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On April 23 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote:
I'll tell you who I want to lynch the most today:
##Vote Oatsmaster
His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression.
Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats. seriously, lets not do this. No meta cases please. We need 13 votes to secure a lynch by deadline - how about we not bring up lynching people with no context in THIS game whatsoever? You aren't going to convince many people with this, and you're just stalling the yamato wagon. Dont do this bullshit.
Ace, I have been listening to the most recent podcast and an interesting note came up regarding use of meta. D1 meta should never be used ever, according to someone on the cast, and it is often used as a crutch by scum to secure mislynches. Does this ring true to you, and if so does this change your perspective on Vivax at all?
I ask because it seems despite your apprehension to using meta this early in the game, you seem to have come around to supporting Vivax's case:
On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote:
To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated.
So I brought up Vivax's filter and I see he rounded out a legitimate case on Oats that leads to you coming to this conclusion.
Two points from Vivax:
- Oats says VE has good reads: he did the same exact thing in boardwalk as town with VE scum, I think there might be a Craigslist Missed Connection ad VE should be looking for. Not sure what I'm not seeing that happened before this and we can't ask Oats anymore but perhaps VE can clarify whether or not they have a history together that would explain Oats thinking he's right/town all the time.
- Oats found Palmar's post scummy, VE said Palmar would be town for that: Oats is just random as fuck. I don't think there's a more effective way to say it, but even the above point fits into this category.
I want to ask you specifically how familiar you are with Oats' playstyle and general thread presence outside of what you've seen in this game.
Admittedly I didn't do anything whatsoever to convince town that Oats was a bad lynch, and these are thoughts in retrospect, but they are leading to this final question:
Would town VE be suspicious of Palmar for that kind of post, from your experience and from your opinion this game, or does his off-the-cuff town read of Palmar come TOO easily? I'm not getting town vibes from VE, his style here seems to be passive enough that he's confident town will tear itself apart as scum or he's simply too busy with other things that unless he is under direct threat of lynch he will be around just enough to keep above the activity level of some of the scummier lurkers. I think he's mafia, but I've been wrong every single time on my initial read of him that I'm leery of pushing it unless it makes enough sense to at least one other person.
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People I want to lynch:
25) VisceraEyes - scum - not paranoid enough to be town, mostly antagonistic with players who are more likely to be lynched and more friendly to players who are considered vets or town
17) Mr. Cheesecake - scum - too much friendly playful interplay with VE, not enough information sharing, being extremely "helpful" and "pro-town" by pointing out his meta
20) ShiaoPi - scum - not seeing anything the speaks town to me, seemingly random decision to kill BM, barely contributing or trying to figure things out
11) GiygaS - scum - fuck it, why not, someone said he was so he has to be, and besides he was more concerned people spelled his name correctly than he was about making a contribution to the thread
People I'm pissed off about:
4) Stutters695 (Dr. H replacement) - absentee still, ~20 hours after saying hello VIG THAT SHIT TOMORROW NIGHT IF HE FAILS AT BEING TOWN
15) Drazak - ????? absentee (fuck knows?)
14) Tube - ????? absentee (standard)
Night ends in like ~4.5 hours or so I guess and I really don't to wait around for just before to post my current scum list so here you go.
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On April 25 2013 01:29 Sharrant wrote:
Is there anyone around who feels like chatting? I don't want to put up any large posts until it's just about daybreak (which I think is in about 2 and a half hours if someone could confirm).
I'm sort of around, yes. Was about to fire up some D3 for unmitigable demon slaughter for a few but if you have something you want to talk out bring it up before I go fullscreen!
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I don't believe every host does it but I'm aware some may do slight tweaking to their RNG. I wouldn't put any weight in that type of discussion since its really outside the boundaries of scum hunting. To answer directly I do think some hosts do but I do not know if BH does or does not and it's not fair to ask him about it during the game so it's all speculation and not really worth talking about unless there is some person who can confirm he has tweaked games in the past.
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Syl is not a project for D2 IMO. Grush did starsenses so he is town.
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On April 25 2013 01:44 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:43 ObviousOne wrote:
Syl is not a project for D2 IMO. Grush did starsenses so he is town. Has he played in a game as mafia since he started doing the starsenses thing?
Oh shit he didn't green it as mentioned in the next post. Fuck. Now I dont know.
Yes he has but IDR if he said it without green in that game. I'll see if I can find the reference from LX in my inbox in a conversation with Marv
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On April 25 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:48 ObviousOne wrote:On April 25 2013 01:44 Sharrant wrote:On April 25 2013 01:43 ObviousOne wrote:
Syl is not a project for D2 IMO. Grush did starsenses so he is town. Has he played in a game as mafia since he started doing the starsenses thing? Oh shit he didn't green it as mentioned in the next post. Fuck. Now I dont know. Yes he has but IDR if he said it without green in that game. I'll see if I can find the reference from LX in my inbox in a conversation with Marv I was half-kidding with that...either way I know better than to bother looking into Grush. If people suspect him let them vig him, otherwise if it comes down to the wire we're fucked with him being one of the last up anyway just like in LX. OO, I like your points on CC and Shiao, (I'm still not sure of VE) but why do you think Giygas is scum? The person who threw suspicion on him was Oats, and despite him being town it was for basically no reason. I will admit his filter has been extremely lacking thus far and I certainly don't have a townread on him. Do you have anything else to back it up?
Too many scum reads to vote them all at once. Mostly I want him to fear for his life enough to do something and maybe it'll change my mind. Filter is sparse on opinion iirc. I'm eating and posting from iPod ill look again if you want but I'd rather him fear me and hustle something up.
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Getting on Syl for activity is like getting on Mocsta for spamming. It is what it is. From what I remember in TTABEN mafia he only really gets to post a couple times a day. Yeah it's not a great post. I'd like to see where it's headed. Let's see what he makes of it when he returns instead of starting an activity argument that he will probably feel compelled to defend himself against therefore continuing the cycle of not having time to give reads.
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On April 25 2013 02:10 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 02:07 ObviousOne wrote:
Getting on Syl for activity is like getting on Mocsta for spamming. It is what it is. From what I remember in TTABEN mafia he only really gets to post a couple times a day. Yeah it's not a great post. I'd like to see where it's headed. Let's see what he makes of it when he returns instead of starting an activity argument that he will probably feel compelled to defend himself against therefore continuing the cycle of not having time to give reads. I don't want him to defend himself, I just want him to clarify why the people he summaried were chosen, and what the end result was on the people that he did not explicitly state were scummy. I'm led to assume they're town, but I'd just like to be sure that's what he's saying. His activity isn't an issue to me, most people jump on me for my lack of activity, so I view it as null in most cases anyways.
Righteous.
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On April 25 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
My fucking blackberry just bricked so now I'm frantically trying to fix it before heading out to a party.
Will be back much later tonight, sorry Sharrant.
I think I'm null on Kush? Can't remember I have to go.
Holy shit afternoon parties? WHERE AT MAYBE YOU ARE NEAR TORONTO?! I want to /in
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Time to look at Vivax again and see where he was sniffing that he got dead. Artanis, you should take the first crack at it!
I present to you the Cloak of Invisibility, use it to snoop around the grounds and let us know when the mischief had been managed. Don't be a muggle.
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On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx.
May have taken a double tap as this sort of reads like a veteran crumb. Not seeing anything that overtly shows mason.
Checking out his latest scum reads.... Clarity, Rayn, ShiaoPi, before that it was the quote above. Of the three, only one is shared by many of the people who have posted in the past ~12 hours: ShiaoPi. And a warning to watch for BC which sort of goes along with what Artanis just posted about not killing vets as part of camouflage.
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So let's kill VE or ShiaoPi today.
If you think one or both are town, tell us why.
##Vote VisceraEyes
Accio votes!
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On April 25 2013 04:52 grush57 wrote:Get gigyasghigasS ##Vote: GiygaSShow nested quote +On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote:
DAAAAAAMNIT I JUST CAUGHT UP.
I COULD OF SAVED THIS DISASTER WITH STARSENSES.
okok guys i got a scum.
Gigyas
He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses.
You can check back when I post again in the thread, its all relatively the same time.
A starsenses not in green is a starsenses you might not mean.
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On April 25 2013 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 04:48 ObviousOne wrote:
So let's kill VE or ShiaoPi today.
If you think one or both are town, tell us why.
##Vote VisceraEyes
Accio votes! Can you tell me why they're scum first? Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 04:49 TheRavensName wrote:
The Vivax shot I don't think was a blue snipe. I found his flip to be a surprise, and from what I can see in his filter (read me trying to search for a bunch of code words that pop in my head, and taking a look through his first dozen posts for any of the usual hidden code tricks.) he doesn't seem to breadcrumb (Or at least none that I can see but then they are probably pretty good breadcrumbs .)
That is not to say shooting him doesn't make sense. He seems to be on everyones super confirmed town lists, its a pretty good idea as town to get those out of the way. Finding out he was a blue is just a bonus. Clarity is of course the victim of the Wine of today. There is also the possibility like I said that Vivax' mason partner was scum. That way, scum would know that he's blue. I just can't wrap my head around a N1 Vivax kill. No offense to him, but there's plenty of scarier players in the game that can scumhunt better than him.
On April 25 2013 00:29 ObviousOne wrote:
People I want to lynch:
25) VisceraEyes - scum - not paranoid enough to be town, mostly antagonistic with players who are more likely to be lynched and more friendly to players who are considered vets or town
17) Mr. Cheesecake - scum - too much friendly playful interplay with VE, not enough information sharing, being extremely "helpful" and "pro-town" by pointing out his meta
20) ShiaoPi - scum - not seeing anything the speaks town to me, seemingly random decision to kill BM, barely contributing or trying to figure things out
11) GiygaS - scum - fuck it, why not, someone said he was so he has to be, and besides he was more concerned people spelled his name correctly than he was about making a contribution to the thread
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Gotta bounce for a couple hours to play chauffeur around town. Artanis, if that's not enough check them out and decide for yourself, maybe you'll say something to convince me they aren't mafia (or lol convince me you are ^ ^).
@VE show me you care enough to prove me wrong. You have appeared to have near zero interest in figuring people out. You are nowhere near as paranoid as I expect you to be as town. I even addressed Ace last night regarding my read of you and that still could get answered, I see he is here in the thread now. Yamato did a good job turning around my scum read on him, I'm confident you have it in you to do the same.
@Ace that is the best conclusion IMO, that he was on the right track with something.
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On April 25 2013 05:05 Ace wrote:
@OO: VE has been coasting but "not paranoid enough to be Town" doesn't mean the guy is Scum. He could easily just not be giving a fuck.
I wish for him to give slightly more fucks, that is all. Back in a bit.
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He has no real reason to change his behavior if he's not en route to a lynch, so I'm going to push for it until he changes my mind.
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K while VE figures out how to schedule some quality time with us I want to hear about ShiaoPi reads. Go.
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