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On April 28 2013 06:28 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sorry guys had to take a shower. I'm going to explain soon why VE and yamato are probably scum. Third scum i'm not sure of yet, leaning on Sylencia/WoS/Hopeless. I also strongly think Palmar is third faction. Sharrant & Ace kinda confirmed town, doc/jailer on them kthxplz. sk and sp have to send in night action every day and can not get mediced. However Palmar did get rbed so it is a possibility of him being 3rd party. So rber rb Palmar 
I don't follow. Where does it say they cannot be medicced? I only see where their attacks pierce medic protection, at least that's my interpretation.
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On April 28 2013 06:33 Bill Murray wrote:
WoS next. He slipped earlier.
100% agree
since i pressured Clarity,
you all should listen to me
Can you show me what his slip was?
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On April 28 2013 06:35 yamato77 wrote:
Vick Ace for obvious on clarity
proceed to win game
GG
What are you even saying?
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On April 28 2013 06:40 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 06:37 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 06:35 yamato77 wrote:
Vick Ace for obvious on clarity
proceed to win game
GG What are you even saying? Vigi Ace for obvibus on Clarity
And here's where you tell me that's a joke, right? Right?
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On April 28 2013 06:45 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 06:40 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 06:40 yamato77 wrote:On April 28 2013 06:37 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 06:35 yamato77 wrote:
Vick Ace for obvious on clarity
proceed to win game
GG What are you even saying? Vigi Ace for obvibus on Clarity And here's where you tell me that's a joke, right? Right? 1) i figured that's what he was saying 2) i dont think he's joking 3) ignore him; he's a vi
No, can't ignore him. Need to know if he's joking or not. It's very important.
On April 28 2013 06:45 Bill Murray wrote:yo Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? Vivax could you answer this? I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet. Because the OP clearly states there can be multiple number of same roles, so discussing if there are one or more self-aware millers in stupid in the first place. Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched. ##Vote: Bill Murray anyone remember this post? all i said was "sheverus shnape" i didnt claim ANYTHING town vivax is wanting to question me scum rayn is wanting to push a mislynch on a vet FoS rayn Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? Vivax could you answer this? I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet. What concerns me about you on this is the following: You state that there is no reason to discuss this atm, yet you are giving BM an out in the first place by discussing the matter and saying this kinda stuff: he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ).And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape. Why are you so eager to give BM the "right" answers if you want him to expalin himself? attacks vivax when i dont need an out due to the wording, hell, the LETTERING being an obvious joke...... trying to make an associative tell and chainlynch on d1.... scummy scummy scum Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 01:23 kushm4sta wrote:
WE knew that's what VE meant because we are town. Scum prob didn't know what he meant. Now you just explained it to them. I think that ship sailed already. this interaction with another scumspect of mine, kush, makes him look awful im saying kush, rayn, and WoS are maf how many are left? brb once i find if WoS chimed in on this
I'm honestly not seeing Kush as mafia, I've played with him before, and he's a very stream of consciousness player. His first posts gave me such a town read on him I really don't think he's mafia. I'll look into him again before the night's out, but I don't see it at this point.
I think you should take a glance at Stutters. If I could flip anyone right now it would be him. I am almost 100% on him being mafia after Clarity's flip, though if Shiao flips scum I'd be null on him, I think.
I'm not sure how I would feel about flipping Rayn this early. I will think about it more, that he was on Clarity's wagon is enough for me to not want him dead at this point, but I'll read over his entry onto the wagon and what was going on before that.
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Yamato, do you have any desire whatsoever to lynch Ace?
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On April 28 2013 07:16 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:05 Sharrant wrote:
Yamato, do you have any desire whatsoever to lynch Ace? Lots of desire, very serious. Will talk at length later, not at home. Viging me is fine, since I will flip town and people will stop being dumb about what I say anyway.
I'm excited about this, I want to read it, because right now this reads to me as a scum claim from you.
On April 28 2013 07:15 grush57 wrote:
i meant that whoever the sk or sp shoots will get killed no matter what.
there was 2kp.
1 guy got shot.
if palmar got rbed the shot wouldnt go throw because a 3rd party + mafia would be 3kp.
so whoever roleblocked palmar do it again.
The serial poisoner wouldn't show up until night 2's end though, right? Or are notifications given when a player is poisoned?
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Hey, does anyone want to play the game where we go through Clarity's filter?
For anyone with doubts about BM, I think Clarity's filter should show that they weren't scum together.
Clarity brings up lynching ShiaoPi quite a few times, seems to be setting him up for the noose. He also references GiygaS as someone to look into puts him as "who the fuck knows" I'm leaning towards them being opposite alignments because of this, but I haven't read from both angles yet.
The other thing is this post in particular jumps out at me:
On April 23 2013 16:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 12:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Why is there a case on Sharrant by some guy that randomly got into the thread.... Why not? Maybe instead of asking a question that has no answer you could comment on the case I made? I'll comment on it. I already forget who said it but it screams to me of reaching. I have a very strong townread on Sharrant right now and nothing you bring up in your case on him strikes me as scummy at all---how is providing 'easy outs' as you call them an anti-town thing to do? What is inherently scummy about the way he has presented himself? I will agree that his methodology isn't necessarily great but it certainly doesn't look scummy. For example in the first example you gave he provides Rayn with an out because they had already been arguing for fucking ages and shitting up the thread; it's entirely possible that he wants the argument to end as well and just wants to get a clear read, which certainly seems likely as he encourages Rayn to continue the discussion on another subject. I don't see anything wrong with his asking questions of others; everybody in here does that and you're really reaching with his talking about how he has to go eat makes him look insecure. You say that he just asks shallow questions to look involved? He's been plenty involved and has had plenty opportunity as scum to just blend it or let something go and make it seem as though he has contributed. Your case is bad and I urge you to look over something else if YOU want to make it seem like you're contributing. Providing easy outs isn't anti-town so much as it is pro-scum. It's very easy to say "do this or I'll lynch you!!!!" because your target will do what you ask. This is fine if you are asking for something that may result in anything but when you ask a question with only one possible answer regardless of your targets alignment then it is just a waste of space. If you are town and you are scumhunting you do NOT want to give whoever you're pressuring the "how-to-get-rid-of-me guide" Asking questions is fine, it generates discussion even when you do it as scum, but when there is no clear motivation NOR follow-up behind the questions then I begin to wonder why the question was asked at all, and I can only see it as feigning to contribute which is obviously a scum trait. Although I don't agree with defending a townread day 1 at all unless they are at risk of being lynched (which he is clearly not) you do make a valid point concerning the first post I addressed. I still believe I am on to something but I can see with the current thread sentiment and the fact that I am in no strong position (showing up way late >.<) that this lynch isn't happening. A weak case is still a case and it could have sparked some discussion that's not centered around oats and yamato which are as far as I'm concerned both policy lynches at best.
Where did that come out of? Read through the rest of Clarity's filter and find a post that feels as constructed and peer reviewed as that one. He suddenly comes in and calmly explains something to WoS and sounds like he's writing a paper for a class. Look at every other post in his filter, they all just read like they were slapped out in a minute after finding whichever thing he thought he could run with against a player.
Is this Clarity and WoS trying to "act natural" in the thread via prestructured conversation?
There's some more interesting things in Clarity's filter, but I'd like someone that isn't Ace/BC/BM/Palmar to find them, and give opinions on them (you four can comment after someone else mentions it).
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Ace, what are you feeling on Hopeless? He's been on the wrong side of both lynches so far in the worst way possible. Unlucky town, or mafia?
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I think the night actions pretty much clear Palmar from being scum, he might be third party, but I'm sure his RB was genuine, and I'm sure he was shot over BC. While I think BC's analysis is held in higher regard than Palmar's for the most part, Palmar just came off a really strong town game, and had a much larger thread presence, had more analysis posted, and has a very easy time getting people to follow or at least sheep his cases.
BC was mentioned in the thread a few times as being his own worst enemy because his play style has gotten him mislynched recently regardless of the strength of the analysis.
I guess a third option I had not properly considered was that scum's second shot actually hit Serial Poisoner last night and fizzled on his night life.
I definitely don't have the same townread I had on him going into night 1, but I am fairly sure he is not scum.
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On April 29 2013 04:19 Blazinghand wrote:
ShiaoPi has been warned for inactivity.
Sutters965 has been warned for inactivity.
It would certainly be amusing, but a little depressing if these are the third and fourth inactivity warnings for the scum team.
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Do we have twenty minutes, or an hour and twenty minutes?
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Oops, it's in my long post but I think I forgot to post it in the thread yet.
I think TRN is a good cop check tonight. No framer anymore (unless scum have two), least likely person to be Godfather. Gives me the heebie jeebies (it's in the long post that will be up soon). Really seems to be just sort of skating by at this point.
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Bloody Cobbler's analysis on vig shots pretty closely mirrors my own, so I'll just point out the spots that are different.
I'm waffling too much about Sylencia. I've written and erased 5 paragraphs worth of back and forth arguments, and I honestly can't decide. He's got some really townie looking stuff that makes me think he's townie, and he has an excuse for his lack of activity recently, but his super low activity and his attempt to push the lynch over to ShiaoPi as he was leaving puts him right back in unknown territory for me.
Yamato:
He only became a good shot when he said he was still suspicious of Ace. Yamato is always hardheaded, and inelegant when he plays, this is never a reason to lynch him. That's just his style, it works for him, and he consistently plays that way. This negates most of the reasons other people put him as scummy, at least in my opinion. The thing that differentiates his scum play from his town play mostly just seems to be where he's headed, and how the amount of thought he puts into it. That he's been consistently wrong and always seemingly headed in the wrong direction, and then instead of trying to correct his course just tries to butt heads with Ace is the strongest point to him being scum.
If he's not shot, he should be a lynch candidate if only to motivate him to play for real. If he's town he can still be a strong player if motivated properly, but he's shown he will need that forced on him.
I think the best shots are just firing randomly into:
Stutters
Yamato
Artanis
Hopeless
I'm the least convinced of a shot on WoS, but it's still worth considering.
I'm starting to come back to being suspicious of TRN, I think he's a great cop check as the framer is dead, and he's the least likely person out there to be godfather.
Super duper town:
Ace
Townie or third party:
Palmar (I don't see him as mafia, and his post about protection makes me even doubt Third Party except for Survivor. I feel he'd want his night actions too much)
Townie:
BC
Kush
BM
Geript
ObviousOne
Grush
Null
WoS
GiygaS
Scummy
Stutters
Artanis
Yamato
Hopeless
People I think need specific talking about:
VisceraEyes:
The most damning thing to me is saying he could switch to Clarity, but never actually switching, then soft pushing ShiaoPi for the next day. Honestly not sure about him though, his day 2 looked really good up until Clarity flipped and he still hadn't switched.
I could see him going either way, but he's not a good shot. If he dies it has to be from a lynch, and it has to be well examined.
Rayne:
Relatively sure he's town, but there's a few things that still make me double take in his filter. He's most likely town, but should be reexamined if he makes it to end game. Not interested in a shot or lynch on him in the forseeable future. I'd be almost 100% sure he was town if not for the few nagging doubts about his filter.
TRN:
Something in my gut keeps screaming about him being mafia. Actually, I think I know what it is. For someone who had such a weak early game, and seemed to need so much guidance, he suddenly seemed very flippant and self-assured by day 2.
I imagine there will be one "odd man out" kill tonight, as there's most likely a serial poisoner and he had to pick his kill back on night 1. So it will most likely stand out. If there're 4 non-town kills tonight (ie anything not from a claimed vigi) it's probably wise to policy lynch Palmar. The threshold might be 5 non-town kills though, I'm not 100% sure on the numbers. But at 4 you should start looking at any rate.
Palmar
Ace
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On April 29 2013 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I actually just forgot about the Mason QT.
You forgot about being masoned?
I would very much like to see the mason logs.
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On April 29 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote:I was told that is against the rules.
How many posts did Palmar make?
Can you please paraphrase as best you can as to his actual respones, with as little as bias as possible.
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On April 25 2013 04:21 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... and Cedric's flavortext lives up to its reputation.
That makes sense as to why this post stood out like a sore thumb to me.
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VE, aside from Palmar who do you want to lynch today? And if you could instantly lynch someone right now, no discussion with anyone, that person just drops dead, who would it be? Would it be the same person you want to lynch today?
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On April 29 2013 07:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Scum has masoners too... why is everyone so quick to believe TRN? I saw something about flavor.
Huh. I was about to jump on you about this one, but scum actually can have masoners. I thought only Jacks could mason for scum team.
Thank you, I'm not sure how I feel about him now. A point in his favour though, is if he is mafia, Palmar is a bold choice to mason with.
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Actually, thought about it for a moment more. I still believe Palmar to be the night 1 hit, so it would make no sense for mafia to also try and mason him. Both are very likely to be town, in my opinion.
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