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On May 01 2013 00:03 iamperfection wrote:~~~ Vote Count ~~~
ShiaoPi (9): Ace, VisceraEyes, getmoript, Palmar, Bill Murray, BloodyC0bbler, Hopeless1der, Sharrant, GiygaS
stutters(1): ShiaoPi
Palmar(1): TheRavensName
Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link)
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This makes me kinda want to lynch Stutters more than before. On the day ShiaoPi was going to die he voted Stutters. ShiaoPi was completely unafraid to assosciate with his teammates, this strikes me as an attempt at distancing them post flip.
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On May 06 2013 20:19 Palmar wrote:
who has TRN been masoning these last few days.
This dapper gentleman right here.
I'll read the exchange between you and BC shortly.
@BM
What game are you thinking of where we were scum together?
@Yamato
Palmar can live for a day or two, I could lynch Hopeless today.
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@Palmar
I liked the exchange between you and BC over the night; I think the reason you're finding his contributions suspicious is because of a difference in play styles.
I think BC just doesn't like to write things out, he said as much earlier in the game. You're both under the pressure of a lynch, so you go out of your way to back everything up with quotes and try to make it look good. He seems to be relying on his cred as a veteran, and the fact that when he flips people will know he's not lying about what he's written.
I want both of you alive for at least a cycle. I'm happy to lynch into the little list you guys came up with, it matches up for the most part with my thoughts with a few key differences, but they're fairly subjective I think.
There's a few divergent scenarios, but I think the most basic formula for our chain of lynches is such:
Dammit. I made beautiful tree diagrams but the TL site doesn't support that kind of formatting. I'll write it out as direct chains then.
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(town)->Palmar->BC
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(scum)->(unsure, this chain I'm least sure if I'd lynch another person before Palmar/BC)
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(scum)->gg
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(town)->unsure(town)->Palmar->BC
Just a basic idea of what I think we should do, I'm open for discussion on it, and it would obviously be reevaluated after the nks.
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On May 06 2013 23:47 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 23:39 Sharrant wrote:
@Palmar
I liked the exchange between you and BC over the night; I think the reason you're finding his contributions suspicious is because of a difference in play styles.
I think BC just doesn't like to write things out, he said as much earlier in the game. You're both under the pressure of a lynch, so you go out of your way to back everything up with quotes and try to make it look good. He seems to be relying on his cred as a veteran, and the fact that when he flips people will know he's not lying about what he's written.
I want both of you alive for at least a cycle. I'm happy to lynch into the little list you guys came up with, it matches up for the most part with my thoughts with a few key differences, but they're fairly subjective I think.
There's a few divergent scenarios, but I think the most basic formula for our chain of lynches is such:
Dammit. I made beautiful tree diagrams but the TL site doesn't support that kind of formatting. I'll write it out as direct chains then.
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(town)->Palmar->BC
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(scum)->(unsure, this chain I'm least sure if I'd lynch another person before Palmar/BC)
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(scum)->gg
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(town)->unsure(town)->Palmar->BC
Just a basic idea of what I think we should do, I'm open for discussion on it, and it would obviously be reevaluated after the nks. Quick question about this chain. Why is Hopeless first if your vote is on Yamato?
I was in a rush to get ready.
On May 07 2013 00:03 WaveofShadow wrote:I remember thinking right before I went to bed last night that I had the game solved but now I can't remember why. Fuck. I do know one thing: there are at least a couple people here sitting on vital information right now and while I partially know what's going on, I don't know if I know the whole story, so I won't say much other than personally I feel it's probably best if the people sitting on info reveal said info---it will really make the game a whole lot easier. Not to say we can't win without it, I just don't personally see the reason it's being held back. Now with that being said I'll reveal what I know for sure. TRN masoned me the night before. We are not masoned currently. I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum, though I am unsure as to what he thinks of me and am not quite sure why he attempted to grill me before. Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 20:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I want to postpone all BC/Palmar related activities until tomorrow. We know one of them is town for neigh certain. That means there's at least one scummer whose name isn't BC/Palmar. I like BM's suggestion of giving you two a bit of breathing room. Stop defending yourselves, find scum.
WoS
What does confuse me is why WoS ragequit for a few days when people started believing him. When he was suspected, he posted a decent bit to defend himself. Fast forward to people no longer discussing him and he goes afk. Brought up again and now he's back, mostly to defend himself. Says the Yamato case on one of BC/Palmar being confirmed town due to JK thing makes sense but he doesn't actually give his own stance.
He could be a frustrated townie, but frustrated scum makes just as much sense. People no loner discussing me lol. I was extremely active up until 2 days ago and people stopped discussing me LONG before that if you'd read. I was frustrated for reasons I'm not necessarily comfortable divulging, however there are things that have led me to believe that Palmar is scum. I am curious as to what leaving im alive actually accomplishes, and why Sharrant no longer appears to want to lynch him.
I'm not sure where you get that I no longer want to lynch him. You'll notice that every scenario I posted that doesn't end in us killing scum in the next 2 lynches then goes on to lynching him, and if we kill scum in one of those two lynches, it only moves lynching Palmar back by one lynch.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that instead of just not reading the thread, you meant that it appears I no longer want to lynch him today. And yes, that is correct. If he's not scum, then scum now know that there's a very real possibility that he is an insane detective and will most likely be forced to shoot him. If he is scum, we've still got another person who is much less obvious to lynch than him and I'd rather go after them. If he's still around after two night cycles, and we haven't lynched a scum, then it's time to lynch Palmar.
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Yamato, your giant town list post combined with Hopeless' play in the last few pages, have absolutely convinced me that I want you to flip today. Half of your reads make no sense. GiygaS try harding? He's got a seven page filter. That's almost a page of filter per game day. Stutters can't be scum because you expect him to be lurky and disinterested as town, but if he were scum he'd obviously be caught because... what, he wouldn't be lurky and disinterested as mafia?
##Unvote
##Vote Yamato
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I should note:
Yamato, that puts you at L-2
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On May 07 2013 12:25 yamato77 wrote:
One more vote and I lose this game for town.
You guys wanna lose?
Let's do this.
When you're going to act like this, you're only doing one of two things:
A) Proving you're scum
B) Convincing the rest of town you need to be lynched because even if you're a townie you'll sabotage the game.
You couldn't make me happier with this lynch if you tried.
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On May 07 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 12:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 07 2013 12:30 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 12:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 07 2013 12:28 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, I'm tired of fighting stupid
I resolve myself of responsibility for the outcome of this game. aside from defend yourself all game you really havent done much. Factor in game sabotage if you are "town" and its pretty clear you have to go LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I handed you scum on a silver platter and you voted to lynch me. Go reread the game. which one? i recall ace giving us clarity, ve + CC giving us shiaopi, mods giving us tube, and virtually everyone thinking ace was likely 3p. Who did you give us? Hopeless and Palmar Their combined filter is smaller than mine, but I'm being lynched over the both of them. Fantastic.
If you gave us Palmar, if you analyzed him so hard, how could you have never realized that his claim was wrong? Not once did you even hint that, if he is a cop, his sanity was not confirmed as what he said it was.
I've been sitting on that since the moment he checked OO, I was sure it was how it would go down, and I haven't even been particularly interested in Palmar aside from that point.
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Actually, I'd like to take back that last message. I feel it was quite rude.
Yamato, if either Hopeless or Palmar flips town, who do you think is next in line in scumminess?
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On May 07 2013 12:40 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 12:38 Sharrant wrote:
Actually, I'd like to take back that last message. I feel it was quite rude.
Yamato, if either Hopeless or Palmar flips town, who do you think is next in line in scumminess? Maybe Artanis, maybe TRN. Honestly, all of those reads I'm apparently getting lynched over are real. Most of you seem town. I'm pretty convinced Palmar and Hopeless are mafia.
I had similar thoughts about TRN potentially being mafia mason prior to being masoned with him. I have him as a very strong town read at this point.
Artanis is someone I'm not particularly comfortable with, I can understand you on this one.
What are your thoughts on GiygaS, and Stutters? I know you wrote little blurbs about them, I don't need much, just something a little more specific. Can you point me to a post or two you don't think scum stutters would have been able to make, or wouldn't thought of making.
Can you point out a few things in GiygaS' filter that cemented the read as try hard townie for you?
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On May 07 2013 12:50 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 12:37 Sharrant wrote:On May 07 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 12:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 07 2013 12:30 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 12:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 07 2013 12:28 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, I'm tired of fighting stupid
I resolve myself of responsibility for the outcome of this game. aside from defend yourself all game you really havent done much. Factor in game sabotage if you are "town" and its pretty clear you have to go LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I handed you scum on a silver platter and you voted to lynch me. Go reread the game. which one? i recall ace giving us clarity, ve + CC giving us shiaopi, mods giving us tube, and virtually everyone thinking ace was likely 3p. Who did you give us? Hopeless and Palmar Their combined filter is smaller than mine, but I'm being lynched over the both of them. Fantastic. If you gave us Palmar, if you analyzed him so hard, how could you have never realized that his claim was wrong? Not once did you even hint that, if he is a cop, his sanity was not confirmed as what he said it was. I've been sitting on that since the moment he checked OO, I was sure it was how it would go down, and I haven't even been particularly interested in Palmar aside from that point. If palmar is town why didn't he realize his sanity wasn't confirmed?
Don't you worry, that hasn't been forgotten. I want him alive for a bit longer, and then either he'll be proven town, or we'll all realize he needs to be lynched, or I'll post all the other stuff and get him lynched.
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BC, I think the point Geript was trying to make (I was tempted to say it to, but I noticed he said it first) is that right now you seem pretty antagonistic towardsYamato.I don't think anyone is capable of pushing the lynch off him today, he could claim jailer and the lynch wouldn't budge, I guarantee.
I'm glad to see such zeal from you on this case, but he's going to die. This should be the time to ask him questions that you think you would help lead you to the remaining mafia (if he flips scum) or might shed light on other players (town). Now I severely doubt the last situation holds any weight for you, but the first certainly should.
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On May 08 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
The two remaining scum are TRN and Palmar
I have used deductive reasoning to come to this conclusion
GiygaS, kush, and I were all voting shiao when the VE wagon was deterred... and I was attacking Kush for bandwagonning...
Tube voted Stutters, trying to get him lynched, that same day, so I'm not looking to lynch Stutters
Artanis has been very helpful, so I want to keep him around
BC + Yamato argument felt like town on town
Sharrant I'm a little on the fence on, but since I just played with him, and we were both scum... pretty sure he isn't. weak read.
TRN + Palmar likely scumpair imo
I'm super tired so I'm only making this one post right now. Doubtful TRN is scum.
And seriously, this is the second time you've brought this up which is confusing. I have never played scum on Team Liquid. We played Boardwalk, you were scum, I was town.
Palmar, you're checking WoS tonight, unless you can convince me that you have someone 100% pegged as scum, even then WoS is probably a better check.
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