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On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town.
Yeah I'm actually starting to lean scum on Rayn myself. The seed was planted earlier in my second post when I said that it was possible a tired Rayn could have scum slipped. I don't recall a response to that particular sentence I pointed out, but then again I didn't phrase it as a question.
For reference:
On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote:==Some thoughts on today's action== + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Anyone seeing what I'm seeing here? Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim.
I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. -snip irrelevant portion-
Moving forward in the filter, I see him having scum reads on me and several other people I would consider town at this point.:
On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia?
I'm more null on Nisani but the rest are more town than scummy to me right now. So let's look at what he's brought up against his proposed alternate lynches:
On March 27 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:05 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: (sorry for triple)
To finish the thought, you're really just defending Grack outright without giving me a proper alternative and I don't like it. I just gave you some names who are not you. Oats / Smurf. Why not lynch them? Get off your ridiculous reasoning and tell us why other than 'go look at my filter, I cba to explain it to you' If you dont know specifically why or if you cant concisely put down a few reasons, how could we think of these people as scum? (yes it includes me, no thats not the point) Okay, here is your fucking reasoning:Oats:Oats is calling S&B scum for his bad case and Smurf he is leaning town on for equally bad case. Both of the cases are based on same (apparently false/bad) meta-reads. After being called out does a full 180. Has no scum reads other than slightly leaning scum on Smurf (in that 180). Smurf:Smurf is leaving out stuff that does not speak in favor of his DI case. Stuff that he should have obviously checked. Does defend the case later on when people call him out on it. Can't be any sort of reaction test (rofl Nisani). Other than that this is all he has done: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Cora, you have essentially one read that you've fleshed out, and that read has met significant resistance with the thread. Why don't you give a read on a different player? I know you are capable of this as town, I saw it in Duel. Hop off your tunnel train for a minute and realize I want something more alignment indicative out of you than this attack on rayn. Called Cora out. How is he allowed to tell Cora to do something other than go after me when he hasn't done shit other than an scummy case?
Look at the bolded/red sentence above, in particular. He's giving his full reasoning but he's doing it BEGRUDGINGLY. In what game do we begrudgingly give scum reads? That's pretty scummy to me on its own. Not demonstrating a town mindset IMO. The reads themselves are pretty meh. The only possible original thought I see is his stance on Oats but that's not a difficult thing to do given how easy of a target I feel Oats has made himself.
Finally, resignation:
On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then.
5, count them, five possible targets for today's lynch. That's a whole lot of suspicion for so little build-up. "Let's just lynch anyone!"
How about no.
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Some feed back on my choice words against Rayn would be nice right now. People who are here? Any feedback would be appreciated.
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On March 27 2013 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:13 ObviousOne wrote:
Some feed back on my choice words against Rayn would be nice right now. People who are here? Any feedback would be appreciated. A lot of what you posted against Rayn is explained by him being an active, paranoid townie.
Even the final note? I remember being like "let's lynch for information" long ago but if you say it on TL people will kill you outright because it's bad form, but that seems to be what the last post I quoted suggested.
Even the part where he begrudgingly gives reads? I know that those two points alone don't make him super scummy but they point to a mindset that doesn't exactly have town's best interest in mind.
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On March 27 2013 13:34 Hapahauli wrote:
It reads more as frustration than anything sinister to me.
Aaaaanyway I'll let him speak for himself. My sole objective right now is to get prplhz lynched - thoughts on him?
-P16 delayed-reasoning vote was sheeping Palmar
-Calling Palmar's cases bad.
You guys seem to be spot on.
On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it.
Prp is a good lynch IMO.
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Just woke up and caught up.
If it's between Kei and Sinani I'll go with the former
Keirathi laughed off my suspicions of him early game and I thought that was related to a conversation we had pre-game where he told me to make silly cases. His response was "I've created a monster" and to me it looked like he was simply laughing it off in an offhandedly way -- as if my suspicions were just completely unfounded and terribly reasoned -- which later convinced me to drop it when nobody really commented on it.
As for Sinani I'm okay with lynching him based on participation level this game, the meta stuff doesn't fascinate me too terribly much in his case when I can barely remember he's even playing the game.
Again, I want to lynch Keirathi over Sinani.
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On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:
Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.
Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?
It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.
My town read on you = gone. Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum?? You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure? I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1. It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched. @Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas. Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it. Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up. While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes. And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games.
You want me to sheep you? I can. You've got me here before I've had any coffee. Just say the word man. I need to get that coffee going...
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K I'll switch over to make majority stick.
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Why are all the votes in there for Nisani?
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Like there is literally 1 Sinani vote
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On March 27 2013 05:58 ObviousOne wrote:
In the interests of having meaningful discussion about today's candidates, I would like to see everyone take a stand on who they think should be up for lynch today so we can talk about the candidates and not miss out on the opportunity to hear from people who are in opposite time zones or not able to be in the thread at various points during the day. We're coming up on the halfway point of the day portion and this is the optimal time to switch gears and makes for a good opportunity for any lingering cases yet to be made to get posted in the thread before votes are stuck in useless places due to not being around.
Not a fan of this scenario we are in right now. Of course nobody listens to me. Standard.
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On March 28 2013 05:48 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:45 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 05:58 ObviousOne wrote:
In the interests of having meaningful discussion about today's candidates, I would like to see everyone take a stand on who they think should be up for lynch today so we can talk about the candidates and not miss out on the opportunity to hear from people who are in opposite time zones or not able to be in the thread at various points during the day. We're coming up on the halfway point of the day portion and this is the optimal time to switch gears and makes for a good opportunity for any lingering cases yet to be made to get posted in the thread before votes are stuck in useless places due to not being around.
Not a fan of this scenario we are in right now. Of course nobody listens to me. Standard. "i told you so guys if you'd listened to me we would be so much better off right now guess i'm the towniest townie around" just like that case from before.
Instead there was a fucking argument about Marv's read on me that felt like it went on for five pages. So yeah. Dubs Tee Effs.
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K I switched to Sinani as well. I don't have a strong read on Nisani so I'm not as enthused about voting for him over Sinani.
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On March 28 2013 06:18 Palmar wrote:
Didn't Grackaroni have some kind of a mason role too, with this "circle of friends" stuff?
The exact specifics of the role were not really in the role description but yes, it looked like a mason circle thing that could grow.
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On March 28 2013 06:18 sinani206 wrote:
OO ninja vote with 40 minutes left in the day ok.
I just posted, relax son.
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On March 28 2013 06:20 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 06:18 ObviousOne wrote:On March 28 2013 06:18 Palmar wrote:
Didn't Grackaroni have some kind of a mason role too, with this "circle of friends" stuff? The exact specifics of the role were not really in the role description but yes, it looked like a mason circle thing that could grow. The OP specifically mentions an expanding Mason Circle of people of any alignment.
I read the OP like whenever I signed up-ago, it is kind of light on setup though.
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On March 28 2013 06:32 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't really know who else is mafia. I was thinking Cora was suspicious but he's probably not scum.
I'll have to look things over.
Guys
Guys
Lol this is the right person to lynch.
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On March 28 2013 06:39 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 06:37 ObviousOne wrote:On March 28 2013 06:32 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't really know who else is mafia. I was thinking Cora was suspicious but he's probably not scum.
I'll have to look things over. Guys Guys Lol this is the right person to lynch. Since when the hell are you suspicious of Nisani?
Does this not read to you as he's still suspicious of Cora
There's no reason, NONE, right now, if you've read the thread, to worry about Cora. Zero.
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On March 28 2013 06:40 strongandbig wrote:
anyone want to try and lynch obviousone in the next 20 minutes?
Did someone hear something?
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On March 28 2013 06:42 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:On March 28 2013 06:39 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 06:37 ObviousOne wrote:On March 28 2013 06:32 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't really know who else is mafia. I was thinking Cora was suspicious but he's probably not scum.
I'll have to look things over. Guys Guys Lol this is the right person to lynch. Since when the hell are you suspicious of Nisani? Does this not read to you as he's still suspicious of Cora There's no reason, NONE, right now, if you've read the thread, to worry about Cora. Zero. I don't know what you're reading at all. He says he was suspicious of Cora.
So he literally brought NOTHING new to the table. And you are okay with this?
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