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marv's argument for why sinani is town seems pretty compelling and i want to lynch somebody if at all possible | ||
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On March 28 2013 11:49 Hapahauli wrote: @ SnB Can you describe to me how you go from "ACRO = SCUM"... ... to oh hey I'll vote the guy that he's pushing... no worries! so i haven't gotten up to date with the thread yet but i thought i would answer this part there's a few things. (1) when I made that post criticizing acro, I wanted to draw people's attentions to the post that I quoted and express that I thought it looked bad. If I had a strong overall scum read on acro, that would be a singularly bad way of letting the thread know about it. (2) Even if I did have a strong scum read on acro, that doesn't make his arguments invalid. I could be wrong, and statistically probably I am; he could be bussing; etcetera. Like, if I really thought acro was scum I should pay extra attention to his arguments in order to analyze his point of view in them. (3) You're kind of misrepresenting the situation with the voting as well. Acro's participation in the nisani push had little to do with my decision to vote for him. I explained my reasons in the post you quoted - the only realistic lynch options were sinani and nisani; I was kind of persuaded by Marv that sinani was more likely to be town than sinani, and I didn't want a no lynch, so I voted for sinani. so yeah | ||
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(1) he threw his vote around at the start of the game but most of his filter just feels more "focused" than I would expect. One guy at a time, really pushing. This is what I would expect out of either a town-organizer type or a bad-townie who thought he caught a scum slip, but acro doesn't fit either of these models. This is also what I would expect out of a decent scummer. (2) the reasoning for voting nisani was scummy as fuck - "ignore your terrible meta arguments, he's being anti town!" There's nothing actual scum love more than Ace's patented "you're hurting town" lynch. (3) he keeps using the word "Scumspect", I want to cut a hole in that word's flesh and dildo it. (4) one of his three big bullet points on why ish is scum is that his reads have been wrong. again, super scummy logic. On the other hand, there is some stuff I like in his filter too. Specifically, i feel like his suspicions on marv made sense, as did the fact that he backed off them a little bit when marv got more involved, and the fact that he still hasn't backed all the way off, as he well shouldn't. | ||
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On March 29 2013 05:11 prplhz wrote: i might be wrong but i think sinani cohosted palmar's first game (which was also my first game) okay back to reading yeah i forgot you and sinani and nisani because you tend not to say many things. well mostly that's true for them, idk why i forgot you. w/e | ||
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Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why: (1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning. (2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now" (3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it. So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On March 29 2013 05:59 Acrofales wrote: I'm used to you being biased against me, but I'm not used to you being this bad at it. 1) Nonsense. 2) The meta was rubbish. You should know, you've played with Nisani. He has a very similar style as both scum and as town, so trying to give him townie points for style is rubbish. That Hapa was right in hindsight doesn't change the fact that the meta was rubbish. So that leaves "what have you done and why have you done it this game?" which I thought was scum motivated. 3) My scumspects are scumspicious. 4) /facepalm. You didn't even read that bit did you? The main point of that bullet was his dodgy reasoning for voting for Nisani. 1 is just a gut feeling, im not expecting it'll persuade anyone else. but 2 is not nonsense. Hapa was making specific distinctions between how nisani plays as scum and how he plays as town, and you were just brushing them off with the non-responsive argument "he's lazy and scummy looking as both alignments." That's not a real thing. as for 4 i assumed the sentence with the big bolded colored words was more important than the supporting sentence which followed it, my bad. you still made the argument that he's scum because his scum reads have died and flipped town. | ||
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On March 29 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote: This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from? ah now we have the "my play was scummy because i am bad" card | ||
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On March 29 2013 06:12 Hapahauli wrote: Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now? maybe he's a DT and doesn't want his check to get framed? Maybe he's scum and is going to kill you so he doesn't have to answer your question because we totally aren't going to make him answer this exact same stuff whether or not you're dead? maybe he thinks scum will kill him if his reads are correct? (this one is unlikely) | ||
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On March 29 2013 06:09 Acrofales wrote: My problem with calling SnB scum outright is that I don't see that much difference between here and Personality. He was slightly more confident in his reads, but SnB is never particularly active on D1. If he starts giving good insights from now onwards, then he's probably town. If he keeps doing nothing except calling Drazerk and me scum, then he's scum. When he's scum he is eternally butthurt over HRM. When he's town he eventually gets over it. this is actually pretty accurate. being butthurt over hrm is a really good excuse not to have real reads when im scum. the drazerk thing is not alignment indicative though. i will rage at him as either alignment. it's like we have a special bond <3 | ||
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On March 29 2013 06:15 ObviousOne wrote: So you're Dismissing that your last minute vote switch attempt to me didn't have any real drive or purpose? FotM is tasty after all. if by "last minute vote switch attempt" you mean "one sentence" then yeah it didn't have much drive seeing as how it was only one sentence however it did have a purpose - just to get people thinking about you and how you're probably scum | ||
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On March 29 2013 06:17 Hapahauli wrote: With the DT thing, you should almost never check your scumreads or people you think you can get lynched. You should be checking null reads. Whaddya think of our buddy prplhz anyway? well he doesn't look particularly great, but it feels like it's because he isn't going out of his way to do conspicuous things that would garner towncred. like, i prefer someone who just plays and doesn't try super hard to look townie over someone who really focuses on how he's perceived. Also, it's true that he's kind of bumping in and out of the thread at random, but when he does it seems like his positions make sense and i can see where he's coming from. | ||
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On March 29 2013 06:30 ObviousOne wrote: 1) how was my tone scummy? I wanted to push a lynch I believed in. Wade Fell is my hero in this regard, I want to be the BH someday. 2) grubbing for towncred? - pointing out where i'm right? please tell me how the D1 lynch could have went more poorly if we had started consolidating and making the late D1 cases halfway through the day instead? - did I say this town sucks? I don't recall insulting everyone in the game 3) effort versus content? - well since my early reads were bogus and I never talked them out, I've taken Keirathi's advice to heart and am willing to TALK ABOUT SHIT before I go full throttle on someone - calling my cases bad right at the end (there's your "bad play versus scum play" response from me) He's essentially claiming that my tone makes me scummy. That's what this boils down to. this doesn't actually answer my points. 1- I explained why the ryan case was scummy in an earlier post and my filter isn't so long - the weird "seed" thing aka the "look guys i'm so self-consistent" stuff is the thing that stuck out to me the most. 2 - that's not what i'm referring to. 3- this point isn't something i can really learn more about by talking to you, it needs other people to read over and see what they think of my interpretation. | ||
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On March 29 2013 06:59 Keirathi wrote: In case I die: strongandbig: Has literally done nothing. Completely overplayed the "Dandel is spamming" thing, and spent half of his filter talking about it. The biggest thing, though, is his scum reads. He's literally only had 2 the entire game (grack and Nisani), and both were 100% sheeps. He even came in and argued with Acro while I was asleep about why my points on Grack were valid. Then said "I could lynch either Grack or Nisani". Did nothing to push either one of them though, and when the day was winding down, what does he do? Sheep onto ME. Not try to get the person lynched that he's ostensibly been saying is scum. He's just flowing with the course of town sentiment. lol normally i dont like to omgus but what about the whole prplhz thing also what about the recent post on OO, did you write this up earlier and then not bother to update it? | ||
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On March 29 2013 07:01 strongandbig wrote: hapa did you take a hit? On March 29 2013 07:02 Hapahauli wrote: Oh I was attacked then healed. wheeeeee niiiiiiiiiiiiice | ||
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On March 29 2013 07:08 ObviousOne wrote: I'm voting for Sinani and SNB. lol k | ||
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On March 29 2013 07:10 ObviousOne wrote: I called in the thread first so people don't lose their shit again like when I vote first LOL not why i was lol'ing | ||
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