that the fact that he posted early is non-alignment indicative as I expect most vets to be confident as scum. The reason why I would be interested in yamato is the exact same reason I was interested in lynching VE last game: what he's done with his activity. Four posts none of which are productive or spurning conversation. All four come across as hostile without determined aggression to pressure a player to learn their alignment. Just random smuck.

On April 21 2013 17:27 getmoript wrote:

##vote yamato77
You're being rather hostile without actually being hostile. Why not just tunnel him so you can get a good read?

On April 22 2013 02:20 getmoript wrote:

Vivax's heuristic is that the people who posted early are more likely town. So I went through the people that posted at that point and decided which of those was more likely to be town based on that heuristic. I was attempting to make my thought process clear there as to who I thought was more likely to be town from posting early. I think as a general rule the heuristic works based on people who post early aren't posting elsewhere and are invested in posting early which makes it more likely that they're town. The problem as I said before is that it doesn't work in every case. I don't think in specific the heuristic works on vets as well as it does on newer players. I really don't understand the crux of what you're trying to get.

On April 22 2013 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote:

SHUTTING DOWN CONVERSATION! SCUMMY



CC YOURE SO PROTOWN THIS GAME YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY MAFIA POST A READ NOW OR I LYNCH YOU NPNP


Sorry I'm procrastinating studying and bored.

On April 22 2013 13:06 yamato77 wrote:

The last time you made a post like this, you were mafia.

Mafia CC, folks. Mafia.

On April 22 2013 13:09 yamato77 wrote:

Even if I was mafia, I would not be afraid of you.

On April 23 2013 04:27 yamato77 wrote:
For the record, I would also lynch Oats for being a snarky ass on the sidelines and not actually being involved like I know town Oats to be.

Ace is lynchable because his reasoning for throwing suspicion on me is ass and he's been posting bullshit the entire game.

BC is nullish, despite my earlier proclamation. He could have made that post as either alignment. More information is necessary to lynch him.

CC is too quiet to be town CC. His "tunnel me" charade is a copycat from Nomination where he replaced in day 1. His shitty null reads are also indicative of him being mafia; town CC calls people mafia and gives no fucks about being wrong.

And VE is mafia because his reasoning for being suspicious of me is ass, just like Ace. Only VE is even worse because he should know better. Unfortunately, however, a VE that blindly follows thread sentiment is a scum VE. Lynch him.

On April 23 2013 04:50 Ace wrote:
jesus yamato is bad at this game

On April 23 2013 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote:


Why not? Maybe instead of asking a question that has no answer you could comment on the case I made?

On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax:
I asked Clarity about ShiaoPi because he promised to look into those three people. ShiaoPi didn't interest me much at that time. I wanted to see what Clarity came up on those people, cos i think Clarity is scum and if he looked at people i thought he was at least looking into people who he thought were scum when he was reading the thread. Turned out no..

Oh and i agree with the points you brought up against ShiaoPi.

Sharrant:
I understand you much better now. We certainly have quite a different way of approaching the game and now i can see your thought process behind your actions. I disagree with some of them being the "best way" to approach the situation but i understand you. I know i am sometimes bad at explaining stuff but i hope you can also look at what i have said from my PoV and at least try to understand why i am saying stuff i am.

---

With that being said, here's my full list of reads. I don't care to make big paragraphs about people i find scummy, just a short summary, and i don't care to explain my townreads atm:

Bill Murray
Kushm4sta
TheRavensName
Vivax
Grush57
getmoript
Sharrant
Hopeless1der
Palmar - This is extremely shady. Palmar is either incredibly lazy or scum, but i put him on "likely town" because he seems to share a good portion of my reads.

Null:
Stutters695 - can't say much
Tube - can't say much
Drazak - can't say much
Ace - honestly could be either way. i have a hard time reading him, brings up good points, i'm just not sure if they are against dumb townies or if those people are actually mafia
BloodyCobbler - brings up some good points but there is so so little he has done. should share his wisdom more if town
Yamato77 - i really dunno what to say. some stuff looks town, some stuff looks incredibly anti-town

Scummy side of null:
Mr. Cheesecake - Should do something other than tell people how town he is
VisceraEyes - goes into same category with Palmar, except that i don't see anything particularly townie he has done
ObviousOne - I have really hard time reading him. I thought he was mafia before, but his reads made me feel better about him
Sylencia - big summary post of what some people have done and that's basically it..

WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said

If you got questions, ask me and i'll answer.

On April 25 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar if you at any point flip town in this game and VE is alive i make sure he hangs.

On April 25 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, if Palmar is town he possibly can't be that wrong, can he?

On April 25 2013 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote:

I already told you not to bus me you shit.

On April 26 2013 00:12 yamato77 wrote:
The reason I think Palmar might be mafia is delving a bit into WIFOM, but it's an interesting thought.

The explanation of night actions that we know of is complicated, given that we have 1 role block unaccounted for and 1 KP unaccounted for. I will discuss here the relevant possibilities of all of the combination of events that could have led to the situation we are at now and discuss the likelihood of each event.

1) Palmar is role blocked by town JK and shot, and Vivax is shot, while scum JK either goes unused or was used on a scum player who did not claim it. I feel like this is not very likely. Scum would want to jail offensively, because they have no chance of blocking town KP on themselves or on another town. If true, however, Palmar is confirmed town.

2) Vivax was double-stacked and jailed, and Palmar was jailed by town. Palmar's alignment is unknown, but scum deny town a ton of information, as we see. RB+KP combo is a common mafia tactic for this reason. The variation that semi-confirms Palmar would be if town JK protected Vivax and scum offensively jailed Palmar, and Vivax was still double stacked. That feels more unlikely than the former.

3) Scum double stacked Vivax, role blocked Palmar, and town JK'd offensively and hit mafia, but they didn't claim. I feel this is unlikely, because a role block claim on N1 is a soft town claim, and town JK should be defensive N1 because you can't stop KP.

4) Scum KP was on Vivax and an Vet or SK/SP, who didn't claim being hit, scum JK went unused/used on mafia or was double stacked on Palmar with town JK. Town vet has no reason not to claim, as scum already know from claims that they are vet and can die tonight. Claiming might actually help keep confirmed town alive. Third party are fucked for this rationale, but would have claimed vet with the shot, I believe. This seems unlikely, based on claims so far.

So unless there are claims of shots taken or role blocks notified that have yet to be made, it is either 1 or 2, with 2 being more likely in my opinion. Combined with Palmar's somewhat disinterested play, and his insistence that VE is mafia throughout the game while consenting to some of town's wagons, this makes me believe he might be mafia.

Perhaps this is the truth even if VE is mafia, as Palmar's "push" of him feels weak, and the VE lynch has been successfully resisted twice now. Regardless of VE's alignment, then, Palmar should be looked upon with some degree of suspicion. I'd consider lynching him today.

On April 26 2013 00:20 yamato77 wrote:
So I guess the simplest explanation for last night's actions is actually that there's only one JK, he's town, saved Palmar from 1 KP, and scum shot Vivax.

Or Vivax was doublestacked, which feels unlikely.

On April 26 2013 00:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


I guess so eh. I feel like BC is scummy. I have no idea why people think BM is town, however.

On April 26 2013 00:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Sounds good help me out and we can just lynch you at LYLO.

On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote:
The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.

Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.

Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.

At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly.

On April 26 2013 00:48 ObviousOne wrote:
For the record, on N1 my read of BC was "makes me rage, could be town"

I'll look him over again along with clarity when I do the filters thing.

Ace is interesting. He championed the d1 lynch wagons as the only choices (outside of any further cases) and pushed to move things along despite us having no time limit.

On April 26 2013 00:48 yamato77 wrote:

I have very similar sentiments about Ace, but just the fact that he seems RELATIVELY town when compared to most of the game makes me feel like he's not a good lynch for a while.

BC, though, I've seen be a negative force in many towns, acting superior and being a dick. What I haven't seen is him being lazy enough with his scum reads that he fails to properly justify them. A good bit of his filter is also devoted to policy lynch discussion about the miller claim thing, which is disturbing. I feel like a look st his filter from Personality 2 might give me some insight into his alignment, as he was town shot N1 in that game. I don't particularly remember much of it, as the game was such a blur of spam.

On April 26 2013 00:58 ObviousOne wrote:

What if BC isn't around to bully him into posting via the QT? =P

On April 26 2013 02:55 GiygaS wrote:

Basically, I would say Ace is scum based purely off his day 1 play in my eyes, but his day 2 sort of redeemed him in my eyes. However, it seems to me that Ace could just be looking pro town purposefully because accusations started going on him. That's my logic.

On April 26 2013 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Apparently i can't sleep. :E

Ace: I think you are being kinda wishy-washy regarding me. I don't like you saying i'm "temporarily cleared because of activity". If you think i'm town say so, if you think i'm scum, say so, if think i'm null, say so, but don't "clear" me for now because of activity. as you have said, activity has nothing to do with someone being scum/town.

I don't like ShiaoPi lynch as much as Clarity as why i have said earlier (ignore the VE voting for him part), mainly because of my analysis of the NK's at the start of D2. I want to hear more from yamato/BC regarding BC's case, i think yamato's answer was weak, he just said "no U scum, i'll tell more later". I could write something about WoS, but not tonight. I think he has a fair chance of flipping mafia, but Clarity is more likely imo.

I didn't like how Mr.CheeseCake accepted geript's case on GiygaS, as the case was full of nothing. I want him to tell why he did so.

On April 26 2013 02:55 GiygaS wrote:

Basically, I would say Ace is scum based purely off his day 1 play in my eyes, but his day 2 sort of redeemed him in my eyes. However, it seems to me that Ace could just be looking pro town purposefully because accusations started going on him. That's my logic.

On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato being absentee is fucking weird...he didn't give any indication that he'd be gone for so long and he's got a BC case to refute if he can.

I want to lynch Palmar still.

Nothing has changed since I left except BM posting a lot and Palmar continuing to be awful.

On April 27 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:

The thing is, Yamato DID say "I'll respond to this when I have time"

So I mean, what you say may be true, but what Yamato says could be construed as doing exactly what you say. It's subjective. We really need him to respond to the case.

On April 27 2013 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
CC hasn't been like, setting up strawmen or anything when people attack him and that's something I expect from scumCC.

On April 27 2013 22:04 Palmar wrote:
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On April 28 2013 05:54 Palmar wrote:
btw cheesecake and grush confirmed town because they were excited enough to break game rules because they wanted the flip so badly.

not many scumspects left.

On April 29 2013 04:27 Palmar wrote:
yeah VE

On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out

On April 29 2013 08:33 ObviousOne wrote:
I have the wit of a fox and the reflexes of a mongoose, but I am as bright as the NumLock LED on the average keyboard.

On April 22 2013 09:34 Sylencia wrote:
As per usual, at work at the moment, I only skim read but I hope I can properly catch up once I get home tonight.



You think that if I was hiding something I would make it so blatantly obvious that I was nervous? This isn't a real time conversation where I have 10 seconds to come up with a response. Anyone can take time to craft a response that makes them seem like whatever they want to, so trying to read into someone's emotions based on their response (unless it's in the middle of some heated argument) isn't going to get you anywhere.

So to answer your questions, no I'm not, and at the time there was less than 1 page of discussion, of course there wasn't any idea as to what was going on yet. Won't be diving into reading people deeply until I get home tonight. If you think that's scummy you can look at my past games and look at every other game I've played in recent times and compare posting times.

(In any case I'm only on page 25 or so and I don't think I'll get much further while here)

On April 21 2013 18:04 Sylencia wrote:


Seems like a bad idea to me.

PS: Anyone who tries to analyse my first post in the future is dumb.

On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote:
Ok, I'm back, and going back to the start to see what I can gather:

Notes:
- I don't care about meta reads very much. It's easy to manipulate, especially when people outright say 'based on X's meta, he is acting like his town self'. Unless it's obvious, I generally disregard meta arguments.

Comments / Observations:
- Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious.
Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation.

- I was actually suspicious of gemoript due to the super weak town reads / don't kill these guys yet post until the hydra cut occurred, and valid points have been raised about that action, but I don't really want to talk about that any further.



Based on one statement I make which isn't indicative of anything whatsoever makes you think I'm scummy? It's fine if you're accusing me if you have a case but casual accusations with no followups don't sit well with me since it ends up being bait for people to jump on.

So other than the lack of activity which I have shown thus far, are there any other points you'd like to make?



Trying. Not easy though, 20 pages of catchup doesn't make it easy to digest the content.



From the pages regarding TRN and Rayn, both have been hard at work defending each other, though I don't really understand the point being raised about why Rayn isn't scum.

Was he scum when he tunneled or was he town? Rayn has shown tendencies in other games to shotgun vote and accuse others, and it's seen here and from your games he can tunnel too. His behaviour is erratic and so unless there's points regarding the content being townie, I don't think anything can be said about the way he plays.

You dislike Sharrant, so does that mean you suspect him or are you just putting it out there? Does Rayn's activity put him in the town books for you, because while it can be used as a basis for a case when none others appear, it's pretty alignment indicitive. If it's not part of your reasoning behind it, why is rayn already town in your eyes?

(Okay, seems like this is asked later on, but I'm leaving it here as per OO's request)



I'm somewhat doing the same, so I'm wondering how you can see someone as town without looking at the whole picture. I haven't really got any town reads due to this, but the fact you're able to either means you're doing something wrong, or you know something we don't.

- Following from this there's a clear TRN-Sharrant-Rayn argument breaking out, with Sharrant backtracking on past accusations and rayn aggressively defending while accusing Sharrant as well.

Rayn: Pushing for all millers to die (and voting on it) on day 1 honestly doesn't sound like a great plan. It wastes days where there's actually stuff to analyse, it creates a lazy town atmosphere which only helps scum, and with that comes a lot less conversation. You said you thought that BM was scum but what makes him so much more scummy at the time than someone else with low number of posts and providing just words and not content (eg. me)?

In any case:




This looks so dumb honestly.

Ok, I'm done for now, ##vote rayn at the moment because of the weirdest irregularities in posts.

On April 23 2013 00:03 Sylencia wrote:


Town: 10-6
Scum: 4-1
3p: 1-1

Great scum win % = scum???

(relax, i'm joking)

On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote:
Oats is the vote for me. Case from Vivax + aftermath between yamato vs Oats has convinced me more to taking down Oats. The thing that was holding me back most was that my primary scum suspect (rayn) was on Oats fairly early on. However:



Given that Oats never actually provided anything for us in terms of reads afterwards and posted crap about being green and telling people to push others. If he has nothing to say either:
a) He's playing as the bad townie
b) He's withholding that info from us to stop us from gaining more than we need from the lynch.

Either case is bad for town, so that's why I'm willing to go down on Oats.

##Unvote
##Vote Oats

On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote:
CC -
Kush Town
Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness
Unvoted due to incident.
Leaned towards oats based on effort.
Wants to lynch ShiaoPi
Sharrent Town read
Note: Mentions being town billions of times

WaveOfShadow:
VE Town Read
Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging
Unvoted due to incident.
Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting.
Sharrant town read
Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant
Reinforced Sharrant town read

grush:
bandwagons yamato
suspects gigyas due to bandwagon.
a lot of off topic comments

Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning:



Yet his bandwagon:



When asked about whether he would vote Yamato.

Tube:
???

Drazak:
Has posted, but has never returned since.

Giygas:
Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts.
Hopeless not suspected as scum
Sharrant town read
Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime.

Sylencia:
Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided
Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM
Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats.

VisceraEyes:
Early on uneasy about Palmar.
Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?)
Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts
voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below)



Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic.

Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation.
Says he can get behind an Oats lynch.
Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus)
switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above)

Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE.


Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?)

Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx

On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote:
Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.

##Vote ShiaoPi

On April 29 2013 10:02 Palmar wrote:
ok sorry guys I wanted to make this more interesting but here goes.

am cop
checked BC
BC guilty

go go wagon.

On April 29 2013 10:50 Ace wrote:


because then youd have 3 investigations and be sure of your sanity.

you didnt think this through much did you?

On April 29 2013 10:52 Ace wrote:


Palmar claiming should tell you not to claim. What ever BC flips has 0 bearing on you. Whatever Palmar flips has 0 bearing on you. How does you claiming help to resolve that situation? it doesn't.

You could have easily just sat back and investigated whichever one of them lives through today to confirm your sanity. Lynching Sylencia does nothing. nada to clear that up. I refuse to believe you are this stupid.

On April 29 2013 10:56 Ace wrote:


crumb? I dont know - TALK your way out of a lynch. You haven't even been brought up as a suspect you are talking nonsense.

On April 29 2013 11:01 Ace wrote:


rape you both.

lol @ Mr.CC claiming grush's death as an excuse for him getting shot. Stop it.

On April 29 2013 11:09 WaveofShadow wrote:

WHY

On April 29 2013 11:16 ObviousOne wrote:
In any case I want to lynch Syl anyway, so if we're both scum I'm totes bussing the fuck out of him right now.

On April 29 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:

Why?

On April 29 2013 11:25 ObviousOne wrote:
@CC you have a town read on Yamato at this point?

On April 29 2013 11:28 yamato77 wrote:
Oh, and there could be a framer, meaning wrong checks don't even imply being mafia

lolol, there's no way to confirm any of you.

On April 29 2013 11:28 ObviousOne wrote:

I knew he was town? At that point? No.

I'm looking at my chart here which is why I'm asking.

TRN is a good lynch today IMO. He's only ever voted Yamato, basically fucked off all of D2 to the point that he didn't even vote, and his engagement with other players at this point is near nil.

On April 29 2013 11:30 ObviousOne wrote:

Yes I want to lynch both? Is that not allowed?

On April 29 2013 11:30 yamato77 wrote:

oh

well, night 1 checks are still unreliable

assuming tube even sent night actions, lol

On April 29 2013 11:31 ObviousOne wrote:

? I just brought up that I could be death miller. I know I'm town. I want to kill Syl because he is objectively scummy, unless he's also death miller??? Maybe I'm not being explicit enough?

On April 29 2013 11:35 TheRavensName wrote:

i didn't want to vote thirty or so pages behind and then by the time I finished reading the day had ended, so that was the end of that. Remember the modkilled scummer tried to use his last sprouts of activity to kill me. And I have no reaso n to claim miller, especially if I'm going to be under such scrutiney for it when a town miller already flipped.

Are you saying I'm a better lynch then varifying ANY of our three cops?

On April 29 2013 12:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I'm saying is that doesn't make sense if you have any kind of town-read on OO if you believe me at all. Shiao is also objectively scummy. Why nothim Cheese?

On April 30 2013 00:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol if Shiao is town we're fucked.

On April 30 2013 04:12 GiygaS wrote:
Hey guys? How about GiygaS?

On April 30 2013 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote:

Explain.

On May 20 2013 23:46 Palmar wrote:


point being that situation shouldn't have existed in the first place.

If you were 1% harder to lynch because of this, the game is ruined and invalid.