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Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
April 08 2013 03:57 GMT
#1561
On April 08 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 12:49 Sharrant wrote:
On April 08 2013 12:46 Mocsta wrote:
On April 08 2013 12:45 Sharrant wrote:
I'm pretty much 100% sure that that was an assassin kill. Gonzaw pretty much gave away his role earlier when he was figuring that he could withhold his shot today and have any possibility of surviving until the next day and being able to shoot. This makes Sinani look worse for fishing for his role now that it is fairly likely that scum have an assassin.

It is possible that he was day vigi'd, but that is much much less likely in my opinion.

Day-Vig requires something typed into thread.

The thing is.. so many roles have day vig

america
russia
dayvig
jack

i dunno. i find it unlikely the assassin was willing to risk getting the role wrong.. (cos that will make the power void)
i might look through gonzaw filter for crumb.

because right now.. i suspect NRA is much higher

the question then becomes.. who did he try to kill... artanis or VE


Are you 100% sure that Day vigs have to claim their shot in the thread?

Do dayvigs have to claim in the thread?

Please be around the thread for the next couple minutes, Mocsta, it's very important to me.

Im here hunny, and changed my mind.

Its assassin.

Imm sure gonzaw woulda told us who he was hitting anyways (if NRA)


That's twice you've forgotten he actually would have had to write it into the thread, even though you mentioned it just a few minutes ago on the opposite side of the argument.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 08 2013 03:57 GMT
#1562
So yea, Mocsta is (kinda) right.

America, Russia, and Day-Vig are ruled out.

I don't see Assassin gambling his power on gonzaw unless he found a lock tight crumb. And, if there is a solid crumb, that (maybe?) opens up the possibility of a BloodC0bbler too.

NRA would make some sense, but gonzaw was claiming that he wasn't shooting even as the shot post came up. And who knows how long ago the shot was actually sent in and it took BC to get here and post the death.

Meh.

Looking back through filters a bit.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 04:01 GMT
#1563
On April 08 2013 12:57 Sharrant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote:
On April 08 2013 12:49 Sharrant wrote:
On April 08 2013 12:46 Mocsta wrote:
On April 08 2013 12:45 Sharrant wrote:
I'm pretty much 100% sure that that was an assassin kill. Gonzaw pretty much gave away his role earlier when he was figuring that he could withhold his shot today and have any possibility of surviving until the next day and being able to shoot. This makes Sinani look worse for fishing for his role now that it is fairly likely that scum have an assassin.

It is possible that he was day vigi'd, but that is much much less likely in my opinion.

Day-Vig requires something typed into thread.

The thing is.. so many roles have day vig

america
russia
dayvig
jack

i dunno. i find it unlikely the assassin was willing to risk getting the role wrong.. (cos that will make the power void)
i might look through gonzaw filter for crumb.

because right now.. i suspect NRA is much higher

the question then becomes.. who did he try to kill... artanis or VE


Are you 100% sure that Day vigs have to claim their shot in the thread?

Do dayvigs have to claim in the thread?

Please be around the thread for the next couple minutes, Mocsta, it's very important to me.

Im here hunny, and changed my mind.

Its assassin.

Imm sure gonzaw woulda told us who he was hitting anyways (if NRA)


That's twice you've forgotten he actually would have had to write it into the thread, even though you mentioned it just a few minutes ago on the opposite side of the argument.
??

I was looking through gonzaw filter when you and keirathi had an exchange.

I made the post above; before reading what you wrote about "gonzaw having to type: ##kill"

see, im a townie without all the information.. so i have to piece things together hence why it was fallacious initially; yet i came to the right conclusion in the end - just a different logic train.

What i find odd is that you knew with 100% confidence that the death was by assassin.

Yet you werent even sure how a day-vig works... NOW that is odd.

Want to explain?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 08 2013 04:03 GMT
#1564
Oh hmm. I guess you are right Sharrant. It specifically says that Jack skills are bound by the same rules as its regular counterparts.

I honestly hadn't thought about it, and assumed that Jack sent in day kills silently, since his night vig kills would be silent.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 04:03 GMT
#1565
On April 08 2013 12:57 Keirathi wrote:
So yea, Mocsta is (kinda) right.

America, Russia, and Day-Vig are ruled out.

I don't see Assassin gambling his power on gonzaw unless he found a lock tight crumb. And, if there is a solid crumb, that (maybe?) opens up the possibility of a BloodC0bbler too.

NRA would make some sense, but gonzaw was claiming that he wasn't shooting even as the shot post came up. And who knows how long ago the shot was actually sent in and it took BC to get here and post the death.

Meh.

Looking back through filters a bit.

I think BC is ruled out from the (quick) filter dive i did.

===============

Now anways, lets get this show back on track.

Gonzaw was a good scum hit; the timing is what is interesting.

Are they trying to force us onto VE, because it happened when we were talking about him?

hmmm.. for now, i want to maintain the legacy Gonzaw started.

We keep the lynch on Artanis[Xp]
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
April 08 2013 04:03 GMT
#1566
On April 08 2013 12:54 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 12:45 Sharrant wrote:
I'm pretty much 100% sure that that was an assassin kill. Gonzaw pretty much gave away his role earlier when he was figuring that he could withhold his shot today and have any possibility of surviving until the next day and being able to shoot. This makes Sinani look worse for fishing for his role now that it is fairly likely that scum have an assassin.

It is possible that he was day vigi'd, but that is much much less likely in my opinion.

Yeah im not getting that.

Closest I could find was:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&currentpage=76#1518

Thing is, he describes the KP as one-shot.
Which reduces role to Day-Vig/Jack.

He was also commenting freely about town vigging at night; as if he knew town had night kp (instead of assume).

I think you're right; scum if role hunting, could have surmised with enough confidence gonzaw was jack.

So assassin in play; i suggest no more roleclaims.

As we dont know if BC is in play too.

I suspect only Geript is a potential kill then, as he has rolecliamed.


This is the post where I knew with 100% certainty that he was the Jack. Scum should've known right then too. He's confident he can save his shot for tomorrow even having already said he could day vig. If I were in his position I'd be 100% sure that I don't live to see tomorrow. He's 100% confident that the town has at least 1 night vig shot. Jack is the only KP role that would let him live the night, and let him day vig. It was the only thing that fit how he was playing.

On April 08 2013 11:12 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 11:06 yamato77 wrote:
Gonzaw, what do you think about killing sinani?


Hmm, not that convinced right now.

If he's town that'd be better than a misslynch though....
...but if that's what should happen, it'd be better to let him live until D2 at least...and maybe shoot him there

I won't shoot anybody that hasn't had a chance to "redeem" themselves yet. Sno being so damn awful could be tied to IRL stuff. I mean, he hasn't even voted yet, he may even get replaced/modkill.
BC was seeking a replacement in the "Player Replacement" thread, and so far it seems Snoman is the one fitting that bill.
He damn sure looks scummy though, but I'd wait until he shows up to do any shit and analyze what he does, or for his replacement to get here and analyze what he does (knowing that his predecessor was scummy as fuck)

We can just vig him at night, either he if he just comes here to avoid modkill and does shit all, or his replacement if he gets replaced.

I can save my day KP to D2, and there shoot guys that don't do shit. Seems the ability is more useful that way.

I hate scummy guys replacing though
Something like that game can happen, where Ver was scum, got replaced, and his replacement acted in a way that made him survive until end-game or something. That sucks.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 04:04 GMT
#1567
On April 08 2013 13:03 Keirathi wrote:
Oh hmm. I guess you are right Sharrant. It specifically says that Jack skills are bound by the same rules as its regular counterparts.

I honestly hadn't thought about it, and assumed that Jack sent in day kills silently, since his night vig kills would be silent.

Keirathi,

pls comment on my reversal of sharrant, where he knew that the assassin was the logical choice.

Yet didnt even know how day-vig worked etc.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
April 08 2013 04:10 GMT
#1568
On April 08 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 13:03 Keirathi wrote:
Oh hmm. I guess you are right Sharrant. It specifically says that Jack skills are bound by the same rules as its regular counterparts.

I honestly hadn't thought about it, and assumed that Jack sent in day kills silently, since his night vig kills would be silent.

Keirathi,

pls comment on my reversal of sharrant, where he knew that the assassin was the logical choice.

Yet didnt even know how day-vig worked etc.


I feel like you're trying to put suspicion on me, there's a reason I asked in the thread if day vig had to claim his shot. I was unaware of that restriction so thought dayvig could have been in play, but you said it couldn't have been because of the claim. So when Keirathi showed you were indeed correct, it showed that there was only one possible way he could have died, and you had enough information to know that too but you came to the wrong conclusion. Perhaps it was an earnest oversight on your part, but you should have known immediately.

The fact you had referenced it so recently but failed to take it into consideration is suspicious. That you're trying to turn this around on me like that makes it doubly so to me.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 08 2013 04:11 GMT
#1569
On April 08 2013 12:46 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 12:45 Sharrant wrote:
I'm pretty much 100% sure that that was an assassin kill. Gonzaw pretty much gave away his role earlier when he was figuring that he could withhold his shot today and have any possibility of surviving until the next day and being able to shoot. This makes Sinani look worse for fishing for his role now that it is fairly likely that scum have an assassin.

It is possible that he was day vigi'd, but that is much much less likely in my opinion.

Day-Vig requires something typed into thread.

The thing is.. so many roles have day vig

america
russia
dayvig
jack

i dunno. i find it unlikely the assassin was willing to risk getting the role wrong.. (cos that will make the power void)
i might look through gonzaw filter for crumb.

because right now.. i suspect NRA is much higher

the question then becomes.. who did he try to kill... artanis or VE

I endorse this post
+1

I thought he was dayvig, or bluffing. I didn't even think he was JOAT. That was surprising as fuck. Is NRA member like a Granny? I need to check the role list.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 04:11 GMT
#1570
On April 08 2013 13:03 Sharrant wrote:
This is the post where I knew with 100% certainty that he was the Jack. Scum should've known right then too. He's confident he can save his shot for tomorrow even having already said he could day vig. If I were in his position I'd be 100% sure that I don't live to see tomorrow. He's 100% confident that the town has at least 1 night vig shot. Jack is the only KP role that would let him live the night, and let him day vig. It was the only thing that fit how he was playing.

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 11:12 gonzaw wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 08 2013 11:06 yamato77 wrote:
Gonzaw, what do you think about killing sinani?


Hmm, not that convinced right now.

If he's town that'd be better than a misslynch though....
...but if that's what should happen, it'd be better to let him live until D2 at least...and maybe shoot him there

I won't shoot anybody that hasn't had a chance to "redeem" themselves yet. Sno being so damn awful could be tied to IRL stuff. I mean, he hasn't even voted yet, he may even get replaced/modkill.
BC was seeking a replacement in the "Player Replacement" thread, and so far it seems Snoman is the one fitting that bill.
He damn sure looks scummy though, but I'd wait until he shows up to do any shit and analyze what he does, or for his replacement to get here and analyze what he does (knowing that his predecessor was scummy as fuck)

We can just vig him at night, either he if he just comes here to avoid modkill and does shit all, or his replacement if he gets replaced.

I can save my day KP to D2, and there shoot guys that don't do shit. Seems the ability is more useful that way.

I hate scummy guys replacing though
Something like that game can happen, where Ver was scum, got replaced, and his replacement acted in a way that made him survive until end-game or something. That sucks.


Yeah, well the confidence about surviving night is an inference rather than direct read.
Its more the certainty of town night KP that clarifies him as jack > day-vig.

Either way; i know not all town read and look for the same things.. But, that you could recall this post so quickly post-hoc gonzaw death; makes me curious.

At the same time, i dont think scum would be trying to get involved in identifying the kill as assassin in play so quickly.

Both of us made fallacious comments regarding the matter though; you on the day-vig requirements ; me with the jack jay-vig requirements.

All in all: I think this exchange firms up my read on you.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 08 2013 04:13 GMT
#1571
On April 08 2013 12:31 gonzaw wrote:
Well...technically I could just shoot Artanis and we could lynch VE.
It is an option. I doubt I'll do it (specially since I may not be here until the deadline).

I'd like some explanations from VE, or alternatively....him showing up at all ya know?

OK This makes it unlikely he hit NRA member, so it couldnt be Dayvig, or a Nuke. They have in-thread actions.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 08 2013 04:13 GMT
#1572
It doesn't matter what killed him, it matters why.

Gonzaw was killed because he was obviously town and people were forming around him. What did he advocate? Killing artanis. Let's murder him.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 04:13 GMT
#1573
On April 08 2013 13:10 Sharrant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
On April 08 2013 13:03 Keirathi wrote:
Oh hmm. I guess you are right Sharrant. It specifically says that Jack skills are bound by the same rules as its regular counterparts.

I honestly hadn't thought about it, and assumed that Jack sent in day kills silently, since his night vig kills would be silent.

Keirathi,

pls comment on my reversal of sharrant, where he knew that the assassin was the logical choice.

Yet didnt even know how day-vig worked etc.


I feel like you're trying to put suspicion on me, there's a reason I asked in the thread if day vig had to claim his shot. I was unaware of that restriction so thought dayvig could have been in play, but you said it couldn't have been because of the claim. So when Keirathi showed you were indeed correct, it showed that there was only one possible way he could have died, and you had enough information to know that too but you came to the wrong conclusion. Perhaps it was an earnest oversight on your part, but you should have known immediately.

The fact you had referenced it so recently but failed to take it into consideration is suspicious. That you're trying to turn this around on me like that makes it doubly so to me.

You're an idiot.

I was the one trying to openly solve what happened, by laying suggestions and looking for feedback.

Why do I have to be right about something I dont have full context for.

We have logically deduced it had to be assassin. That is not from me, or you; but teamwork in sharing ideas.

You comment on me; when im looking for something specific.. just because your fixation was on a different piece of logic does not make me scum.

If you think i was trying to manipulate ppl into thinking it was only NRA, go ahead then and call me scum.
But i think i was pretty fucking transparent about the whole exchange.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 08 2013 04:13 GMT
#1574
On April 08 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 13:03 Keirathi wrote:
Oh hmm. I guess you are right Sharrant. It specifically says that Jack skills are bound by the same rules as its regular counterparts.

I honestly hadn't thought about it, and assumed that Jack sent in day kills silently, since his night vig kills would be silent.

Keirathi,

pls comment on my reversal of sharrant, where he knew that the assassin was the logical choice.

Yet didnt even know how day-vig worked etc.

I admit it's weird.

On April 08 2013 13:10 Sharrant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
On April 08 2013 13:03 Keirathi wrote:
Oh hmm. I guess you are right Sharrant. It specifically says that Jack skills are bound by the same rules as its regular counterparts.

I honestly hadn't thought about it, and assumed that Jack sent in day kills silently, since his night vig kills would be silent.

Keirathi,

pls comment on my reversal of sharrant, where he knew that the assassin was the logical choice.

Yet didnt even know how day-vig worked etc.


I feel like you're trying to put suspicion on me, there's a reason I asked in the thread if day vig had to claim his shot. I was unaware of that restriction so thought dayvig could have been in play, but you said it couldn't have been because of the claim. So when Keirathi showed you were indeed correct, it showed that there was only one possible way he could have died, and you had enough information to know that too but you came to the wrong conclusion. Perhaps it was an earnest oversight on your part, but you should have known immediately.

The fact you had referenced it so recently but failed to take it into consideration is suspicious. That you're trying to turn this around on me like that makes it doubly so to me.

Then why are you not pressuring me? I also said that NRA was a possibility, and I'm the one that told you that day-vig had to type it in thread.

But that's mostly irrelevant. The bigger question is why were you thinking so hard about what gonzaw's role was in the post you quoted?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 08 2013 04:14 GMT
#1575
Mocsta, I haven't fully caught up. What is the case on Artanis? You look really town right now, so I don't mind sheeping you.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 08 2013 04:14 GMT
#1576
On April 08 2013 13:13 yamato77 wrote:
It doesn't matter what killed him, it matters why.

Gonzaw was killed because he was obviously town and people were forming around him. What did he advocate? Killing artanis. Let's murder him.

OK
##vote artanis
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 04:18 GMT
#1577
On April 08 2013 13:13 yamato77 wrote:
It doesn't matter what killed him, it matters why.

Gonzaw was killed because he was obviously town and people were forming around him. What did he advocate? Killing artanis. Let's murder him.
Sentiment is fine.. but i need to extend the thoughts as per:
On April 08 2013 13:03 Mocsta wrote:
Now anways, lets get this show back on track.

Gonzaw was a good scum hit; the timing is what is interesting.

Are they trying to force us onto VE, because it happened when we were talking about him?

hmmm.. for now, i want to maintain the legacy Gonzaw started.

We keep the lynch on Artanis[Xp]
The posts identifying Gonzaw as "jack" were from ~8hrs ago.

i.e. He could have been killed anytime between 8hrs ago, and just before the cycle finished.
If they wanted to kill him due to the artanis case.. well... its odd they waited so long. and I choose not to use timezone as a reason for delay.

The thread topic at the time was: Geript/VE NRA item. Which was potentially juicy enough to get a wagon off Artanis

Im saying this all this, because if Artanis (who we are lynching) flips red.. im inclined to think VE is town.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 04:19 GMT
#1578
On April 08 2013 13:14 Bill Murray wrote:
Mocsta, I haven't fully caught up. What is the case on Artanis? You look really town right now, so I don't mind sheeping you.

Check artanis filter.

He replies to the case directly in snippets.. so you can get a feel for the back/forth.

U can also check austinmcc.. 50% of his filter is devoted to standing up for Artanis.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 04:21 GMT
#1579
On April 08 2013 13:13 Keirathi wrote:
But that's mostly irrelevant. The bigger question is why were you thinking so hard about what gonzaw's role was in the post you quoted?

I agree, and want an answer from Sharrant as well.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 04:22 GMT
#1580
On April 08 2013 13:14 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 13:13 yamato77 wrote:
It doesn't matter what killed him, it matters why.

Gonzaw was killed because he was obviously town and people were forming around him. What did he advocate? Killing artanis. Let's murder him.

OK
##vote artanis

Dude, whether you are behind the thread or not.

I have heard many tales of the legend of "Bill Murray"

I thought you were meant to have a pair of balls?

So far, your play has left me pretty limp - and being young, dumb and full of cum... I dont like that.
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