TL Mafia LXI - Page 139

On April 29 2013 09:22 Ace wrote:
?? I already named them

On April 29 2013 09:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


VE is normally (in my experiences that i remember) much less involved at all as scum. He appears primarily to defend himself and make "phantom" activity. Given the fact he has debated/argued lynch choices and was one of the major people actually attempting to force discussion of lynches during d2 I just can't see him as mafia. However his play currently is similar to his town play and is slightly similar to his play in storm as 3p.

On April 29 2013 09:27 Palmar wrote:
Look at this bloodycobbler actively hunting third parties everywhere!

Also BC, did you ever explain why it would be a better idea to vig me than to lynch me?

On April 29 2013 09:36 TheRavensName wrote:

Personally I think that would be a waste of a shot since you have night protection.

On April 29 2013 09:48 Palmar wrote:


I did not ask you, I wanted BC's explanation for his statement. It's one of his slips this game. He called out for a player that he knew could be active, had the support of several important townies, to be vigged.

I wonder if he was simply afraid that he would never be able to mislynch me?

On April 22 2013 09:34 Sylencia wrote:
As per usual, at work at the moment, I only skim read but I hope I can properly catch up once I get home tonight.



You think that if I was hiding something I would make it so blatantly obvious that I was nervous? This isn't a real time conversation where I have 10 seconds to come up with a response. Anyone can take time to craft a response that makes them seem like whatever they want to, so trying to read into someone's emotions based on their response (unless it's in the middle of some heated argument) isn't going to get you anywhere.

So to answer your questions, no I'm not, and at the time there was less than 1 page of discussion, of course there wasn't any idea as to what was going on yet. Won't be diving into reading people deeply until I get home tonight. If you think that's scummy you can look at my past games and look at every other game I've played in recent times and compare posting times.

(In any case I'm only on page 25 or so and I don't think I'll get much further while here)

On April 21 2013 18:04 Sylencia wrote:


Seems like a bad idea to me.

PS: Anyone who tries to analyse my first post in the future is dumb.

On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote:
Ok, I'm back, and going back to the start to see what I can gather:

Notes:
- I don't care about meta reads very much. It's easy to manipulate, especially when people outright say 'based on X's meta, he is acting like his town self'. Unless it's obvious, I generally disregard meta arguments.

Comments / Observations:
- Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious.
Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation.

- I was actually suspicious of gemoript due to the super weak town reads / don't kill these guys yet post until the hydra cut occurred, and valid points have been raised about that action, but I don't really want to talk about that any further.



Based on one statement I make which isn't indicative of anything whatsoever makes you think I'm scummy? It's fine if you're accusing me if you have a case but casual accusations with no followups don't sit well with me since it ends up being bait for people to jump on.

So other than the lack of activity which I have shown thus far, are there any other points you'd like to make?



Trying. Not easy though, 20 pages of catchup doesn't make it easy to digest the content.



From the pages regarding TRN and Rayn, both have been hard at work defending each other, though I don't really understand the point being raised about why Rayn isn't scum.

Was he scum when he tunneled or was he town? Rayn has shown tendencies in other games to shotgun vote and accuse others, and it's seen here and from your games he can tunnel too. His behaviour is erratic and so unless there's points regarding the content being townie, I don't think anything can be said about the way he plays.

You dislike Sharrant, so does that mean you suspect him or are you just putting it out there? Does Rayn's activity put him in the town books for you, because while it can be used as a basis for a case when none others appear, it's pretty alignment indicitive. If it's not part of your reasoning behind it, why is rayn already town in your eyes?

(Okay, seems like this is asked later on, but I'm leaving it here as per OO's request)



I'm somewhat doing the same, so I'm wondering how you can see someone as town without looking at the whole picture. I haven't really got any town reads due to this, but the fact you're able to either means you're doing something wrong, or you know something we don't.

- Following from this there's a clear TRN-Sharrant-Rayn argument breaking out, with Sharrant backtracking on past accusations and rayn aggressively defending while accusing Sharrant as well.

Rayn: Pushing for all millers to die (and voting on it) on day 1 honestly doesn't sound like a great plan. It wastes days where there's actually stuff to analyse, it creates a lazy town atmosphere which only helps scum, and with that comes a lot less conversation. You said you thought that BM was scum but what makes him so much more scummy at the time than someone else with low number of posts and providing just words and not content (eg. me)?

In any case:




This looks so dumb honestly.

Ok, I'm done for now, ##vote rayn at the moment because of the weirdest irregularities in posts.

On April 23 2013 00:03 Sylencia wrote:


Town: 10-6
Scum: 4-1
3p: 1-1

Great scum win % = scum???

(relax, i'm joking)

On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote:
Oats is the vote for me. Case from Vivax + aftermath between yamato vs Oats has convinced me more to taking down Oats. The thing that was holding me back most was that my primary scum suspect (rayn) was on Oats fairly early on. However:



Given that Oats never actually provided anything for us in terms of reads afterwards and posted crap about being green and telling people to push others. If he has nothing to say either:
a) He's playing as the bad townie
b) He's withholding that info from us to stop us from gaining more than we need from the lynch.

Either case is bad for town, so that's why I'm willing to go down on Oats.

##Unvote
##Vote Oats

On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote:
CC -
Kush Town
Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness
Unvoted due to incident.
Leaned towards oats based on effort.
Wants to lynch ShiaoPi
Sharrent Town read
Note: Mentions being town billions of times

WaveOfShadow:
VE Town Read
Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging
Unvoted due to incident.
Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting.
Sharrant town read
Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant
Reinforced Sharrant town read

grush:
bandwagons yamato
suspects gigyas due to bandwagon.
a lot of off topic comments

Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning:



Yet his bandwagon:



When asked about whether he would vote Yamato.

Tube:
???

Drazak:
Has posted, but has never returned since.

Giygas:
Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts.
Hopeless not suspected as scum
Sharrant town read
Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime.

Sylencia:
Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided
Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM
Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats.

VisceraEyes:
Early on uneasy about Palmar.
Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?)
Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts
voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below)



Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic.

Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation.
Says he can get behind an Oats lynch.
Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus)
switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above)

Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE.


Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?)

Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx

On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote:
Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.

##Vote ShiaoPi

On April 29 2013 10:02 Palmar wrote:
ok sorry guys I wanted to make this more interesting but here goes.

am cop
checked BC
BC guilty

go go wagon.

On April 29 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


n1 check???

On April 25 2013 04:30 Palmar wrote:
I got roleblocked last night.

On April 29 2013 05:47 TheRavensName wrote:
He also mentioned that "oh oats was always gonna flip town. I didn't really care much for reasons best left unexplained. " Even a scum would at least kind of care right?