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On March 27 2013 10:34 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 10:28 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that. Yeah... thanks for pointing this out, this actually runs counter to one of my points against Grackeroni. I am going to take another look at my stance because that was the major reason why I decided to tunnel in. Need to re-evaluate, I'm going to unvote for now and I'll be back in a few hours after raid night is over. and seriously..... reallly.... Do you even read my posts? I pointed this exact thing out in my post. I said that you didn't read the thread closely or didn't filter Palmar because you would have known that my post on Palmar didn't come out of the blue. and then you came back with "Whereas Grack is literally making shit up about me to get me lynched." But now when Marv says it all of a sudden you notice. And people wonder why I've been less than motivated this game. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. Meh I was mostly right. You haven't mentioned anyone else you think is a better lynch.
I'll give you one tip for understanding my play. Don't "read" into my posts what isn't there. I say what I mean to say. In this case, I meant to say that you're a better lynch than rayn or Obvious. If when you say "marv thinks I'm the best lynch in the game" you mean "marv thinks I'm the best lynch out of these 3/16 players" then you would be correct. Because that's what I said.
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On March 27 2013 10:42 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 10:38 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 10:34 Grackaroni wrote:On March 27 2013 10:28 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that. Yeah... thanks for pointing this out, this actually runs counter to one of my points against Grackeroni. I am going to take another look at my stance because that was the major reason why I decided to tunnel in. Need to re-evaluate, I'm going to unvote for now and I'll be back in a few hours after raid night is over. and seriously..... reallly.... Do you even read my posts? I pointed this exact thing out in my post. I said that you didn't read the thread closely or didn't filter Palmar because you would have known that my post on Palmar didn't come out of the blue. and then you came back with "Whereas Grack is literally making shit up about me to get me lynched." But now when Marv says it all of a sudden you notice. And people wonder why I've been less than motivated this game. On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. Meh I was mostly right. You haven't mentioned anyone else you think is a better lynch. I'll give you one tip for understanding my play. Don't "read" into my posts what isn't there. I say what I mean to say. In this case, I meant to say that you're a better lynch than rayn or Obvious. If when you say "marv thinks I'm the best lynch in the game" you mean "marv thinks I'm the best lynch out of these 3/16 players" then you would be correct. Because that's what I said. Like honestly why are you saying that I'm the best lynch out of these 3/16 players rather than just saying who you want to lynch/who is the best lynch. What is the point of that? If that's not you saying who you want to lynch than I have absolutely no idea so far who you want to lynch.
I said it because there were people in the thread at the time discussing those 2 lynches in particular. Go back and check.
Your other point that you don't know who I actually want to lynch is valid. Work in progress I'm afraid.
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Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular.
On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads.
I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why?
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On March 27 2013 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you are being wishy-washy about this.
Thanks! <3
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On March 27 2013 11:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[b]##Unvote:
Vote: Grackaroni{/b[
So, you said Grackeroni was likely town earlier. Or at least the case was bad and "Palmar is on the wrong track".
Let me guess - you think I'm soft defending/attacking my scumbuddy so you're voting for him?
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On March 27 2013 11:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[b]##Unvote:
Vote: Grackaroni{/b[ So, you said Grackeroni was likely town earlier. Or at least the case was bad and "Palmar is on the wrong track". Let me guess - you think I'm soft defending/attacking my scumbuddy so you're voting for him? No, he has failed to do anything productive and i don't find his answers acceptable anymore.
Literally less than 75 minutes ago you said Palmar was on the wrong track with Grack. Now he is your top scumread. You don't think this is a little odd? ^_^
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On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about?
No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you.
You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all.
I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited.
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On March 27 2013 11:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about? No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you. You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all. I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited. The impression I got from his filter. You call it trolly. I call it relaxed and engaging with people. The real important part is that his play is WORLDS apart from his play this game... And that you failed to see that despite playing in those games, while I just had a look through the relevant filter and thread sequences. + Show Spoiler +Actively engaging in conversation with his fellow players: On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! On February 26 2013 09:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? Relaxed and joking: On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts. On February 26 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote:
wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person.
and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert.
Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life.
## Vote the Macho Man
This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way.
I don't "fail" to see these things Acro, much like I didn't "fail" to see all the things you accused me of in MTG 2 (where in fact I was proved right at every turn)
What I really need you to do is not turn this into a suspicion of me (feel free to do this separately from this conversation) but just to answer me straight.
Please go and look at Obvious's day 1 in Fruity. He literally did not talk to a single player for the entire cycle. You can verify this by looking at his filter. He only started engaging Night 1 when he was bandied around as a possible vigilante target. You provide a couple of examples from LX, but you can't find a single one from Fruity Day 1, right? So why are you including this game in your read of him as 'engaged' as town?
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On March 27 2013 11:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:27 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about? No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you. You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all. I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited. The impression I got from his filter. You call it trolly. I call it relaxed and engaging with people. The real important part is that his play is WORLDS apart from his play this game... And that you failed to see that despite playing in those games, while I just had a look through the relevant filter and thread sequences. + Show Spoiler +Actively engaging in conversation with his fellow players: On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! On February 26 2013 09:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? Relaxed and joking: On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts. On February 26 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote:
wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person.
and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert.
Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life.
## Vote the Macho Man
This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way. I don't "fail" to see these things Acro, much like I didn't "fail" to see all the things you accused me of in MTG 2 (where in fact I was proved right at every turn) What I really need you to do is not turn this into a suspicion of me (feel free to do this separately from this conversation) but just to answer me straight. Please go and look at Obvious's day 1 in Fruity. He literally did not talk to a single player for the entire cycle. You can verify this by looking at his filter. He only started engaging Night 1 when he was bandied around as a possible vigilante target. You provide a couple of examples from LX, but you can't find a single one from Fruity Day 1, right? So why are you including this game in your read of him as 'engaged' as town? Where are you going with this? I looked at fruity and was like "wait, that's not how he's playing this game", then read LX and saw that he was actively engaging the thread and pretty damned relaxed, which is pretty similar to his later play in Fruity. I will do whatever I like with this info, now explain your damn meta town read on OO.
So... you can't explain how he was more engaged in Fruity, because he in fact literally engaged with no-one, and you're using this as a platform to attack me?
Or am I just more sophisticated and look at the relevant timescales when I look at meta? For example I pick out Day 1 play specifically when I'm looking at Day 1 play.
I just need to know if you're being lazy and looking at entire filters for comparison while I'm looking at the relevant time period.
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On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here?
This isn't the issue. Don't make me resort to caps lock. You said very specifically he was more engaged, whereas I have pointed out he literally engaged with no-one on Day 1 in Fruity.
If you can explain to me how he was engaged Day 1 Fruity (hint: you can't) I will drop this immediately. Otherwise I just want to clear up an assertion you made. It's perfectly possible you were just lazy and/or unattentive to timescales or whatever, but I'd quite like to know what is what is what.
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EBWOP: stop being a stubborn bastard.
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On March 27 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:58 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? It's called trying to be less bad. You should try it sometime. Yeah. I'm not making a meta case on you. I never said you were scum because your meta doesn't match up. I just said it wasn't a reason to call you town, and THAT is the point I am trying to make. Don't you find it weird Marv has this magic meta town read on you when you are apparently busy changing your meta? Unless I misunderstood, his meta read on me was that I was fearless here/previous town games and I was afraid to post in Hydra (my only scum game and therefore his only scum game to draw from) which is spot on. If you understood his meta case on me differently then that may be where the malfunction is occurring.
I love you (i hope you're town). For now I've written Acro off as stupid, which usually means he's town. hurray I'm 10/16 through this game!
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On March 27 2013 12:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:57 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? This isn't the issue. Don't make me resort to caps lock. You said very specifically he was more engaged, whereas I have pointed out he literally engaged with no-one on Day 1 in Fruity. If you can explain to me how he was engaged Day 1 Fruity (hint: you can't) I will drop this immediately. Otherwise I just want to clear up an assertion you made. It's perfectly possible you were just lazy and/or unattentive to timescales or whatever, but I'd quite like to know what is what is what. It was a DIRECT response to your META town read on OO. I am not calling OO scum based on that. I was calling him not-a-town-read. You answered how he was not playing at ALL like his scum meta in Hydra. So I looked at his town games and found that your meta case is bollocks. Fruity was included there because those were the games I looked at and any numbskull can see that OO is not playing a similar game at all. So once again. How did you have a meta read on OO? Now answer the damn question and stop deflecting.
maybe I'll answer if you can answer me in any way how OO was engaged Fruity Day 1 
I've only asked you 3 times now. And you did assert it.
I promise to Betsy I'll answer your question if you can answer mine properly <3
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So... you still can't answer the Fruity "engaged" issue?
Ok dear.
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On March 27 2013 12:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:14 marvellosity wrote:
So... you still can't answer the Fruity "engaged" issue?
Ok dear. I have answered your question already. Your turn to explain where your magic meta read on OO came from where you left out the other half of OO's meta.
You've never answered once how you found OO engaged in Fruity Day 1. Please paste the relevant quote if you have.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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On March 27 2013 12:30 Acrofales wrote:What I found in Fruity D1 was that he played differently from here. What I found in the rest of Fruity was that he loosened up and started engaging the thread. He continued to do so in his next town game, LX, and did so right from the start. I said that here: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:27 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about? No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you. You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all. I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited. The impression I got from his filter. You call it trolly. I call it relaxed and engaging with people. The real important part is that his play is WORLDS apart from his play this game... And that you failed to see that despite playing in those games, while I just had a look through the relevant filter and thread sequences. + Show Spoiler +Actively engaging in conversation with his fellow players: On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! On February 26 2013 09:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? Relaxed and joking: On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts. On February 26 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote:
wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person.
and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert.
Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life.
## Vote the Macho Man
This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way. I don't "fail" to see these things Acro, much like I didn't "fail" to see all the things you accused me of in MTG 2 (where in fact I was proved right at every turn) What I really need you to do is not turn this into a suspicion of me (feel free to do this separately from this conversation) but just to answer me straight. Please go and look at Obvious's day 1 in Fruity. He literally did not talk to a single player for the entire cycle. You can verify this by looking at his filter. He only started engaging Night 1 when he was bandied around as a possible vigilante target. You provide a couple of examples from LX, but you can't find a single one from Fruity Day 1, right? So why are you including this game in your read of him as 'engaged' as town? Where are you going with this? I looked at fruity and was like "wait, that's not how he's playing this game", then read LX and saw that he was actively engaging the thread and pretty damned relaxed, which is pretty similar to his later play in Fruity. I will do whatever I like with this info, now explain your damn meta town read on OO.
So now we get to the issue. "Played differently here" is not what you said originally. You said he was "engaged". Demonstrably, he was not engaged on Day 1.
Further, we get to the nub of the issue that you were looking beyond Day 1, whereas I was not.
Don't blame your failures on me.
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On March 27 2013 12:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Nah I can see Grack actually being a busy/rusty townie. I can't see Prplhz being this dis-engaged as town.
eh, i can, sorta. what do you make of the points acro has made against nisani?
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On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:Good morning. The fact that nobody is commenting on Marv means we are either reliving MTG 2, or he is scum and his scumbuddies are deflecting with a timely case on someone else. For now, I reread our exchange and Marv feels as if he is intentionally pushing my buttons, which is something I feel when rereading MTG 2 as well. Yet some things... Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Acro, I think that part of marv's OO read looks fine.
The point is that OO was exceptionally lurky and scared in Hydra Mini. His play is not like that this game. Looking at his game in Fruity, it's a tad more active, and more similar to this game. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll. Everybody: have you looked at Marv this game? What is his alignment? I really don't want to repeat MTG 2 where I solo-tunnel (or there with DI in a reinforcing hydra chat of tunnelvision) Marv all game. READ HIM AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. I know Hapa and Keir want to lynch prplhz. I don't feel the lynch. Mainly because: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.
Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet. Nisani still scum even if you guys forget that. And this is the scummiest reason to vote for a guy in the thread. Lets look at Nisani so far, right? + Show Spoiler [prplhz null] +On March 26 2013 14:02 Nisani201 wrote:
The bold part doesn't mean anything, that's just what he had bolded in his post. The point is that that post is telling people to vote based on what's happening in the meaningless beginning parts of the game.
"Contentless" isn't about quantity, it's about how much of his posts have his own opinions on things. Which isn't really in his filter at all.
I don't know how prplhz is a primary suspicion in this game, he has 3 posts which all mean nothing.
InsertSmurfHere's analysis on Dandel looks like scum bait. No one bit it, which is unfortunate but these things don't always work.
I don't see anything weird about marv, is there a case on him? Because if there is then I don't remember reading it. And then: + Show Spoiler [lets vote for him] +On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.
I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though. On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.
Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet. Where's the justification? It is PURELY reactionary to Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:58 Keirathi wrote:
P.S: @Nisani:
Who do you want to lynch? Who's the flavour of the page? Prplhz is. Pressure on Nisani to do anything disappeared, and Nisani could crawl back into his scumQT. Also, this: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 14:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 27 2013 13:40 prplhz wrote:On March 27 2013 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:People need to stop being idiots and vote for Prplhz. I challenge you to figure out how this quote comes from a townie: On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it. Prplhz sheeped Palmar on his Grack case. He should find him town.
Therefore, he passively suggests to Nisani that Nisani should find Palmar more suspicious? Yeah no. I thought it was really weird that Nisani201 thought that Palmar's case on Grackaroni was bullshit yet he didn't seem to think that Palmar was scum. Palmar is a guy who you can rely on having good reads for good reason but Nisani201 just dismissed the read without trying at all to put any pressure on Palmar and I found that weird so I poked him. Why would you encourage pressure against a guy you should think is town? Added to your general "lack-of-giving-a-shit" and multiple soft-pushes of players in the thread, u scum brah. reads like confirmation bias if I ever saw it. The prplhz bit isn't encouraging pressure against Palmar, it's saying he saw an inconsistency in Nisani's play and wanted that explained. Eh, I don't know why I am defending prplhz. I looked over his filter and everything said about him is right. Just Nisani is even scummier and it looks highly unlikely they're both scum.
In completely unrelated news. WTF is that kill on Grack in the middle of nowhere? Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. The first line seems very insincere. He wants to say it's strange, but isn't too sure of himself. This seems completely uncharacteristic for Palmar. Palmar, did you shoot Grack? Out of everybody in the thread, you seem to be the only townie with both the scumspicion and the ego to just shoot Grack out of nowhere on D1. If it's a scum shot, why the hell shoot Grack, when they could take out some high-profile player? Grack was a borderline lurker with a good chance of getting lynched. Why shoot him? I honestly see NO scum motivation for wasting an anonymous dayvig shot on Grack.
I'm gonna do this once more for you Acro.
Obvious in Fruity Day 1 - trolly and disengaged. I had a mafia read on him night 1 there. Improved thereafter
LX - started off badly, but improved as the game went on, engaged.
Hydra - made literally 3 or 4 posts. All of them completely timid, none containing opinions, no lightheartedness, no trolliness, just bland no-opinions
Here - more engaged, less scared to post and put his opinion forth. Not pathetic.
Does this make him definitely town? No, but it's certainly enough for me to leave him alone today. You're getting your meta-panties in a twist for no reason. Get off your dumb tunnel/high horse about me because it's really really boring.
My feelings towards the shot align with Acro's, I don't get it from any perspective, except 3p which we don't have :x
Although my filtering last night got interrupted by somewhat too much wine, I also agree with Acro/sinani on Nisani. I agree with what Acro said above about the 'timeliness' of his prplhz read. The kicker for me is this "scumbait" thing about Smurf/Dandel. I've read that case a few times and it simply doesn't come across like that at all. It doesn't seem like a natural mindset for a townie to take. It implies that Nisani actually already *knows* Smurf is town, and therefore his 'atrocious' case must be scumbait, rather than the more natural townie suspicion of maliciousness or simply bad play. Especially given at the time we had s&b's prplhz case, which looked much more scumbait-y.
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On March 27 2013 22:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
marv tell me why you think snb is town.
I don't particularly
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On March 27 2013 22:14 prplhz wrote:
I'm not really sure about this Nisani201 thing because last time I played with him he played like this too. He never seems to have that "drive" that just about all players on this subforum has so I think we should really consider this more strongly than just saying "he's almost as bad as that drplhz guy". sinani206 seems emotional but in an aggressive and indignant way and that seems townie of him even though I don't think he's shown the classic sinani206 trollish behavior. Maybe he's just not that into this game and he only joined because he was invited (which was why I asked that fucking question).
that's not why I think Nisani is mafia
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