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On March 16 2013 17:23 sciberbia wrote:
I've got some stuff to say about geript



The first possibly important thing I noticed in the thread. The phrasing of the first sentence as a question instead of a statement seems a bit odd to me. It's like he's saying "Would you find this explanation acceptable?" rather than "This is the explanation." Seems unnecessarily passive and ingratiating.


This rubs me a bit the wrong way. Seems like a crummy reason to go to bed. People accuse you of being mafia so you go to bed? What? Also, seems like he's almost providing an 'excuse' to leave the thread.

Overall, leaning scum on geript.

I don't think it is especially likely that zarepath and geript are both scum. If zarepath and geript actually were scumbuddies, I think there is an excellent chance that geript would have either gone through with the RNG vote (with the knowledge that it is very unlikely to lead to a lynch and with the devious hope that town would later get confused by WIFOM), or just drop the RNG thing all-together.

On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I believe I promised I'd give my thoughts on Vivax/TPS:
Vivax's defense of me notwithstanding, I'm not so sure this was a slip. Meta reads are going to be something I will not be very good at until I play quite a few more games with all of you guys, so I can't look back at Yamato and try to find out if Vivax's claim is legitimate. I'm not sure why he would be so confident as to flat out call him Yamato in one sentence and the back off a little saying 'I think' in another, it's a very odd way of doing it rather than flat out asking 'Are you Yamato' or simply saying 'I think TPS is Yamato.' Either way the 'slip' itself seems null, as is Vivax's defense on me; his points ring true (and I'm happy people actually notice me for once) but obviously there are both scum and town motivations for doing what he did.

As for TPS, I'm having a hard time because I actually enjoyed his setup speculation (even though I know that's something that is generally frowned upon) and his early pressure on Coag is something that I would have gotten behind if I weren't fucking terrified of having the wrath of every vet in existence on top of me for 'not knowing how Coag usually plays.' I said it in an earlier post, Coag doesn't look great to me, but I'll trust the townies who seem to know him.
Now TPS's pressure in my eyes really depends on whether he is a smurf or not imo. If he is, I would think that he would know exactly how Coag usually plays and so this would seem like an agenda to me. If he's not, he is legitimately pressuring and pushing a read on a player who looked (at least up until he started posting more frequently and usefully) scummy. So null on TPS for now until the smurf idea is resolved.

I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle; call that scummy if you wish but having never seen one in a game before I have no idea of their risks or benefits and it just seems manipulative to me.

Vote: Darthpunk

On March 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha wow I guess I really do have to be more careful what I post in these games...I make mistakes wayy too often that get seen as scummy. I guess it's good that people are pointing this shit out 'cause I didn't notice, and eventually I'll stop fucking myself over with these mistakes.
I dunno, not much to say about that. I'll blame it on lack of sleep due to 3 month old baby.

On March 20 2013 01:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok found it.
It's the timestamps that bother me.
Between BH and GK, (the ones Vivax suspects of being a scumteam-fabricated QT/logs) every single post has a fairly decent size berth in between; the smallest one being 3 minutes right at the end, the next smallest being 5 minutes (2-lines) and every one after that being 12 min or longer in between posts. This means that it's POSSIBLE that they were fabricating these posts in the scum QT in between. This isn't possible in the VE-BH logs, as there is evidence of free-flowing quick conversation taking place with multiple 2-minute spaces in between posts from both of them.

Also of course the fact that they didn't even start contacting each other until much later in the day either means
a) they were planning in the scum QT
b) BH didn't send his mason request till late (can be a subset of (a), null)
c) he's telling the truth and DrH didn't set up the QT until later.
The post where Vivax outlines the slip makes option (c) seem VERY odd so the scummier options seem more likely here.


Now this could all be Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ but I figure it's worth putting out there to see what people think.

On March 17 2013 11:06 Wade Fell wrote:


He stopped posting 2 hours before the first vote on GK went down, but it's been like 18 hours since then. Where is he? He still hasn't weighed in on Geript either, and Geript was under pressure while he was posting in thread.

If he comes back, says he's been gone for 18 hours like grooming a chicken or whatever and he has serious thoughts to give, then I may rethink things. But as it stands, simply straight-up lurking and not posting is NOT a defense for his actions.

On March 17 2013 11:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I actually kind of get the feeling that Peashooter's just new, but like Kita was saying, and you're implying, if he's a smurf that goes out the window, because he could just be pretending to be new while being experienced.

I think I need to wait for him to post some more to get a more solid read.

On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote:
Will your thoughts on him be the same if he's gone for another 6 hours, wiggles? What if he's gone for the rest of the day?

On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote:
I too am highly interested in how he will respond to my case and wat's taken place in town since his "departure"

but he is almost certainly a smurf, since the account was created yesterday.

On March 17 2013 11:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

I have someone else in mind for the lynch, and then a vig can just get rid of him if possible. He has to post sometime.

On March 21 2013 13:14 sciberbia wrote:
OK we really need to consolidate. I have no idea what the votecount is at, but I'd imagine there are still several votes on VE and Wiggles. For those of us who don't like those two candidates, we need a candidate to consolidate on. ace/GK/testsubject have all been thrown out there, but there are disagreements. Personally, I'm nullish on all 3. You guys have given meta reads on all 3 that I could choose to trust in, but as far as in-thread evidence, I'm nullish.

Is ANYONE in the thread right now not at least leaning scum on cosmicomics?

Look at how he goes about scum hunting D1:






First of all, he doesn't do any scuhunting when he originally enters the thread. Then, we he was ASKED about DP, he sheeped onto an IMO shitty case and voted him. Respond to question and get your vote down. Two birds with 1 stone amirite.

Then, he unvotes DP when the wagon loses steam with almost nonexistant reasoning for thinking DP isn't scum anymore:



He was continually saying how DP was scum and lying about some stupid shit at the start of the game. But now suddenly DP is stubborn and townie. And VE's case wasn't even the reason CC was voting DP in the first place. VE posted his case after CC voted DP twice.



This post scummy as mentioned by others.

Finally, on D2, CC's big contribution was a massive case on VE. And VE has been the focus of discussion all day. But where is CC? Not here talking about.

I pose my question again:
Is anyone not at least leaning scum on CC

I think that is a very important quality in a consolidation candidate.

On March 19 2013 22:15 TranceStorm wrote:
Hmm. Some thoughts.

I'm inclined to trust Wade Hand. Like scib had said earlier, it would be much safer for a scum mason to simply a) not mason anyone or b) pretend to mason one of his teammates due to the flip of GM.

As per his case on TPS, I've become more and more convinced after reading through TPS' justifications for voting for GM. It is interesting to note that TPS spends more time talking about how he thinks zarepath is scummy. Personally, I think that TPS 'let it play out' over the GM situation so that he couldn't be nailed over strongly leading the GM lynch as he tried to do with Coag. I'll vote for TPS right now.

My opinion on DoYouHas has retracted somewhat. I don't think he's been 'attaching himself to arguments' as I had said earlier anymore.

Also, Wiggo is still super-scummy in my eyes. His behavior during the GM lynch was really bizarre, but the single post I had highlighted earlier isn't sufficient to make me vote for him. I want to see his analysis today.

On March 22 2013 19:14 glurio wrote:
Nice shot.

I looked through WFs early filter:

This interaction looks like scum communicating with scum. (Wiggles and WF)

+ Show Spoiler +

To me this piece of conversation does not look natural at all. It looks to me as if both are treading around very carefully, which is quite unlike WF. On top of that all the other points already raised on wiggles by other people.

Sadly his filter doesn't give too much. He was always hardcore tunneling either TPS, TestSubject or VE basically the whole game. I will probably read it again when i'm less tired.

I also looked through Vivax's filter, he most likely hit GK with his shot. I could find no breadcrumbs to a sciberia hit, while GK was quite often the focus of his attention.

Vivax's scumreads were: zarepath, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, goodkarma, DYH, Trancestorm

Upon reading on his last few posts his focus at that moment was CC, GK and DYH.

In sciberias filter we can find a strong scumread on CC + Show Spoiler +.

So after reading this i would go after the following people in this order:
cosmicomics: Both Vivax and sciberia were suspicious of him at the end of the night. High likelihood of being scum.
wiggles: weird interaction with Wade Fell, top that with all the cases already against him and we got ourselves a very scummy looking wiggles
TranceStorm: + Show Spoiler + He defended Wade Fell and called Wiggles super scummy, after the WF flip now this looks really scummy but i also believed Wade Fell with his blue claim so i can't damn him really.
DYH: vivax was after him so he has reasons to kill vivax, but i'm not quite convinced here and actually had a strong town read on him.

My top scumread right now is cosmicomics.
I don't think DYH is scum but he should be questioned further.
I don't think TranceStorm AND wiggles are scum. But wiggles looks scummier right now.

On March 24 2013 03:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Hmm I was planning about writing a case against TranceStorm, but there isn't much sense in spending time convincing everyone that a dead man was mafia.

In response to Wiggles, you act as if I just decided to switch over to GreYMisT without mentioning him at all. I expressed a scum read on him several times, but of course you choose to ignore this. I was the first one to attack him for his "trap" when he returned to the thread and you referenced my questioning of this trap several times yourself in your own decision to vote GreYMisT so surely you should remember this. Rather than respond to any of the reasoning I've brought up against you, you decide to quote a few one-liners at a point where I had worked a 12 hour day and had no free time. Now, rather than voting your strongest scumread, you've decided to push the only alternative for your own survival. The reads you provide are non-specific, something I'd expect from a mafia player who is about to flip, but doesn't want his reads to be used against him. Not much more to say here.

For tomorrow, someone I think we should be looking at is glurio.

To start the game, he posts suspicion against coag, stating that coag is useless, without actually calling coag scummy.





Rather than actually voting for coag, he votes for DP, a player he never actually mentions in the thread. It's not like DP was more of a lynch-able candidate as there were only 2 votes on him. During the first cycle, he never actually mentions GreYMisT, which is significant considering he was the main lynch candidate for the day.

He soft defends BH, without actually providing a reason why he doesn't have a scum read on him. With the day two vote, he votes for Mocsta as the lone vote. At no point in the cycle does he try to convince others to vote Mocsta, only that he was going with his "gut". After the BH flip, he explains how BH's interaction with Wiggles is scum-to-scum conversation, yet decides to vote cosmicomics.



Glurio complains that no one listens to him, but on day one and two there was actually nothing to listen to. How are we supposed to be convinced by his posts if his only explanation is his gut?

Overall, Glurio feels like an observer this game, looking to stay under the radar and lacks the town motivation to push a lynch. It seems that he cares more about survival and doing his own thing, voting for players that have no chance of being lynched. He would be a good lynch candidate tomorrow.