On April 06 2013 10:03 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: Oops, looks like I miscounted, make that 10.
EBWOP: Oops, looks like I miscounted, make that 10.
No, it's 9.
I have no idea where VE got the Caller thing from, and it's sad you just take his word.
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On April 06 2013 10:03 ObviousOne wrote: EBWOP: Oops, looks like I miscounted, make that 10. No, it's 9. I have no idea where VE got the Caller thing from, and it's sad you just take his word. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote: There's hardly anything convenient about telling you and your suggestion for my role pick to get bent my friend. You can accuse me of convenience if I fail to push your lynch tomorrow...good luck with that ever happening. No I suspect that is exactly what you are planning to do. And you don't want to do the assassin thing cause then you'd have to find somebody else to mislynch, and that would be too much effort. That's the thing, you don't want to kill me. You want to lynch me. Why waste your precious mafia KP, when you can waste town's lynch instead? Thread sentiment suggests you'd find enough people. A lazy-mafia plan, but not exactly a bad one, I guess. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: RO, the proper response to that is not lol. At the very least, I'd be interested in hearing why you want to lynch a number of people who you also seem to think are town based on picks. More and more people turned out to have picked 8, and more and more of them turned out to look mafia-ish. Suggesting that it's very possible mafia deliberatly picked people into 8. So i decided to scrap that idea and just not think about it anymore. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:18 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Can you give me a reason why multiple mafioso would all pick the same starting number beyond mindfuckery?On April 06 2013 10:15 Restraining Order wrote: On April 06 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: RO, the proper response to that is not lol. At the very least, I'd be interested in hearing why you want to lynch a number of people who you also seem to think are town based on picks. More and more people turned out to have picked 8, and more and more of them turned out to look mafia-ish. Suggesting that it's very possible mafia deliberatly picked people into 8. So i decided to scrap that idea and just not think about it anymore. Why go beyond mindfuckery? Mindfuckery is kind of what mafia do... | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:24 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Because "mindfuckery" is not the genesis of most mafia strategies. You seem to be suggesting that more than half the mafia team would pick [8] as a starting number. 2 seems low for what you're suggesting, or to be tossing out your thought that most of those players are town.On April 06 2013 10:19 Restraining Order wrote: On April 06 2013 10:18 austinmcc wrote: On April 06 2013 10:15 Restraining Order wrote: Can you give me a reason why multiple mafioso would all pick the same starting number beyond mindfuckery?On April 06 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: RO, the proper response to that is not lol. At the very least, I'd be interested in hearing why you want to lynch a number of people who you also seem to think are town based on picks. More and more people turned out to have picked 8, and more and more of them turned out to look mafia-ish. Suggesting that it's very possible mafia deliberatly picked people into 8. So i decided to scrap that idea and just not think about it anymore. Why go beyond mindfuckery? Mindfuckery is kind of what mafia do... If you're telling me a bunch of mafia all picked the same starting number, and all picked EIGHT, rather than [1]-[7] and being further up the multiple first pick list, then the ONLY reason I can come up with is mindfuckery, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense. And if it was mafia mindfuckery, they'd have brought it up. It doesn't do you much good to all pick [8] and then not go "HAI GAIZ BUNCHA EIGHTS, CAN'T BE MORE THAN ONE MAFIA IN THEM EIGHTS, NOPE NOPE NOPE." Now you're layering on the mindfuckery, and it's far more unlikely that such a play is happening than a bunch of people just picking [8]. So I don't think you can say it's mindfuckery. If it were, it's multiple levels deep, and that's not the right assumption. If you're town, you've tossed out the wrong assumption. The early picks are a place of spotlight. It absolutely makes sense to avoid it. 2-3 people picking 8 could be done under the assumption that few townies would also do so, making it likely for ~half the mafia-team to land in the middle of draft picks - high enough to get decent roles, low enough to avoid spotlight. It is kind of concerning you try to dismiss it so much. Must be because you also picked 8. | ||
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On April 06 2013 11:35 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2013 09:47 Restraining Order wrote: On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Pre-Dawn Lynch Preference of Wrath lol No better response than this? Pretty standard scum tactic to try and belittle a case against them rather than actually make a defense against. Every defense is trying to 'belittle' a case... But why do you feel the case warrants a response? I find it quite glaringly obvious that the case is terrible, and nothing it notes explains in any way why I should be scum. I want you to explain how and why you feel differently. On April 06 2013 11:35 deconduo wrote: Hi. I have been drinking. I may have completely different opinions in the morning. But for now: Pretty standard scum tactic to try and distance themselves from the responsibility of their own posts. | ||
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April 06 2013 11:39 GMT
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On April 06 2013 13:37 geript wrote: I figured out why I don't like the case on RestrainingOrder at all. In The Game, I got to watch both Bugs and Kita push absolute bullshit towards town's direct. It was well crafted bullshit, but bullshit none the less. VE's case is an exact example of this type of thing for a few reasons: 1. The townread/lynch stuff + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote: So RO wants to lynch inside [Caller, Palmar, Decon, VE, Kierathi, Artanis, austin, OO, Vivax, sn0] before D1 starts. That's cool I guess, but some of those names sound familiar. Where have I seen those names before? ... Oh that's right. In that OTHER post where he made a list and said "4/5 are townies", he wants to lynch 3/5 of them. This is the exact type of thing that we as scum would jump on. Any little thing that we could catch where town fucked up, changed reads, etc. It's perfect to attack because it seems so simple and plausible. Town in general are not going to be filtering themselves constantly to see their positions, know where they stood on exact people, etc. Whereas as scum, we were quite often referencing ourselves to see what stances were plausible for us to take. I can't wholly ignore the possibility that RO may just be lazy scum, hell he lurked most of LX until his teammate shot him. However, it's stupid to think that this early on that scum would make a slip this big. It's far more likely to be bad/stupid town. This isn't particularly scummy. 2. Posting a list of who picked what is non-alignment indicative. While one could argue that it's an easy way to appear to be contributing while doing nothing, it's ridiculous to say that he's scum because of it. 3. RO is a great opportunity for a mislynch. If you read the thread up to this point, VE isn't the first and likely won't be the last to suspect RO. IIRC Rayn, Gonzaw and someone else already expressed thoughts that they were suspicious of RO. He hasn't shown a great deal of activity. His posts haven't established him either way. This is an easy lynch to push just like the Greymist lynch was an easy one to push. 4. More on this later. 5. Look at this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea. What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size). What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. Does this post actually tell you anything? No. A few people had even espoused this point. The important thing to look at in this post is how many question marks there are. In my experience, VE is far more decisive. This looks like he's trying to blandly +1 but do so in such a minor way to both allow KP roles to use it (and lynch them for it) as well not dissuade anyone from actually firing. 6. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly rather than just be hard-defended Bill, I'd like to hear rayn's reasoning for thinking I'm scum. You know...so I can maybe get a read on rayn? Like, I appreciate the vote of confidence and everything, but I get the heebiejeebies when people hard defend me like they're already CERTAIN I'm town. :/ How ARE you certain I'm town by the way? This is an exceptionally soft push towards BM. Blazinghand pulled the exact same bullshit on "knowing" GoodKarma was town based on "meta" in The Game. Pulling that type of shit is suspicious at least. Artanis has been calling me out for similar things regarding Mocsta. VE decides to apply no pressure to BM at all and instead wants to pressure Rayn for thinking that VE's scum. What did VE do to SloOsh and Mocsta in Nomination Mafia? Flip their cases on him against them in order to either win them to his side and get them lynched. Same shit, new game. VE is SCUM This post is essentially correct and I agree with it. | ||
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April 06 2013 16:23 GMT
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On April 07 2013 01:21 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + This part of mocsta's case/post on artanis is straight up wrong, no?On April 06 2013 13:28 Mocsta wrote: What I find curious about the above, is when we start discussing Geript and you comment the below: On April 06 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I had you as weak town before our exchange, and the post you made questioned that read, so I questioned you. At first I thought it made you null again, but rereading it I realized that your wishy-washy post wouldn't make sense if Geript is scum, because he created an easy way for you to defend him which you denied. Since I believe Geript to be scum that makes you fairly town. On April 06 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote: Lol.. and if he is town.. what then? On April 06 2013 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then you'd be null again. I find this interchange ironic, as you flip flop regarding my alignment much to the same manner Geript does. Artanis identifies what his read was at multiple points, and WHY it changed. He does so vaguely, "the post you made," "your wishy-washy post," etc. but he still presents a read and how/why it changes over time. I don't see how "I think you're town, but you'd be null if this happened" is wishy-washy. What are you trying to achieve with this post? | ||
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April 06 2013 18:17 GMT
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April 06 2013 19:24 GMT
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On April 07 2013 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote: You guys are fuckign retarded I posted a case on RO that no one wants to coment on yet I'm the one doing nothing. Get real. It's funny, because the people that comment on your case on me, and identify it as the BS it is, get completely ignored by you in return. But it's a convenient excuse to act all mad, right? | ||
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April 06 2013 22:08 GMT
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On April 07 2013 06:58 Vivax wrote: Took a look at VE's filter cause he seems to be under suspicion. Liked his case, sheeping it. ##Vote: Restraining Order Interesting. | ||
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April 06 2013 23:54 GMT
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On April 07 2013 08:49 Vivax wrote: Why would RO claim that he wants to lynch people he judged as town previously based on something he called a "really good heuristic" before? Already explained.. On April 07 2013 08:49 Vivax wrote: No, it's not the only thing. Already said it goes against what RO himself said about the heuristic he himself brought up and defended. RO's whole defense against VE's case was "lol", and Palmar still didn't explain what makes VE scum aside from activity (and I would like to see how he defines that one). Oh so you found a second thing. gz. Well, I feel like geript's reaction to VE's case is very sufficient. You may take the things he wrote as equal to my opinion on it. Apart from the couple meta parallels to the game, which I don't know about since I didn't read that game. But the rest. | ||
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April 07 2013 00:11 GMT
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A couple people already know who 'I am', one of them one that should really know better. | ||
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April 07 2013 00:23 GMT
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On April 07 2013 09:20 Vivax wrote: Explain to me what happened to your heuristic then, even after you said it's really good despite keirathi pointing out that in one game it went otherwise than expected. What made you change your mind about not considering the heuristic as useful, and why do you throw out "would-lynch-lists" without ever making a case? I do know who you are, but I respect smurfs who want to keep their identity secret. And I also know your meta differs from your last two scum games, but I also know that you know what I know about your scummeta. So I'll go with what I see in the thread instead of assuming you're town cause you're more active and less trolly than in those games. As I already said, I already explained it. Again.. It's quite concerning you don't even read my filter, even though you apparantly think I'm mafia. | ||
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April 07 2013 00:43 GMT
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On April 07 2013 09:35 Vivax wrote: Well whatever, I feel like I'm getting into nitpicky stuff. Can you give me a quick opinion on Shelvocke instead? Will see how you perform over time instead. Feel free to answer if you want to, it would help me get a better read on you though. I don't have one, really. + Show Spoiler + I don't have any hope at all for the quality of your read on me, so that does not sound very enticing, just so you know. | ||
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April 07 2013 17:33 GMT
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April 07 2013 22:00 GMT
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I'll indulge though. Since you seem to ask for a gun-at-the-head read. If I had to, I'd shoot Sno right now. Not BM. But, I would not shoot now. These things work better if it's not blatantly obvious you're just fishing for reactions/pressuring people into doing 'something', FYI. | ||
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April 07 2013 22:01 GMT
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Just so you know. | ||
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April 07 2013 22:11 GMT
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On April 08 2013 07:01 austinmcc wrote: Gonzaw. I would like you to actually read Shelvocke closer. Read him critically. Do not assume that he was pressured at all early. Do not assume that he was ever discussed (Or, if you do, go find me the posts where he was pressured/discussed earlier). When I asked you before, you claimed to be null. There were things that originally made you suspicious, according to you, and "some stuff others say makes sense about him," (which btw, was meapak/me saying he was scum). Based on that, you shouldn't just be null. He is a legitimate topic of discussion, he does not have a filter, and he is likely a smurf (I generally assume all new people from odd countries = smurves). That was NOT much of a response from you, tbh. And he's not getting any of the traction you seem to value. Drop your assumptions about how the thread has interacted with him or find those interactions, and then critically read his filter, his vote, and then give me more of your thoughts that "he's null except here are two things that were kind of scummy but apparently don't make me scum on him." I still don't really understand how people can have a strong read on Shelvocke in either way. Like, everything he's said, and everything people said about him, just looks completely null to me. Is that the crux of the suspicion on him? Because I can see the concern if you look at it from that angle, but it's not a strong indicator in itself either, which is kind of ironic. | ||
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April 07 2013 23:00 GMT
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On April 08 2013 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 07:37 gonzaw wrote: Question: How do you guys feel about both Shevlocke and Artanis being scum? Do you think this is possible (even considering Artanis' vote of Shevy up there)? If so, what do you think the correct course of action would be today? Also, Sharrant get your ass in here, take your vote off Keirathi and do something. Yamato, tell us why you parked your vote on Palmar and did shit all D1. Yes, I know you are "suspicious" of Palmar from that case you wrote, but you've ignored everything about Artanis, Shevlocke, and everything else. This is not helpful and is NOT how you played in early draft phase. Step up I advise those that have votes on "irrelevant" people with just 1-2 votes take a step back, analyze them and Artanis/Shevlocke/etc again, and then tell us if you will keep parking your vote on that irrelevant guy, try to actually convince us to lynch him, or take a stance on Arty/Shevvy and put your vote on an actual lynch. RO, do you still think S&B is scum? You parked your vote on him and I don't remember you commenting on him at all afterwards. You haven't commented on Artanis either. Like half the game is just apathetic towards everything. I wish I could just shoot all of you :/ Yes, I'm currently waiting on the 'good things' he claims he'll do for town. As is now, I still think he's scum and the couple posts he did inbetween don't really make me reconsider. I haven't commented on Artanis because I have no real strong feelings about him. He has looked more useful and 'townie' in his recent town games, but I'm not seeing much that screams scum, so I'm kinda 'meh' on him. See how useless this read is? That's why I didn't feel the need to share it. dis shit too hard. | ||
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