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On May 11 2013 07:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 07:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
.................... what the hell is happening Make massive case on you, no one votes. Write one paragraph on TRN, 2 sheep within an hour. That's mafia.
Yes, 2 people sheeping for bad reasons is in fact MAFIA.
i can't believe you guys are willing to push me over say BM or Kuh or anyone else who has done nothing and shows up enough to not get warned. Why push anything when you got the town killing itself?
Especially if you got people who are willing to vote with their scum reads. The hell guys?
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You know what? i think i'm going to change my vote to BM. The man has no thread presence, low activity, fake claimed miller day 1 then backed off it when it blew up in his face, and apparently pays so little attention that he thinks BC, not myself, could be an Umbridge. He is skating on by despite not saying anything that makes sense.
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On May 11 2013 07:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
fuck it why not...
##Unvote: Palmar
##Vote: TheRavensName
Does anyone read this as anything but a survival vote? I'll review his recent stuff when I get home but iirc hopeless was thinking TRN was town.
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Does anyone else realize that I've been goddamn close to the chopping block for going on 4 days now? What hasnt been a survival vote for me?
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~~~ Vote Count ~~~
Hopeless1der: (2) GiygaS, kushm4sta, Palmar, Artanis[Xp]
Palmar: (2) Artanis[Xp], getmoript, WaveofShadow, Hopeless1der
GiygaS: (1) Bill Murray, Hopeless1der, TheRavensName
getmoript: (0) Palmar
kushm4sta: (1) BloodyCobbler
TheRavensName: (3) WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Hopeless1der
Bill Murray: (1) TheRavensName
Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link)
Please keep in mind that with 10 alive it now only takes 6 votes to lynch! If there are any mistakes in the vote count, please inform us.
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As to why I'm "okay" with voting TRN, its the popcorn incident. Vivax did something in a previous game that was strictly against what you "should" be doing as town - attempting to hold open and transparent discourse. I can find reasonable motive for him doing the stuff that i initially called "town" as well. Scum mason wants to see if there are more town masons (after the initial flip) to contend with.
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Seriously, can anyone whos not kush respond to why kush isn't a good shot? His responses to it were bad, as well as his reason for wanting to kill Palmar on balance.
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Kush is terrible but has yet to bus the shit out of his team (yamato has referred to this) and his retarded insistence that I'm scum because I disagreed with his REASONING for calling VE scum off the bat.
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balance argument was for lynching you bc, not palmar. or you or palmar but mostly you.
and ofc its not the only thing I consider just a factor.
Also this trn shit is retarded. TRN really does not look like first time scum.
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On May 11 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:
balance argument was for lynching you bc, not palmar. or you or palmar but mostly you.
and ofc its not the only thing I consider just a factor.
Also this trn shit is retarded. TRN really does not look like first time scum.
I olled scum in the last noobie game I played. WoS saw it. I tunnel as scum.
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Alright, the long awaited TRN post:
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.
Typical newbie entry here among a lot of his other first few posts. Afraid to be aggressive early, step on anyone's toes or claim town or anything. Null I suppose but worth noting because I believe it sets the standard for the rest of his play all game whether scum or town: he is new and will play as such.
On April 22 2013 10:46 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote:Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote:
@TheRavensName
Who would you like to lynch right now?
Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?
Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?
Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games. I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points. I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.) In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active? So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read.  Your sentences are the run-onniest. You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game? Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size.
Answers questions asked of him every time; to me that is a newbie town tell---hell I'm still guilty(?) of it.
On April 22 2013 20:45 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:46 TheRavensName wrote:
Wos, could you please post some reads of your own, like ones on Sharrant and Ray seeing as how they seem to want to go at it and you shot only my read on one of them and ignored the other, who you have mostly been ignoring all game FoS on WoS seeing as how he has time to make comment that do nothing but not answer questions that would actually force him to post a read on people hes yelling at others for posting a flawed read on.
I know his tunneling of me early showed up as town originally, and it sort of still does but I am kind of curious that I was probably his first serious suspect? I'm one of the only people he has actually played with before and probably less intimidating than some of the vets so I could see this as an easy way to look as though he's laying some suspicion down that won't earn him any backlash. Overall still leaning town on this but I'm keeping it in the back of my mind.
On April 22 2013 23:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Rayn your righyt and I want to apologize, that was jarjar and rainbows who said that. I apparently need to pretend that game never happened because I,m still not sure I know lol. Please don't use this crucify me again all day 1 for it even if its more fitting this time.
Again I know from my early play to be apologetic CAN be seen as scummy but I see it as town, having done it many times.
On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:Why you gotta ignore my questions for you?
Doesn't drop his suspicion on me despite many other things such as yamato v Oats going on in the thread. Town.
On April 23 2013 21:53 TheRavensName wrote:
I'm not sure why Clarity's case is being called completly random.... I mean Ray, Sharrant, and I both ended up making cases on each other that were mostly ignored in all the spamfest, so I think it has at least some merrit if nothing else. Not much came of them but it did happen. I would have saved it till night though personally Clarity, I'm not sure your going to convince people that lynching one of the more active spammers is better then someone who at least a few people have a town read on.You really should make a comment on the current lynch targets instead.
Uh oh...soft defense of Clarity doesn't look great here, plus coaching in thread? (lol maybe stretching a bit but I want to see it from both sides)
On April 24 2013 11:59 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would like to see what Sharrant contributes next when he comes back. I think he is town atm.
Do you think Clarity's case was well thought out? I think he only pointed out the facts that speak against Sharrant from his filter and left Sharrant's real contributions out. So your thinking one scum buddied him up the other is going after him? That could be but.. I feel like Clarity's entrance doesn't make sense from a scum point, and attacking him was really easy to do for scum, enough that it should at least be looked at.
Also doesn't look great. I have to be careful here though because I also fucked up with Clarity, so I know it's possible.
On April 25 2013 04:21 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... and Cedric's flavortext lives up to its reputation.
Yeah.....fucking breadcrumbs man. I dunno everything in the game thus far has me saying TRN is town. Even his questioning of Rayn's flip on thinking Sharrant is scummy seems towny.
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On May 11 2013 11:26 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:
balance argument was for lynching you bc, not palmar. or you or palmar but mostly you.
and ofc its not the only thing I consider just a factor.
Also this trn shit is retarded. TRN really does not look like first time scum. I olled scum in the last noobie game I played. WoS saw it. I tunnel as scum.
See, you say this, but you tunneled the shit out of me all of D1 without dropping an actual vote. You probably should be quiet right now and let me work.
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On April 29 2013 15:53 TheRavensName wrote:
So wait, why do you people want to lynch Siao when the cop is claiming innocent on Shiao as opposed the guilty on Syl?
Defense of Shiao now. Again not sure I can blame him since there WERE others who did this.
Also something important worth noting here. During periods of activity he posts often, not often enough for a check with the scum QT to see if he's doing things right. As a first time scum player. The section I'm reading right now would have him bussing both Ace and Shiao (he says Ace is scum) and posting on it like every minute.
No way is TRN scum. Still reading just to be sure because I have a few questions either way.
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This'll be my last post for a bit I promise. (sorry about the quadpost!!)
On May 02 2013 21:11 TheRavensName wrote:
Just post the damn case. If I hype it and find even one thing wrong with it, I'm going to ignore it so your better off just doing it.
The 'popcorn' incident really isn't much of an incident. I can also, as a fairly new player, understand exactly why he refrained from 'giving Artanis popcorn.' It wasn't because he didn't want to see the case, rather the asking for popcorn comes off as patronizing and giving up what little control you have over people's responses to you and your actions in a game where, as a newbie, few people tend to pay attention to you. TRN here just wanted to be a big boy here imo; I can't say I wouldn't have done the same in his shoes. He attempts to draw so much attention to himself here and in other places as well I REALLY don't see in any way how he could be mafia.
haha tube's only vote all game was on TRN as well.
On May 11 2013 08:22 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 07:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 11 2013 07:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
.................... what the hell is happening Make massive case on you, no one votes. Write one paragraph on TRN, 2 sheep within an hour. That's mafia. Yes, 2 people sheeping for bad reasons is in fact MAFIA. i can't believe you guys are willing to push me over say BM or Kuh or anyone else who has done nothing and shows up enough to not get warned. Why push anything when you got the town killing itself? Especially if you got people who are willing to vote with their scum reads. The hell guys?
He's right, imo. Aside from votecount analysis and maybe the last couple pages of filter I don't think this guy's done anything scummy all game. I'd rather lynch Hopeless than TRN---his votecount analysis looks even worse because he provides no reasons for half of his townvotes and his filter isn't nearly as squeaky clean in places.
Questions for TRN:
Your vote analysis doesn't look great. Only person on Palmar when Shiao was clearly scum, and by my count you haven't voted for a single flipped scum all game. What geevs?
On May 07 2013 03:30 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:Death Eaters Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks. You slipping Again WoS? its right there in the role listing. I think a town would have noticed this. Especially sense its been brought up before about why Mafia would bus one about to be mod killed in order to save one of their KP shots.
On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out  I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
Why do you keep trying to call me scum without actually calling me scum all game? I know you've sort of explained it, but assuming your quote earlier about yourself is correct, you've been tunneling me all game but been afraid to come right out and say it.
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On May 10 2013 06:10 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:47 Palmar wrote:
I don't know.
I just read sharrant's last day. He was pretty adamant about not lynching BC so that makes me happier not to lynch bc.
*shrug* He also told me in the QT to lynch you if you pull a guilty check. So... you might not want to be too happy.
I feel we should be inclined to listen to this.
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wait wait TRN isn't first time scum?? and he bussed first time as scum?? lolol so he's aggro scum
ok
##unvote
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On May 11 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
wait wait TRN isn't first time scum?? and he bussed first time as scum?? lolol so he's aggro scum
ok
##unvote
##vote TRN
I did not bus... I died first on my team as scum.
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On May 11 2013 13:01 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
wait wait TRN isn't first time scum?? and he bussed first time as scum?? lolol so he's aggro scum
ok
##unvote
##vote TRN I did not bus... I died first on my team as scum.
I also did not say i bussed. So the fuck?
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Catching up now, guess I'll find out why everyone moved to TRN from Hopeless (this is strange o.O)
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On May 11 2013 11:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 15:53 TheRavensName wrote:
So wait, why do you people want to lynch Siao when the cop is claiming innocent on Shiao as opposed the guilty on Syl? Defense of Shiao now. Again not sure I can blame him since there WERE others who did this. Also something important worth noting here. During periods of activity he posts often, not often enough for a check with the scum QT to see if he's doing things right. As a first time scum player. The section I'm reading right now would have him bussing both Ace and Shiao (he says Ace is scum) and posting on it like every minute. No way is TRN scum. Still reading just to be sure because I have a few questions either way.
Oh yeah derp he's not first time scum I guess, but yeah I'm still not so sure he's experienced enough at the game to just post willy-nilly without consulting.
lol kush I totally don't get you at all
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