Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power

On April 04 2013 19:58 Restraining Order wrote:
The thing is denying mafia roles doesn't work too well anyways, and on top of that, if you try to coordinate it, it works even less.

The rolecop-rolevig combo alone has 2-3 possibilities on either end of the deal. (rolecop, capitalist, extractor & assassin, rolevig)
Sure, you might be a hero and get exactly the one they try to pick, but it's a crapshoot, and mafia inherently has the pickorder advantage due to possible coordination.

Rather, think about it like this: certain roles are not desireable for mafia to pick. Those roles, you don't pick early in the draft order. This includes all investigative roles (apart from rolecop), dreamflower, things like that. Not picking those in, say, the upper half, will mean more roles for town overall.
But having VTs is also very informative, so you really don't need to mind either way.

On April 05 2013 03:37 Restraining Order wrote:

You must have forgotten, but you also think I'm mafia.

On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote:
This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.

Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11

On April 06 2013 03:39 Restraining Order wrote:

And I would lynch all of those people.


And I would lynch all of those people.

On April 06 2013 08:59 Restraining Order wrote:

The ones I noted in my last post before, plus Vivax and sno.

Those are people I am interested in lynching.

On April 05 2013 11:15 Restraining Order wrote:

These 5 players picked [8] as their first numbers.
This means, at least 4 of those 5 are town.


Not really, sharrant picked 11 as first number too, and is above the 8's.
The host likely didn't receive his PM.

On April 06 2013 09:47 Restraining Order wrote:

lol

On April 06 2013 09:59 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, I'm just going to quote myself on this matter.

Wouldn't be a problem if you'd actually think I'm mafia

On April 06 2013 10:15 Restraining Order wrote:

More and more people turned out to have picked 8, and more and more of them turned out to look mafia-ish.
Suggesting that it's very possible mafia deliberatly picked people into 8. So i decided to scrap that idea and just not think about it anymore.

On April 06 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote:
RO, the proper response to that is not lol. At the very least, I'd be interested in hearing why you want to lynch a number of people who you also seem to think are town based on picks.

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VE, dawn hits. A genie appears in front of you and says you can have three wishes IF you answer the following questions.

Which vet that doesn't care about pre-D1 is most like his townself?
If RO gets teleported out of the game in the middle of D1, who would you lynch instead?
Which ocean is best ocean?

How do you answer the genie's questions?

On April 07 2013 03:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
And dont give
'the game hasnt started'
It started when ALIGNMENTS were given out. NOT ROLES.

Geddit? Now its your turn.

On April 07 2013 04:33 gonzaw wrote:


No one comments on it because it's bad VE, and you put too much weight on it and nothing else.



This is irrelevant for his alignment



If you can't figure out the town motivation for saying that, you are scum or bad VE.
It's obvious what the town motivation for saying that is, and it's baffling how you both can't see it and use it to justify someone being scum.

Hint: If RO is town, then he's seeing someone that accused him of being scum defending him. This would be contradictory and thus he'd try to get some answers out of Oats. Can't get any easier than this
Hint: It doesn't make Oats scum either, since you can always think someone is scum yet think other people are attacking him for the wrong reasons
Hint: It doesn't make RO scum for not "heavily pushing" it either, because of the previously mentioned reason (it doesn't make Oats insta-scum)

The thing about RO "wanting" to kill people he previously said would basically be town because of drafting picks is valid; but it's enough to pressure him not enough to make a "case" (specially considering your previous 2 "bad" points).

Ultimately, the ONLY thing you can say against RO is that he wants to kill some people he previously said are likely town. It wouldn't be that bad if you kept pushing it (using RO's consequent reactions and responses as well) and didn't masquerade it with previously bad points.

You are free to keep pushing RO, but right now you made a single case-post and did nothing else basically regarding RO, not even commenting on his responses, which in my mind weren't even that "good", which I would think would make you...you know.....pressure him some more, considering it's the crux of your argument against him.


Speaking of which, yes, RO's comment on doing a 180 on those people and subsequent reaction is weirdly funny (by that I mean his reaction to VE's case and his seemingly "fuck you all" attitude when pressured about that previous point, along the fact he didn't really justify his change of heart before making it, but rather after he was called out, and had little evidence to show he actually did have that change of heart before and was genuine).
I'm interested in what he's going to do this day.

I'm also interested in what rayn thinks of this whole RO issue. He hasn't really commented on the VE vs RO issue at all, even when VE does point out a valid point against RO, considering rayn was tunneling the hell out of RO earlier.
rayn has turned kind of trollish and useless after the draft phase ended and that's bothering the hell out of me trying to get a read off him :/

On April 07 2013 04:40 geript wrote:
VE I know you picked out of fear. Why?

On April 07 2013 23:35 Vivax wrote:
Anyone else finding S & B scummy?

On April 07 2013 10:06 deconduo wrote:
Yeah, after reading his filter again

## Vote strongandbig

On April 08 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
VE what do you think of artanis and Palmar's insistance that you arent town?

On April 08 2013 02:33 geript wrote:
VE, what is your current read on me and why?

On April 19 2013 08:05 Palmar wrote:


good joke. I laughed.