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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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On April 13 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote: The logic obviously wasn't terrible as it held. Have u read the filters of VE/Artanis/OO. I did, and shevlocke is a recurring theme for pushing as a lynch candidate. If you were so sure that he was town, why did you check him? Boggle :o To me, in your shoes Vivax would have been a MUCH better check. | ||
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Keirathi
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I kind of want to lynch S&B over Vivax. Notice how BM refused to shoot him despite me asking nicely the entire night? Scum BM would have had the perfect opportunity to shoot town S&B with one of the strongest anti-scum roles still alive. Why didn't he? And why did scum pick Assassin without a role checking role? | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 13 2013 22:16 Mocsta wrote: I really hope Shelvocke isnt RebirthofLegend; but his constant fucking off and doing nothing to help town is reminding of ThePeaShooter majorly. ================ At least we can be sure scum only has 1 night KP. ================ Keirathi Day2, I was pushing for a SnB lynch pretty hard. Austin in particular gave me resistance, and no one else seemed to care about what I was saying. - IIRC that included you. Night 2 you were pushing for SnB. Can you walk me through what in particular changed your mind. I don't think I ever gave particular resistance. S&B was in one my "we should lynch from this list" posts early in the day. I backed off once he claimed DT, though, because I was just wrong about DT. For some reason, throughout the whole game, I thought DT was just an alignment check (you can kinda see that I did actually think that in my "Roles you should take" post...I had NKVD as slightly more powerful than DT, and had DT as a "town only" pick. NKVD is definitely not more powerful role+alignment check). Scum wouldn't take just an alignment check, so I just moved S&B back in my list. Then Sharrant brought up the fact that DT was role+alignment, and my opinion quickly changed again. That is an excellent role for scum to pick. Basically I don't have any reasons for why S&B is town, his role (especially in this situation, with an assassin teammate) makes perfect sense as scum, and BM refused to shoot him. Together, I think he's our last scum. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Also lynching one of our dts instead of checking them makes no sense in this situation. We have like three claimed detectives, and scum has only got one KP (assuming one of the kills last night was due to bill Murray). We can check everyone left in the game before scum can kill all of us. So if you really think I'm scum, there's absolutely no reason to lynch me instead of having a detective check me. Actually this is kind of a good point. Hmmm, I'll think about it. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 01:24 strongandbig wrote: Anyway keirathi do you disagree that scum likely only has one KP left and that we should have dts check me instead of lynching me? If you're worried that scum would kill the dt who checks me, we could have both you and vivax check me. No, I don't disagree. Hence why I said "Actually that's a good point"  Scum almost certainly only have 1 KP left.My only real problem is that we have no idea how the bonuses work. We know a "Gangster" got a godfather bonus. Does that mean a "Law enforcement" character can't get a godfather bonus? Or a "politician" character? | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote: The answer you seek is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=174#3467 Short answer is "no" Law enfrocement can not receive GF bonus. You're reading that part wrong. It says "politicians gain bonuses FOR HAVING vote manipulation roles" not "politices gain bonuses TO vote manipulation roles". By your logic, how is godfather a logical bonus to assassin, a KP role? | ||
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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My entire point is we know that you get a bonus for picking a role that fits into your Theme. We have no idea how those bonuses are chosen, or assigned. We have anecdotal evidence that Assassin got a godfather bonus, and that Justice Vig got a bonus that either made him not compulsive and/or allowed him to shoot townies (probably the latter). That tells us that the bonuses within a single theme category aren't even the same and are role specific, but it doesn't tell us if other theme categories can get the same bonuses or not. | ||
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 02:23 Mocsta wrote: Too tired for this shit. Night guys. One thing I learnt from filter diving last night (Art/VE/OO) was that, Artanis and IIRC OO; gave Vivax town reads with weird justifications. Artanis town reads on ppl like u, felt real (like he really thought u were town, and was giving points). But with Vivax, he just commented on some stuff about meta. Just something to keep in mind; if Vivax parity check was on BM; I would just lynch him. If only someone had checked Vivax. Like everyone said to. Hmmmmmmm? | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 03:01 Mocsta wrote: I dont see the point. I can only role check. and he was so confident to immediately say parity cop... i saw no reason to validate that. All the other cops tried to be more reserved, and just say cop. If anything that makes vivax look worse though. Point is.. im sure my check would come back parity, so what then? Scum won't pick parity cop. It serves them absolutely no purpose. If he returns Parity Cop, that's as good as an alignment check. | ||
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On April 14 2013 03:43 Restraining Order wrote: FWIW, the same argument was used on the justice vig pick. And see how that turned out.. True. I didn't really think about that. But my problem is...how do you turn parity cop into a scum-friendly role at all? Make it a role cop? I guess that's possible, but it seems to completely change the role, rather than just changing some minor mechanics. I guess its possible, though. A caveat is that both of the scum who have had role-based bonuses, their role name has changed. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 03:44 Mocsta wrote: That leaves; yam/SnB/Vivax. S&B has green+VT check on yam. Whether S&B is town or scum, the check is valid. And a VT can't get any "bonuses" afaik. Which means yam is almost certainly green. | ||
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Keirathi
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But the better question is, who is he using his frames on? Just not using them? Why not at least throw one on his teammate BillMurray? I mean, no one said we were checking BM; I kinda just made that decision at the last minute because BM wasn't cooperating and said he was "fishing for reactions". RO being scum is not impossible, but RO being scum AND framer seems quite unlikely. | ||
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On April 14 2013 06:57 strongandbig wrote: oh i didnt realize that he couldnt frame himself. well who do you think we should lynch today? It's a toss up between you and Vivax, with you leading right now. So, who do YOU want to lynch today? You haven't said. Well, I guess you said that we should lynch dandel, but only because you think he is framer. What about his play? What about anyone else? On April 14 2013 13:42 geript wrote: I don't understand why Keirathi is getting a free pass here. He himself said multiple times IIRC that BM's role would reveal itself regardless and had no need for investigation. There was literally 0 reason to check him. Checking Micsta, Vivax, RO or S&B were his best options clearly. I really wish I had thought more and tossed it at Keirathi instead. Why is he not being looked at whatsoever? I'll explain. Yes, his role was self-confirming if he was town AND he was compulsive, or if he was town and not compulsive but agreed to shoot a specific target for us and "take one for the team". If he wasn't using his ability in any way we could track, then how was he self-confirming? He claimed that he wasn't compulsive anymore. I dunno about you, but I don't think that's entirely out of the realm of possibilities for a theme bonus. And if he's not compulsive, then him being alive doesn't mean anything. He would have just been this big question mark until someone checked him or we just lynched him anyways. Better to be sure, IMO. As for the bolded: you have no idea how much I wish you had to. | ||
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Keirathi
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Remember, I was the first of the cops to claim my actual role. We had 3 people claim cop checks...me, austin, and S&B. Vivax hadn't claimed yet. And remember, austin and S&B had both claimed alignment checks, S&B hadn't claimed his role check yet, nor had Sharrant claimed that he had tried to take DT yet. So, despite all that, I just happened to guess the right cop role that wasn't picked? So yea, its EXTREMELY likely that I am actually NKVD. If you want to say "Okay, I believe that you are NKVD because the facts don't make sense otherwise, but I still think you could have picked NKVD as scum." Then I ask you the question: why would I have? Yes, I have myself set up to return as vanilla to role cop checks (because I expected, and still sorta do, that scum probably took a role check ability if they took assassin). But if I was scum, why not just take Godfather, and get to protect one of my teammates as well? NKVD is strictly inferior to GF in every way. Also of note is that NKVD doesn't change your alignment to alignment checks, so an alignment check could clear this right up. | ||
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