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On April 03 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:49 Hapahauli wrote:On April 03 2013 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 03 2013 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:On April 03 2013 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: If prplhz isn't lying about his role and gave a gun to sinani this/last night we have just lost the game after tonight i'm saying... Scum do not have 2KP. Where are you getting this from? They've only shot one player the last two nights. Unless they've been withholding it for some reason, which is nonsensical. So Palmar was not double stacked? Y U so sure about that? Or that prplhz didn't kill Palmar and is scum? Palmar wasn't double-stacked 'cause I got shot and saved N1. It is no doubt possible that prplhz killed Palmar, hence the plans being speculated in-thread right now. So scum has 2 KP somehow then. Because i am not scum, this means prphz/sinani must be mafia.
I see your point, but I doubt it's 2 global KP. Might be a 1-shot vigi or something.
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On April 03 2013 11:25 Keirathi wrote: Wait wait wait wait.
Hapa: paraphrase your hit message from night 1.
Along the lines of... You were shot then healed.
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On April 04 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hapa: Are you able to get into the Mason QT in 4 hours from now?
Uh yah, what about it?
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Okey. I'm on my phone, but I could talk some
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Rayn is claimed town with an additional win-condition in the Mason QT. I'm still parsing it a bit, so I'll give more complete thoughts soon.
+ Show Spoiler + 144 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:53 PM ET (US) You can do it if you want. I'm not going to do that because it makes the game much much more difficult to win for the town.
143 Hapahauli 04-03-2013 01:48 PM ET (US) Well I'll be up-front. You can claim your role, or I can do it for you. Like yourself, I'll be playing to my win-condition, and that means making all information available in-thread.
142 Hapahauli 04-03-2013 01:47 PM ET (US) Well if you claim in the thread, you have a chance. Maybe not a good one, but a chance.
But honestly, your argument as presented doesn't go over very well. You're basically telling me that you win with town, but you're going to screw over town unless you get what you want.
141 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:46 PM ET (US) I don't really want you to do anything, because i think there is nothing that can be done. I'm just telling you this because if you live past night you can tell the town who shot Cora so they do not have to be guessing.
140 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:45 PM ET (US) I pretty much can't convince the town because they are already convinced that is the best strategy. I can't claim, because it gives more opportunities to mafia. And nobody will believe me anyways because i am not "confirmed". Which is kinda silly because nobody is confirmed (except Keir/Cora to me). I think there is even a little chance that OO just misread something in his N1 results and marv is scum. I don't think marv's ideas have been pretty good after N2.
139 Hapahauli 04-03-2013 01:41 PM ET (US) So what do you want me to do then? There's nothing I can do about it. Your only shot is to convince the town yourself.
138 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:40 PM ET (US) "Well if you get shot and don't shoot a townie, mafia loses. "
I know but i can't possibly win. Because when i get shot there is like 1% chance there are 2 deaths the next night phase and mafia had to shoot both Keir/Cora. I have to rely on so many things happening only one possible way it's really really impossible for me to win if i don't shoot now.
137 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:38 PM ET (US) Because honestly, that would be the best strategy whoever of us three is/are mafia. There is no harm in doing so. But town telling people to shoot town is just retarded, because if someone can honestly say "raynpelikoneet has proven his role and yes, there is a chance he is playing that stupid as mafioso" they are incredibly dumb.
136 Hapahauli 04-03-2013 01:37 PM ET (US) Well if you get shot and don't shoot a townie, mafia loses.
135 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:36 PM ET (US) That's why i have been so in favor of prplhz giving the gun to a vanilla townie last couple of days..
134 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:33 PM ET (US) I thought about claiming this but i came to conclusion that either: 1) noone is going to believe me and i get mislynched and mafia wins, or 2) i become a mafia weapon
So it's pretty much a lose-lose situation for me and the town. :/
133 Hapahauli 04-03-2013 01:30 PM ET (US) Well the only way you're not gonna get killed tonight is if you convince the town to leave you alive.
132 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:28 PM ET (US) But if i bring this up in thread, mafia knows im telling the truth and adjust their kills. After all they know what they can do and they could find a way to somehow manage to win even with 1 KP (mislynch me, make some bullshit shots so i have to shoot people). I think my best bet is that mafia kills one of you/Keir and me. I obviously kill Cora because you/Keir are much more valuable. I HOPE i die and mafia shoots Keir, then they have 1 KP the following night and they kill you and marv + s&b lynch the remaining mafia.
131 Hapahauli 04-03-2013 01:26 PM ET (US) And I will bring his up to the thread if you don't... No hard feelings, but if you're intent on playing to your win- con to the bitter end, I'll do the same.
130 Hapahauli 04-03-2013 01:24 PM ET (US) Huh that's weird. Well there's not much I can say really. It looks like you've made up your mind to shoot someone, so w/ e.
Your best shot is to bring this up to the thread. I can't be of much individual help
129 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:23 PM ET (US) I'd appreciate if you didn't talk about this in thread whatever happens because i basically become a mafia weapon if they know about this.
128 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:19 PM ET (US) The thing is i have a special victory condition. I win with the town but I can't win unless all the PM-guys are dead @ endgame. I am not going to play against my wincon even if it makes the game much harder for the town. So basically as prplhz is going to shoot me i have to shoot one of you three. There is no way for me to win if only one of you dies tonight and i die.
So it's going to be LYLO the next day and ggnore if scum have 2 KP the following night (assuming 3 ppl die tonight).
I have thought about this the whole day and i can't find a better solution for me to win as i'm going to die tonight.
127 Hapahauli 04-03-2013 01:15 PM ET (US) What's up?
126 BLFG 04-03-2013 01:10 PM ET (US) Hey Hapa tell me when you are around.
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It doesn't mean that prplhz has to do anything. It means that you should convince us you're telling the truth.
Floor is yours.
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But there are two things I take issue with:
1) One of your primary reasons for not claiming was because "Mafia could use the information to their benefit." However I don't see this at all. The only way this makes sense is if mafia was planning to NK Cora, and will all respect to him, there's no way he'd be getting shot over marv, Kei, or myself.
2) Your appeal to me makes very little sense. You claim you have a town-wincon, but propose screwing over the town because you want to fulfill your alternate win-con. It's not very coherent.
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If you're telling the truth about your role, that's really unfortunate, because that should be considered a 3rd party role (of which none should exist in this game).
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If we lose this game on power roles, then w/e.
We found the scum, and if the setup prevents us from killing them over and over again, then I don't really care.
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That's the weird thing. Like we definitely know he can (with Acro + Grack), so I'm not sure why I'm still alive.
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On April 04 2013 04:23 marvellosity wrote: Here's a thought that'll blow your mind - what if he is MAFIA with the wincon of killing all masons, meaning he had to kill Acro?
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Wait what? Marv needs to post his last thoughts thing.
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Random 2-hour early night deadline is fun.
GG GL HF.
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