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On April 22 2013 13:26 Bill Murray wrote: i was making a joke about his stupid sounding name it wasn't a serious claim whatsoever this is why the internet is not good for tone. Well that was pretty anticlimactic. | ||
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BM, why in all that is holy would you post that as a joke. You obviously knew exactly what effect a post like that would have, what gives? | ||
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On April 22 2013 13:31 Bill Murray wrote: no i didnt. i didnt spell it correctly to make fun of the lispyness of the name you all should, you know, ask me before you take a claim serious. if i'm CLAIMING i'm going to have a wallpost with my information to give to the thread. All that happened here was mafia wanted to see how easily they could lynch me for attacking a solid town threat. So based on this do you think you can now go through the thread and systematically pick off the mafia by their reactions to your....'joke?' | ||
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On April 23 2013 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Said the kettle. I'm inactive, but clearly trying. Look again. Someone mentioned it earlier but lurker VE is scum VE---since I had you as town read from beginning of game I was worried when you stopped posting. One particular thing that struck me as scummy about Oats (besides the inactivity and general uselessness of his posting) was the vote on Giygas....just looked like an easy way (since he showed minimal suspicion towards him) to toss up an easy vote with minimal substance behind it and fuck off for a while. One thing worries me though and that is this post: On April 22 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Yamato is on a deadline. No content=LYNCH. Good luck yamato. What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started? | ||
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On April 23 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Someone mentioned it earlier but lurker VE is scum VE---since I had you as town read from beginning of game I was worried when you stopped posting. One particular thing that struck me as scummy about Oats (besides the inactivity and general uselessness of his posting) was the vote on Giygas....just looked like an easy way (since he showed minimal suspicion towards him) to toss up an easy vote with minimal substance behind it and fuck off for a while. One thing worries me though and that is this post: What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started? I think I'm more likely to vote for Oats than yamato. | ||
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On April 23 2013 09:00 Vivax wrote: Then,please explain how you see this post: Cause I read it as you trying to distance Oats from Yamato: Like you were trying to show that Oats made a half-assed push against yamato early in the game. Unless you have another explanation for you posting this bit (which you probably should start making up now, in case I guessed correctly). Could you please explain why you would vote for yamato? I literally made the post because I'm curious about whether a double bus makes sense (hint, it usually doesn't) and wanted thread input. Is that not obvious to you? I am aware both look scummy but I'm not sure of both being scum. Can I explain why I would vote for yamato? I'm not 100% sure I would, hence not having voted for either yet. I've seen this kind of play from him before and he's attempting to put in effort now that he's on the block. His case against VE objectively makes sense (VE isn't exactly trying) but conflicts with my townread on VE. It's not like yamato's case is really 'trying' either. Vivax, your asking me how I see my own post is really weird. Like, what exactly are you looking for? | ||
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Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote: Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. | ||
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Don't put words in my mouth, Vivax. On April 23 2013 09:11 Bill Murray wrote: I kind of disagree, WOS ^ I feel like his case is subjective, where it's largely meta based, and that's the reason I agree with it. I don't feel like he has much objectivity with it... in fact, he keeps saying he's going to be trying to catch the entire team, but I have only seen him tunneling, in general... sorry to overgeneralize i'll try to be more specific... he's beating a dead horse Objective was the wrong word to use, yeah. What I meant was everything he says about VE makes sense considering his actions in the games I've played with him, but again there's something in VE's play that has been assuring me he's town...I'll call it a gutread. If Oats flipped town? I'd honestly be tempted to destroy a lot of the lurk going on but they're probably getting replaced and I also know that's not great right now. As far as 'active' posters go ShiaoPi's attack on a town Sharrant doesn't look great to me. I don't have other strong scumreads atm and am going to have to go through and look if you want more than that. | ||
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On April 23 2013 09:32 Vivax wrote: tl dr: What are your reads? I have a bunch of townreads but you probably aren't interested in those. I believe Oats is scum atm but I'd like to hear a little bit more from him before voting. I will be looking into ShiaoPi eventually and another couple of people who I will not name right now as I don't want to derail anything further. Do you think yamato is scum or not? It's not a yes or no question. I believe I made it perfectly clear that I am not sure as to yamato's alignment. His posting could very well make him scum but it doesn't feel right to me. Why did you hesitate to say that you think they cannot both be scum, and instead poked for others to tell you that? You've said it yourself, by saying what I did I am guessing that both are not necessarily scum; I asked others for thoughts, I don't need anyone else to tell me that. Does it seriously look to you like Oats could have been bussing yamato in that post? Yes. Does it look like yamato is so interested into lynching Oats over VE or Ace or BC? Not right now, but it did before. Why did a double bus concern you so much over the stuff about the two -connections aside- which already was in the thread? It doesn't 'concern me' necessarily, but at this point I want to be sure I'm voting for the right person before I commit so I want to consider the options. All of these questions have essentially been previously answered by me; my thoughts haven't changed. Oats what exactly is wrong with Giygas that you want him to die so much? Is there anything new about him since your vote? I believe he has posted a little since so there must be something. | ||
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On April 23 2013 09:40 TheRavensName wrote: Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point? Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours. | ||
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On April 23 2013 09:44 Oatsmaster wrote: never mind I changed my mind. HAMMER HAMMER NOW. This is your response? What possible town motivation is there for acting like this? ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Thoughts on Oats? | ||
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I asked you a very specific question that should be decently easy to answer and you spam shit in the thread and then just scream at people to hammer Giygas when no one is even looking at him except for you, thereby avoiding my simple question entirely. If you were town you'd care more about either trying to clear your name to prevent a mislynch or at the very least give us solid reads and reasoning in case you do go down. | ||
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On April 23 2013 10:00 TheRavensName wrote: I dislike that Your saying I called you wishy washy, and you still didn't answer my question as to why you attacked my read on Ray and not my scum opinion and STILL didn't answer it. Your right that my opinion most likely won't get any traction, seeing as how my musings were completly ignored but I still wanted to put them out there and I wish you would have at least responded to what I asked you, instead of just giving me a crappy answer about why you don't answer. Raven, I'm begging you, let it GO. Focus on something more productive. You DID call me wishy washy. Stop saying 'I dislike,' that in itself is wishy washy. Sharrant is either playing a really REALLY damn good scum game, or he is extremely obviously town. The reason I attacked your read on Rayn and not Sharrant if because I'd be attacking your reads for the same reasons. You base them entirely on their interactions with you only, which is very shortsighted and honestly useless. You brought up omgus earlier in the thread? What you are doing is essentially it---it's bad. Don't focus on the people who focus on you, find scum. | ||
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On April 23 2013 10:11 TheRavensName wrote: So is more scummy that Yamato stopped trolling when he was about to die, or that Oats is just not giving up on it and continuing to be useless? See, this post, I like. More of this. | ||
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On April 23 2013 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Why not? Maybe instead of asking a question that has no answer you could comment on the case I made? I'll comment on it. I already forget who said it but it screams to me of reaching. I have a very strong townread on Sharrant right now and nothing you bring up in your case on him strikes me as scummy at all---how is providing 'easy outs' as you call them an anti-town thing to do? What is inherently scummy about the way he has presented himself? I will agree that his methodology isn't necessarily great but it certainly doesn't look scummy. For example in the first example you gave he provides Rayn with an out because they had already been arguing for fucking ages and shitting up the thread; it's entirely possible that he wants the argument to end as well and just wants to get a clear read, which certainly seems likely as he encourages Rayn to continue the discussion on another subject. I don't see anything wrong with his asking questions of others; everybody in here does that and you're really reaching with his talking about how he has to go eat makes him look insecure. You say that he just asks shallow questions to look involved? He's been plenty involved and has had plenty opportunity as scum to just blend it or let something go and make it seem as though he has contributed. Your case is bad and I urge you to look over something else if YOU want to make it seem like you're contributing. | ||
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On April 23 2013 15:53 Bill Murray wrote: Cheesecake and WavesofShadow (WoS) have both parroted me Cheesecake called Clarity's case tunnely/nitpicky... I literally used the word tunnely WoS comes in and uses the word reaching... and lo and behold... after I said tunnely... I said reaching Scum are piggybacking my wording to get a lynch imo lolwut. Just because I think Clarity's case is bad doesn't mean i think he's scum. And you think I'm scum now? Just when I thought you were starting to make sense. | ||
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Yeah...I was hesitant to call you scum until this....the reason you didn't remember much of them is because they haven't done very much at all, basically. Why not give us something actually contextually relevant? Why go after irrelevant reads right now? Fuck it I'm still hesitant, I'll still give you the benefit of the doubt. If you really think you can find something worthwhile on those 3, by all means, but you're taking the easy way out and it doesn't look good. | ||
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On April 24 2013 04:42 Vivax wrote: Thx BC. Palmar, is yamato still in your "who knows" category? He's next on the list of people who are up for lynch, so it'd be nice if you gave us an opinion with some color. I'm curious, who else is included on your list? | ||
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