EPTOn April 30 2013 04:44 Palmar wrote:
giggles is really sticking, I'm a fan.
giggles is really sticking, I'm a fan.
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Instead of attempting to critically analyze that post, giggles reduced it to OMGUS from Palmar and also gives no second thoughts to his "#2" (to me) scum read (ie Yamato) nor to thread sentiment. He's still running on a fuck it, lynch Hopeless agenda. Scummy as shit. I seriously think giggles+yamato make sense. The main post I made my town read on giygas from could very well have been scum blatantly flaunting knowledge that we aren't supposed to have as town. Assuming scum shot Ace N1 and it further fits that. Id need to confirm timing but that assumption may also support yamato's push that ace was 3P - they shot him and he didnt claim it ergo 3P. I need to go to bed and won't be around until 15ish hours from now at the earliest. Feel free to lynch me (or yamato) so the town can get some wind back in its sails on where to go next. | ||
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On May 06 2013 11:24 GiygaS wrote: Ugh, I'm not 100% sure of Yamato right now, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My read right now is that say we lynch Hopeless today. If he flips scum, I've got a big town read on Yamato. If he flips town, I think Yamato should be the next lynch. Kush is acting really strange about this read too, as he was obviously initially convinced it was mildly scummy (he was the one that initially pointed it out). Like here: Why has he suddenly pulled a 180 saying the quote is too scummy to be actual scum? It doesn't add up. On May 07 2013 09:23 GiygaS wrote: THIS. Palmar's entire case on Yamato seems to be that he made some reaching town reads on that list, and that he's flippy floppy on kush. Meanwhile, Yamato is completely set on the fact that one of BC and Palmar just HAS TO BE SCUM, IT JUST HAS TO. I'm going with Hopeless, and I'm not going to switch my vote to either Yamato or Palmar until there is an actually convincing case against them, or if one (or both) make a scumslip. ##Vote Hopeless1der Giggles setting up mislynches based strictly on association (Me/Yamato). I call this scum tactics. Lynch him (after me?) | ||
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On May 09 2013 22:36 TheRavensName wrote: Quick question, after the modkill... how many mislynches do we get? probably 8v2 right now. Lynch=7v2 NK=6v2 Lynch=5v2 NK=4v2 **MYLO** (No-Lynch?) NK=3v2 LYLO I'm getting 2 Mislynches and a potential No-Lynch at MYLO if anyone wishes to confirm. May we vote for a No-Lynch? | ||
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On May 09 2013 22:54 GiygaS wrote: So because I wasn't sure about Yamato (following context this is when I saw the post that defended Clarity and ShiaoPi in the same post), I'm setting up mislynches? For that logic to even work, you'd have to be town, which is false. Yesterday, I wanted to see you flip. Today, I want to see you flip. First: + Show Spoiler + No U Second: + Show Spoiler + On May 09 2013 21:00 Hopeless1der wrote: Giggles setting up mislynches based strictly on association (Me/Yamato). I call this scum tactics. Lynch him (after me?) Anyways...##Vote: GiygaS | ||
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@WoS my access is kind of limited to hotspots, I'm visiting my brother in the US. However I'd gladly try to have a chat. | ||
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On May 10 2013 01:54 kushm4sta wrote: lol hopeless i figured out you were scum in the first few hours of the game remember? thats not a fucking answer kush. It's also wrong. What further reasoning do you have? | ||
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On May 09 2013 23:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and Hopeless, the association reads that GiygaS is making are bad, though I don't necessarily see them as scummy. What I DON'T like is his avoidance of the main issue of the day, being Palmar. This looks a LOT like distancing, Gigs. What gives? Especially since there was a SHIT TON of info on yamato and Palmar; you just seem to wilfully ignore it. My problem with the association read is that he says 1 of me and yamato essentially must be scum, but I 100% know hes wrong (since yamato flipped). If you think I'm town, or want to flip me first to confirm then by all means. But once my alignment is secured, giygas' actions look real scummy to me. | ||
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On May 10 2013 02:26 kushm4sta wrote: I have seen hopeless scum in other games. He is very good at towning it up when he's about to get lynched. What the fuck? I got lynched for not towning it up in acme, another game where you tried to game the setup (fake claiming/ VT names being inanimate objects) and as scum i explicitly told you that you were wrong to use that reasoning(we had fake claims). The same way your read on VE, while correct, was based on flawed logic. @WoS I need to check through his filter properly but hes just been wishywashy about lynching between me and yamato and then yesterday shows up to plop his terrible vote onto me so hes not as implicated on the mislynch of yamato. His filter says he was torn between me and yamato but his actions dont quite agree to me. | ||
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On May 10 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote: You're trying to 'resist' the analysis? What does that even mean? You don't want to being it to the thread for fear of derailing a lynch? You don't want to analyze me? If you did all sorts of work with Sharrant why not help the fucking town with it? I really don't understand your motivation here. its like the fucking popcorn incident all over again....I'm at my laptop for probably an hour or so if anyone wants to chat. Reading through Giygas and general votecount things while I'm here. | ||
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ctrl+f: cedric Read just those 3 posts that turn up and see how you feel, barring the rest of his filter. I got town from that exercise when I did it a couple days ago. | ||
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When he puts his vote on Ace initially, it was for the switch from "anti" to "pro" town, which drew this exchange with rayn (read the spoilers for some context): On April 26 2013 02:55 GiygaS wrote: Basically, I would say Ace is scum based purely off his day 1 play in my eyes, but his day 2 sort of redeemed him in my eyes. However, it seems to me that Ace could just be looking pro town purposefully because accusations started going on him. That's my logic. On April 26 2013 03:16 GiygaS wrote: It's hard to explain from my phone. Day 1 Ace urged us to take our time, and then rushed the hammer and lynch on Oats. What I'm saying is that upon further reflection, Ace is a red read for me based on his day 1 play. Not a contradiction per se, but scummy nonetheless in my opinion. On April 26 2013 09:49 GiygaS wrote: Palmar: - Starts off the day my declaring to the world that Vivax is town because of that "strange heuristic". Could be that he already knew Vivax was town, or it could be that this was his actual read. I'm leaning on the latter. - Goes on geript, who we now know is modconfirmed. At the time however, the case was pretty dang solid, and it seems like it was good scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: List of probably town: Bill Murray getmoript (QT thing) Vivax slot machine dude hopeless list of maybe town: Ace grush cheesecake kush Sylencia TheRavensName list of who knows: WaveofShadow Tube Drazak Clarity_nl Sharrant Yamato77 ShiaoPi list of bloodycobblers: BloodyCobbler list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing): DoctorHelvetica ObviousOne Oatsmaster giggles The bolded here disturbs me a bit (or maybe it was just the name he gave me  )- Said it before, I'll say it again. This is wrong, Blazinghand's pm was to ask to drop out, not to confirm. No influence on scum or town though. - Jumped on VE 2 minutes after he omitted VE purposefully (from what I got from it he meant it as a null read) Not as bad as Ace pushing for the hammer because he didn't stress to take our time, but he was the hammer(1), and still really didn't post an explanation for his suspicions on oats up until this point. He later jokingly ealaborated that he lynched oats cause oats accused him of being mafia. This is his way of shifting away from the fact that he had no explanation.(2) - Now he's sort of tunneling on VE, whom I have a town read on. - And of course the thing I already brought up (being that he called out inactives for modkills but not tube, who was the most inactive) (1) Palmar wasn't the hammer (2) This "joke" came up pretty goddamn early in the thread. All the justification Palmar ever had for his Oats vote was here:+ Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 20:00 Palmar wrote: There are two ways of looking at your post. First option is that you're town and legitimately think I'm scum. The second is you're scum and know I'm town and thus want to discredit me. Since you didn't present any arguments to back up your conclusion, I am inclined to think you must be scum. So until you present a believable motivation for your accusations... ##vote Oatsmaster GiygaS twists the following post to serve his scumread while ignoring what I just quoted: On April 24 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote: I beg to differ, I think it's hilarious that we killed Oats. Hopefully other people will take notice what happens when people call me scum. This analysis of Palmar from GiygaS is lackluster and neglects to tell us whether his read is town or scum until later: On April 26 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote: Oh and my reading on Palmar is not town anymore, but scummy, but not as scummy as Ace or ShiaoPi But wait, pop over to his filter and just skim a couple posts from that last one. He goes from Ace/Shiao to clarity and shortly thereafter has completely dropped Palmar. I'll concede I fucked this up already with Sharrant and his read on Rayn, but I still find the way his reads seem to conform to the thread sentiment to be scummy. If he is scum, it looks horrible to back off of a scumread when that player flips scum. By process of elimination my top 3 scumreads are GiygaS, Palmar and BC, so my reads are liable to be confirmation biased. I'm trying to spin the most convincing story that makes my target out to be scum and determine what seems most likely. I'm headed out now so I'll finish up my bias read when I'm back tonight. Also I got diddly from vote-count analysis so far. I blazed through Day 1 and nothing jumped out at me, considering the lynch came down to two townies. I guess you could say kush is useless as usual but I really do think he's town so I disregarded that aspect of things. Random BC speculation-like thoughts: + Show Spoiler + Artanis' case on BC is sitting in the back of my mind. I can follow where the logic in the roleblocking "clears" him. However, I am almost 100% certain I've seen a scumteam withhold a block for towncred and also BC is a decent target for 3P to take out early to keep themselves safe, assuming scum shoot at Palmar/Ace first. This is N1 speculation, not considering Ace was 3P. | ||
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##Unvote: GiygaS ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On May 11 2013 00:08 kushm4sta wrote: This is a wifom bomb. It doesn't make sense for town to say this, because town knows that being town doesn't make your reads right. yeah so why does yamato's opinion on giggles make him town to Palmar? This argument goes both ways and is thoroughly inconclusive. By your logic we should be lynching Palmar, right kush? | ||
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