TL Mafia LXI - Page 194

On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote:
The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip.

So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace.

As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation.

Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter.

What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before.

Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan.

Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him.

So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum.

On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.

But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.

It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.

So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.

Lessgo.

On May 01 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright are we lynching into an active or inactive player tomorrow? Personally I think it's going to have to be active (ie the yamato/palmar group v stutters/kush/giygas). I'm not set on yamato so much just yet and I'm not sure what turned thread sentiment around so quickly, so I'm still going to be leaning Palmar who hasn't done dick all in quite a while. Wouldn't be surprised if he gave up given his scumteam. BC the one thing I find odd with one of your points against Palmar is the fact that he tried to get you lynched based on a redcheck of you with no sanity confirmation. Why would a scum Palmar do that? He obviously knows better than to think that alone would get people to listen to him.

TRN how goes the mason QT?