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On April 23 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote:
I'll tell you who I want to lynch the most today:
##Vote Oatsmaster
His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression.
Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats. seriously, lets not do this. No meta cases please. We need 13 votes to secure a lynch by deadline - how about we not bring up lynching people with no context in THIS game whatsoever? You aren't going to convince many people with this, and you're just stalling the yamato wagon. Dont do this bullshit.
The day ends when a majority is reached. I see no mention of a deadline though I assume there will be an ultimatum if Day 1 takes too long similar to how one of the days in Noir played out.
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Don't worry, I'll deliver some context, slow and steady, hot and juicy:
On April 22 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:33 GiygaS wrote:On April 22 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is me being 'wrong' make me scummy giygas.
Also was me asking VE what made Palmar town trying to dissuade a town read, or trying to solidify my read?
What is the difference and why does that make me scummy? You being 'wrong' isn't really anything against you, I just figured I might as well add it in. Actively trying to spread suspicion by stopping town reads is what scum wants to do. When I read it it seemed to me that you wanted to dissuade a town read. On April 22 2013 10:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Giygas as your self appointed lawyer I must remind you that you do not have to answer any of these questions, as you have not yet been charged with a crime. Thanks kush, haha. Right, so Im scum because I questioned VE's town read on Palmar off 1 post when VE offered no explanation other than, 'only town palmar does this'. Makes a whole lotta sense. OO I explained why I found the first post of Palmar scummy earlier, short summery was that he asked the thread to discuss a townread rather than a scumread and I found that pointless and useless this stage of the game. Palmar day 1 either lurks like a fucker or is useful. So far not useful but I like his responses after that. Also VE has decent reads and Im feeling like town VE although I apparently cant read him. DONT CARE. Bleh, Dont really feel anyone is particularly scummy other than yamato for showing up and fucking off without doing ANYTHING.
Possibly Sylencia but he does this shit every game town or mafia. Although his last town game he posted longer stuff. So really really superficial read on his post length makes him SCUM. Then yamato isnt. But whatever.
Facts about the bolded:
- Oats says VE has good reads
- Oats found Palmar's post scummy, VE said Palmar would be town for that
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. I think Palmar would never make this read as scum. Discuss
- VE had geript as scumread before Oats posted this, but when Oats posted this:
1. Geript was basically modconfirmed
2. Nowhere do we see that Oats is agreeing on VE's scumread on geript.
Wishywashy post with lots of unconfirmed and incorrect stuff. Add the meta to it and you have a tiptop D1 lynch.
/summon Palmar
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oh ok. Infinite days are possible. Ignore the part about wasting our time then, even though you still need a more convincing case than "he plays different from this one time I saw him". That's just utter bullshit and won't convince anyone. No effort at all.
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On April 23 2013 06:02 Vivax wrote:Don't worry, I'll deliver some context, slow and steady, hot and juicy: Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 22 2013 10:33 GiygaS wrote:On April 22 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is me being 'wrong' make me scummy giygas.
Also was me asking VE what made Palmar town trying to dissuade a town read, or trying to solidify my read?
What is the difference and why does that make me scummy? You being 'wrong' isn't really anything against you, I just figured I might as well add it in. Actively trying to spread suspicion by stopping town reads is what scum wants to do. When I read it it seemed to me that you wanted to dissuade a town read. On April 22 2013 10:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Giygas as your self appointed lawyer I must remind you that you do not have to answer any of these questions, as you have not yet been charged with a crime. Thanks kush, haha. Right, so Im scum because I questioned VE's town read on Palmar off 1 post when VE offered no explanation other than, 'only town palmar does this'. Makes a whole lotta sense. OO I explained why I found the first post of Palmar scummy earlier, short summery was that he asked the thread to discuss a townread rather than a scumread and I found that pointless and useless this stage of the game. Palmar day 1 either lurks like a fucker or is useful. So far not useful but I like his responses after that. Also VE has decent reads and Im feeling like town VE although I apparently cant read him. DONT CARE. Bleh, Dont really feel anyone is particularly scummy other than yamato for showing up and fucking off without doing ANYTHING.
Possibly Sylencia but he does this shit every game town or mafia. Although his last town game he posted longer stuff. So really really superficial read on his post length makes him SCUM. Then yamato isnt. But whatever. Facts about the bolded: - Oats says VE has good reads - Oats found Palmar's post scummy, VE said Palmar would be town for that + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. I think Palmar would never make this read as scum. Discuss - VE had geript as scumread before Oats posted this, but when Oats posted this: 1. Geript was basically modconfirmed 2. Nowhere do we see that Oats is agreeing on VE's scumread on geript. Wishywashy post with lots of unconfirmed and incorrect stuff. Add the meta to it and you have a tiptop D1 lynch. /summon Palmar
Having a bit of trouble with this. Are you saying Oats is initally trusting VE's reads and then contradicting himself? If Oats finds Palmar's post Scummy, then VE says scum Palmar wouldn't post that is the problem then that Oats no longer trusts VE's read?
I'm not sure how the geript thing ties this together. Can you clarify that for me?
my train of thought: I'm guessing VE doesn't have many scum reads at this point. So Oats goes: VE has good reads. One of VE's few reads is geript as Scum. Oats never agrees with it. Since Oats calls VEs reads good, he never points out which ones -> he's just sheeping? therefore most likely Scum. With geript being possibly modconfirmed Town Oat's reasoning fails and since he's just sheeping and not being aggressive -> more likely Scum.
Is that it?
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I'm here, but can someone other than me please whip this town into shape.
I just don't want to 
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I'm trying man. But my gifs aren't convincing enough.
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On April 23 2013 06:22 Palmar wrote:I'm here, but can someone other than me please whip this town into shape. I just don't want to
gotcha
lynch yamato ya retards
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Palmar stop voting me baddie. Vote yamato because he agrees with you.
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It's simpler than that, although Oats actually not going into detail or having congruent reads with VE plays a role as well. Oats scratched as few reasons together to throw around some reads with weak justification after being pressured by two people: OO and Giygas. OO's question he didn't quote was this:
On April 22 2013 10:55 ObviousOne wrote:
As far as Oats is concerned, I'm going to give him a full day to put his madness in the thread, make a call, and stick with my read at that point. For sanity reasons.
@Oats
You called Palmar scum, I'd love to know why. I don't see Palmar being scum at this point. Show me how Palmar is scum and maybe you will get a couple townie points.
Alright, so Oats called Palmar scum and didn't explain it yet, oats received some explanation from VE on why Palmar is supposedly town.
On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something.
Oats then says some stuff about VE being town when it was never a point to his accusation. Why the fuck does Oats suddenly mention reasons for VE being town when the whole point was that
1. He called Palmar scum without initial justification
2. His justification seemed to be that Palmar gave me a townread
3. Giygas said that Oats was antagonizing townreads
His two aggressors never ask Oats about his scumreads, or criticize him for not mentioning any. And yet oats feels like posting a lot of half-assed reads. That's cause he's scared, and tries to do things that look townie, only under pressure, and even if they're not part of the accusations made against him.
Dont really feel anyone is particularly scummy other than yamato for showing up and fucking off without doing ANYTHING.
Possibly Sylencia but he does this shit every game town or mafia. Although his last town game he posted longer stuff. So really really superficial read on his post length makes him SCUM. Then yamato isnt. But whatever.
Oats doesn't follow up on these reads, and prefers to chime in with a joke Palmar made, and generally is pretty uninvolved. Aside from this post, Oats whole filter looks like he doesn't care about solving the game.
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If he had a townread on VE, who cared at that point? If he had scumreads, why does he only mention them as answer to pressure, even though no one asked him about them? Cause he posted them to look like he was doing something, figuring out the game.
Does it look like he tries to pursue these reads outside of this post?
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That is a rock solid case thats shows the Oats wishy washyness. If enough people get that wagon rolling I will switch Vivax. That's a stronger case than the current, albeit solid one on yamato77.
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On April 23 2013 06:30 Vivax wrote:
If he had a townread on VE, who cared at that point? If he had scumreads, why does he only mention them as answer to pressure, even though no one asked him about them? Cause he posted them to look like he was doing something, figuring out the game.
Does it look like he tries to pursue these reads outside of this post?
naw. It does answer my earlier question about if he's supposed to be sheeping his townread (VE) then why doesn't he push em also. Giving information no one asked for in a fake attempt to answer questions is just icing on the cake.
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To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated.
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On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote:
To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated.
My vote on yamato is completely OMGUS. I look into both candidates and provide my own thoughts directly.
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yamato oats scummy? sounds familiar. Im lurking on my phone at work but ill conjure something up post-work.
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Oats' early game looks like a weak attempt at aggression too. He's quick with accusations, but slow with follow-up or explanation. This is a stark contrast from previous games I've played with him as town when he's all over the thread dumping opinions and calling people out.
I could get behind an Oats lynch.
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lurking on phone.
rather kill yamato
oats is just really inactive so I can't get a good read.
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Just catching up with the thread now after school. Oats, can you justify your vote on me with something other than OMGUS?
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I prefer Yamato today. You and the captain can make it happen.
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On April 23 2013 06:53 kushm4sta wrote:
lurking on phone.
rather kill yamato
oats is just really inactive so I can't get a good read.
he was active enough. Read Vivax's case. Both posts on this page are pretty damning.
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