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On April 30 2013 06:27 Ace wrote:


what did I do anti-town Day 1? can you point this stuff out?

!wos: what slip? im not scum I cant slip

On April 30 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace, you compared the D1 and D2 wagons though in the middle of Day 2.
Was Shiao on the Clarity wagon at any point during the day?

On April 30 2013 06:27 Ace wrote:


what did I do anti-town Day 1? can you point this stuff out?

!wos: what slip? im not scum I cant slip

On April 25 2013 14:16 Ace wrote:
Ok so check this out from my notes.

We know Oats was a Town mislynch. The person who started the case was Vivax who also flipped Town. We know this wasn't a Scum started lynch but with a hammer of 13, I doubt it's possible that 0 Scum were on Oats' wagon. This is the list order:

Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi

I'm going to remove myself and Vivax obviously. Ignore rayne for now because of his activity levels, and clearly yourself.


Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi

Almost this entire remaining list is full of low activity players. I highly doubt out of all remaining 11 names here not 1 is Scum and I think this is where we should start paying attention. A townie is getting lynched and just too many people that lurk are on here and not all of them can be Town. It also just so happens that VE and ShiaoPi are on this list too. With vigis waking up tonight I'm all for them clearing out the lurkers on this voting list, while we potentially lynch from here. Of course one suspect (Clarity) isn't here but we can discuss that too.

Thoughts?

On April 27 2013 06:51 Ace wrote:


I care and it is a pretty big deal. Just putting the pieces together:

1.)Not reading the thread which terrible Scum and terrible Town both do
2.) this is also in response to rayn: Shaio's reads are pure sheeping. He clearly wants to get rid of VE even though him and Palmar have done the same thing. Possible Scum motive too. There is a problem tho.
3.) If 2 is true - then why not push for VE to die even more? there is no big sentiment for VE dying so why would he attach himself to this?If he's Scum why not take the easier path and get rid of clarity? Doing this also saves his own ass. I can see a townie not reading the thread and not aware of the danger making this mistake, but a Scum player who has teammates? i doubt it unless the Scum team is absurdly dumb.
4.) The little tube comment is a small point in his favor. could be WIFOM but we also gave you credit for that too.
5.) This is the biggest issue here:

Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi

from the other day.

ShiaoPi (7): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Visceraeyes, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der

from today.

Removing you, myself,rayne and getmoript from previous discussion about the Oats list look at that overlap. A confirmed Town death list and Six names pop up that coincide with both lists at some point.

Look at clarity's list:
Clarity_nl (4): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS, grush

The only names that hit both lists are myself, rayne, and gigyas. I came off, and rayne is Town in my eyes right now. gigyas is the only non-unique name to both lists.

What's the coincidence that this happens? Clairty's voting list looks far more legit relative to ShaioPi's wagon when both are matched vs the Oats' list. ShiaoPi is most likely Town at this point.

On April 30 2013 06:29 GiygaS wrote:

I've said this before, you only seemed to be interested in town discussion to post memes, and there was that contradiction I brought up a while ago that everyone seems to disagree with me on (the one where you told everyone to take their time and then 30 minutes later got everyone to get their votes on oats to hammer him, right after he actually started cooperating).

On April 30 2013 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
A LOT OF SHIT HAS HAPPENED ARTANIS AND INSTEAD OF COMMENT ON IT AND DRAW CONCLUSIONS YOU'RE DISCUSSING ASTHETIC VARIATIONS OF A PLAYERS FUCKING NAME BRO

On April 30 2013 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote:

You're talking about this post I assume?
I'm talking about THIS one.

On April 30 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
You spend the entire rest of that night derailing the Shiao lynch and use this vote count analysis as evidence.
If Shiao turns out to be scum that's an awful lot of effort you put into derailing a correct train of thought, and also trying to implicate people who are on both vote trains at the same time.

On April 30 2013 06:38 Ace wrote:


I derailed it because I thought he had a better chance of being town than Clarity- who did flip Scum. We also acnknowledged that yes BOTH could be scum. The vote count analysis IS evidence: If shiao flips scum it holds. I dont see what your point here is. Especially with clarity flipping Scum Vigilante - why would I save Shiao over him and drop Scum KP by 2 that night? whatever you're getting at doesnt hold up

On April 30 2013 06:25 WaveofShadow wrote:

Not to mention we already provided extremely valid reasons why 'sacrificing' Clarity over Shiao made sense at the time; Clarity was about to modkilled anyway. Easier to eliminate a useless scumplayer on your team and gain cred than to eliminate someone who mght actually play the game.

On April 30 2013 06:42 Ace wrote:
In trouble for what? lynching 1 scum and not the other? are you seriously this slow?

quickly: How did clarity and ShiaoPi get brought up?

On April 30 2013 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think I'ma check Ace tonight instead. What do you think guys?

On April 27 2013 06:51 Ace wrote:


I care and it is a pretty big deal. Just putting the pieces together:

1.)Not reading the thread which terrible Scum and terrible Town both do
2.) this is also in response to rayn: Shaio's reads are pure sheeping. He clearly wants to get rid of VE even though him and Palmar have done the same thing. Possible Scum motive too. There is a problem tho.
3.) If 2 is true - then why not push for VE to die even more? there is no big sentiment for VE dying so why would he attach himself to this?If he's Scum why not take the easier path and get rid of clarity? Doing this also saves his own ass. I can see a townie not reading the thread and not aware of the danger making this mistake, but a Scum player who has teammates? i doubt it unless the Scum team is absurdly dumb.
4.) The little tube comment is a small point in his favor. could be WIFOM but we also gave you credit for that too.
5.) This is the biggest issue here:

Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi

from the other day.

ShiaoPi (7): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Visceraeyes, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der

from today.

Removing you, myself,rayne and getmoript from previous discussion about the Oats list look at that overlap. A confirmed Town death list and Six names pop up that coincide with both lists at some point.

Look at clarity's list:
Clarity_nl (4): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS, grush

The only names that hit both lists are myself, rayne, and gigyas. I came off, and rayne is Town in my eyes right now. gigyas is the only non-unique name to both lists.

What's the coincidence that this happens? Clairty's voting list looks far more legit relative to ShaioPi's wagon when both are matched vs the Oats' list. ShiaoPi is most likely Town at this point.

On April 27 2013 07:23 Ace wrote:


yea I am trying to derail the wagon. A wagon I helped start and now realize may be flawed.

Respond to the scenarios I made instead of blanket statements. You guys want to lynch Shiao so like I did - assume he is Scum. Look at the list of events that happened and see how a Scum Shiao fits in. I'm not only using voting wagons as I outlined the Palmar sheeping too. From both angels, added in with Sharrant's case on Clarity ShiaoPi is a weaker lynch. He's just clueless townie.

On April 30 2013 06:42 Ace wrote:
In trouble for what? lynching 1 scum and not the other? are you seriously this slow?

quickly: How did clarity and ShiaoPi get brought up?

On April 30 2013 06:48 Sharrant wrote:


I think that's a terrible idea. I'm 100% sure Ace is town. Check to confirm the other claims.