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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
you wanted people to post it so I did and I said happy birthday like as a present lol | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO? I already answered that question on the previous page | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I already answered that question on the previous page Sorry, question worded badly. What differs OO from the other people who think the same? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry, question worded badly. What differs OO from the other people who think the same? Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I wonder why palmar has bm as town but ve thinks he's scum. I have no idea what to make of his random "faggot" outburst | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
Oatsmaster: Hopeless1der: Vivax (1) Bill Murray: Getmoript: TheRavensName: Raynpelikoneet: Sharrant, Sylencia, Hopeless1der, ObviousOne(4) Ace: Sharrant: Yamato: kushm4sta, BloodyCobbler, Ace, Grush57, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes (6) VisceraEyes: Palmar, Yamato (2) Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link) With 25 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch. | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum. That's what i was wondering, mainly. The reason i asked about this is because i have trouble reading OO correctly. I totally misread him in Red, and in PYP i was hesitant to express my suspicion on him because of my terrible read on him in Red. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum. Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:21 Vivax wrote: Or to put it differently, your conclusions are quick, have rather poor reasoning, little doubt, and your filter looks overall shit. I die d1 / n1 virtually every game where towns typically overall have terrible play / doing really wtf. Its to the point that anything I view as extremely easy to understand logically I will likely not explain fully. Why? Because I am not here to teach you how to play. Also anyone who bases reads on a player exclusively on a filter without the context of posts should be ashamed. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote: Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading? What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I die d1 / n1 virtually every game where towns typically overall have terrible play / doing really wtf. Its to the point that anything I view as extremely easy to understand logically I will likely not explain fully. Why? Because I am not here to teach you how to play. Also anyone who bases reads on a player exclusively on a filter without the context of posts should be ashamed. ![[image loading]](http://www.andyellwood.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/knowledge.drop_.png) | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic. I claimed I hadn't read my role PM (and I hadn't when I posed) and created similar chaos in RED. You would have lynched me for that as well? Also, if you want the level of play of TL mafia to improve maybe have some fucking goodwill and share that experience with people so you don't end up calling entire towns shit when most people seem to be playing to the best of their time/ability. Like seriously, you are further enforcing the forum meta that being an asshole to others will somehow encourage them to do better. Let me drop you a hint, it doesn't work on everyone, even if it works on some. That attitude will drive people away and it'll be you and a handful of other obnoxious people shitting up game threads that nobody wants to join because they would rather have a dentist appointment than the displeasure of dealing with being told they are awful every single game. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I die d1 / n1 virtually every game where towns typically overall have terrible play / doing really wtf. Its to the point that anything I view as extremely easy to understand logically I will likely not explain fully. Why? Because I am not here to teach you how to play. Also anyone who bases reads on a player exclusively on a filter without the context of posts should be ashamed. I am just aware of the influence a player with strong reputation can have even without proper reasoning behind it, which makes it a dangerous attribute if that player is mafia. I wanted to have it pointed out, now that you and ace are trumpeting for a yamato lynch. I am not contesting the quality of your read as I'm suspicious of yamato and OO myself, but I'm contesting the process through which we might be heading to the lynch, which is quickly and without further investigation on why yamato or OO might be mafia. I disagree with your reasons to call OO scum, as it works from the premise that there's scum waiting to claim miller, as you seem to say here: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 04:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Simple, its setting up a situation in which a miller can claim to get himself not lynched. Guess what? if you are someone who gets red checks on you, you get lynched or shot. If I claim self aware miller and town accepts it, whats to stop mafia from doing it once? Whats to stop them from doing it period and hope to god a ton of other people don't claim? If you accept bullshit claims like that then it auto confirms people for no reason other than players are stupid. If you are someone who gets a red check when checked you die. Even if you disagree with his policy, I don't see it necessarily coming from scum, speaking of which, I wouldn't have lynched a miller if he claimed right at the start of the game, but it wouldn't be a reason to give him leeway either. @ Yamato Can you go in depth with your most important reads, as they seem to have very little foundation? Townies can have "ass" reasons to call you scum as well. Also explain your unusual play, does it have a background or do you think you played "standard"? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic. self aware millers should claim if the role counts are known, and should be expected to get policy lynched if the game goes on long enough. Otherwise not claiming can be brutal as Scum can claim it first and skate off. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:38 Ace wrote: self aware millers should claim if the role counts are known, and should be expected to get policy lynched if the game goes on long enough. Otherwise not claiming can be brutal as Scum can claim it first and skate off. Role counts aren't known though so its a moot point. In a role counts game you can have the entire game mass claim and anywhere number of claims differ from whats listed you lynch/vig into thus forcing mafia to hide in the vanilla's or lose. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
##Vote Oatsmaster His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression. Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote: I'll tell you who I want to lynch the most today: ##Vote Oatsmaster His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression. Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats. seriously, lets not do this. No meta cases please. We need 13 votes to secure a lynch by deadline - how about we not bring up lynching people with no context in THIS game whatsoever? You aren't going to convince many people with this, and you're just stalling the yamato wagon. Dont do this bullshit. | ||
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