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On April 22 2013 00:43 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something. That's a terrible heuristic if it is that simple. Simply posting in the thread, especially in the first ~2ish hours does not a townie make. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:@palmar's read on vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. "Absurd" I agree with. "Strange value" however...could you expand on how his heuristic is useful at discerning OTHER people's alignment, because I don't see it. I would like to know what motivates you to ask Palmar that question. Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that he's giving me a townread? Do you see scum motivation in doing so or do you think I'm scum? Yes I am uncomfortable with him giving you a townread off of something I read as non-indicative. I also want to know why he suggests there is any value in the heuristic you used because it's nonsense imo.
What I regard as important about your question is that you seem to assume that scumPalmar would give me an easy townread, when it wouldn't serve any purpose for him, unless you know of one and want to talk about it.
Your question's whole purpose seems to be attacking Palmar's townread on me, which makes me curious. Cause town's goal is to find reasons for someone being scum, and not for heuristics to get townreads not being correct, that is mafia's goal cause it reduces the pool of people they could get lynched.
So unless you see me or Palmar as scummy for some reason you aren't citing, I see the question you're asking as something that looks like scum agenda, as you criticize someone for issuing a townread on another guy.
Then, why Palmar specifically? CC called everyone in the thread town at a certain point, and I called everyone posting before me town, yet you deem Palmar most interesting for issuing a single townread.
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[QUOTE]On April 22 2013 00:44 kushm4sta wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 21 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 21 2013 23:51 Palmar wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 21 2013 22:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 21 2013 21:51 Palmar wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 21 2013 20:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see the point of giving vivax a townread and asking people to discuss because it doesnt really force scum to make a hard decision thing, its early day 1, so easy to change your mind.
Its not controversial, its NOTHING. And Scum palmar tries to win. This is trying to sidetrack the thread, which is trying to win for scum.
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Oats
1 how serious are you about this scumread? because mine on you isn't that serious but if you are serious about your read on palmar than im gona be serious about my scumread on you.
2 how do you "sidetrack" a thread in which THE GAME JUST STARTED AND NOTHING HAPPENED YET?[/QUOTE]
By doing that.
Which he backed off of.
Palmar, what do you think now?
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Cheese is there any reason you editted out your agreement with that heuristic of Promethelax's when you quoted my post?
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On April 22 2013 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cheese is there any reason you editted out your agreement with that heuristic of Promethelax's when you quoted my post?
I didn't? Even so, it is in my sig, minus the "This ^"
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I mean obviously it's not there so either you're lying or something weird is going on. But whatever, it IS in your sig so it's not like you can just backtrack and say "Well that's not what I meant" later.
WATCHING YOU SIR!
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On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT
Sup guys I'm here and I'm very town. So whazzup?
also something i noticed...
i think this is borderline cheating for talking about the PM but I also think it points heavily to town.
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On April 22 2013 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean obviously it's not there so either you're lying or something weird is going on. But whatever, it IS in your sig so it's not like you can just backtrack and say "Well that's not what I meant" later.
WATCHING YOU SIR!
Obvious watcher crumb. Also, I think I may have just highlighted it when i went to post underneath, and that's why the quotes got all bungled up.
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Yeah I promise that's not a crumb. But if it were I'd be pretty fucking salty for you pointing it out like that Cheese. Are you retarded?
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On April 22 2013 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I promise that's not a crumb. But if it were I'd be pretty fucking salty for you pointing it out like that Cheese. Are you retarded?
It was a joke. Watcher isn't even in the role possibilities, brosef.
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Whatever I'm retarded. I need a drink.
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On April 22 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something. That's a terrible heuristic if it is that simple. Simply posting in the thread, especially in the first ~2ish hours does not a townie make. On April 22 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:@palmar's read on vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. "Absurd" I agree with. "Strange value" however...could you expand on how his heuristic is useful at discerning OTHER people's alignment, because I don't see it. I would like to know what motivates you to ask Palmar that question. Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that he's giving me a townread? Do you see scum motivation in doing so or do you think I'm scum? Yes I am uncomfortable with him giving you a townread off of something I read as non-indicative. I also want to know why he suggests there is any value in the heuristic you used because it's nonsense imo. What I regard as important about your question is that you seem to assume that scumPalmar would give me an easy townread, when it wouldn't serve any purpose for him, unless you know of one and want to talk about it. Your question's whole purpose seems to be attacking Palmar's townread on me, which makes me curious. Cause town's goal is to find reasons for someone being scum, and not for heuristics to get townreads not being correct, that is mafia's goal cause it reduces the pool of people they could get lynched. So unless you see me or Palmar as scummy for some reason you aren't citing, I see the question you're asking as something that looks like scum agenda, as you criticize someone for issuing a townread on another guy. Then, why Palmar specifically? CC called everyone in the thread town at a certain point, and I called everyone posting before me town, yet you deem Palmar most interesting for issuing a single townread.
Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it.
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On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one?
Vivax could you answer this?
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On April 22 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT
Sup guys I'm here and I'm very town. So whazzup? also something i noticed... i think this is borderline cheating for talking about the PM but I also think it points heavily to town.
I don't understand what you're talking about. Assume I am 5 years old. Please explain.
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On April 22 2013 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 00:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something. That's a terrible heuristic if it is that simple. Simply posting in the thread, especially in the first ~2ish hours does not a townie make. On April 22 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:@palmar's read on vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. "Absurd" I agree with. "Strange value" however...could you expand on how his heuristic is useful at discerning OTHER people's alignment, because I don't see it. I would like to know what motivates you to ask Palmar that question. Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that he's giving me a townread? Do you see scum motivation in doing so or do you think I'm scum? Yes I am uncomfortable with him giving you a townread off of something I read as non-indicative. I also want to know why he suggests there is any value in the heuristic you used because it's nonsense imo. What I regard as important about your question is that you seem to assume that scumPalmar would give me an easy townread, when it wouldn't serve any purpose for him, unless you know of one and want to talk about it. Your question's whole purpose seems to be attacking Palmar's townread on me, which makes me curious. Cause town's goal is to find reasons for someone being scum, and not for heuristics to get townreads not being correct, that is mafia's goal cause it reduces the pool of people they could get lynched. So unless you see me or Palmar as scummy for some reason you aren't citing, I see the question you're asking as something that looks like scum agenda, as you criticize someone for issuing a townread on another guy. Then, why Palmar specifically? CC called everyone in the thread town at a certain point, and I called everyone posting before me town, yet you deem Palmar most interesting for issuing a single townread. Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it.
I'll interject here, to try and be all protown and useful.
Is recklessness not a town trait? Personally I know, as scum, I'm pretty careful about what I post in the way of reads. Especially sweeping generalizations like that. It's a towntell because Vivax isn't caring what people think about him, and he the post itself clearly was not premeditated as to seem like he were doing something. I think Palmar went over-the-top with the ultra super mega awesome townread, but hey you've got to generate discussion somewhere. I believe it's a townie thing to do as opposed to a scum thing.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? Vivax could you answer this?
I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet.
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On April 22 2013 01:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 22 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 00:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something. That's a terrible heuristic if it is that simple. Simply posting in the thread, especially in the first ~2ish hours does not a townie make. On April 22 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:@palmar's read on vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. "Absurd" I agree with. "Strange value" however...could you expand on how his heuristic is useful at discerning OTHER people's alignment, because I don't see it. I would like to know what motivates you to ask Palmar that question. Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that he's giving me a townread? Do you see scum motivation in doing so or do you think I'm scum? Yes I am uncomfortable with him giving you a townread off of something I read as non-indicative. I also want to know why he suggests there is any value in the heuristic you used because it's nonsense imo. What I regard as important about your question is that you seem to assume that scumPalmar would give me an easy townread, when it wouldn't serve any purpose for him, unless you know of one and want to talk about it. Your question's whole purpose seems to be attacking Palmar's townread on me, which makes me curious. Cause town's goal is to find reasons for someone being scum, and not for heuristics to get townreads not being correct, that is mafia's goal cause it reduces the pool of people they could get lynched. So unless you see me or Palmar as scummy for some reason you aren't citing, I see the question you're asking as something that looks like scum agenda, as you criticize someone for issuing a townread on another guy. Then, why Palmar specifically? CC called everyone in the thread town at a certain point, and I called everyone posting before me town, yet you deem Palmar most interesting for issuing a single townread. Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it. I'll interject here, to try and be all protown and useful. Is recklessness not a town trait? Personally I know, as scum, I'm pretty careful about what I post in the way of reads. Especially sweeping generalizations like that. It's a towntell because Vivax isn't caring what people think about him, and he the post itself clearly was not premeditated as to seem like he were doing something. I think Palmar went over-the-top with the ultra super mega awesome townread, but hey you've got to generate discussion somewhere. I believe it's a townie thing to do as opposed to a scum thing.
I don't see it as particularly telling of either alignment as it was Vivax's first post. I read it and just kind of shook my head. I can follow not wanting to lynch him based on being reckless, though not with the certainty that Palmar has suggested. I'm specifically interested in the bolded.
On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss.
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On April 22 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? Vivax could you answer this? I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet.
Because the OP clearly states there can be multiple number of same roles, so discussing if there are one or more self-aware millers in stupid in the first place.
Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched.
##Vote: Bill Murray
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On April 22 2013 01:07 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote:On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT
Sup guys I'm here and I'm very town. So whazzup? also something i noticed... i think this is borderline cheating for talking about the PM but I also think it points heavily to town. I don't understand what you're talking about. Assume I am 5 years old. Please explain.
do you know what VE is talking about?
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On April 22 2013 01:17 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:07 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 22 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote:On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT
Sup guys I'm here and I'm very town. So whazzup? also something i noticed... i think this is borderline cheating for talking about the PM but I also think it points heavily to town. I don't understand what you're talking about. Assume I am 5 years old. Please explain. do you know what VE is talking about?
I do not. If I did, I would probably understand what you're going on about.
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On April 22 2013 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:17 kushm4sta wrote:On April 22 2013 01:07 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 22 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote:On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT
Sup guys I'm here and I'm very town. So whazzup? also something i noticed... i think this is borderline cheating for talking about the PM but I also think it points heavily to town. I don't understand what you're talking about. Assume I am 5 years old. Please explain. do you know what VE is talking about? I do not. If I did, I would probably understand what you're going on about.
All role PMs were just the name. I.E. Brave Wizard. None of us know wtf that is unless we read the OP. And such is what VE was talking about -- when he got his PM, he was like FUCK, gotta read dat OP so I know what I am.
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