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On May 10 2013 21:46 kushm4sta wrote: palmar stop playing the noob card. not a noob, just so happens that this is one of those games I don't know what's up. I'm not particularly bothered by that fact, I can't be awesome every game, I usually do much better than I have this game. I've had a decent run lately, mostly voting for or making cases against scum early in the game, last game I had a rough time in was nomination, that was another game where I didn't play well at all. It kinda bothers me that people think I'm scum when I don't have all the answers, but you know... whatever I guess I should just be proud that people actually think I could be this convincing as scum. Maybe this is the drawback of being a "big name". People forget that in mafia time is success. I didn't spend enough time this game early on to take advantage of my strengths (find townies/day 1/convincing/arguing), and now my weaknesses (roles/setup/mechanics/late-game/omgus) are shining through. I mean it's kinda sad, for example if geript is somehow town his personal attack on me just demonstrates his lack of tact, and even as scum it's a pretty harsh attack. And I guess I'll get a lot of shit for how "badly" I've played this game, when to be honest barring botching my role, I don't think I was terrible at all. I was just not great. | ||
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On May 10 2013 22:26 kushm4sta wrote: Also do you guys believe in balance? I do. And what that means is even though hosts like you to think scumteams are random, they aren't. A scumteam in a big game like this is never full of newbies. According to balance, either Palmar or BC must be scum. as for insight, I 100% randomize my scumteams. I don't think balance should ever be used. | ||
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On May 10 2013 21:46 Hopeless1der wrote: ...that's easily the scummiest thing you've done all game Palmar, and that's saying something. Activity, especially for me, is not alignment indicative. This is the lazy man's route but the whole time you're spouting off about how no one has a good reason to lynch you. Welll fuck it, you're voting to lynch a townie so that's reason enough. ##Unvote: GiygaS ##Vote: Palmar correction: This is the confused man's route. I was lazy early on, but seeing as I actually like winning I've been putting in effort now. But I read the game again and again, and I can't come up with a solid enough reason for someone to be scum. WoS is the best scum in a long while on TL if he's scum BC is scummy but has the roleblock geript is scummy but has the modconfirm Kush has done some strange things, but also some things like the VE role thing (which seemed well thought out). GiygaS seems scummy but yamato thought he was town... so idk? Artanis seems active and interested enough in the game, I guess Bill Murray, as I pointed out to WoS, is playing a vastly improved scumgame if he's scum TRN is mason /shrug You're the odd man out, and me, I guess. obviously seeing as I'm town, one or even two (if you're town) of those people are getting an unjustified town-read. I'm not sure which, but I think WoS and BM should be off the table. Maybe Artanis too. But then again, I have very little trust in my reads at this point. This is not a scummy vote (as you seem to think). This is a resigned vote, but I'm willing to be convinced, why don't you take that opportunity instead. ELI5 why you're not scum. write out the narrative of your game play like I've done. | ||
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On May 10 2013 23:22 kushm4sta wrote: im pretty sure BH fucks with the teams possible, and it's entirely possible BC is scum. I, again, point to what I conceived as a very different effort level and explanation level in our 1 on 1 session during that night. | ||
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On May 10 2013 23:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Those fucking spiderman pics kill me. Ill be at a computer in a little bit, might have active time today to go at TRN. At the very least Palmar ill show you why my vote's on you. thanks. | ||
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On May 10 2013 23:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Palmar, your reasoning for GiygaS seems to come down to "some other townie said so". Makes me sad bro. When I flip town calling giygas scum, what happens? I don't know. I honestly don't have this strong town read on GiygaS, but a lot of people I have a strong town read on have it. For a long while I was convinced BC/giggles were the remaining scum, but I really don't know. | ||
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On May 11 2013 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I gave you ample warning Palmar, not only here, but in a couple posts after this I believe. You once again ignored my analysis of you, therefore you are my target. Just because you believe people are voting you for no reason doesn't make it true. You had plenty of opportunity to address my questions towards you as well as my case and you chose to ignore them once again. I will be taking that as a scum response, assuming you have no good answers to the questions I have posited. I don't know what questions you're talking about. That's why I'm asking you to link them. I responded to both the post you quoted and your original case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18530889 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18531504 I cannot respond to accusations I don't know what are.. you're making this really hard for me. Just tell me what you want me to respond to. | ||
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On May 11 2013 01:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I meant to comment on Palmar's thoughts that if I were scum I'd be the best on TL in a long time. Flattery will get you everywhere, sir, however I lament the future scumteam that has to put up with me on their side in my first game. EIther that or I just have to remember to act exactly how I did this game? trolololol It's not flattery since I don't think you're scum. to be honest, if I was scum I'd be amazed with myself right now. | ||
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On May 11 2013 01:32 kushm4sta wrote: i will look at giygas later today. i haven't really thought about him at all. check out getmoript too please. I know about the modconfirm thing, but he has some real bad stuff in his filter. | ||
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On May 09 2013 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright some intersting minutiae: This looks strangely like a pattern. Same thing you did to Yamato but in fewer words. Apparently you really REALLY don't like being called scum. I am not sure whether or not this is alignment indicative, however; it would probably depend on whaether or not you've done this in other games and, as you've put it so often this game, cba. Also interesting that you chose to vote for yamato and Oats when they called you scum but not me. I've explained a few times throughout the game that I did not really think Oats would flip scum. I had this idea that maybe it'd be best if I was somewhat useless and would survive through to later days due to the fact that I'm a cop. Oats and Yamato didn't provide any reasoning at all. You provided a post that was actually in many cases correct, the problem was obviously that wherever you were correct you concluded me town, or inconclusive. I've said this repeatedly. I have no issues with being called scum when I can simply explain why I'm not. It's when people call me scum without any reasons that I get mad. On May 09 2013 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Let's move on to Clarity. Now I once called this a point for a town Palmar but in the same post I say it could be a scummy thing to do if you recognized that Clarity's posting was shit and he was likely to be lynched. You ignored that part of it. Then there's this: Seems entirely possible that this is what was done. There are both town and scum points for this therefore I remove it as solely a town point for you. The reason didn't push clarity was that at the time I didn't want to be a big factor in town, I was trying to survive to get some checks. If I push and lynch clarity day 1 I would definitely get shot. Now I still think I did get shot and that sharrant saved me, but that's another story. The second part is I think misquoted, I think that was me saying it. But yeah, does it look to you like I bussed my entire team and took all the credit? The only dead scum I have any kind of credit for is clarity. I actually leaned town on shiaopi until the cop shenanigans and I pushed for lynching sylencia first. So if you think I'm scum taking credit, I'm sure not doing a good job at it. On May 09 2013 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Talking about ShiaoPi and VE: I don't think anyone expects you to be right on everything. Maybe, MAYBE I can accept that you were wrong about VE this far into the game, but any quick look into Shiao at all showed that he was NOT under the radar and looked objectively scummy all game. A pre-flip association based on your scumread of VE? That isn't good play no matter how you look at it. Combine this with the logic of bussing an inactive Clarity over an active Shiao, and your constant defending of Shiao when you defend NONE of your other townreads all game and this makes you look scummy. Very scummy. Well yeah, my metric for VE was simply that inactive = scum. But clearly he was being cool this game and not taking the lead, just like I was, ironically. The reason I thought Shiaopi was town was first off that I didn't think there were two scum-wagons going on. I thought the clarity one was the correct one, and the shiaopi one the shitty townie. I also sheeped reyn's read of shiaopi. The reason I only defended shiaopi is that he's my only town-read that has actually come under heavy fire this game. I don't think I constantly defended him though, I mentioned that I thought he was town like once in response to a reyn analysis post, and then I used the fact that I thought CC and shia were town to justify lynching sylencia. On May 09 2013 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote: [/quote]Regarding your defense of accusations of Clarity bus: You're right about this. I am not convinced however that the scum motivation isn't there. Clarity starts posting for hours before you return and call him scum. I could definitely see you, as the one mainly active (and arguably skilled) member of the scumteam coming back to the QT and going, WTF Clarity, you're dead and we're going to have to bus you for this. Your reasoning for killing him unfortunately very easily fits from both a town and scum perspective. Very easy to point out your scum-mates glaring mistakes. As for your extracting town-cred and blowing it on pushing VE, again that seems to me alignment-null on its own. Yes what are you saying could be true but it's also very easily true that you're trying to avoid completely flip-flopping on your read here to avoid looking scummier. Which to me since all you say is: "Still think VE is a good lynch" and then drop it amounts to the same thing as flip-flopping without a reason. More coming but I want to get some of this out just in case there is some chance in hell of me dying. Well I explained what's true, you can obviously through wifom interpret everything in the way you want, but I think it's pretty clear that this is not a made up reason, rather a figured out one. | ||
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On May 11 2013 03:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Not really when they have me to hide behind. That and the triple cop caper... You realize my role is worse than vanilla town | ||
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now don't be stupid artanis. ##Unvote ##Vote TheRavensName | ||
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On May 11 2013 13:51 GiygaS wrote: My problem with a Palmar lynch is that because I think Hopeless is mafia (which is very high likelihood in my eyes), it basically means that Palmar and BC are town because of that super back and forth voting spree he did in the last day. Plus, there's still the matter of him attacking Clarity early, but not even really trying to take credit for it. With my experience of playing with scum Palmar, what 3 years ago, is that he likes taking credit when he buses his fellow scum (he bused me hard and early on my first ever game, and used that cred to win the game for us).  I actually didn't bus you hard, remember. I tried to deflect the lynch off of you on day 1 to a lurker. It almost got me killed too, but thankfully no one listened to VE and I argued with him for 4 days. It was Hiro Protagonist's bus that I took the credit for to endgame it. Good game that one! First game for me, you, VE, prplhz, mataza, hiro protagonist and a few others. I think stefftastiq maybe? | ||
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On May 12 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Voting analysis is very interesting. I think tonight's NK is going to allow us a red lynch tomorrow. idk, people might tunnel me some more. for example scumript | ||
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On May 13 2013 08:49 getmoript wrote: I don't think now is the time to no lynch. It's 6-2 right now; assuming we no lynch, scum can just put us in the same situation tomorrow by no NK. @Palmar: did you send in a check? yes actually, checked you got guilty | ||
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