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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 28 2013 17:15 GMT
#1456
EBWOP *stupid, sustained argument with me
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 28 2013 17:17 GMT
#1460
On March 29 2013 02:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Can you give me some context about scum-Acro's said "stupid, sustained argument"?


no, you mis-read, or I mistype. When Acro is silly (MTG, Duel) he's town. When there's a complete absence of such emotion and only measuredness, he was mafia (Personality). Here he had a massive long argument with me over OO's meta, which I've put in the silly thus town column.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 28 2013 17:21 GMT
#1462
On March 29 2013 02:19 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 02:15 marvellosity wrote:
EBWOP *stupid, sustained argument with me

Talking about that... what do you think of OO?


I don't know at the moment, I need to read him closer. My broad brush opinion is that he's become more involved as time goes on and thus more likely town, but I haven't read his arguments that he's made very closely at all, tbh. If I'm alive tomorrow (or actually later, when I'm home I guess) I will. My last note on him is "leave until tomorrow".
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 28 2013 17:25 GMT
#1464
On March 29 2013 02:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
I need to re-look at reyn/prplhz/OO I guess, but they're all getting more useful as the game goes on, and not less useful, so I don't know where that will take me.


Anyway marv, I'm interested to hear you follow up on this before the deadline.

Also, why isn't Oats on that list? I view OO more townie than him right now.


It's not going to happen, like I mentioned yesterday I have a chess match to complete this evening so the time I'd usually have is munched away.

I've had Oats as fairly strongly town all game. In addition, and this is probably a terrible terrible reason, but Palmar said he was very unlikely to be mafia, and if Palmar is town I trust that judgement, and if he's mafia I don't think he'd say such a thing about his scumbuddy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 28 2013 17:29 GMT
#1466
On March 29 2013 02:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 02:25 marvellosity wrote:
On March 29 2013 02:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I need to re-look at reyn/prplhz/OO I guess, but they're all getting more useful as the game goes on, and not less useful, so I don't know where that will take me.


Anyway marv, I'm interested to hear you follow up on this before the deadline.

Also, why isn't Oats on that list? I view OO more townie than him right now.


It's not going to happen, like I mentioned yesterday I have a chess match to complete this evening so the time I'd usually have is munched away.

I've had Oats as fairly strongly town all game. In addition, and this is probably a terrible terrible reason, but Palmar said he was very unlikely to be mafia, and if Palmar is town I trust that judgement, and if he's mafia I don't think he'd say such a thing about his scumbuddy.


Ange777 in Rockband.


Do your research, Ange went from null to somewhat scummy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#1468
On March 29 2013 02:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 02:29 marvellosity wrote:
On March 29 2013 02:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 29 2013 02:25 marvellosity wrote:
On March 29 2013 02:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I need to re-look at reyn/prplhz/OO I guess, but they're all getting more useful as the game goes on, and not less useful, so I don't know where that will take me.


Anyway marv, I'm interested to hear you follow up on this before the deadline.

Also, why isn't Oats on that list? I view OO more townie than him right now.


It's not going to happen, like I mentioned yesterday I have a chess match to complete this evening so the time I'd usually have is munched away.

I've had Oats as fairly strongly town all game. In addition, and this is probably a terrible terrible reason, but Palmar said he was very unlikely to be mafia, and if Palmar is town I trust that judgement, and if he's mafia I don't think he'd say such a thing about his scumbuddy.


Ange777 in Rockband.


Do your research, Ange went from null to somewhat scummy.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=60#1195

I played in that game ya know.


Huh, you're right. Honestly I didn't get that far in the filter. These are the posts I picked out:

On September 18 2012 23:05 Palmar wrote:
ok I've caught up.

Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread.


I will deny!
iamperfection
Hapahauli
blazinghand
Palmar

Junglers
Zephirdd
Mementoss
bluelightz
prplhz
Ange777
mkfuba07

5 carries on your team
Marvellosity
HiroPro
austinmcc


On September 20 2012 19:06 Palmar wrote:
For the record, I don't think mementoss is scum. I agree with almost everything said in this post, aside from lynching me. But it's fine, I don't intend for this game to reach lylo.

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote:
okay prplhz list of reads:

town:
iamperfection
blazing
zephirdd
hapa
mementoss
palmar

townie/null:
austinmcc
mkfuba07
bluelightz

scummy:
ange777
hiropro

scum:
marv

remember to lynch palmar at lylo


[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 28 2013 17:41 GMT
#1470
On March 29 2013 02:39 Hapahauli wrote:
I mean of course the circumstances are different, but Palmar calling Oats town is a pretty terrible reason to think he's town. I think Palmar also defended a scum Blazinghand in Bureaucracy Mafia. Any other reasons for the Oats town-read?


I already said it was pretty terrible, so you don't need to tell me. I'm lazy so I'm just gonna copy-paste what I have on Oats.

I quite like his mostly unexplained vote on s&b to start with - shows that he didn't feel the need to justify it like mafia would. Calls Palmar a prick. I like that. Stands his ground, makes me smile. Yeah I see no reason he's mafia at all really. Pushes a really influential player in Palmar, not sure he'd be so ballsy as mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 28 2013 17:58 GMT
#1472
On March 29 2013 02:46 Keirathi wrote:
Mornin', all.

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 20:07 marvellosity wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:51 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:35 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:30 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed.

Looking back through your filter, did you really use "Keir is saying ':o; a bunch" as evidence of me being scum?

Like, I talk to you on IRC quite often. I always use stupid emoticons. How was that even relevant AT ALL? Would be like me calling you scum for saying 'dear'.


(ok I'm still here temporarily)

This isn't IRC, and at least I hadn't noticed/remembered you doing so like you have here in other games, and I thought it was odd, so I mentioned it.

You know better than to make stupid ass arguments like that. What gives?


Like I said, I mentioned it because I found it odd, and it was at most a small detail in my case against you, which didn't revolve around that at all.

Anyway I really am off now

It's not about "revolving" around it. It's that you included it at all.

Hell, for the sake of argument, I went back and ctrl+f'd through my games for ':o'. I had a grand total of 1 instance in scum games (when I was arguing BL on the last day of GSL 3), and like 40'ish instances in my town games. And you, better than anyone, should know that I use emoticons in casual conversation.

So, to me, that whole point was 100% an appeal to emotion. It had 0 basis in fact, and was only there to make you case look better.

Do you not see why that is scummy as fuck?


Nope, because I didn't have to include it in my case if I were 'fabricating' it, as it doesn't add anything in particular.

But you WERE fabricating it. And you did include it.

You're right, it doesn't add anything, though. Which in itself is the problem. I've never seen you use something so objectively NOT alignment indicative to try to strengthen a case. And even worse, you threw it in while knowing that I use silly emoticons all the time in casual conversation, yet refused to even check my filters from the database to see if I used them as scum/town. I mean, you know how to use the database, since you talked about looking through Grack and sinani's games. Do you just not know how to ctrl+f?

I don't believe that. I believe you were just lazy and lazy marv != town marv.

K, finishing reading what I missed while sleeping.


You're blowing something completely irrelevant totally out of proportion (much like the :o, delicious irony). Like, that was my introduction to what I thought about you (ok, it was faulty). It had next to zero bearing on the case in general.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 01:20 GMT
#1657
Of course, I suddenly have 4 votes.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 02:49 GMT
#1660
On March 29 2013 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Ball's in your court marv. You've been more passive this game than I've ever seen from any of your town-games. Time for you to play some town-leader.


No.

I'm willing to get lynched this game just so I'm not always expected to play town-leader when I don't want to.

I've pretty much been as forthcoming about everything as I could possibly be during the last phase, so if town is expecting some "town leadership" from me then I'm already dead.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:02 GMT
#1663
On March 29 2013 11:59 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 11:49 marvellosity wrote:
On March 29 2013 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Ball's in your court marv. You've been more passive this game than I've ever seen from any of your town-games. Time for you to play some town-leader.


No.

I'm willing to get lynched this game just so I'm not always expected to play town-leader when I don't want to.

I've pretty much been as forthcoming about everything as I could possibly be during the last phase, so if town is expecting some "town leadership" from me then I'm already dead.

What the fuck.

That's not even the fucking argument. I'm not calling you scum because you're not in here bossing everyone around, being all town-leader-y. I'm calling you scum because you haven't cared enough to do ANYTHING. You have weak scum reads and almost 0 pressure on them at all. You don't have to be a town leader to have an opinion and push it.


I pushed Nisani and singlehandedly made a good enough case on you that people wanted to lynch you. I've made my opinion clear on most players in the game, and the reasons behind it.

Saying I haven't done anything is just incorrect and rude.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:06 GMT
#1665
Then lynch me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:08 GMT
#1667
Then why are you complaining about it? *shrug*
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:13 GMT
#1669
Disappointing is having ~200 posts in a game with reasonably little spam, full of my (often incorrect) thoughts about other people, full of me clearly caring what happened around the lynch, and being lynched for being "passive" or "useless", when there's sinani, s&b, and Smurf in the game.

I don't have a plan, I kinda like the idea of getting lynched on my birthday.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:21 GMT
#1671
Maybe. prplhz should explain his vote, though. It's enough for me to fully rescind my townread on him, especially given he's basically defended s&b and Smurf. The problem with a prplhz-mafia idea is that it would mean a Smurf-mafia hard-defended him on meta, which seems really unlikely.

I'm not even particularly sure Smurf is mafia anymore.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:31 GMT
#1674
If I was certain enough in my reads to want to lead town, I would do so.

There's very little point in us having this conversation about my ego or confidence or town-leaderishness. You clearly don't accept what I'm doing in regards to that, and I don't think there's anything to say that won't leave you sitting there feeling very uncomfortable about it, so there's no point talking about it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:34 GMT
#1675
I have no idea whatsoever why you're being this aggressive with me, Kei.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:38 GMT
#1678
I've already answered that this game and I don't know why you're asking me to rehash it.

Well, I hope you're getting your kicks Kei.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:42 GMT
#1680
I don't really care, I think I've made it pretty explicit I'm not that bothered with fighting this lynch.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 29 2013 03:44 GMT
#1683
I don't want anything from you, and I clearly have been putting in effort.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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