EPTAlso, when you look at the the splayed out votes, you can see a trend. Scum tend to be early voters on the non-scum wagons that are forming and late on the scum wagons that have formed. That leaves Keirathi, Yamato and Vivax in the trend.
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Also, when you look at the the splayed out votes, you can see a trend. Scum tend to be early voters on the non-scum wagons that are forming and late on the scum wagons that have formed. That leaves Keirathi, Yamato and Vivax in the trend. | ||
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I also ask you this... how many cases have scum made against scum at this point? Seriously? I don't remember any (although I'm not done with my readthrough). Honestly, I expect much better than this, but if you need to lynch me to realize that I'm right on Keirathi then please do so if you have to. | ||
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It starts here and then once Austin starts grabbing onto the Keirathi as scum idea Artanis drops his case on me on page 43 and Bill Murray gets super active. | ||
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geript -- town restraining order shelvocke -- vanilla check vivax sinani206 -- green check yamato77 -- early town read mocsta -- early town read Oatmaster That leaves 3 people I'm willing to lynch. I'll look at RO tomorrow, but for right now Vivax + Oats are the two people who I think have the greatest odds of flipping scum. I'm assuming that right now it's 6-1 double mislynch + NK leaves at 3-1 and MYLO. No double lynch means 6-1, 4-1 then 2-1 if they don't have any extra kp. Double lynch is slightly bad but not god awful. In the least it shortens the time frame. | ||
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On April 07 2013 07:58 Vivax wrote: If he looks like a great potential mislynch it should be in your interest to try the hardest to figure out his alignment no? Defending him isn't exactly the way to go. You say he could also be lazy scum, are you trying to get him to play in a way to exclude or confirm that possibility?No, you're doing the opposite. @Mocsta do you remember if it was Vivax or Kush who pointed out Yamato's attack on Hapa in DukeNukem in a similar way? | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:45 deconduo wrote: Seeing as you are having trouble with this Vivax: -I think X is scummy -Y votes for X You seem to think that means I should assume Y is town. This obviously completely wrong. There is nothing stopping Y being scum and X being town. One of the major things I remember from the podcast about LX was that Vivax had a very odd argument about people who didn't agree with him were scum. It's an argument that he didn't use as Town in the Game from what I remember. But this summary which is pretty spot on IMO is a return to the "if people don't agree with you then they're likely scum" mentality that Vivax attacked deconduo for. | ||
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On April 13 2013 02:55 Vivax wrote: Scum always defend their scumbuddies yeah. Just like OO. Oh wait. I find this an exceptionally odd quote. It's like he's very aware of when and how scum bussed. Then he looks for when OO bussed Artanis. On April 15 2013 13:02 Vivax wrote: Other incriminating stuff: Yamato initially wanted to lynch these guys: + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 15:13 yamato77 wrote: Going to bed. When I wake up tomorrow, I'm taking a look at this list of people: VE PALMAR SINANI MEAPAK AUSTIN One of them will get lynched. OO deciding to bus artanis at this time: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 08:23 ObviousOne wrote: British Empire Mini Mafia II [Town]: Comfortable with 180 when confronted with new information Openly questions his detractors Sarcasm/teeth to his posts Early game attention grabber with BS vote on Marv (wasn't even in the game) - not afraid of the spotlight Direct/engaged mid-lategame One of his post-game posts I believe he mentioned before in this game, that he was trying to change up his playstyle a bit: + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 09:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, just reading the thread and getting reads off that is easy, actually doing analysis on players and posting it and trying to convince others, using meta, etc. is something else and it's not something you bothered with. When I did do so and people barely/didn't respond to it and still happily voted for me, it doesn't particularly make the game very fun. Fruity Mafia [Town]: First major thing that stands out to me is how he formulated this post. He talked about 4 other players then said ObviousOne looked bad (I really did, bee tee dubs): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17802815 He guilted me out of my scum read on Toad (Zessionar in that game): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17811235 Full of questions / interactions / poking Was a town power role and got very bold D2 but town confidence overall was high. Otherwise rather similar to British TL Mafia LI [Mafia]: Talks about things mafia would/wouldn't do (his example was scum don't make big slips) Points out a big scum slip (lol see above) Posts in a reassuring tone (regarding his own reads) Attacked inactivity and claims Post-game confessions: Characteristics I picked out from Haunted [2010]: - Makes summaries {conglomerations of players posts} with blanket statements regarding alignment - I used to do this all the time especially in my earliest games - Feigned/Real inactivity/unavailability - not necessarily a scum tell but a useful scum tool - Offers to be "helpful" for a period of time - not taking the initiative and doing something useful himself - Defensive stance - possibly a product of being under suspicion when being replaced in, but in this game was used to misdirect suspicion on lurkers to non-mafia faction THIS GAME: Dismissive in D0, not chasing shadows or anything really Some concept of a plan presented, not really pushed Not very inquisitive Giant poop in the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18226316 No real back-and-forth happening Barely here The OBVIOUS conclusion: Scum Spend way more time defending / deflecting than scum hunting, less interactive than his town games. By extension of this, he's missing that edge of sarcasm and incredulity in his voice that is present when he calls people out on their bullshit as town. He doesn't seem interested in getting people to re-factor their reads. Way too defensive to match his town meta in any way. Added note: his filter is barely 2 pages and we've already been active for four real-time days if I am not fucking up my maths. Both scum game filters were short (less than 3 pages each) and showed him hiding by posting just enough to not be considered a lurker. Suddenly Artanis is among yamato's scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 09:42 yamato77 wrote: Let's lynch Artanis. The fact that the lynch has met resistance and people are arguing about other cases that are "scummier" is a good thing. I love information. OO's analysis of his meta is decent, and coupled with gonzaw's case, I could see Artanus as scum. As for who to vig, it should obviously be sinani. If you read his filter, he posts opportunistically, and generally has little to say. One post in particular I called out as being especially horrible, the one where he gives his "thoughts" on the lynch candidates and is null on three out of four. I was scum with him in Red Team's Prize, and he's acting similar to that game, here his posting in the thread is quiet and not forceful. His "push" of BM as a vig shot is also terrible, because I actually have him down as likely town. As for myself, since people seem to think I need to contribute more, meh. I gave the game the start I wanted and I have some decent town reads out of that, so as far as continuing a high level of activity, I don't feel that it's necessary. I'm doing my own scum hunting, and I make myself known throughout the day on where I'm at. If I drop off the face of the planet, feel free to shoot/lynch me, but I'm not going to be hyperactive in these games anymore. Shortly after OO bussed, yamato adds Artanis to those he would lynch, without fighting for his own choices. Not only that, there's reasonable soft defenses of multiple scum buddies. | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:29 VisceraEyes wrote: In what way is this post any different from this post? You accuse Vivax of trying to "bandwagon" SnB but you yourself opened your "content" by similarly voting SnB with no reasoning. You accuse Vivax of not reading the thread, but somehow you missed the fact that gonzaw was scheduled for an earth-shattering scum-destroying case at the end of his countdown? Palmar I'm quite interested in why you think decon is town. That feels kinda like fucking bullshit from you. ##Unvote ##Vote deconduo | ||
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