Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power - Page 3

On April 06 2013 10:03 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: Oops, looks like I miscounted, make that 10.

On April 06 2013 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
There's hardly anything convenient about telling you and your suggestion for my role pick to get bent my friend. You can accuse me of convenience if I fail to push your lynch tomorrow...good luck with that ever happening.

On April 06 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote:
RO, the proper response to that is not lol. At the very least, I'd be interested in hearing why you want to lynch a number of people who you also seem to think are town based on picks.

On April 06 2013 10:18 austinmcc wrote:
Can you give me a reason why multiple mafioso would all pick the same starting number beyond mindfuckery?

On April 06 2013 10:24 austinmcc wrote:
Because "mindfuckery" is not the genesis of most mafia strategies. You seem to be suggesting that more than half the mafia team would pick [8] as a starting number. 2 seems low for what you're suggesting, or to be tossing out your thought that most of those players are town.

If you're telling me a bunch of mafia all picked the same starting number, and all picked EIGHT, rather than [1]-[7] and being further up the multiple first pick list, then the ONLY reason I can come up with is mindfuckery, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

And if it was mafia mindfuckery, they'd have brought it up. It doesn't do you much good to all pick [8] and then not go "HAI GAIZ BUNCHA EIGHTS, CAN'T BE MORE THAN ONE MAFIA IN THEM EIGHTS, NOPE NOPE NOPE." Now you're layering on the mindfuckery, and it's far more unlikely that such a play is happening than a bunch of people just picking [8].

So I don't think you can say it's mindfuckery. If it were, it's multiple levels deep, and that's not the right assumption. If you're town, you've tossed out the wrong assumption.

On April 06 2013 11:35 deconduo wrote:


No better response than this? Pretty standard scum tactic to try and belittle a case against them rather than actually make a defense against.

On April 06 2013 11:35 deconduo wrote:
Hi. I have been drinking. I may have completely different opinions in the morning. But for now:

On April 06 2013 13:37 geript wrote:
I figured out why I don't like the case on RestrainingOrder at all. In The Game, I got to watch both Bugs and Kita push absolute bullshit towards town's direct. It was well crafted bullshit, but bullshit none the less. VE's case is an exact example of this type of thing for a few reasons:
1. The townread/lynch stuff + Show Spoiler +
This is the exact type of thing that we as scum would jump on. Any little thing that we could catch where town fucked up, changed reads, etc. It's perfect to attack because it seems so simple and plausible. Town in general are not going to be filtering themselves constantly to see their positions, know where they stood on exact people, etc. Whereas as scum, we were quite often referencing ourselves to see what stances were plausible for us to take. I can't wholly ignore the possibility that RO may just be lazy scum, hell he lurked most of LX until his teammate shot him. However, it's stupid to think that this early on that scum would make a slip this big. It's far more likely to be bad/stupid town. This isn't particularly scummy.

2. Posting a list of who picked what is non-alignment indicative. While one could argue that it's an easy way to appear to be contributing while doing nothing, it's ridiculous to say that he's scum because of it.

3. RO is a great opportunity for a mislynch. If you read the thread up to this point, VE isn't the first and likely won't be the last to suspect RO. IIRC Rayn, Gonzaw and someone else already expressed thoughts that they were suspicious of RO. He hasn't shown a great deal of activity. His posts haven't established him either way. This is an easy lynch to push just like the Greymist lynch was an easy one to push.

4. More on this later.

5. Look at this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
Does this post actually tell you anything? No. A few people had even espoused this point. The important thing to look at in this post is how many question marks there are. In my experience, VE is far more decisive. This looks like he's trying to blandly +1 but do so in such a minor way to both allow KP roles to use it (and lynch them for it) as well not dissuade anyone from actually firing.

6. + Show Spoiler +
This is an exceptionally soft push towards BM. Blazinghand pulled the exact same bullshit on "knowing" GoodKarma was town based on "meta" in The Game. Pulling that type of shit is suspicious at least. Artanis has been calling me out for similar things regarding Mocsta. VE decides to apply no pressure to BM at all and instead wants to pressure Rayn for thinking that VE's scum. What did VE do to SloOsh and Mocsta in Nomination Mafia? Flip their cases on him against them in order to either win them to his side and get them lynched. Same shit, new game.

VE is SCUM

On April 07 2013 01:21 austinmcc wrote:
This part of mocsta's case/post on artanis is straight up wrong, no?

Artanis identifies what his read was at multiple points, and WHY it changed. He does so vaguely, "the post you made," "your wishy-washy post," etc. but he still presents a read and how/why it changes over time. I don't see how "I think you're town, but you'd be null if this happened" is wishy-washy.

On April 07 2013 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
You guys are fuckign retarded I posted a case on RO that no one wants to coment on yet I'm the one doing nothing. Get real.

On April 07 2013 06:58 Vivax wrote:
Took a look at VE's filter cause he seems to be under suspicion. Liked his case, sheeping it.

##Vote: Restraining Order

On April 07 2013 08:49 Vivax wrote:
Why would RO claim that he wants to lynch people he judged as town previously based on something he called a "really good heuristic" before?

On April 07 2013 08:49 Vivax wrote:
No, it's not the only thing. Already said it goes against what RO himself said about the heuristic he himself brought up and defended.
RO's whole defense against VE's case was "lol", and Palmar still didn't explain what makes VE scum aside from activity (and I would like to see how he defines that one).

On April 07 2013 09:20 Vivax wrote:
Explain to me what happened to your heuristic then, even after you said it's really good despite keirathi pointing out that in one game it went otherwise than expected.

What made you change your mind about not considering the heuristic as useful, and why do you throw out "would-lynch-lists" without ever making a case?

I do know who you are, but I respect smurfs who want to keep their identity secret. And I also know your meta differs from your last two scum games, but I also know that you know what I know about your scummeta. So I'll go with what I see in the thread instead of assuming you're town cause you're more active and less trolly than in those games.

On April 07 2013 09:35 Vivax wrote:
Well whatever, I feel like I'm getting into nitpicky stuff. Can you give me a quick opinion on Shelvocke instead? Will see how you perform over time instead. Feel free to answer if you want to, it would help me get a better read on you though.

On April 08 2013 07:01 austinmcc wrote:
Gonzaw. I would like you to actually read Shelvocke closer. Read him critically. Do not assume that he was pressured at all early. Do not assume that he was ever discussed (Or, if you do, go find me the posts where he was pressured/discussed earlier).

When I asked you before, you claimed to be null. There were things that originally made you suspicious, according to you, and "some stuff others say makes sense about him," (which btw, was meapak/me saying he was scum). Based on that, you shouldn't just be null. He is a legitimate topic of discussion, he does not have a filter, and he is likely a smurf (I generally assume all new people from odd countries = smurves).

That was NOT much of a response from you, tbh. And he's not getting any of the traction you seem to value. Drop your assumptions about how the thread has interacted with him or find those interactions, and then critically read his filter, his vote, and then give me more of your thoughts that "he's null except here are two things that were kind of scummy but apparently don't make me scum on him."

On April 08 2013 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote:

Yes, I'm currently waiting on the 'good things' he claims he'll do for town. As is now, I still think he's scum and the couple posts he did inbetween don't really make me reconsider.

I haven't commented on Artanis because I have no real strong feelings about him. He has looked more useful and 'townie' in his recent town games, but I'm not seeing much that screams scum, so I'm kinda 'meh' on him.
See how useless this read is? That's why I didn't feel the need to share it.