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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 12 2013 20:34 GMT
#11
/in
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 12 2013 20:44 GMT
#13
On March 13 2013 05:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
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On March 13 2013 05:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
/in


o.O

OP says no smurfs >_>
As soon as I look that up, I'll tell you if I'm one.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 12 2013 20:47 GMT
#14
K, from what I can tell, a smurf is an alt account. I can assure you, I just opened my first account a few minutes ago. I've only ever lurked.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 03:52 GMT
#98
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 12:56 GMT
#106
On March 22 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit.

It's pretty interesting you say this. How do you propose we actually get the game going if everyone acts like this?

Well ironically, it seems like my post helped get the game going . I wasn't implying that I'd just sit back and not post @ all. Just saying that I don't know much insight I can offer untill I see more from everyone. I really just wanted to tell u guys that I would most definately not be a lurker.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 13:09 GMT
#108
On March 22 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you feel like you have to tell people you won't be lurking when nobody is even accusing you of lurking?
Why so defensive? Afraid of something?

Nobody specifically accused me of lurking, true. But there was like 3 posts telling people people to stop lurking or something similiar. Since I was one of the people who had yet to post (plus I have a vote on me), I thought I'd tell people that they needn't worry about lurking from me.

I figured that'd be better than just posting a meaningless "Hi guys, I'm in the game"
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 13:29 GMT
#111
On March 22 2013 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of the other posts after yours. Is there anything that stands out?
No, nothing stands out to me because aside from you, no one else has really posted anything with any actual content. And your posts all seem fine to me.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 13:41 GMT
#113
On March 22 2013 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's my point. There are three votes on people already and nobodywonder's FoS on you.
I find it really odd that people post about Harry Potter stuff when there actually is something to talk to. That doesn't really qualify as "get the game going", does it?

No it doesn't. When I said my post seemed to "get the game going", I was refering to the FoS and your post questioning me.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 13:53 GMT
#115
OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy:
On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling.
Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me.

Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 14:40 GMT
#124
- Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place.
The other thing it can do is set that townie up when the scummy eventually gets lynched and turns up red. Like his teammates can point out "Look, he defended jarjar" after he turns up red.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 14:41 GMT
#125
I think TheRavensName is mafia.
me too
##Vote: TheRavensName
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 19:48 GMT
#165
On March 23 2013 04:26 Frorgon wrote:
@ray

The point I was trying to make was that Raven pointed out jarjar as potentially suspicious, and then later in the same post backed off and said that the behavior could possibly explained. It's a scum move to give the appearance of suspecting someone in order to look useful, only to avoid committing to it later on. in the same post.
The impression I got was that you realized your scum buddy made a pretty scummy post and got called out on it. So you made sure to call him out as well while @ the same time trying to cast suspicion on me by implying that we were teammates:
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On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass?
Why would you accuse him of trying to cover for me when I had just called him out on his post?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 20:30 GMT
#169
On March 23 2013 05:06 Frorgon wrote:
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On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy:
On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling.
Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me.

Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't.



So keep in mind what you said here jarjar. Now why would Raven suspect you and then soft defend you if he is scum and you are not? If you're town wouldn't he just push for your lynch?
I feel like the reason for that should be obvious.

Scum doesn't want to be responsible for lynching a townie but he still wants a townie lynched

So basically he points out that I'm suspicious and hostile hoping to maybe influence some people and get me lynched. Then when I turn up green, he doesn't look suspicious because he "defended" me and can go after one of the people that voted for me.

I would think that the best result for mafia is getting a townie lynched with the least amount of scum voting for that person.

And notice that he still left himself an out so he could go back to voting for me if the situation required it. He said he sees "no reason to punish it till after other people show up."
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 22 2013 21:31 GMT
#176



On March 23 2013 05:42 nobodywonder wrote:
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On March 22 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think TheRavensName is mafia.
me too
##Vote: TheRavensName


sup Jar Jar, what's with this vote? what kind of evidence is this? this is weak town play/kinda scummy: it seems like this kind of thinking: oh herp, ray thinks raven is scummy; oh i think so too => sheep vote. it's interesting/suspicious, since more or less you have identified some scummy behavior, but still only quote a sentiment...
my FoS has upgraded to a Hand of Suspicion HoS on you.


You're taking this out of context. Yeah this was one post but I had made several prior to this post already stating my reasons. In fact Ray voted for raven based on my initial read of his post.

I stated why I thought Ravens post was scummy. Then when ray posted his analysis which confirmed what I was thinking, I stated that I agreed with him in believing Raven is mafia. Not sure how you can interpret that as a sheep vote.


JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 23 2013 00:32 GMT
#188
Here's Frorgons 2nd and 3rd posts of the game:

On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass?

On March 23 2013 04:16 Frorgon wrote:

@Rainbows

I wasn't necessarily suspicious of Raven. I was trying to provoke some more discussion, because up until that point there hadn't been much. I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me.

Does that first post sound like someone that's trying to provoke discussion or sound like someone accusing people of being scummy? It seems to me that Frorg is clearly trying to imply scumminess. But he's saying that he was just trying to get a reaction, which maybe would be believable if his next post wasn't this:
On March 23 2013 04:26 Frorgon wrote:

@ray

The point I was trying to make was that Raven pointed out jarjar as potentially suspicious, and then later in the same post backed off and said that the behavior could possibly explained. It's a scum move to give the appearance of suspecting someone in order to look useful, only to avoid committing to it later on. in the same post.
Huh? I thought you just said that your comment was to provoke discussion, NOT because you thought Raven was scummy?


So while I'm still suspicious of Raven. I don't think he looks as scummy as Frorgon does.

##Unvote: TheRavensName
##Vote: Frorgon
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 23 2013 22:03 GMT
#215
@Frorgorn, you still haven't responded to this. Can you explain why the 2 posts responding to ray and rainbows contradict each other?
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On March 23 2013 09:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Here's Frorgons 2nd and 3rd posts of the game:

On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass?

On March 23 2013 04:16 Frorgon wrote:

@Rainbows

I wasn't necessarily suspicious of Raven. I was trying to provoke some more discussion, because up until that point there hadn't been much. I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me.

Does that first post sound like someone that's trying to provoke discussion or sound like someone accusing people of being scummy? It seems to me that Frorg is clearly trying to imply scumminess. But he's saying that he was just trying to get a reaction, which maybe would be believable if his next post wasn't this:
On March 23 2013 04:26 Frorgon wrote:

@ray

The point I was trying to make was that Raven pointed out jarjar as potentially suspicious, and then later in the same post backed off and said that the behavior could possibly explained. It's a scum move to give the appearance of suspecting someone in order to look useful, only to avoid committing to it later on. in the same post.
Huh? I thought you just said that your comment was to provoke discussion, NOT because you thought Raven was scummy?


So while I'm still suspicious of Raven. I don't think he looks as scummy as Frorgon does.

##Unvote: TheRavensName
##Vote: Frorgon

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 24 2013 17:48 GMT
#238
On March 25 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The worst part is we should have definitely lynched Krafla. There is no question about it. Now everyone just gave him a free pass from D1. That's so incredibly dumb.
Ray, I think I've been on the same page as you most of this game. But I have to disagree with you on this one. I was online @ the deadline and could have switched to Krafla. But giving him a free pass from day 1 wasn't a concern of mine. I voted Frorgon because I thought he was the most likely to be scum. And while Kraflas one post was pretty terrible, it wasn't enough to give me a scum read. @ least nowhere near the read I had Frogorn.

When you voted for Krafla, was it because you thought he was the most likely person to be scum?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 24 2013 18:23 GMT
#242
On March 25 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you were online, why didn't you say anything after the flip?
Why did you wait until now to come up with this?
For one, I was also under the impression night phase talking might be frowned upon. But also, I didn't really see the need to say anything. I was only responding to your post to say I disagreed w/ you about how not giving him a free pass was a good reason to vote for him.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 24 2013 18:50 GMT
#245
On March 25 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Krafla does not contribute on D2, are you willing to lynch him in the end of D2? If yes, then why didn't you want to lynch him in the end of D1?
As I said already, I didn't vote for him because I thought Frogorn was more likely to be scum. I can't tell you exactly what I'm willing to do @ the end of day 2. If Krafla doesn't contribute again than he's certainly someone I'm gonna suspect. But if I have a better scum read on someone, than that's where my vote is going.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 24 2013 19:19 GMT
#247
On March 25 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you are basically giving someone an option to hardcore lurk if you just find someone more scummy?
In a manner of speaking. But if he continues to lurk how he has been (especially w/ all the FoSing that I'm sure will be headed his way come daytime) then I doubt anyone else will appear as scummy to me. But you never know, someone could make a real bad slip up.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 25 2013 14:32 GMT
#272
I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm leaning town for raynpelikoneet and Rainbows. If either (or both) of them are playing a real deep game and I'm just not seeing it then so be it. People that try to drive alot of discussion, read town to me.

So while it's possible that Fishgle was chosen to make ray/rain look bad, my guess is the mafia just wanted a sure kill since he was pretty unlikely to be healed, plus he might also be likely to be targetted by a cop which would be a bonus. Maybe they were hoping for some collatoral damage on ray/rain but I doubt that's what drove the decision.

However, I'm not so sure that they'd go ahead and kill someone that was probably gonna make a juicy lynch target for the next day unless they were figuring there were already some townies likely to be lynch targets the next day. Raven and Virtu were both pretty big suspects throughout the day yesterday and Krafla made himself look pretty bad @ the end of the day. So I'd find it hard to believe that there's more than 1 scum out of those 3.

So that leaves nobodywonder who's pretty much disappeared. I haven't been crazy about any his posts so far. Rainbows points some of it out above. Plus he accused me of sheepvoting for Raven yesterday which I clearly wasn't doing.



##Vote: NobodyWonder
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 12:49 GMT
#290
On March 26 2013 14:29 nobodywonder wrote:
your whole case against is based on town confirmations
My whole case isn't based on town confirmations. I'll try to break it down again:

Yes, I'm reading ray and rain as town for now. They're putting their opinions out there, trying to get other people to state their opinions and making logical conclusions. Yes I realize that people can play scum well and appear to be a townie but this is a noob game so I'm gonna assume this isn't the case for now.

So the 2nd part of my case is based on the night kill. I think you'd agree that if Fishgle didn't get hit last night, he'd be a prime lynch candidate for the town today right?

So now let's look @ the other 3 people that looked likely to be lynched going into the night: I'd say it'd have to be (Raven, Virtu and Krafla). If there was more than 1 scum out of those 3, do you really think they'd take the fishgle lynch off the table?

That leaves just you NW. So you're right, the bulk of my case is not based on whether or not you're acting scummy. Though after I came up w/ my conclusion, I reread your posts and tried to find something that sounded like actual scumhunting. I didn't see a thing that looked like a townie posting.

So tell me what in my case seems off to you:

Do you think I'm wrong about Ray or Rain? Why?

Do you think that there's a flaw in my analysis about the Fishgle hit? In other words: Do you think that Fishgle seems like a likely hit if there are multiple scum among Raven, Virtu and Krafla?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 12:51 GMT
#291
On March 26 2013 14:29 nobodywonder wrote:
your whole case against is based on town confirmations, and I don't that is qualified when you haven't had great reads and the use of town confirmations can lead to holes or other issues.
When you say I haven't had great reads, are you referring to only my read on Frorgon? Otherwise, how would you know how good my reads have been on anyone else?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 13:43 GMT
#293
On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia.
I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 14:37 GMT
#299
On March 26 2013 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia.
I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase.


That's what i felt like too, but nobody really said so, so people who are not reading observantly may have missed it.
Yeah, I guess it seems like he wasn't as likely to be lynched as I remember. So that does put a hole in some of my reasoning.


On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu?
Actually we're waiting on anything from virtu. He was supposed to post in 5 hours like a day ago. I don't think we can let him continue to ignore this thread. If he's town, he done nothing to even appear as if he's trying to help.

So based on those 2 things, I'm gonna:

##Unvote
##Vote: virtu
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 14:47 GMT
#301
On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him.
I'm hoping voting for him forces him to post. Then if I like what he has to say, I'll switch off of him.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 15:15 GMT
#308
On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:
You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel.
How does me switching my vote to Virtu make your vote on him more useless? If you think Virtu is scum, I just made it so he's more likely to be lynched. Like, if the votes are split evenly, what makes the votes on Virtu more useless than the votes on the other people?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 15:32 GMT
#309
On March 27 2013 00:06 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:
On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.

virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw

So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu?

Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him.


You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel.

Right then, I'm going to switch my vote

##Vote: TheRavensName

I've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best.

I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two?


Are you daft? I'm not going to vote for virtu when he hasn't responded to my stuff... that's just unreasonable. I need him to respond to my cases on him if anything. NW is the one voting for TRN to get his ass out of the water and appearing in the thread while not doing a whole lot.
Wait WHAT? You're not gonna vote for virtu because he hasn't responded to you? Well I guess if he's scum he should just not respond to you then huh?

More importantly, what are you waiting for him to say exactly? Are you somehow not sure if he's scum anymore?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 15:55 GMT
#311
On March 27 2013 00:34 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 00:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 27 2013 00:06 Rainbows wrote:
On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:
On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.

virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw

So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu?

Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him.


You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel.

Right then, I'm going to switch my vote

##Vote: TheRavensName

I've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best.

I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two?


Are you daft? I'm not going to vote for virtu when he hasn't responded to my stuff... that's just unreasonable. I need him to respond to my cases on him if anything. NW is the one voting for TRN to get his ass out of the water and appearing in the thread while not doing a whole lot.
Wait WHAT? You're not gonna vote for virtu because he hasn't responded to you? Well I guess if he's scum he should just not respond to you then huh?

More importantly, what are you waiting for him to say exactly? Are you somehow not sure if he's scum anymore?


He hasn't even shown up and attempted to do anything. I'm giving him TIME.
Time for what though? To explain himself better? Do these posts really seem like they're from someone that is gonna be able to be talked out of thinking Virtu is scum:

On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote:
Holy crap you're scum.

On March 23 2013 02:07 Rainbows wrote:
If nobody see's how scummy that post was by Virtu, you're blind.

On March 23 2013 22:18 Rainbows wrote:
Virtu best lynch USA

...

- virtu posts paragraphs that do nothing to further towns agenda.
- virtu doesn't hunt scum all game, and refuses to.
- virtu openly sheeps with zero original thinking, but we should be suspect of lurkers.

virtu best lynch right now, gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch.

On March 23 2013 22:27 Rainbows wrote:
In short, vote virtu win game.


I mean, yesterday we vote virtu to win the game. Today you're not gonna vote for him because it's unreasonable to do so without first giving him time to respond?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 17:28 GMT
#316
On March 27 2013 01:57 TheRavensName wrote:
Your case seems to be against RAinbows Jarjar, why are you not voting for him over Virtu?
I legit wanted a response from him because it seemed fishy to me. While I'm not crazy about his answer, he's certainly not my top suspect though I'm not reading him as townish as I was. And honestly Virtu isn't my top suspect either, but I want him to post.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#320
On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read?
I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 18:33 GMT
#327
On March 27 2013 03:24 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 02:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read?
I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up.

If you couldn't decide why would you have voted for NW, and why didn't you do that before you swapped toVirtu?
I made my case on NW. Ray then pointed out a flaw in it which I acknowledged. So while it doesn't negate my whole case against him, he's probably not my top suspect anymore.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 18:45 GMT
#332
On March 27 2013 03:36 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 03:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 27 2013 03:24 TheRavensName wrote:
On March 27 2013 02:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read?
I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up.

If you couldn't decide why would you have voted for NW, and why didn't you do that before you swapped toVirtu?
I made my case on NW. Ray then pointed out a flaw in it which I acknowledged. So while it doesn't negate my whole case against him, he's probably not my top suspect anymore.

You also said you didn't think Virtu was scum either so.... Again this brings the question of why Virtu to the table.

Because I don't want to give him a pass on lurking. I thought allowing people to lurk was bad. If he's scum and can get away w/ lurking then why wouldn't he? Unless he thinks he's gonna be lynched, he really has no reason to even post anything.

And I didn't say I didn't think he was scum? I said he wasn't a top suspect of mine. It's not like I can get any type of read on him if he's not posting.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 18:49 GMT
#333
And yeah, I'd really like to hear Kraflas explaination of his Cop statement because I really can't figure that one out.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 26 2013 20:11 GMT
#344
On March 27 2013 04:59 Krafla wrote:
You're missing my point TRN. I'm calling you out because there are no one shot roles in this game. Now if you want to deny that your first post is a breadcrumb, that's fine, but it looks awfully like you're fake claiming from the start.
OK, Krafla, let's just say that you actually believed that those random words in TRNs post were breadcrumbs for a one shot cop (as ridiculous as that is). You know for a fact that there are no one-shot roles in the game. Why not bring it up earlier? Why even ask him to name his night one target? You have him caught already.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 00:13 GMT
#371
On March 27 2013 09:10 Krafla wrote:
If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is.

##Unvote
Vote: nobodywonder

##unvote
##vote: Krafla


Pretty sure Krafla just outed himself here.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 00:18 GMT
#376
Dude changes his vote to someone saying that if he flips town, he knows who the mafia is. Is there any doubt that he's gonna flip town now?

What is you reason for voting NW Krafla?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 00:49 GMT
#393
Doesn't a tie not help right now? Otherwise I'd have moved already.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 00:52 GMT
#395
##unvote
##vote: TheRavensName


But that still means NW gets lynched correct?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 01:11 GMT
#409
Thanks for the help Virtu.

Rainbows is Scum, Raven is Scum, Krafla is scum or just terribad. If theres 3 mafia then we need a hero heal tonight plus we need all need 3 townies to vote real fast tomorrow. Probably unlikely w/ virtu deciding not to play the Fn game.

So let's hope that we just have 2 scummies and 1 terribad townie.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 02:13 GMT
#424
So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive.

If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.

So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 02:34 GMT
#427
On March 27 2013 11:22 TheRavensName wrote:
Hey Jarjar... what makes you innocoent? You voted for the mislynch both days too. You just hoped off twice on Day 2 so that it wouldn't look like you were involved in it and then jumped back onto me at the last second so you could look like your pushing for me with Ray.

Yeah, ur right, I'm suspicious as fuck. You guys should probably leave me alive tonight cause u could probably get me lynched tomorrow because of how scummy I look.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 12:00 GMT
#428
On March 27 2013 09:10 Krafla wrote:
If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is.
Who's that?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 18:05 GMT
#432
On March 28 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive.

If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.

So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu.

What makes you think any sane scum would hit virtu tonight if he is town?
If they have 3 scum which seems possible, then all they need is one succesfull kill and they win. It doesn't matter who they kill so they'd go for the easiest shot.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 27 2013 19:31 GMT
#435
On March 28 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are six alive. What makes you think the game is still going on if there are three scum?
Because if we stop an attack w/ a heal or roleblock. We can still win a tie tomorrow if we vote fast enough. I know that seems unlikely w/ Virtu as one of the townies, but that would be a reason the game could still be going on w/ 3 mafia.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 28 2013 00:53 GMT
#439
So if someone dies and the game doesn't end that means there's only 2 scum. One is Raven. He's needs to be autolynched tomorrow. Then whoever is alive needs to figure out whether or not Rainbows or Krafla is the other. Right now I'd say it's Rainbows but I really don't see how any of those 3 could be town. They exposed themselves @ the end of the day yesterday pretty bad and I find it hard to believe they would do that unless they knew that they could win the game w/ just a kill.

By the way, that move was only made possible by the complete screwing over of the town by Virtu. So thanks for that. Are you planning on playing anymore cause I'm pretty sure we need ur vote?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 28 2013 01:03 GMT
#441
##Vote: TheRavensName
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 28 2013 13:02 GMT
#453
Ray. What do you think of Rainbows?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 28 2013 13:46 GMT
#455
On March 28 2013 22:36 TheRavensName wrote:
Jarjar and you have been gunning for me for a while so killing me is a poor choice

This statement only makes sense coming from someone that knows that Ray and I are both town.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 28 2013 18:05 GMT
#467
##Unvote
##Vote: Rainbows



While I'm still pretty sure Rainbow and Raven are the baddies, I think there's a slight chance that rainbows and ray have had me bamboozled the whole game.

So while it's possible for Rainbows to be scum and Raven to not be. I don't see any situation where Raven is scum but Rainbows isn't.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 28 2013 23:21 GMT
#481
There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu is the GF...
What about if Raven is the GF? How come that's not a possibility?

Virtu, the reason he said that you might be the GF is he left himself an out just in case you counterclaimed Ron. There's absolutely no reason for that sentence not to be: "There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu or Raven is the GF..."


I guess there's no reason not claim now since the game is about to be won or lost based on this lynch. I'm Hermione Granger . I dare you to counterclaim Raven.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 02:01 GMT
#511
How can anyone beleive this claim?

Rainbows, you go off for all of day 1 about how Virtu is Scum. How if we lynch him, we win the game. How we "gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch". You wrote his name in red several times. He's obviously your top scum read. So you do what any cop would do that @ that point. YOU INVESTIGATE SOMEONE ELSE. And not just anyone else, YOU INVESTIGATE SOMEONE THAT YOU DEFENDED THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

Virtu, please tell me you don't actually believe that a cop would investigate his top town read as opposed to his top scum read????
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 02:07 GMT
#512
On March 24 2013 01:05 Rainbows wrote:
I can agree with you on fishgle. But imo raven just seems emotional and not nonsensical. Virtu is making sense, if thats how you want to put it, but that sense is anti-town from what ive seen.

^^His last post of day 1^^

No one can really believe that a cop goes ahead and investigates raven and not Virtu @ this point? Who investigates to confirm their town read? Like how can anyone even consider that to be true?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 02:35 GMT
#515
Lol @ calling out your ridiculous roleclaim with completely valid questions = me flailing

On March 29 2013 11:16 Rainbows wrote:
Virtu had the likelihood of being modkilled for not voting, checking him could have been a mistake D1.
Oh ok, then WHY DID YOU CHECK HIM ON NIGHT 2? Did him not voting day 2 somehow make you think he was less likely to be modkilled then him not voting on day 1?


By investigating Raven I was sure that A) I was correct in my read and B) Knew the motivations of Ray.
A) More Lawls @ using your cop ability to confirm a town read instead of going after scum. Just hilarious.
B) How could you know what Rays motivation is based on raven? You don't think it's possible for a townie to accuse another townie?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 02:44 GMT
#519

On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim?
Have I given any reason not to believe it?

You have made no attempts to prove it
How in the world could I prove it?

you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you
Why would I have claimed it before?

and you haven't given us a protection list.
I don't get how giving out who I targetted could help prove anything but sure I guess. I targetted Ray and Virtu.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 02:54 GMT
#521
On March 29 2013 11:44 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim? You have made no attempts to prove it, you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you, and you haven't given us a protection list.


Bro, he needs time to doctor (pun intended) a protection list.
I never even considered a protection list as something that should come w/ a roleclaim since it tells the mafia who I can't kill the next night. But yeah I guess it doesn't matter @ this point since the game is pretty much gonna be decided on the lynch today.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 02:58 GMT
#522
On March 29 2013 11:52 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:

you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you
Why would I have claimed it before?



It's lylo. Everyone should claim right away, because you need to lynch scum. Confirmed town = pretty good thing to have.



Bed time.
So then why did you wait almost a whole day to claim?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 03:04 GMT
#526
On March 29 2013 12:00 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:

On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim?
Have I given any reason not to believe it?

You have made no attempts to prove it
How in the world could I prove it?

you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you
Why would I have claimed it before?

and you haven't given us a protection list.
I don't get how giving out who I targetted could help prove anything but sure I guess. I targetted Ray and Virtu.


Well it proved if you are medic... you picked the worst person to pretend to doctor night 2. Should have said Ray again. Virtu doesn't make sense with how late in the game it is.
Oh trust me, I would have protected Ray again but I can't target the same person 2 nights in a row. I wasn't crazy about picking Virtu but I had the rest of u guys as likely scum. He was what was left.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 03:15 GMT
#528
On March 29 2013 12:10 TheRavensName wrote:
Oh yes that convenient little list. Why include yourself if your the medic?
Is that a real question? Obviously to keep myself alive. It worked pretty well since it forced you guys to kill one of my suspected scummies.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 11:47 GMT
#532
On March 29 2013 19:36 virtu wrote:
Also comments on Rainbows use of his Cop checks, specifically on me, when half of his filter is spent trying to get me lynched on D2. Yes, it is true that Rainbows also went after me pretty hard, but the difference is you BOTH "used your roles" on me, and simply put a cop check after trying to get me killed makes so much more sense than tunneling me all day, sheeping off me onto nobody wonder, THEN TARGETING ME WITH YOUR MEDIC ABILITY?!?!?



Look @ these posts:
On March 27 2013 10:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Rainbows is Scum, Raven is Scum, Krafla is scum or just terribad.
On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.
I clearly thought the only townies were you, me and ray. I cant target myself and I cant target ray a 2nd night in a row. You were my choice by default. I know it didn't seem like a great choice but I felt it was the only one I had.

I even tried make it sound like attacking you would be a good idea for the mafia:
On March 28 2013 03:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive.

If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.

So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu.

What makes you think any sane scum would hit virtu tonight if he is town?
If they have 3 scum which seems possible, then all they need is one succesfull kill and they win. It doesn't matter who they kill so they'd go for the easiest shot.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 12:46 GMT
#533
On March 29 2013 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
virtu do you think it's possible that both of the claims are true?
Same question for you Ray.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 13:20 GMT
#536
On March 29 2013 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, i think it's impossible.

K just making sure. Not that I'd think you'd make such an obvious scumslip but I figured I'd ask,

So if you're town then you know one of us is lying. I'd really like to hear what you think about both of our claims.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 14:52 GMT
#554
On March 29 2013 22:18 virtu wrote:
JarJar moved his vote to TRN here, meaning at some point during this day he's voted for every single other person that has had a vote, I can't bring myself to believe this is town play, voting for 4 different people when there aren't even 4 mafia?
You're looking @ things through a vacuum. Read the entire day and see how things went down and you'll see how my votes made sense:

I voted for NW after making what I thought was a decent case. The case kinda fell apart as the day went on cause it relied on 2 things:

- that Fishgle was a likely lynch candidate for the day which Ray pointed out to me that the Fishgle suspicion mostly occured after the action deadline

- that Ray and Rainbows were both town. As the day went on, Rainbows started looking scummier and scummier.

So I moved off of NW and on to you. Surely you can't blame me there right? You hadn't voted/posted/done anything. And I wanted to get you to respond.

So then w/ like an hour left in the day Krafla makes one of the scummier posts I've seen. After having his vote on raven for a while, he decides to listen to a raging Rainbows (who I'm already reading as scum @ this point) and change his vote to NW stating that if he flips town, he'll know who the scum team is.

So then I switched to Raven @ the end of the day because thats where two votes were and I was pretty sure NW was town @ that point. I knew it was unlikely to do anything since it only tied it, but maybe someone would switch or maybe you'd show up last minute. Like I said, it was unlikely to help, but there was literally no reason not to switch @ that point.

So maybe me switching my vote around around a bunch wasn't that great in hindsight. But it all made sense @ the time.

And no matter what happened. Nothing makes Rainbows cop claim look legit whatsoever. Like I get that this is a noob game, but a cop investigating to confirm his town read is the dumbest thing imaginable.

Virtu, say I'm a bad townie all you want. But you're saying that you believe a cop would actually investigate to confirm town. How can you even consider that to be true?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 15:19 GMT
#563
On March 29 2013 23:56 TheRavensName wrote:
I don't understand why you talk like the way you do... your acting like you've been playing mafia for the longest time ever, this account is brand new.
It's my first game on TL. I've played a bit elsewhere but the roles were very different. But I am capable of reading and the cop role here is to catch bad guys. If a cop investigates someone and expects them to flip green then he's playing it wrong.

@Virtu like I said, you may think I played bad as a townie. But (assuming you're the townie) the game is going to be decided by you. And believing Rainbows cop claim is just so much worse than bad play you can accuse me of.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 15:31 GMT
#567
@Virtu How do explain what I said here:

On March 29 2013 08:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu is the GF...
What about if Raven is the GF? How come that's not a possibility?

Virtu, the reason he said that you might be the GF is he left himself an out just in case you counterclaimed Ron. There's absolutely no reason for that sentence not to be: "There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu or Raven is the GF..."


Why would he suggest that you could be GF and not Raven? The only answer that makes sense is that he listed you, me and Ray as the possible scums because if one of us counterclaimed him, he could just say "Well that person must be scum".
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 15:39 GMT
#568
I mean, how is that not a slam dunk? What other reason could he have for suggesting that you could be the godfather but not suggesting that Raven could?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 17:18 GMT
#572
your terrible prot targets
Who do you think I should have targetted N1 and N2?


You don't know what a smurf account is, you've only opened your account a few minutes before this game, but you're certain I'm a worse player than you for believing Rainbows claim over yours.
Yep. I don't you'd need more than a basic understanding of how the game works to see that Rainbows claim was BS.


"Hey guys, I won't lurk once people do the work for me and i can sheep onto a lynch" ...continued below
I'm sorry. Tell me again how not voting or posting for a week is the right way to play the game.



Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think TheRavensName is mafia.
me too
##Vote: TheRavensName


..."like this".

Me too, great reasoning and case there. By the way - the ACTUAL reason you voted for him was becuase he thought you were scummy and voted for you, basically an OMGUS vote.
Ok, I guess I can't respond to you when you're just making stuff up that never happened.

Like geez, it really sucks when people play the game and don't contribute for days on end, but you'd hope they actually read the thread. Like this is an outright lie. Raven never voted for me prior to my vote for him. In fact my vote for him was because he defended me. Please go back and reread the thread because its frustrating talking to someone that has no clue what actually happened in the game.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 29 2013 17:35 GMT
#574
On March 30 2013 02:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So why isn't Ray suspicious when he was defending you?
Wait, are you saying that you agree w/ Virtu about my vote for you being an OMGUS vote or are you trying to bring the focus off of the fact that that's untrue?

But to humor you, point me to whatever post of Ray defending me you're referring to.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 30 2013 00:14 GMT
#582

\sigh

I figured you changed your vote cause you decided to RTFT. No such luck I guess?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 30 2013 05:09 GMT
#631
GG y'all. Well played mafia.
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