Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power - Page 6

On April 05 2013 15:48 Mocsta wrote:

Oats,

I just find stuff like this really disruptive Oats.

Like fair enough, the points you raise have validity; but the iron fist manner in which you are dropping those points; in my opinion acts to cease discussion.

Your essentially coming across as: my way, or the highway.

As I said before, some of your points this game have been very valid; I just think you need to work more on trying to develop others ideas to a common ground, rather than just.. shit on it.

On April 05 2013 16:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Man, my plan was to pick justice vig if somebody ruined my 1,1 pick.

Now that I can't, I have to pick something. Somehow town wants to avoid people picking the awesome roles because they are afraid it could be scum picking them? TBH that seems a bit off. Also the whole "Deny scum" picks seem sketchy since High-drafing scum can "Deny" them to town by picking them. Unless you guys want a complete announcement of who is picking what beforehand (which would actually be pretty sweet IMO but I don't think we have time to arrange it. The reason it would be sweet is because Scum are already less likely to get vanilla'd, so it might help to get town as juiced as possible).

PS I haven't watched any Boardwalk Empire so it's kinda hard for me to figure out what power might be more powerful in my hands. I'll re-read the list with that in mind.

On April 05 2013 17:59 Palmar wrote:
ok I have a plan.

details tomorrow.

On April 05 2013 19:56 Vivax wrote:
Hi

8 1 here

this needs to undergo psychological experimentation.

On April 05 2013 20:07 Vivax wrote:
I might take a look at the numbers and try to riddle which people were "too lucky to be town", and correlate it to their attitudes towards each other.

@ mocsta


Didn't agree with all of rayn's list, sharrant for example. But yamato, you and geript were good calls imo. And I don't think scum would play like rayn did, it's that simple.

On April 05 2013 20:25 Vivax wrote:
Cool, Oats apparently didn't read my posts but keeps saying I'm scum.

On April 05 2013 20:43 Vivax wrote:


Do you know why I said you don't read my posts?
You seem to have a decent chance at being scum for disruptive play. I'd just not be used to a ballsy scum Oats.

On April 05 2013 21:00 Palmar wrote:


it's a hilarious plan.

On April 05 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:


The game hasn't started, I'm hardly reading the thread much.

On April 05 2013 22:15 Mocsta wrote:
Vivax, the original question was from OO, not me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&currentpage=34#662

Further, I am inclined to agree with Oats. The response above does not resolve the outstanding issue.
In fact, it makes me more curious.

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(1)
OO was concerned about why Rayn was your #1
i.e. he noticed a valid contradiction in what each of you deemed as strong town

A response to this is still outstanding.

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(2)My concern was that your top 5 did not match the top5 of rayn.
However, your response above indicates that at specific point in time - you agreed with 3 of the rayn reads.

The stories are not matching up.

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(3)I'm still curious about this one. Interesting as well that you chose to respond to this post, but not this point.

On April 05 2013 22:53 Mocsta wrote:

Cos thats been your piece de resistance for contributions thus far.

On April 05 2013 22:56 austinmcc wrote:
I was [8][4]

Having people take KP roles and then lynching them if they ever hit town is sillypants. I have not seen any multi-shot vigis hit only scum. And vigis probably aren't even 50/50 across the board hitting scum with the first shot. So instead, what we get is someone who THINKS that they're going to do better than the average vigi, probably still hits town, and then we spend a lynch killing a townie who thought he could be an outlier. Even if you choose vigi and shoot scum then town, congrats. We are now supposed to lynch you and than means we lost 2 townies for one scum player AND had to use a lynch on you. Don't like town KP roles using it, because scum NEEDS extra KP flying around to win. Don't like planning for what happens if town KP roles use it, because they shouldn't be, except in corner cases where we have investigations we trust or something of that sort.

On April 05 2013 23:18 austinmcc wrote:
I am suggesting that town don't use KP. There will be corner cases - DT checks, possibly to keep any heavy lurkers we have out of the lynch discussion later on by shooting them a couple days in, etc.

But in general, I don't think town should be firing off KP because, imo, the more quick deaths the better for scum this game. A longer game in which people have roles, we have checks, we have confirmations of role uses and whatnot, is going to favor town. It simply gets more and more difficult to hide that you chose a mafia-favored role or used your role in a mafia-ish manner. So the longer the game goes, better for town, therefore the less KP thrown around, better for town.

If someone really wants to hero it up with KP, there's the magical compulsive scum-only vigi in the game. There's the assassin. I think it's BETTER for town to take the normal KP roles and not use them, because of the above paragraph, but if the only thing you're going to do this game is grab a KP role, flop your e-peen on the table, and shoot scum, then use one of those two roles. That way you don't hit townies and we don't need to discuss policy lynching people who shoot townies.

On April 05 2013 23:36 austinmcc wrote:
I rarely see ACTUAL policy lynches go through, though. Nor has everyone agreed to this. It seems much more like what would happen is townies die and then we have a whole side conversation every day about who shot the townie and who needs to get policy lynched and blah blah blah.

Given past results, I don't think a policy would stop behavior, and I don't think we'd follow through on the policy. We've already got a game with 5 scum and a couple players known for trolling, I don't see the upside of adding policy lynch targets to that mix balancing out the upside of people just not shooting.

On April 05 2013 23:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oats I can't actually believe your argument is just "policy hurr durr." NOBODY listens to "policy" bullshit, the only people policy lynches ever kill are idiotic townies.

Have you ever seen LAL lynch a scum? Have you ever seen the current plan you're spouting work? Hint hint, the vast majority of the time they just kills idiots trying to be scum. Now before you say "but meapak scum can just make that argument to get away" I'll say this, scum are typically too scared to try it outside of a few fantastic players, none of whom are in this game.

I'm on my phone otherwise I'd find an appropriate pict