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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 22:20 GMT
#5272
On May 09 2013 07:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Sutters695 the brave wizard has been modkilled for inactivity

please leave all discussions of modkills for the postgame

Welp, there goes one potential mislynch.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 22:23 GMT
#5274
On May 09 2013 07:20 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:18 Palmar wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:11 Palmar wrote:
I misunderstood your post to mean you were telling me that my scumhunting was pointless because I was a suspect.

I'm helping everyone by establishing my innocence. I hate being called scum with no reasoning and it massively (see: yamato) distracts my scumhunting.

If you think what you're doing now will help establish your innocence better than scumhunting I think you're a lot worse at this game then you think.


I have admitted it a million times, it basically disrupts me extremely hard when people call me scum for no reason. This is not the first game I say this.

Take your vote off me, tell me I'm a unique little flower (and town), work with me, criticize my list from the point of view that I'm town. That's how you can get me scumhunting.

You called my plan extremely dumb so no can do, I'm going to tunnel you the rest of the game now because my feelings are hurt


Ok assume for a second I actually AM paranoid cop.

Is there then no option in your plan other than to autolynch a townie because that's the brilliance of your plan?

It was never meant to be a 100% town or scum thing, I just think it's more likely you would fakeclaim paranoid cop than fakeclaim insane cop should you roll scum, because the latter is riskier unless you're willing to bus teammates.
Say if you're Town, there's a 50% chance you're insane and 50% you're paranoid. Say you claim to be paranoid 80% of the time as scum. This means the likeliness of you being scum when you claim paranoid increases significantly. It doesn't prove anything, just increases the probability.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 22:28 GMT
#5280
On May 09 2013 07:26 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually I shouldn't put Jigglypuff in the same category as BM. I know BM isn't scum.


Why do you know BM isn't scum?

I agree, I just want to know your thought process.

Why do you want to know the thought process of a strong town read on a strong town read that you agree with?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 22:33 GMT
#5287
On May 09 2013 07:29 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 07:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:26 Palmar wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually I shouldn't put Jigglypuff in the same category as BM. I know BM isn't scum.


Why do you know BM isn't scum?

I agree, I just want to know your thought process.

Why do you want to know the thought process of a strong town read on a strong town read that you agree with?


Because why not? Maybe WoS knows something I don't know and it can help me understand the game. Maybe BM made a good post I've missed (I've basically disregarded BM since this post of mine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18481428)

Because you've already got a strong town read on him, as does pretty much the entire thread so all it'd do is clutter up the thread.
On May 09 2013 07:30 Palmar wrote:
More importantly, Yamato and WoS both seem to share an unexplained town read on GiygaS. Can someone enlighten me?

Dunno why they did, but this was my read on him.
On May 05 2013 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
GiygaS was on Shiao and Clarity pretty early too. It makes me wonder if we're putting too much weight on potential bussing. They could've pulled a Boardwalk.

I checked an older game of GiygaS, L was the first one I found. He was town and got shot N1 in a game with 42 players. Really good D1 with lots of long yet concise posts analyzing a myriad of players. (link)

This game, he's done it a few times as well, like here and here. Concise posts, and he shows how his thought process evolves. At first, he doesn't suspect Ace (putting him as null), then rereads and changes his read. It's something he did in his town game as well. I see a lot of similarities, and his play seems to suggest a pro-town agenda. In general, too many similarities for me to consider him scum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 22:35 GMT
#5291
On May 09 2013 07:34 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys. Catching up now.

I don't think you need to bother m8
On May 09 2013 07:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Sutters695 the brave wizard has been modkilled for inactivity

please leave all discussions of modkills for the postgame

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 23:31 GMT
#5304
In case anyone wants to do any vote count analysis..
+ Show Spoiler [D1 votes] +
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow, yamato77, VisceraEyes, Palmar, getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, Shiaopi
Hopeless1der:
Vivax (0)
Bill Murray:
raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes (0)
Getmoript:
Mr. Cheesecake, kushm4sta,WaveofShadow (0)
TheRavensName:
Sharrant (0)
Raynpelikoneet:
Sharrant, Sylencia, Hopeless1der, ObviousOne(2)
Ace:
Yamato, Bill Murray (0)
Sharrant:
raynpelikoneet Clarity_nl (1)
Yamato:
kushm4sta, BloodyCobbler, Ace, Grush57, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, ObviousOne, getmoript, Bill Murray, TheRavensName,Oatsmaster (4)
VisceraEyes:
Palmar, (1)
GiygaS:
Oatsmaster (0)
Bloodyc0bbler: Yamato (1)

+ Show Spoiler [D2 votes] +
[QUOTE]On April 27 2013 21:07 Ange777 wrote:
VisceraEyes (1):
Palmar, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, ObviousOne, getmoript, Bill Murray, ShiaoPi
Kushm4sta: (0) Bill Murray
GiygaS (0):
grush57, getmoript
Palmar (0):
Visceraeyes, Kushm4sta
ShiaoPi (6): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, VisceraEyes, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1nder, BloodyCobbler, Sylencia
Clarity_nl (12): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne, GiygaS, grush57, raynpelikoneet, getmoript, BloodyCobbler, Palmar, Mr. Cheesecake, Kushm4sta
Stutters695 (0): Tube
Ace (0): GiygaS
yamato77 (0): BloodyCobbler
Sharrant (0): Hopeless1nder
WaveofShadow (0): Bill Murray

+ Show Spoiler [D3 votes] +

Yamato77 (1): BC
Sylencia (11): Mr.CC, Palmar, Sharrant, Yamato77, GiygaS, Ace, BM, VE, OO, Getmoript, TRN
ShiaoPi (1): WoS

+ Show Spoiler [D4 votes] +
ShiaoPi (10): Ace, VisceraEyes, getmoript, Palmar, Bill Murray, BloodyC0bbler, Hopeless1der, Sharrant, GiygaS, ShiaoPi
stutters(1): ShiaoPi
Palmar(1): TheRavensName

+ Show Spoiler [D5 votes] +
Yamato77: (1) kushm4sta, BloodyCobbler, getmoript
Hopeless1der: (3) Yamato77, Artanis[Xp], WaveofShadow, kushm4sta, Ace, Sharrant, BloodyCobbler, GiygaS, Stutters695, ObviousOne, Sharrant
Palmar: (0) Ace, TheRavensName, Hopeless1der
BloodyCobbler: (1) Artanis[Xp], Hopeless1der, yamato77
Ace: (9) Hopeless1der, Artanis[Xp], ObviousOne, TheRavensName, Palmar, Stutters695,WaveofShadow, getmoript, Sharrant

+ Show Spoiler [D6 votes] +
Hopeless1der: (2) BloddyC0bbler, Sharrant, Artanis[Xp], GiygaS
Palmar: (2) Bill Murray, yamato77, WaveofShadow , getmoript
BloodyC0bbler: (0) Hopeless1der, getmoript, Palmar, yamato77, kushm4sta
Yamato: (7) Sharrant, Palmar, BloddyC0bbler, Hopeless1der, TheRavensName, Sharrant, kushm4sta, yamato77
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 23:35 GMT
#5306
On May 09 2013 08:34 kushm4sta wrote:
you are good at it artanis why not you do it

Because I just made it into a nice and orderly post and that took me half an hour which is half an hour longer than it took you to write this post so no u
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 23:41 GMT
#5308
On May 09 2013 08:36 kushm4sta wrote:
also I don't get why palmar thinks BC is town.. anyone want to post me to the post where that is explained? I'm guessing it has something to do with game mechanics.

[image loading]
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 23:53 GMT
#5310
On May 09 2013 08:53 kushm4sta wrote:
wtf do you expect me to do artanis...

To read the thread.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 08 2013 23:57 GMT
#5313
On May 09 2013 08:56 kushm4sta wrote:
read all 266 pages of the thread lol? can you save me 10 hours and just say in like 2 sentences why bc is town?

Given it's a recent development and we've discussed it at length since night ended, I don't think I'm asking for too much here.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 09 2013 11:26 GMT
#5332
I'm good with lynching Hopeless too.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 09 2013 13:37 GMT
#5338
it's 8-2, 2 more mislynches and it's MYLO.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 09 2013 17:53 GMT
#5363
WoS, I'm considering BC confirmed town with the Sharrant flip so I'd say that's very unlikely too. I already had a townread on GiggleS, your analysis compounds that.
I wish we heard more from others though. BM, BC, TRN and geript especially.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 09 2013 18:02 GMT
#5365
I admire your dedication WoS. I'm personally having a case of cba and just wish to make a list of 4 players to carpet bomb into, since we'll have 4 lynches to lynch 2 scum players.
Current list of players I would carpet bomb
Palmar
Hopeless1der
Getmoript
TRN

I kinda wanna put Kush in there too but I'm not sure who to swap out for it. Maybe TRN.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 09 2013 21:59 GMT
#5416
On May 10 2013 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I'm eventually have to side with Artanis despite all my reading and just carpet-bomb the fuck out of that list.

This makes me happy I decided not to put in the effort :z
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 10 2013 14:33 GMT
#5464
I think Scalmar would've made a bullshit case up about a townie by now if he were scum. He seems legitimately confused and I don't think this is the route he'd take if he were scum because it doesn't align with trying to stay alive. Looks like Talmar.
Off to Hopeless we go.
##Unvote
##Vote: Hopeless1der
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 10 2013 14:34 GMT
#5466
On May 10 2013 23:30 kushm4sta wrote:
Also artanis slot is off the table IMO for how drazak acted before he asked for a replacement. I think scum drazak would have just tried to afk it up instead of ask for a replacement.

With all I've posted that's why I'm town?
[image loading]
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 10 2013 15:22 GMT
#5480
On May 11 2013 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Artanis, if Hopeless goes down today and flips town, what is our next course of action?
It seems people will want to look into Gigs....

Currently I'd like to flip Geript after.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 10 2013 19:10 GMT
#5502
On May 11 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
P.S. kill me or giggles please.

Can we kill me instead so I don't have to try to figure the game out anymore?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 10 2013 19:15 GMT
#5503
On May 11 2013 03:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
Also do you guys believe in balance? I do. And what that means is even though hosts like you to think scumteams are random, they aren't. A scumteam in a big game like this is never full of newbies.
According to balance, either Palmar or BC must be scum.


This is not true whatsoever.

Hosts all balance differently and perceive player skill completely differently than other people do.

Keep in mind Bill Murray is as experienced if not more so than myself and has been playing for just as long pretty well. He is more experienced likely than Palmar. Yet is completely ignored and overall has done nothing this game.

I have no idea why you are trying to lynch Palmar off setup speculation. If we did shit based off that I would be lynching BM and TRN right now.

Outside of speculation, do you think BM is scum?
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