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On March 10 2013 06:24 Promethelax wrote:
I love this idea doc. I'm signed up for two games and coaching a third though, once things settle down I'll be as in as in can be. For now put me down as a /replacement but I will switch to in once personality and hydra end.
This. /replace into /in as possible.
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On March 14 2013 03:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 03:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you'll get hit or lynched before the game starts well that's not very enticing is it
LMAO
/in fo riz
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No GreY plz you know how I rage...
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I'm surprised half of that list isn't in already, even with recent dormancy.
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/out
Large games too hard.
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On March 16 2013 10:19 Coagulation wrote:pussy
Don't even bitch.
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I do what I must for the good of the town.
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Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed?
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I'm presently taking applications to join my "Super Awesome Scumhunting Team". If anyone is interested, please indicate so in the thread by using the command ##Apply: SAST
All applicants will be considered, but be warned that effort toward the scumhunt will be strongly taken into account.
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Coagulation thank you for applying. After going over your filter, I regret to inform you that you haven't participated in the town's hunt for scum enough to be admitted into the SAST at this time. I encourage you to do your part for the town and sniff out the scum, and then apply again at a later date. Thanks for your time!
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Tenets of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team
- Attendance
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team are required to post at least FIVE times per phase, a total of TEN times per cycle. This is a half a page of filter per day. Failure to meet this standard will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
- Logistics
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team will be expected to fill out nightly reports, due before the following Dawn phase, outlining all of his findings for the day and his most recent "Lynch List". Failure to submit this report will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
- Compliance
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team will be expected to vote with the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team at the end of each day unless directly specified otherwise by VisceraEyes. Failure to do so will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
Here at the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team, we're out to find and destroy Mafia. We have a variety of programs designed to help you, the aspiring scumhunter, attain your goals of a safe and secure future for the town. Not a member of the SAST? It's easy! Just apply here in the thread using the command "##Apply: SAST"!
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Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!
Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?!
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I'm titillated that BH seems to have sniffed out a scum so early, BH on a scale of 1 to "Bitch Please" how certain are you that The Peashooter is scum?
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Not to mention the fact that he never did use that more complex one. Very interesting indeed sciberbia. Have you given any thought to your future? How about your children's future?
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Honestly it just looks like BH using too many words to say "I don't like this" as he's wont to do. Frankly I didn't like it either, and I look forward to hearing what Peashooter has to say about that post.
Do you think that knowing what the names of the roles MIGHT mean is going to help us find scum?
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On March 16 2013 17:49 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Honestly it just looks like BH using too many words to say "I don't like this" as he's wont to do. Frankly I didn't like it either, and I look forward to hearing what Peashooter has to say about that post.
Do you think that knowing what the names of the roles MIGHT mean is going to help us find scum? So you think BH is more likely to be town for his aggression towards Peashooter?
The way you phrased this is odd...as if you're trying to get me to say that I'll think people are town if they're aggressive toward Peashooter specifically.
Anyway, he hasn't really given any reasoning other than "this is garbage" so I'm not taking it as any kind of tell right now. He hasn't even said that he thinks Peashooter is scum O.O
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Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy.
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Okay here's where it gets interesting. I've labeled the points and address them below.
On March 16 2013 17:33 goodkarma wrote:Let's look at Viscera's "policy post." I disagree with pretty much everything he has to say in his attempt at starting a circle.: Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Tenets of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team- Attendance
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team are required to post at least FIVE times per phase, a total of TEN times per cycle. This is a half a page of filter per day. Failure to meet this standard will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
#1 I'd rather have one good post than five shitty ones. Quantity =/= to quality.
- Logistics
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team will be expected to fill out nightly reports, due before the following Dawn phase, outlining all of his findings for the day and his most recent "Lynch List". Failure to submit this report will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
#2 In other words: "Let's outline who we should lynch when town has no power whatsoever to lynch"... While sometimes situationally okay, it's a pretty dumb policy. Mafia can use this information better than town.
- Compliance
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team will be expected to vote with the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team at the end of each day unless directly specified otherwise by VisceraEyes. Failure to do so will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
#3 Let's not blindly sheep people...
Here at the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team, we're out to find and destroy Mafia. We have a variety of programs designed to help you, the aspiring scumhunter, attain your goals of a safe and secure future for the town. Not a member of the SAST? It's easy! Just apply here in the thread using the command " ##Apply: SAST"! Anyhow, going to bed. Will be back tomorrow. I humbly request we focus on scumhunting. Thank you and good night.
1) I now have ~5 posts this cycle. What I asked for was NOT a high volume of posts. This notion that I was somehow asking applicants to spam the thread with nonsense posts rather than high quality posts is ridiculous, and not even close to what this point was designed to inspire. So strike one.
2) Again, a complete misrepresentation of what I was asking for from applicants. What I'm asking for is a last will post, preferably just before dawn but whenever over the course of the night because players in the SAST will be prime night-hits as they'lll all be obviously town and all voting together. I'm not asking to discuss lynches exclusively at night. Strike 2.
3) A complete misrepresentation of what I was asking. The SAST is an elite core of scumhunters who will no doubt have reached a consensus on who to lynch by the end of the phase. I'm asking no one to sheep, I'm asking for players willing to discuss and agree upon a lynch before the deadline. The last line referring to myself is in case there's any cause to worry about last minute shennanigans and it's necessary to move votes - but I vow that I will be completely transparent in my thought process around this caveat, and it shouldn't be an issue anyway. Strike 3 sir.
Now what I find interesting about his disagreement post wasn't even the fact that he completely misrepresents everything I posted about. The most interesting part of this is how vehemently he disagrees with my idea, yet comes to no conclusion about my alignment based upon it. He doesn't even say it's suspicious - only that he disagrees with everything about it.
##Vote: goodkarma
He's not only actively refusing to show any evidence that he's looking for scum (in the form of reads) but he's also against my super awesome idea of a Super Awesome Scumhunting Team for misconstrued interpretation of my objectives.
Now, the really important part of my post.
The following players are being extended an open invitation to join the SAST based on their performance in the thread.
Mr. Wiggles
DoYouHas
ThePeaShooter
Wade Fell
If your name is in the above list, simply use the command ##Join: SAST in the thread and you'll immediately enjoy the benefits of a full fledged Super Awesome Scumhunter!
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Joke lynching? Did you not see me color your name red? This is a scum lynch baby.
Do you think I'm scum? How would my vote be an OMGUS vote otherwise and if you think I'm scum, where am I on your comprehensive scum list?
It's very serious indeed. I intend to hang you from the neck until you are dead.
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It has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with finding and destroying the scum. 
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Wade you misspelled "##Join: SAST"
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Still there? I just joined it! LMAO My reasoning is explicit.
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On March 17 2013 14:18 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:14 VisceraEyes wrote:It has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with finding and destroying the scum. So you wouldn't mind if people apply without the bold ## command then?
It's bolded for my convenience, but I filter ## so it will pull up regardless.
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On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.
Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game
To be fair, I lynched scum D1 last game. You helped, and your support was appreciated.
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Wade just got told DAAAAAYUM
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I was the other and I disagree. It was easy as fuck. But then, I died N1 so...
Anyway BH I'm intrigued by your ideas and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Tell me more about TestScum so that I may be a believer.
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Oh don't be like that BH Test did exactly what he had to do to win. Bitter. I am disappoint.
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I'd rather he give us his reasoning for geript and zare "lynch preference" (read: not scum reads).
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On March 17 2013 14:33 DoYouHas wrote:What I find suspicious about zarepath is that his suspicions and opinions feel shallow. It doesn't seem to me like he has a desire to delve into scumhunting. The one exception I found to this was when zarepath was questioning Coag in this post.What I did learn from reading zarepath's filter is that he doesn't like people who townclaim, people who discuss the setup, and people who talk about policy (specifically SAST). Almost all of his suspicions so far (Coag exception) are people that have fallen into one of those categories. I'm waiting on zarepath to come out strongly for a lynch candidate and provide his own reasoning, something beyond shuffling the candidate into one of those categories. He almost got there with one of his more recent posts on GK, but backed off it and then left the thread. I agree with Scib's impression of zarepath's first post and how zarepath's dealing with TPS seems inconsistent. I'll be around for the next hour or so reviewing GK's meta before I go to bed, let's talk. ##Join: SAST
Did you notice how he's suspicious of sandroba but agrees with sandroba that Grey is suspicious?
Like if he were town you'd think he'd mention that fact and explain his thought process on being suspicious of both.
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On March 17 2013 14:35 Wade Fell wrote:
I mean, I _assume_ a "lynch preference" is the same as a scumread, unless of course he is scum and would prefer to lynch town
Right, it's just funny how he's all about lynching Coag even if he's town to "punish" him, and simultaneously doesn't call his lynch preferences scum (or give any reasoning for them).
Just a nitpicky psychological thing. May not mean anything.
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Hey Grey is here! Whatchoo think of TestSubject Grey? One of The Team has a hardon for him and I'm looking him over now.
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On March 17 2013 14:40 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:33 DoYouHas wrote:What I find suspicious about zarepath is that his suspicions and opinions feel shallow. It doesn't seem to me like he has a desire to delve into scumhunting. The one exception I found to this was when zarepath was questioning Coag in this post.What I did learn from reading zarepath's filter is that he doesn't like people who townclaim, people who discuss the setup, and people who talk about policy (specifically SAST). Almost all of his suspicions so far (Coag exception) are people that have fallen into one of those categories. I'm waiting on zarepath to come out strongly for a lynch candidate and provide his own reasoning, something beyond shuffling the candidate into one of those categories. He almost got there with one of his more recent posts on GK, but backed off it and then left the thread. I agree with Scib's impression of zarepath's first post and how zarepath's dealing with TPS seems inconsistent. I'll be around for the next hour or so reviewing GK's meta before I go to bed, let's talk. ##Join: SAST Did you notice how he's suspicious of sandroba but agrees with sandroba that Grey is suspicious? Like if he were town you'd think he'd mention that fact and explain his thought process on being suspicious of both. Are you talking about GK or zare?
GK, in his most recent Reads post.
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On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare.
How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys.
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Wait wait that doesn't look the same at all. He gives a shitty summary of their play in this game and in that post he goes into detail explaining why he thinks the way he does.
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Okay, how about his blatant misrepresentation of my post, which is the only reasoning I even gave? What about his attempt to discredit my vote as "joke lynching" and "OMGUS"?
BH...BH bro I need you on the right lynch. And the right lynch is GK right now.
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On March 17 2013 14:49 Wade Fell wrote:
I will note one deviation from meta, though, and that is that town GK typically is asking questions of people and prodding a lot in thread, and this one is not. Still, though, his slow-movingness indicates town GK to me and not the quick-drawing scum GK from LVII
On March 17 2013 13:58 goodkarma wrote:@Viscera:+ Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 13:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay here's where it gets interesting. I've labeled the points and address them below. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:33 goodkarma wrote:Let's look at Viscera's "policy post." I disagree with pretty much everything he has to say in his attempt at starting a circle.: On March 16 2013 17:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Tenets of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team- Attendance
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team are required to post at least FIVE times per phase, a total of TEN times per cycle. This is a half a page of filter per day. Failure to meet this standard will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
#1 I'd rather have one good post than five shitty ones. Quantity =/= to quality.
- Logistics
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team will be expected to fill out nightly reports, due before the following Dawn phase, outlining all of his findings for the day and his most recent "Lynch List". Failure to submit this report will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
#2 In other words: "Let's outline who we should lynch when town has no power whatsoever to lynch"... While sometimes situationally okay, it's a pretty dumb policy. Mafia can use this information better than town.
- Compliance
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team will be expected to vote with the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team at the end of each day unless directly specified otherwise by VisceraEyes. Failure to do so will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
#3 Let's not blindly sheep people...
Here at the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team, we're out to find and destroy Mafia. We have a variety of programs designed to help you, the aspiring scumhunter, attain your goals of a safe and secure future for the town. Not a member of the SAST? It's easy! Just apply here in the thread using the command " ##Apply: SAST"! Anyhow, going to bed. Will be back tomorrow. I humbly request we focus on scumhunting. Thank you and good night. 1) I now have ~5 posts this cycle. What I asked for was NOT a high volume of posts. This notion that I was somehow asking applicants to spam the thread with nonsense posts rather than high quality posts is ridiculous, and not even close to what this point was designed to inspire. So strike one. 2) Again, a complete misrepresentation of what I was asking for from applicants. What I'm asking for is a last will post, preferably just before dawn but whenever over the course of the night because players in the SAST will be prime night-hits as they'lll all be obviously town and all voting together. I'm not asking to discuss lynches exclusively at night. Strike 2. 3) A complete misrepresentation of what I was asking. The SAST is an elite core of scumhunters who will no doubt have reached a consensus on who to lynch by the end of the phase. I'm asking no one to sheep, I'm asking for players willing to discuss and agree upon a lynch before the deadline. The last line referring to myself is in case there's any cause to worry about last minute shennanigans and it's necessary to move votes - but I vow that I will be completely transparent in my thought process around this caveat, and it shouldn't be an issue anyway. Strike 3 sir. Now what I find interesting about his disagreement post wasn't even the fact that he completely misrepresents everything I posted about. The most interesting part of this is how vehemently he disagrees with my idea, yet comes to no conclusion about my alignment based upon it. He doesn't even say it's suspicious - only that he disagrees with everything about it. ##Vote: goodkarmaHe's not only actively refusing to show any evidence that he's looking for scum (in the form of reads) but he's also against my super awesome idea of a Super Awesome Scumhunting Team for misconstrued interpretation of my objectives. Now, the really important part of my post. The following players are being extended an open invitation to join the SAST based on their performance in the thread.Mr. Wiggles
DoYouHas
ThePeaShooter
Wade FellIf your name is in the above list, simply use the command ##Join: SAST in the thread and you'll immediately enjoy the benefits of a full fledged Super Awesome Scumhunter! Is this an OMGUS vote? I find this hard to take seriously. It's one thing to be trolly in the beginning, but "joke lynching" someone is hardly appropriate or at the level of play that apparently you are capable of. I'm guessing there's more to it than this, so please elaborate.
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On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.
I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment.
I got this too. Aside from participating in a little dick waggling with BH I haven't seen much scummy from him either.
What do you think about Sandroba? He thinks you're mightily suspicious apparently.
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No he joined that pack of n00bs with Kita.
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On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game
Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it.
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Well you seem big on meta reads GK. Why don't you go diggin through past games and see what you think my alignment is? That's ALL you seem to care about in forming your read of GreY, in spite of him having opinions and engaging in conversation here IN THIS thread. Yet you're on this paranoid conquest to "make sure it's formed right" without trying to get a read on the guy pushing it?
Here's a question for you: if you disagreed with ALL of my points and honestly believed them to boil down to the summaries you provided, why weren't you suspicious of me for trying to engage this clearly anti-town move for you?
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On March 17 2013 15:24 DoYouHas wrote:
Why would a scum GK put his top two scum reads as GM and Sandro in the post that is supposed to get people off his back? It just doesn't makes sense to me from a scum perspective.
Sandro the hypervet is suspicious of GreY and sandro himself is also hyperlurking. Those are two pretty easy targets to be suspicious of, and there are worse lurkers in the game at the time (namely, me...the President, Executor, Voice and Will of the SAST)
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On March 17 2013 15:31 DoYouHas wrote:
I don't quite follow you. I agree that GreY and Sandro are easy targets separately. I don't think that is the case when you suspect them together unless you are Ryu or agree with Ryu that their interaction was fishy from the start (not a stance that GK took).
Why? What is the difference? He can only vote one of them.
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I'm curious to see what sandroba has to say upon returning. Not quite ready to vote him myself, but I admit that the urge is there. He's pretty open with his thought process usually and I'm not getting that this game. :/
Posts on DYH are...interesting. I'm curious to know where his vote is going to go and why.
Re: ThePeashooter
On March 17 2013 16:17 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:58 DoYouHas wrote:On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote:
Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1. You are just going to have to get over it. We are at a point where we can actively discuss the merits of cases and wagons instead of just hoping that a brilliantly written case will gather enough sheep to lynch scum. It's a good thing. I have no issue with posting content and I never will, even if it means 100 pages in a day. My issue is with posts like this comprising 25% of the last 80 posts. + Show Spoiler [It's fucking long] +On March 17 2013 14:14 Wade Fell wrote:
why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego
I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it On March 17 2013 14:19 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:18 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:14 VisceraEyes wrote:It has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with finding and destroying the scum. So you wouldn't mind if people apply without the bold ## command then? We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.
Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game On March 17 2013 14:22 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.
Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game To be fair, I lynched scum D1 last game. You helped, and your support was appreciated. Ok yes technically it was you, but I would have done the same if town elected me. On March 17 2013 14:23 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:22 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.
Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game Gee I'm sorry that I easily won because only 2 people in the town knew how to try. It's not easy being one of the 2 On March 17 2013 14:24 Wade Fell wrote:
man testsubject ok let me play it straight for you
oatsmaster fucked up my night check and I still got 2 scum lynched (ok like 1.5 whatever) and when I died town had it in the bag. You lucked into victory
lucked On March 17 2013 14:25 Wade Fell wrote:
Also testsubject for a guy who's read the thread and can only say "geript and zare are candidates" you sure talk a lot of smack On March 17 2013 14:27 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh don't be like that BH Test did exactly what he had to do to win. Bitter. I am disappoint. I'm just mad at oats really On March 17 2013 14:35 Wade Fell wrote:
I mean, I _assume_ a "lynch preference" is the same as a scumread, unless of course he is scum and would prefer to lynch town On March 17 2013 14:42 Wade Fell wrote:
Testsubject is basically just making half-assed attacks on the D1 lynchbait kk On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +(like latest Batman movie disappointing  ) . But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt:Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.
On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.
On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.
I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind. Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: JyuhtConsider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat:I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: GolbatYourHarry:I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK On March 17 2013 14:46 Wade Fell wrote:
Like look he LITERALLY calls golbat scummy for the same reason he votes Jyuht. That's not GK setting up a voteswap, that's just how the man thinks. On March 17 2013 14:48 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait wait that doesn't look the same at all. He gives a shitty summary of their play in this game and in that post he goes into detail explaining why he thinks the way he does. Ok yes in NMMXXIV he is more legit. He talks a bit about the play of the people, he's less shitty. But the idea that GK is bad because he's not evenly applying his criteria for scumminess, or that he's scum for having an easy swap is not correct. On March 17 2013 14:49 Wade Fell wrote:
I will note one deviation from meta, though, and that is that town GK typically is asking questions of people and prodding a lot in thread, and this one is not. Still, though, his slow-movingness indicates town GK to me and not the quick-drawing scum GK from LVII On March 17 2013 14:53 Wade Fell wrote:
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I don't like to think I'm wrong about this kind of thing. GK are you here On March 17 2013 14:56 Wade Fell wrote:
Ok here's what I'm going to do
i still think GK isn't scum and testsubject IS scum. I know it's privileging the hypothesis but all the evidence around testsubject points to him being scum, and GK seems off but not entirely off. I don't want to be wrong, but if i'm wrong I want to be voting the right guy
So I'm going to go fluff my komodo dragon's feathers for a bit and think on this. Even though GK's statements all seem scummy his TONE sounds like town GK, and yes I know that's not going to convince anyone but it has me convinced right now. I'll figure out what his deal is and why this is town GK and i'll show you all who's right and who's wrong
testsubject be a man and post some serious case rather than flailing around like you are now if you ever want me not to lynch you today
On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:57 GreYMisT wrote:On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +(like latest Batman movie disappointing ) . But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt:Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.
On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.
On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.
I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind. Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: JyuhtConsider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat:I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: GolbatYourHarry:I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK They are the same structurally, because that's simply how he posts and thinks. That will usually not change between being town and scum. However, a difference I can note is how much more specific he is here, and how he cites specific examples, and tries to convince others that this is the correct choice. In his current cases and thread presnse, I do not get that feeling from him. I get the "Look at my vote and contribution!" feeling :| GK this would be a great time to rise to your own defense or something On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote:
cause I got nothin
really On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it. Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:11 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.
I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment. Pressuring Coag is moot as long as BH is willing to stick his neck out for him, and will be even less effective now that we've vocallized that we're not all that serious about following through with a lynch on him. I don't have as many opinions as others because I'm 16 hours behind everyone else on this game due to my internet being out....
On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way How does this make sense as town? Read the longer post. Every single one of these posts was within an hour and I didn't even select every single post within that specific hour. At some point in life I might actually have to read the guys filter or rest of the damn game.
Wade makes an excellent point about this post. Unlike Ryu who comments on the matter and lets it pass, TPS goes to the trouble of finding and quoting all of these Wade posts he didn't like. Why? What's the point? They're already in the thread once and he's bitching about it. WHY PUT THEM IN THE THREAD AGAIN?
##Unvote: goodkarma
##Vote: ThePeashooter
I could also be convinced to vote for zarepath. He's rattled off 4 people that he's suspicious of, but has put no further effort into expanding his read on them and has given us literally no information to work with. All of his posts smack of "trying to blend in".
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Trance: I care! He's complaining about the length of the thread and BH's frenetic posting, but rather than comment on it and let it go, he quotes and posts BH's posts? It's dissonant - it's like taking a burger back to the kitchen after eating all but one bite of it and complain that it's disgusting. He says himself that there's a full two pages of it not that far back, what is the POINT of quoting everything? "To show how fed up he was" is a shitty answer, and doesn't display a town motivation at all.
geript: I thought I stated that I'm not really reserved about a zarepath lynch? I'm just content with my vote where it is. Zarepath is like...#2 for me right now. Make him #1 and you'll have my vote.
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On March 18 2013 00:38 geript wrote:
Also, do you intend to be giving actual reasons for lynching people or just more random bullshit?
(both at VE)
WTF is this? I've explained my reasoning for every vote I've made. If you don't like my explanation fine, but nothing I've posted has been "just random bullshit".
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Ugh I like Vivax lynch too. Nothing he's said has made me feel townie on him. I'ma go filter him again.
Kita why you hatin on GM? I think he's fine for now, and I certainly don't like him for lynch today.
Where's the beef?
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Coag are you here? Because I want to pick your brain about some things but if you're just gonna go "lol lynch" then I'm not gonna bother. Will you play Mafia with me for a minute?
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On March 18 2013 03:09 Coagulation wrote:
wuts up babycakes
Do you have any reason for wanting to lynch Vivax other than the "scumslip"?
What are your most recent thoughts on goodkarma?
What are your most recent thoughts on TestSubject?
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Actually I want to lynch DarthPunk.
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##Vote: DarthPunk
He doesn't actually think anyone is scum. Says we shouldn't go after lurkers, goes after a lurker. Says he doesn't like a post by GK and defends him, attacks BH for defending GK. The entirety of his play can be characterized as contradictory.
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Mr. Wiggles can you look at DarthPunk please? I think he scummy scum.
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Hoeless you too please, I think this is the lynch. DarthPunk.
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It's the way he's approaching this game. He doesn't seem to care at all about finding scum.
On March 16 2013 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:
##Vote:Geript
I feel like I would like him to stop everything he is currently doing. What better way to silence someone than by lynching them?
This is his first vote. To this point, he has done nothing but soft defend people, and lightly agree with BH on a point he made about geript.
On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote
##Vote:CosmicomicsExplain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan?
Which is even worse because in this post he openly acknowledges that he doesn't even really think geript is scum...that his vote was exclusively to "pressure" him to "stop what he's doing". Except...that's not what townies do with their vote. Townies try and kill scum with their vote. But apparently Cosmic is now scum because he didn't like Darth's vote. Whatever maybe I can roll with this....
On March 17 2013 22:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:
Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...
Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.
##Vote: Greymist
Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.
Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.
Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Well. I really don't like this post from Goodkarma but maybe that is just my personal preference of not really liking posts that contain a paragraph each on several people. The case against goodkarma was your standard day one case that doesn't really feel very strong at all and I wouldn't like to lynch goodkarma today regardless. GK is really quite an asset as town and someone who I am confident I can catch later. When it comes to what you said about me you are right I haven;t done much yet. But you are wrong that I was genuinely trying to lynch geript. It was a standard pressure vote at the beginning of the game and that should be obvious. Peashooter is pretty null at the moment I certainly don;t see anythign that would make me want to lynch him really badly. I am not sure that lurkers are really the place to look straight up. Sure, stick a vote on them and pressure them but I wouldn;t want to lynch someone just on inactivity.
...except by the time Darth makes this post Cosmic is a lurker. And read his last statement! :OOOOOOOO
Like, his reasoning isn't that he's a lurker, that much I'll admit. But the fact remains that Darth "doesn't think lurkers are the place to look" while his vote is ON a lurker.
In this post he also SIMULTANEOUSLY defends and attacks GoodKarma. I guess because it's not clear what thread sentiment is going to end up favoring or something, but ultimately ends up saying he doesn't want to lynch GK.
On March 17 2013 22:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +(like latest Batman movie disappointing ) . But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt:Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.
On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.
On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.
I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind. Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: JyuhtConsider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat:I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: GolbatYourHarry:I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK I have zero faith in your meta cases BH. and I think this is a super weak reason to be so confident in a town read. What gives?
But in the very next post attacks Wade for defending GK on meta? HE JUST DID THIS!
On March 17 2013 22:42 DarthPunk wrote:
GK is really quite an asset as town and someone who I am confident I can catch later.
VOTE FOR DARTHPUNK HE SCUM YO
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But he's discrediting the case on Sandro as being "a lurker lynch" except it's not - it's true that he's lurking, but it's because his META suggests that he lurks as scum, so the REASONING for the lynch is META, not lurking.
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That's because he's just saying it's a pressure vote to absolve himself of having to justify his vote with actual reasoning.
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For the record, I'm still very much good with a GK lynch. I just find myself more sure about DarthPunk having filtered him and thought about it.
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For the record, my town circle idea was a conversation starter, and it worked wonders. I have no intention of attempting to hold people to voting with me or their peers in The Team, I simply wanted to gauge peoples reactions to it and see if it inspired people to start scumhunting. Some it did, others it didn't. But the fact is I think it has spawned useful discussion for everyone.
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On March 18 2013 04:23 Vivax wrote:Tbh I don't trust VE at all currently. His stupid fluff squad had only the potential to create discussion about something useless, and when the slip matter arose, he went all casual with this, I still don't see a conclusion: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh I like Vivax lynch too. Nothing he's said has made me feel townie on him. I'ma go filter him again.
Kita why you hatin on GM? I think he's fine for now, and I certainly don't like him for lynch today.
Where's the beef? Given that most of the people I find suspicious try to hop onto DP I don't trust the bandwagon.
I filtered you and decided I didn't want to lynch you. So I filtered someone else that layabout suggested. I don't see what the problem is. Could you maybe address my case instead of give bullshit association reasoning for not voting for DP?
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On March 18 2013 04:33 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2013 04:23 RyuSuzaku wrote:I've just finished reading what I missed while I was gone. If sandroba is indeed inactive because of drinking or whatever, I don't think he's a good lynch at all. However, I think greymist is a great choice for lynch today. I so far am not at all convinced that GK or DP or any of the other current names being thrown around are scummier than greymist. I think our best chance to lynch scum today is this guy. There are several major reasons; hopefully my quoting will help here. 1. Greymist excuses his lurking by saying that he was "setting a trap." I seriously doubt there was any sort of trap or intention behind the lurking, seeing as his entry post into the thread mentioned how busy he was. 2. When he was around, greymist didn't do anything other than respond to the host. Surely as a townie, if you know you are going to only be active for certain time periods, you will put effort into pushing your reads, or at least trying to make them. Lurking away your active periods sounds pretty antitown. I know at least for me personally, I do my best to read and post in order to solidify my reads during my active periods. 3. Greymist's posts come off as opportunistic. He accuses goodkarma of attacking "easy targets", yet he himself is guilty of attacking GK, someone I would classify as an easy target. GK also chose DarthPunk and sandroba as two of his four targets, both of which I would firmly classify as "not easy to lynch." GK gave fairly decent reasons for both, and those reasons are understandable from a GK-town perspective. For one, he acknowledges the differences in DP's play between this game and others in which he has played; this type of observation is characteristically rare for mafia players. The fact that greymist is not able to see these reasons is indicative of him being scum. 4. Greymist seems to be overly aware both of his own image and what the town in general thinks. There are a lot of questions to the effect of "what do people think of ____?" and also moments where he calls out players (knowingly) for things he himself is doing. To this end, I give you the following: Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:
Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...
Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.
##Vote: Greymist
Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.
Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.
Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Perfect, I was waiting for this! Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should. First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence. Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker. What makes this an accusation post rather than just a defense post by me, however, is when we look at the rest of his reads. Instead of just pushing me and trying to convince town to get behind my lynch (something you can see every other town player doing, after all the goal of this game is to reach a majority on players), he goes on to make sure the town knows he MIGHT be swapping to another person, thereby setting himself up for a future vote swap. This is not only to mention the content of his reads here. Notice that he really doesn't have anything to say, and picks on the easy targets. More notably, is that he picks on targets with the same sins as me this game, yet not mentioning why he is voting me over them. I can tell you why, Its because my lack of thread presence, to a scum player, would basically have them salivating for a day 1 miss lynch. I am an easy, low risk lynch with almost no thread presence to back myself up. I find this post suspicious because it is a cookie cutter, "here are a few reads" post that has no interaction with other players, no real pushing, no new information, and in my eyes makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one. I will be voting goodkarma until I can be convinced otherwise. Note that his response to GK is nothing more than OMGUS. I seriously doubt greymist was setting a trap, given that he himself said how busy he was. He also does exactly the same thing he accuses GK of doing. GK, to me, simply seemed to be stating his reads and his rationale. His rationale appears to be backed up by actual effort-from my independent efforts, I can confirm that much of what he wrote about these players' metas is, on the whole, true. On the other hand, greymist has put no such effort into verifying GK's assertions, nor does he do anything but dismiss GK's reads. In addition, he calls out GK for listing reads so he can allegedly later swap them, yet he basically does the same here: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:28 GreYMisT wrote:
I'm still voting for goodkarma for the moment, but what do people think of WaveofShadow? I just went through his posts and noticed that literally the only thing he has done this game is discuss meta, and not in the good way. To me it seems as though he is yet another player promising an opinion and saying he will look into things, but preparing excuses for a later sheep.
I'd like to see a vote from him soon.
and here: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:42 GreYMisT wrote:
layabout I did just look at DP's filter again, and noticied that he commented on the same post that I did of goodkarma's. Something strikes me as odd about that post, with him seemingly calling him out on it, but then giving a fairly weak reason why he doesnt want gk lynched. I am wary of such stances. and here: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 03:01 GreYMisT wrote:
Kita I think its possible that vivax slipped up. I can definitely see that scenario happening in this game. I am not sure I am confident enough in the risk of lynching him based off only that though. Let me look over him for anything else. every time greymist posts a read, it's with very minimal effort-not something I would expect a townie to put forth. In addition, his posts are very opportunistic. He only does things under pressure, whether it be direct or indirect. He only attacked GK under the obvious pressure of a vote. Sandro had already claimed suspicion of greymist, but greymist brushed it off-it was only when others agreed with sandro did greymist take the opportunity to attack GK. When kita requested an opinion of greymist on vivax, he did nothing more than regurgitate kita's suspicions and dig up superficialities in how vivax responded. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 03:17 GreYMisT wrote:Alright kitaman, I'm willing to lynch vivax or gk today. I think vivax might be scum not only because of the slip, but because of his 2 posts where he responds to your pressure. On March 18 2013 02:45 Vivax wrote:
I know. I used that wording in a cocky way since I felt very sure about having yamato in front of me. He didn't answer though and it might sound like I slipped his identity to others (assuming it's really him).
I think it's a stupid reason to lynch me although I would probably think something similar in your position. But if you do it, won't be my fault you lose something valuable. On March 18 2013 02:51 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:
You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given.
Regarding this: I wanted to know if the guy is yamato cause if he is, I'd give him a townread (Feeling sure he was at that moment). If you go look, my read on him changed after his two big, abrasive posts (go look them up with the # at my post), where I assumed he was yamato cause yamato has an extensive work schedule and posts like that towards people who accuse him often. Kita, can you look at my cases regarding sandro, cosmic and DYH before jumping to conclusions and tell me what you agree and disagree with? One thing that strikes me is Vivax's explination of being sure.. He says he was "so sure it was yamato" but in his followup post he gives an extremely weak reason of being so certain. Also another small thing in addition to what kita pointed out, is this line "I think it's a stupid reason to lynch me although I would probably think something similar in your position. But if you do it, won't be my fault you lose something valuable." Its subtle, but Vivax is essentially blaming his slip on us, even though he says that he would think the same thing in our position. He says that it wouldnt be his fault, when it very clearly would be. I'm not going to mention why I find greymist to be incredibly suspicious after this last post, since I expect anyone reading thoroughly to be able to discern why. ##vote greymist I'm with this guy ^ He knows what's up. Not to mention the way greymist handled my sandro case (saying activity doesn't matter when my case isn't about activity) and the points previously mentioned by Ryu. I think scum is trying to push a DP wagon. Let's go for Grey, sandro, cosmic or DYH instead.For justice.
So he wants to lynch Grey, sandro, cosmic or DYH, but thinks SCUM are pushing the DP wagon. Presently on the DP wagon: layabout, VE, WoS, glurio.
Soooo....several of those things are not like the others....
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Thx Wiggles.
With that, I'm going to play Minecraft. Clearly I'm not looking at this the right way right now. Are you still good with a GK lynch sir?
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No I'm fine with GreYMisT for now. He might be scum but the way he's approaching scumhunting feels genuine and I'm not interested in a GM lynch today.
This nonsense about a "trap" is completely manufactured. I read GM's post about "I've been waiting for this" as "You've been saying you're scumhunting and I've seen no proof. Now you've posted it and I'm excited."
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DP who is your best guess for scum? Who do you want to lynch today?
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WEEEEEEEE I'M DP AND I'M GONNA WASTE MY VOTE ON SOMEONE NO OTHER PERSON IN THE GAME HAS SHOWN ANY INTEREST IN LYNCHING MERE HOURS FROM DEADLINE! IN SPITE OF THIS BEING IN RESPONSE TO A DIRECT QUESTION REGARDING MY LYNCH PREFERENCE THOUGH, ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT I THINK VE IS SCUM IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM FOR MISINTERPRETING MY POST!!! WHOOPIDEEEDOOOOOOOOO!!!
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I believe that townies don't use their vote to try and change the way other people are playing. I believe that townies vote for people they think are scum, because that is the function of the vote.
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OH gosh this game so hard. :/
How long til deadline? I want to read again...
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On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba
On March 17 2013 04:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
although it is very suspicious that after being called out by sandroba, greymist made a simple and weak question and then chose not to address sandroba's accusation.
Is sandroba's accusation not worthy of a response?
Greymist was clearly around after, since he corrected the host just a while ago.
Both of these quotes came from the guy who wrote the "super convincing case" against GreYMisT. I find this to be highly suspicious - at first he thinks they could both be scum, sandroba has done nothing between these posts, and suddenly sandroba is town worthy of a response?
##FoS Ryu
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I'm working with the new information, being GreY's alignment. That lead me to filter the guy ultimately responsible for the GreY wagon, which led me to find posts referring to GreY.
I'm not cherrypicking, I just pointed out something suspicious. Why do you say I'm cherrypicking you? Your GreYMisT push is the only significant thing you've done the whole game, why should I not use information from that flip to try and draw conclusions about your alignment?
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It's not my "spin" it's my "interpretation" that you were assuming he was town based on how you phrased your accusation of GreY. If I'm mistaken, feel free to correct me but instantly calling it suspicious is a little over the top.
I guess I don't understand what is so suspicious of brushing off sandro's accusation of him. It was suspicious enough for you to vote him over, it was given without any kind of supporting reasoning. Why was it suspicious for GreY to brush off his accusation like that?
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Explain himself for what? Sandroba's accusation was "Bullshit you're scum"
Like...what were you expecting from him? Could it not be argued that if he HAD come back and explained himself he was needlessly defending himself against weak accusations?
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But he didn't - he gave his thoughts on players when he was around.
:/
It doesn't matter right now. I think you're suspicious because of your backing off of sandroba for no reason. You weren't suspicious of him for lurking, so him replacing shouldn't have changed your read of him from "scummy" to "null". You outlined reasoning for thinking Sandroba was suspicious and now suddenly you're not. You say you "never really felt strongly about sandroba for scum" but your votes and reasoning explicitly state otherwise. You say "sandroba doesn't often explain his reads more than that on day 1" but in the orignal post voting for him you cite "lack of reasoning" as your reason for disliking him more than GreY. I think your actions don't line up with your explanations, and the fact that you lurked all through the wagon building on GreY exacerbates my suspicion.
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Because you didn't do the work yourself, you let others push the wagon for you. You just made the (bad) case that got him lynched. And it's not a lie that you weren't here, you weren't here. That's the context that I use "lurker" not that you were here watching it all go down. When I said "you lurked" I meant "you weren't here" which is NOT a lie, it's a fact.
Anyway, you can say I'm taking your pressure vote too seriously. That's fine. Your post explicitly states that you think he could be scum and that his interaction with GreY looked "forced" and that's reasoning for thinking someone is scum. Honestly you can try and "spin" that however you want, but it's explicit in your post. People need only read it to see the truth.
I'm sick and tired of people that I accuse simply going "NO U". It's really annoying.
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Vivax to put it as Mocsta would:
Your logical fallacy is Appeal to Popularity. Just because a lot of people agreed with it doesn't mean it's a good case. It's an EFFECTIVE case in that it convinced a lot of people, but that doesn't mean that the points are valid.
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I'm not sure what's up with DP. Apparently I'm scum to him for thinking he's scum. Aside from that, all I have to go on is the points I brought up earlier and his horrible reaction to me calling him scum. I'm leaning scum, but his reaction caused me to be less sure.
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I wish all you winners would have been present when that was new, there were a lot of detractors LMAO
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I feel like I'm in some Bizarro-world where Mocsta wants to play like Vivax and Vivax wants to play like Mocsta, and both are failing hard. :/
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Stop playing like a dick Mocsta I hate this style of posting. Be better, I know you can.
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On March 19 2013 11:27 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 11:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Stop playing like a dick Mocsta I hate this style of posting. Be better, I know you can. Why are you being intentionally antagonistic in a meaningless way? What are you trying to achieve by calling me out in this manner? I know you can be better than this...
This is the bullshit I'm talking about. The last game I saw you in as town there was like NO QUESTION that you were town. In this game, you snipe at people and appear to be trying to pick fights with people. It's like....scummy. And I know you're better than that as scum, so I'm left wondering what the fuck is going on.
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*sigh*
Whatever I don't even care right now. Do whatever you want.
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Wait bish I have lots of reads.
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No I thought I made it clear that it's the MANNER in which you're calling them out that I'm taking issue with.
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On March 19 2013 11:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
No I thought I made it clear that it's the MANNER in which you're calling them out that I'm taking issue with. So wats ya point of "taking this issue" publicly. What is your purpose?
TO MAKE YOU FUCKING SOTP ITONAGOAWINBA EORBINA OBNAQ AIOENB Q BQNPNTIO ABNW ANIRJBR
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Can anyone tell me what Wade Fell's objectives are this game?
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On March 19 2013 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Considering I nearly fell asleep writing the personality endgame post I'm going to have to call it a night. Hope to see you all in the morning!
NOOOO WHAT IF YOU DIIIEIEEEEEEE?!??!?!?
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I saw it geript. I saw it. How much time until dawn?
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Kita what do you think of BH this game? TELL ME THE TRUTH!!! *hexhexhex*
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Here are my thoughts.
Wade Fell is SCUM!!
He has done nothing this game. The last game I played with him he aggressively pushed his reads and pressured suspects. He's done nothing like that in this thread. He showed early aggression based on weak reasoning, but all he's done since is defend GK. Literally.
But that's not all he's done. Wade Fell is also a mason. I know this because he's been masoned to me all during this phase. He claims to have been masoned to GK during the day. All he's done in this mason convo has been push his same weak arguments he made in the thread at first, then just passively agree with anything I said. He wasn't trying to divine my alignment. And if his posts are to be believe he didn't mason GK to divine his alignment either. He's been masoning town-reads. To what end? He's not bringing anything new to the table in mason chats, that's for sure.
This leads me to conclude that Wade Fell is some sort of scum mason attempting to manipulate townies. He claims he can mason a different person every phase, and phase one he chose GK and phase 2 he chose me.
Factor in the fact that we've already flipped one town-aligned mason role in Nightmare and I'm inclined to believe that WF's role is scum aligned even more.
So WF is scum. Talk about it.
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On March 19 2013 13:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here are my thoughts.
Wade Fell is SCUM!!
He has done nothing this game. The last game I played with him he aggressively pushed his reads and pressured suspects. He's done nothing like that in this thread. He showed early aggression based on weak reasoning, but all he's done since is defend GK. Literally.
But that's not all he's done. Wade Fell is also a mason. I know this because he's been masoned to me all during this phase. He claims to have been masoned to GK during the day. All he's done in this mason convo has been push his same weak arguments he made in the thread at first, then just passively agree with anything I said. He wasn't trying to divine my alignment. And if his posts are to be believe he didn't mason GK to divine his alignment either. He's been masoning town-reads. To what end? He's not bringing anything new to the table in mason chats, that's for sure.
This leads me to conclude that Wade Fell is some sort of scum mason attempting to manipulate townies. He claims he can mason a different person every phase, and phase one he chose GK and phase 2 he chose me.
Factor in the fact that we've already flipped one town-aligned mason role in Nightmare and I'm inclined to believe that WF's role is scum aligned even more.
So WF is scum. Talk about it.
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I don't think I'm allowed, which is part of why I revealed him. Without the ability to post the mason logs, it seems weak anyway and it's a large portion of what makes him scummy to me.
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On March 19 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:39 Wade Fell wrote:
As an aside, another reason I masoned GK is that I've interacted with him in QTs before when I coached him, and I knew I'd be able to get a perfect read on him from doing so, as well as help his scumhunting.
Coming in as a replacement. I noticed you keep trying to reenforce you know GK well cos you coached him I find, a one time admission of this is usually what a town player does. But you have done it repeatedly, leading to two conclusions (1) You hope you have town cred, and trying to make an appeal to popularity for GK to be town (2) You are establishing a minor "newbie" shroud over GK, essentially an additional appeal Considering I dont have a town read at all from GK... and factoring your coach comments above AND CONSIDERING AS WELL you're a much more meek and timid personality (comp. Mafia LX). I would bank you are both scum Sandroba said it best...Let me remind you. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior.
Respond to this post BH, because it contains no ad hom attacks and raises points I'd like you to address. Why were you so bent on emulating your previous, confident play earlier on while your play since suggests a more cautious, reserved approach?
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I wouldn't call masoning with me "risky" and I'm sure most of the vets on this site would agree with me...but that's a conversation for another time because that part of the argument IS WIFOM.
The fact of the matter is that during the day I made no secret about having a town-read on you based on your early play - if you'll recall I invited you in this thread to be on The Team. Obviously any assertion that you were "at risk" by masoning me is pretty much null considering that scum have to take risks to win the game. It becomes a question of when, and what kinds of opportunities arise.
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I took a hit.
I'm....not sure what that implies. I'm gonna sleep on it. I love you, town.
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No my role saved me. I'm Vet.
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On March 19 2013 16:26 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 16:07 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 16:05 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, that instantly makes me like a zarepath lynch much less. Im not following? Its all WIFOM right? If you want more WIFOM, Kei just caught VE in hydra.... Yes, my thinking could be reduced to WIFOM but here it is anyways. Scum priorities for NKs tend to fall along what threatens them the most balanced with a risk/reward assessment. If zare is scum, then the people threatening him right now are myself, Scib, and Vivax (off the top of my head). Vivax might be slightly less of a threat, as people have repeatedly ignored some of the things he says. But both Scib and I are extremely hard lynches at the moment, being considered townie by practically all of the thread (if I have read correctly). This makes Scib and I, and to a lesser degree, Vivax, logical targets IF zarepath is scum, and IF he was feeling the pressure. BH is another logical target if his roleclaim is true (I think it is, but can't be 100% sure). Now consider possible Medic protections. BH has claimed blue which could likely pull a medic's attention. Scib is probably the most townie and biggest threat in general, also a good chance of protection. But that still leaves myself and Vivax as pretty safe targets. Yes, this is WIFOM, but if I was scum this is how I would sift possible targets IF I was worried about zare getting lynched D2. Instead we get a Keirathi kill. A good kill because he is a solid town player, but by killing a replacement player who had very little time to put forth his opinions my guess is that scum is less worried about the track town is currently on, and more worried about a new voice providing a course correction.
This is probably best post in thread. I'm going to bed, and I read everything tomorrow.
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On March 19 2013 16:29 DarthPunk wrote:Did you bread crumb that?
Now just why in the fuck would I crumb that?! LMAO
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Yeah that's not how that works. Night DP.
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On March 20 2013 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
hey guys reading up on thread now. Feel free to ask me any questions.
peashooter spent a good amount of energy effort trying to rally a lynch on me. Im pretty much the easy lynch in every game so its not uncommon for scum to try and push town into lynching me. Its strange to me that there are so many people who have put me in as a town read already. I dont think I should be a town read for anyone just yet. but its a good thing at any rate cause im town.
I wouldnt mind having peashooter lynched just on the basis that he was willing to let town run in circles over his identity while saying nothing. that seems fairly anti town. like hes trying to milk the speculation for all the chaos it can possibly generate.
Arguably trolling the thread has the exact same effect as what you're accusing Peashooter of Coagulation. The difference is that he was trying to do something about you while you were just trolling along. Only now that he's finally put an end to the speculation have you tried to do anything but exacerbate the speculation.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles and Ryu please.
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I'm suspicious of BH for misrepresenting his objectives in masoning me. His goals are to be read as town, and to make sure of it. Not to get reads on people or discuss reads or anything. He specifically chose people so that "they could get a read on him" so that it could further his objectives.
But what are those objectives? Not hunting scum surely - he spent a little time talking about wanting to go after Peashooter and geript in the thread, but I've seen minimal evidence of this.
Wade Fell is scum. Lynch him.
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I'm a Coward. I act as a Veteran as far as I can tell.
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On March 18 2013 04:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record, my town circle idea was a conversation starter, and it worked wonders. I have no intention of attempting to hold people to voting with me or their peers in The Team, I simply wanted to gauge peoples reactions to it and see if it inspired people to start scumhunting. Some it did, others it didn't. But the fact is I think it has spawned useful discussion for everyone.
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On March 20 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 05:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm a Coward. I act as a Veteran as far as I can tell. This confused me a little VE. Do you not know what your role does? It seemed odd when you were claiming too: Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 16:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I took a hit.
I'm....not sure what that implies. I'm gonna sleep on it. I love you, town. And then right after you state it's because you're Vet. Explain?
I just meant I'm not sure what to think about it. I definitely took a hit, and my role is a Veteran role...but I wasn't sure why scum would shoot me and still haven't decided what I think is most likely.
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I'm interested to hear what "inconsistencies" you find particularly moving DYH.
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"Clearly good"? It's not good at all. In fact it's awful because I'm town. I'm ignoring it because it's all based on useless speculation based on mason logs I was told by the host aren't even supposed to be in the thread. So whatever.
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After that post I asked DocH specifically if I was allowed to post mason logs. He said no. That's all I know.
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No I was saying the ROLE MASON is weak without the ability to post mason logs. It's just he said she said without the logs, and that doesn't prove anything to anyone.
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No I'm sitting town on GK these days.
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On March 20 2013 06:13 layabout wrote:
Why the hell is there a push on VE?
dude is supertown.
I just want to see where it's going. I wouldn't say I'm supertown, but I'm certainly not the scummiest in the thread by far. LOL
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I'm actually down with lynching anywhere inside
Wade Fell, RyuSakura, Coagulation
They're in order of my preference.
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I do, but there are things I don't like too. Like his read on DYH...what is it?
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YOLO right?
##Unvote
##Vote: Mr. Wiggles
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The fact that everyone in that post is null. He has zero scumreads and considering he's good enough to disagree with "a lot of things" I say and do, you'd think he'd have mentioned some of them. Yet he doesn't want to lynch into me. Why? He says he's waiting for others to post "to see how they react to recent developments". If they react the way Wiggles just reacted (no opinion, no conclusions, just wait and see meh whatever) then what use is there for waiting?
He's stalling. He doesn't want to contribute, but wants to seem like he's contributing.
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For the record, I was scum on Wiggles, I just wasn't willing to lynch him today until that post. But that post shows me that he doesn't care at all about finding scum .
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On March 20 2013 07:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that everyone in that post is null. He has zero scumreads and considering he's good enough to disagree with "a lot of things" I say and do, you'd think he'd have mentioned some of them. Yet he doesn't want to lynch into me. Why? He says he's waiting for others to post "to see how they react to recent developments". If they react the way Wiggles just reacted (no opinion, no conclusions, just wait and see meh whatever) then what use is there for waiting?
He's stalling. He doesn't want to contribute, but wants to seem like he's contributing. I disagree with the stuff you do like having silly fights with people, spamming to make a point, making weird emotional appeals to people, "I know you can do better", "I know you're better than this", and jumping around in between targets like you're a rubber ball. I disagree with them, I normally find them scummy, but that's just how you play. I've called you scum in past games for it, and it just devolved into a big argument that provided nothing. Why would I do that again? I'm saying the stuff you do always makes me unsure of your alignment, and I have trouble reading you for it. I'm just being honest. As for not having a bunch of scum reads, the state of the game is a big mess right now. I need to read more.
I've been trying my best to stay focused. You're right that the state of the game is a big mess, but that's not stopping anyone else from having scumreads.
Read on Wiggles. I'm not cemented in my read of you, and as you know I'm very easy to manipulate. Do what you gotta do. I know I am.
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I haven't confirmed shit, I haven't read the logs yet. Was saving that for the big finale in case they've been tampered with.
As I said, I was told I wasn't allowed to post them. So I'm only using my impression from the QT to base my read on with BH. And that impression is that he had scum motivations for masoning me.
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They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu?
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On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.
I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig.
This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers.
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On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? zZz
What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine?
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Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard.
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On March 20 2013 08:20 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? zZz What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine? We've already talked about Ryu man
And you concluded "we lynch him tmrw imo"
You haven't mentioned him ONCE this phase, not to mention never posting that "giant case" you said you'd post before dawn to see how he reacts...which you had PLENTY of time for, as I didn't out you as a mason or say you're scum until like 2 hours before deadline or something.
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On March 20 2013 08:22 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. I'm not grasping, and it's not as much a slip as it is an indication of his mindset. If you think coag is scum, do you say "townies like you"? TPS is obviously a smurf, and he claims he doesn't know coag's meta. Does any of this make sense to you at all?
he said IF WE HAVE TOWNIES LIKE YOU. Implying that Coag is playing so scummy that if we have townies like him in town we've already lost. IT SAYS IT IN HIS POST BH.
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On March 20 2013 08:27 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.
I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig. This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers. It's normal so we have a rough idea, i think in the mafia podcast drh mentioned wanting to use hidden communication roles, if BH is the scum mason and can mason people all the time why would town's only mason be grey's role? Keir was saying that he thinks they will be balanced am i am inclined to agree. So i think it's more likely that his role belongs to town.BH's defense of GK was scummy. His filter looks quite normal for him, i tend to skim his posts.
The last, italicized statement is predicated on the first, bolded statement.
If BH is a scum mason and can mason people all the time THEN why would town's only mason be GreY's role?
Your reasoning for thinking that there are more than one town mason is LITERALLY the idea that BH is a scum mason. Can you not see how this doesn't make sense?
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Really? Because I got "BH is the scum mason, therefor I think his role is town aligned." Your mileage may vary.
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On March 20 2013 08:37 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Really? Because I got "BH is the scum mason, therefor I think his role is town aligned." Your mileage may vary. we must have different prior assumptions
Or different reading comprehension levels. Or different motives.
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I've got another visitor to my PM box. "The Mirror" has masoned me now. No indication as to what player it is, and the QT is empty aside from me trying to get acknowledgement from whomever it is.
I'm so sick and tired of being a pivotal piece in these games while simultaneously being ignored by half the players. X(
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You mean like the Nightmare we just flipped? Yeah, I'll pass on setup speculation kita thanks though.
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I would kita but I got a role that allows me to be ignored for EVEN LONGER instead. :/
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Ugh why do you make me want to LYNCH YOU SO MUCH DP?! Have I played with you when we're both town before?
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I didn't play Witchcraft I don't think.
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Hi guys I'm back! Gosh what's going on in here?!
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That's funny - my read of you caused you to IMMEDIATELY think I was scum DP. It seems to me that you might want to know if you think Sci is scum too :OOOOOOOO
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What is the scum motivation for doing that? You think he's town so....what's the point? Why would scum scramble to be first in line Coag?
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So...association then? Between unflipped players? How is that a good idea?
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On March 20 2013 13:39 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's funny - my read of you caused you to IMMEDIATELY think I was scum DP. It seems to me that you might want to know if you think Sci is scum too :OOOOOOOO That is bullshit and you know it. The case on you had nothing to do with you calling me scum. It had to do with your complete misrepresentations of the facts in your case. I am not going to OMGUS everyone who calls me scum and I don't consider my case on you OMGUS period. For a smart guy you are being incredibly stupid. Care to finally tell me how on earth you had the gall to say townies never pressure or policy vote? or why the case against me was full of misrepresentations which countless others saw right through?
You're really making a big deal out of that statement Darth. How about this. I'll meet you halfway and say that BAD townies pressure/policy vote.
And the case against you is super stronk. You scum and I can't wait for town to see it. ^^
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On March 20 2013 13:44 Coagulation wrote:
Like if anyone in this fucking game can dig into me and get a scumslip or clear read on my alignment its VE. Every game I have ever been scum in with him I have pretty much completely given up and admited defeat by day 2 because of him single handedly catching me.
Well that's not entirely true. I didn't think you were scum in Space Station. Jackal sure, but I just saw regular ol' BS Coag in Space Station.
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On March 20 2013 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2013 13:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 13:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's funny - my read of you caused you to IMMEDIATELY think I was scum DP. It seems to me that you might want to know if you think Sci is scum too :OOOOOOOO That is bullshit and you know it. The case on you had nothing to do with you calling me scum. It had to do with your complete misrepresentations of the facts in your case. I am not going to OMGUS everyone who calls me scum and I don't consider my case on you OMGUS period. For a smart guy you are being incredibly stupid. Care to finally tell me how on earth you had the gall to say townies never pressure or policy vote? or why the case against me was full of misrepresentations which countless others saw right through? You're really making a big deal out of that statement Darth. How about this. I'll meet you halfway and say that BAD townies pressure/policy vote. And the case against you is super stronk. You scum and I can't wait for town to see it. ^^ If the case against me is super strong why have you not pushed it since you disappeared after saying you were going to read the thread? The case on me is Awful. Most of the town knows it.
Sweet dude then you have nothing to worry about! *high-five*
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On March 19 2013 03:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:19 DoYouHas wrote:
- I am still confident in my zarepath read from day 1, but that has been rehashed enough already, and it seems fruitless to pursue that further until there is more content or until we get to day2.
I agree DYH Im up to p15 and my two strongest reads are: GoodKarma + zarepath zarepath already from his first 10 posts, is posting completely different to the 3-4 games I played with him in the past 1 to 2 months (he was town in all of them). 3rd read = weak is Vivax from his first post.. very odd reads, but will reevaluate as i read more of the thread.
On March 19 2013 03:09 Mocsta wrote:
Im only up to p13. but GoodKarma is scum yo
On March 19 2013 09:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 09:43 goodkarma wrote:
EBWOP:
If you think I'm scum make an actual case, and use your time more productively. For blatant scummy play like yours, there is no need for a case why do i need to convince YOU, you are scum. I pegged you as scum from the first 10 pages I read.. and now at page 43, your still scum.. its as clear as water. We must cleanse the town of this BadKarma
On March 19 2013 11:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 11:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 19 2013 11:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 19 2013 11:46 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
No I thought I made it clear that it's the MANNER in which you're calling them out that I'm taking issue with. So wats ya point of "taking this issue" publicly. What is your purpose? TO MAKE YOU FUCKING SOTP ITONAGOAWINBA EORBINA OBNAQ AIOENB Q BQNPNTIO ABNW ANIRJBR aBUBN Yeah I could swear you just said something along the lines of you wanting to stop this...? But yeah Mocsta, this is shit play reminiscent of your end of day Hydra mafia scum shenanigans. I never thought I'd ask this, but where's the 26-page-filter Mocsta we've all come to know and love? I dont see how anything I have done is scummy.. u guys based way too much on post style which is easily changed do u think im trying to create chaos? cos that would be my inteniton as scum.. sit by idly and pretend im reading the thread unfortunately I am still on page 22... but I saw a shitty post from GK and called him out for it.. than zarepath made a shitty post and i called him otu for it... FACT: there posts were so shitty, id idnt need to read the thread to know they had a scummy vibe.. its classic scum.. big post that says nothing, or remains at a null conclusion If you think I am doing the same thing in my posts today.. then perhaps you need to stop playing mafia.. my intention was been pretty clear cut, blunt, and aggressive. And it all points towards hunting scum.
On March 19 2013 14:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 14:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 19 2013 14:00 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 13:57 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 19 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 13:39 Wade Fell wrote:
As an aside, another reason I masoned GK is that I've interacted with him in QTs before when I coached him, and I knew I'd be able to get a perfect read on him from doing so, as well as help his scumhunting.
Coming in as a replacement. I noticed you keep trying to reenforce you know GK well cos you coached him I find, a one time admission of this is usually what a town player does. But you have done it repeatedly, leading to two conclusions (1) You hope you have town cred, and trying to make an appeal to popularity for GK to be town (2) You are establishing a minor "newbie" shroud over GK, essentially an additional appeal Considering I dont have a town read at all from GK... and factoring your coach comments above AND CONSIDERING AS WELL you're a much more meek and timid personality (comp. Mafia LX). I would bank you are both scum Sandroba said it best...Let me remind you. On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. Respond to this post BH, because it contains no ad hom attacks and raises points I'd like you to address. Why were you so bent on emulating your previous, confident play earlier on while your play since suggests a more cautious, reserved approach? I'm not emulating my confident play-- my play, if you don't count my blue actions, is utterly confident. Yes, my choice of mason targets was cautious, but I was unable to post as much as I'd like during D1 because TPS and sandro's cycles lined up. The fact of the matter is, I had more to gain and far less to lose from masoning GK than from masoning one of my scumreads, especially when those scumreads are TPS and Testsubject, both of whose intransigence would likely not translate well to a mason QT. Was GK a newbie, and probably easily impressioned by me? Sure, of course. But on the other hand, he's also a newbie who has been coached by me. He knows how I think and how I hunt scum. Of all the various newbies in this game to mason, GK is the most likely to figure me out if I am scum. Of all the various vets in this game to mason, Ve is the most ly likely to figure me out if I am scum. My blue actions are for discussion scumreads, and cautious, but if I were scum they'd be hideously risky. I'd really feel better if GK were here to talk also *nudge nudge* Course u do, it would be coordinated if GK was here. I dont like this BH.. this reads as a politician trying to sway me around "I had more to gain and far less to lose." Blah Blah Blah Town BH is Motherfucker.. i did this, its the right choice, dont question me Keep up those meek and timid speeches scumIf u want me to start pulling Mafia LX quotes and providing contrast I shall oblige... if u havnt forgotten (MilkSuckler- me) and you had epeen battles in LX.. and this is going radically different. Now that game I am town... this game im town That game you were town.. this game.. (well surely u can spot the difference) It wouldn't be coordinated though would it? I thought the mason 'connection' ends with each phase, meaning his connection now is with VE? If you look at his earlier posts defending GK he is trying to coordinate a defense there and sounds pretty confident aside from when GK basically leaves him in the lurch and doesn't show up. Which posts specifically lead you to believe he is acting rather than actually going through with 'motherfucker' BH, Mocsta? This will drop my credibility of attack. But in fairness. I am only familiar with the posts from 7->20 and 40 -> 47In those posts, BH is timid (in particular his opening).. im not aware of modkill threatens. So ima take a step back and re-evaluate P.S. the coordination wasnt in reference to mason QT lol
On March 19 2013 16:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 16:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 19 2013 16:14 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
You have, I don't know how much of a vet GK is, Mr Wiggles, Mocsta.... THnx, but i am certianly not a vet.. check my profile. Started playing in the new year 2013 More so than me and most of the other 'newbies' named on his list, Mocsta. The list just looks to me like he's looking for easy scumreads to throw out there with minimal chance of being called out if he's wrong because they're either new/bad or lurky. I think you are takign the wrong approach. Dr.H i believe on the podcast is true advocate of RNG (with no host post-hoc balance).. hence. the scum team is just as likely being 5 vets and 5 newbies. . its not out of the question for 5 newbies to be his read. I think the right approach is to ask his insight to why those people are scummy.. he doesnt need a case to explain why.. just dot point aspects of play that dont sit right. Ascertain if he is being genuine with his reads, or taking the easy road. ( im still on page 20 lol so i cant do this pressure.. i can only comment on things happening in the thread live)
On March 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 11:19 zarepath wrote:
If Ace is so amazing why hasn't he solved this game yet
And I think the butthurt isn't strong enough yet, Mocsta needs to make an appearance and hurt some butts YOLO I am ashamed to admit it.. but im still only up to page 22, been flat out @ work and real life. I can keep up with the dynamics happening since I joined, but to start considering who i want to build a case on, i need the context of Day1 (which is missing) Even though the game is low on post count.. im finding it hard to read, dunno why. *I must say* I didnt care for your approach to my questioning yesterday. yes I was overtly aggressive But you proceeded to not answer the question I wrote at the end. That response isnt scummy on its own... but considering I am sure you are aware that you are on my watch list; it is surprising the effort wasnt made to satiate my thirst for knowledge.
On March 20 2013 23:03 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 22:58 Vivax wrote:
WoS you seem to be tilting. Convince people about someone being a better lynch than you. If you roleclaim I will lynch you nontheless.
Mocsta another thing: During N1 and early D2 you were on zarepath calling him scummy about a lot of things (remember how he asked about the rolename?).
Now you seem to have lost track, what's your current read of zare? I havnt lost track honey i have reverted to a green read on zarepath actually i re-reading the game now; and though i still *abhor* his opener.. the following posts interacting with WoS for example are towny (And not because I think WoS is scum) its because he is calling out those ppl for the same thing I disliked and made notes about. I think keirathi was right, hes still newbie-ish town. Im only up to page 15 though  (I know.. its embarassing, but in short. so far, i dnot see zarepath as scummy anymore)
I'm intrigued by how often Mocsta claims he hasn't read the whole thread, but what's more intriguing is how his story on how much he's read keeps changing.
I find his repeated references to where he's at in the game very scummy - it's almost as if he's trying to push the idea in everyone's head that if he's wrong about someone he's accusing DON'T WORRY, he's only on page X so that could change.
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On March 21 2013 00:34 Mocsta wrote:Hi VE. yeah, if you noticed i said to DP. i tried to read the thread numerous times, and get bored each time. Not saying this to take the piss. but right now, im up to p18 Heres an idea.. if you think im scummy.. show me how what im pushing is scummy. & show me how my vote logic on WoS is scummy Otherwise, this is a pretty useless contribution. Yes, you have pointed out that I have not read past page 22. Well done.
I find your repeated insistence to remind the thread that you haven't read past page 22 scummy. The fact that you're pushing anyone from any kind of informed position at all having nto read 75% of the game is scummy.
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Ace I just woke up sir. And if it's something you found suspicious, why would that be "playing scum well"?
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Do you disagree with my assessment Ace?
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And "sheeping you onto Mocsta"? Did I even MENTION your suspicion of him or say I agree with ANYTHING you've said about Mocsta? I brought up my own point based on my own observations. Are you.....SCUM?!!?
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I'm up in the air with you DP. I don't like how everyone who accuses you just MUST be scum, but frankly none of that is actually enough for me to build a case on you. I'm not interested in lynching you today - that's about as far as my read of you goes. I think there are better targets.
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If you say so. Mafia still wanted me dead N1, if you think I'm scum vote for me.
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To which I said, "What a fucking horrible idea. You're an idiot if you do this"
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If that's your opinion then you should vote for me Mocsta. And try and convince others to do the same. Don't be skeert bro.
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The "Mirror" is a third party cult leader of some kind and he tried to recruit me last night. Everyone beware "The Mirror" - he is in our midst and he will try and convert you too.
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I'm not allowed to post logs. I said this already.
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VisceraEyes
Fuck it I accept. If I'm going to be ignored by most of the thread, I might as well punish them for it.
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The Mirror
Of course I have countermeasures for survival. I would not have been given such an arduous task if it were not. And it seems like you are perceptive enough to understand what I offer you.
Do not fret about the delay in notification. That seems to be ... a trend this game. I shall inform you that playing "townie" will be in your best interest, and will hardly conflict with the greater purpose you shall receive. Everything will be made ... crystal clear. A-haha.
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sciberbia you should probably give me the specifics of your role because you're essentially claiming 3rd party to me here. I have received no notification from DocH that my win condition has changed, so as far as I'm aware I still win with town. You see what sticky situation this puts me in.
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Ooohhhh you're good. You're REAL good.
Tell me how this arrangement works. Because I'm assuming that I am already a part of whatever you have planned considering the choice of whether to be masoned with you or not is mine.
You're representing "townie" super hard and scum are going to want to kill you. Does your role account for this?
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Too late you invited the wrong guy. I'm a compulsive claimer you see and have already revealed you to the thread. That would have been cool though.
No, if I keep surviving town would just lynch me. I'm of no use to you I'm afraid. But I may be of use to town. Thanks for the offer though! I'll tell you what: I'll give you until D4 to gather as many supporters as you can, then I reveal your purposes to town and we hunt you down.
That is, if I live that long :OOOOOOOOO
Unless you can convince me? If you have the power to give me what you say, surely you have a purpose in mind for bestowing it to me. If I were to...know that purpose?
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The Mirror
Welcome, VisceraEyes, to my humble abode.
I come to offer you a titillating proposition. I have powers. Oh so great powers. And it seems like you too have a great power. I want you to join me. I want you to employ you for my services, and in return I shall bestow upon you even greater power. Even, dare I say it, immortality.
"Surely you jest" you may think. But think closer again. I have already begun to recruit the brightest and crafty of minds. Town, mafia, these factions are child's play. These are just mere pawns in the greater power that is I, the Mirror.
I offer you an invitation to join me. It does not matter whether you herald town or scum.
If you are town, you have quite the powerful role. But dare I muse, it cannot be without limit? To you I offer an impregnable shield, one who will not falter during the night. Hide behind he and you can gain for yourself immortality.
If you are scum, then you will play the part of the double agent. Use your former teammates at your disposal. Manipulate the scum team to your own devices? To be numbered among the greats such as Keyser Söze, Mr. Orange, William "Billy" Costigan, Jr. or Staff Sgt. Colin Sullivan. Perhaps, to live out the dream that could have been Bureaucracy?
Of course if you are neither, you already know my purposes, and that you are but a step behind. Pressure me, threaten me, do as you wish, for I know it is all but a meaningless bluff.
My reach is infinite and it is not long that I will gather enough for my grand purposes. You may choose to join, you may choose to decline. What I offer you isn't employment ... but true freedom.
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VisceraEyes
I demand satisfaction, mystery mason! REVEAL YOURSELF!
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Interesting development. -.-
I suspected it was sciberbia based on the timing of the posting, but I don't think that's the case any longer. I told him I accept and immediately unmasoned him (I was told masoning with him was at my will) and came to the thread.
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Because it makes sense to accept to become a part of this third party entity and then bring it to the thread. LOL
##Unvote
##Vote: VisceraEyes
Thanks guys - I was worried that reading and thinking about this game while at work tonight was gonna get me fired. Now I don't have to! ^^
GL town.
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What Ace? Just kill me dude, I'm helping you! What's the problem?
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WHAT?! EVERYONE PRESENT IS LIKE "YEAH KILL VE BASED ON LOGIC THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!!" WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? MY READS ARE EXPLICIT IN THE THREAD! I'VE PROVIDED REASONING! I OUTTED A THIRD PARTY CULT! WHAT MORE CAN I DO FOR TOWN?!
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On March 21 2013 02:40 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
What Ace? Just kill me dude, I'm helping you! What's the problem? I have no clue why you accepted being in the cult instead of just outting them.
I accepted and then brought them to the thread. I SAID I accept. ACTUALLY accepting would include NOT bringing it to the thread don't you think Ace? Huh? Don't you think that's part of the third party deal? NOT BRINGING IT TO THE FUCKING THREAD ACE?
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Could I not have left that line out if I actually accepted? Like I can't believe this idea is even feasible to town. Why would anyone think I actually accepted being brought into a cult IF I BRING IT TO THE THREAD AND OUT THAT IT EXISTS WHEN THERE'S BEEN NO INDICATION THAT IT EXISTS AT ALL PRIOR?!
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I'm NOT third party though that's what I'm saying. I think to become third party I would have had to stay masoned with him for longer. I broke communication immediately upon "accepting" because that was my supposition.
I got a PM saying I was masoned with "The Mirror" and given a QT. I tried to get them to speak for a bit then I outted the MASONING first. And after he finally responded, I tried to get info out of him. Since he was not forthcoming I decided that I was done with him and outted it to the thread.
That's IT. That's my explanation. If you believe that I'm ACTUALLY a part of a secret third party cult, and that I figured my best move was to OUT this secret third party cult to the thread WHEN NOBODY KNOWS IT EXISTS, then I can't do anything in my defense. Literally, there's nothing Ican do or say to change what you believe because it's already based on ludicrous reasoning.
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On March 21 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Could I not have left that line out if I actually accepted? Like I can't believe this idea is even feasible to town. Why would anyone think I actually accepted being brought into a cult IF I BRING IT TO THE THREAD AND OUT THAT IT EXISTS WHEN THERE'S BEEN NO INDICATION THAT IT EXISTS AT ALL PRIOR?! I'm pretty sure you can't say "I accept" and be like lol just kidding yo. Come on lmao.
There were no MECHANICS involved. The PM stated that I can choose to not be masoned with "The Mirror" at any time I wish. So I PMed Doc and said the masoning is done. That's literally the only mechaninc involved in this masoning - that I'M in control of when the masoning is over.
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Did anyone notice how Blz immediately jumped on the "lynch VE" sentiment and then fucked off? Kinda convenient don't you think?
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Sure, but I was kinda hoping he would respond to that in some fashion - perhaps in-thread even. Didn't happen. So whatever.
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On March 21 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE there are a LOT of people who have fucked off after jumping on bandwagons today that we still need to hear from.
A LOT.
But he was JUST here and commented on NOTHING but the whole VE thing that JUST happened. That's the difference.
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I have not claimed scum. I'm town. Wade is ridiculous.
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Lynch Wiggles he scum. I am not claim 3P I am town.
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Dude its a MASON LOG. Why are you raking anything it says into account when speculating the setup. This game is CONFIRMED NORMAL BY HOST. We are not the hosts and I have received no message from the hosts saying my Winconditions has changed. If I had would we be having this conversation?
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I am not the one screaming lynch VE the evjk thief partyy
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I'm just warning town. I think it's out there. He actively tried to recruit me so I was like lolnope
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By accepting in the log I was trying to coax some kind of response in the thread and I didn't get any. So I outted him. That's it.
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I have no proof to offer you in that regard. Suffice to say that it would make no sense for me to do that as anything but town. It draws too much attention to myself.
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On March 21 2013 03:56 zarepath wrote:
VE, do you think that Wiggles is scummier than cosmic or Trance or TEstSubject?
I think BH is scummier than anyone in the thread, but Wiggles has the best chance of being lynched.
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It's fine. I'm fully aware that I'm now a viable lynch candidate. Town is gonna do what it's gotta do. I still want to lynch scum.
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But I'm town Ryu. I'm not 3P. That's where you're whole post breaks down. You say you want to find scum, but you're voting to lynch a townie. So....?
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WHAY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE LIMITING THE LYNCHES WTF
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I just didn't think about the logs man. They weren't even factoring in because I specifically asked if they were allowed. I assumed that if that were changed I would have specifically heard something to that regard. It was apparently in the thread and I missed it though.
I posted about BH masoning me because I thought he was scum based on my conversation with him during the cycle and based on my observation of his play D1/N1. If he's scum, I wanted the fact that he's masoning people and specifically requesting that this fact be kept secret IN the thread. Becuase that's active manipulation of town. Active.
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Yes I did it for readability purposes. The timestamps are of no consequence, but if you want an unabridged copy I can certainly provide one.
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I have not softclaimed 3p. That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Why would anyone of any alignment do that?
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On March 21 2013 04:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
By accepting in the log I was trying to coax some kind of response in the thread and I didn't get any. So I outted him. That's it.
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Because I wasn't sure I would survive until D2 DYH. In spite of being a Vet I don't know how much KP scum have, I'm not sure if being roleblocked affects anything, etc and I felt like the WF thing was important.
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Nobody talked about what was in the logs WF, nobody cared because as I said it was the same drivel you were posting in the thread. You didn't add anything so there was nothing to talk about.
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Whatever I'm ignoring everything everyone says, making supercases and will post them up before the lynch. Hopefully they'll be of use to town when I flip. But please consider lynching into Wiggles, Ryu, Wade Fell, Darth Punk in my absence.
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Actually if you care to hear my hypothesis I have one on this matter.
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The recruitment mechanics I mean. I think I might know what's up with them.
The terms of the masoning were that I could choose to cease masoning with The Mirror whenever I wish by PMing the host. This leads me to believe that he could mason people during the day, and then if they were still masoned with him during the night, actually recruit them into his fold.
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In this way it doesn't matter whether we accept or deny him. And by promising his target power and all that nonsense he gets to at least keep them on the line if they're eager or intrigued.
That's how I perceive the whole thing to work from my end, being on the receiving end of it.
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^Fact.^
Another possibility is that it's the Mafia Nightmare variation and that they could kill me after a whole cycle of communication. That seems a little more "normal" and balanced.
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The Nightmare role was able to appear as whatever they wish during the masoning. So....yeah. There's that.
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Ugh...I thought it was sciberbia based on the posting times, but no there are too many people CAPABLE of that style of posting for me to take a guess beyond that.
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Fuck it I accept. If I'm going to be ignored by most of the thread, I might as well punish them for it.
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03-20-2013
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Of course I have countermeasures for survival. I would not have been given such an arduous task if it were not. And it seems like you are perceptive enough to understand what I offer you.
Do not fret about the delay in notification. That seems to be ... a trend this game. I shall inform you that playing "townie" will be in your best interest, and will hardly conflict with the greater purpose you shall receive. Everything will be made ... crystal clear. A-haha.
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sciberbia you should probably give me the specifics of your role because you're essentially claiming 3rd party to me here. I have received no notification from DocH that my win condition has changed, so as far as I'm aware I still win with town. You see what sticky situation this puts me in.
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Ooohhhh you're good. You're REAL good.
Tell me how this arrangement works. Because I'm assuming that I am already a part of whatever you have planned considering the choice of whether to be masoned with you or not is mine.
You're representing "townie" super hard and scum are going to want to kill you. Does your role account for this?
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Too late you invited the wrong guy. I'm a compulsive claimer you see and have already revealed you to the thread. That would have been cool though.
No, if I keep surviving town would just lynch me. I'm of no use to you I'm afraid. But I may be of use to town. Thanks for the offer though! I'll tell you what: I'll give you until D4 to gather as many supporters as you can, then I reveal your purposes to town and we hunt you down.
That is, if I live that long :OOOOOOOOO
Unless you can convince me? If you have the power to give me what you say, surely you have a purpose in mind for bestowing it to me. If I were to...know that purpose?
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03-19-2013
11:52 PM ET (US)
Welcome, VisceraEyes, to my humble abode.
I come to offer you a titillating proposition. I have powers. Oh so great powers. And it seems like you too have a great power. I want you to join me. I want you to employ you for my services, and in return I shall bestow upon you even greater power. Even, dare I say it, immortality.
"Surely you jest" you may think. But think closer again. I have already begun to recruit the brightest and crafty of minds. Town, mafia, these factions are child's play. These are just mere pawns in the greater power that is I, the Mirror.
I offer you an invitation to join me. It does not matter whether you herald town or scum.
If you are town, you have quite the powerful role. But dare I muse, it cannot be without limit? To you I offer an impregnable shield, one who will not falter during the night. Hide behind he and you can gain for yourself immortality.
If you are scum, then you will play the part of the double agent. Use your former teammates at your disposal. Manipulate the scum team to your own devices? To be numbered among the greats such as Keyser Söze, Mr. Orange, William "Billy" Costigan, Jr. or Staff Sgt. Colin Sullivan. Perhaps, to live out the dream that could have been Bureaucracy?
Of course if you are neither, you already know my purposes, and that you are but a step behind. Pressure me, threaten me, do as you wish, for I know it is all but a meaningless bluff.
My reach is infinite and it is not long that I will gather enough for my grand purposes. You may choose to join, you may choose to decline. What I offer you isn't employment ... but true freedom.
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I demand satisfaction, mystery mason! REVEAL YOURSELF!
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Interesting development. -.-
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Cool, so we're back to where I started here! Thanks DYH this has taken a lot of space and ended up being completely useless!
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The only answer I have for that is "I'm town" and "I'd rather lynch scum". I already said I understand that I'm a viable lynch candidate, I don't understand the point of your question.
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And wait a sec DYH. Why is it a longshot that he could be scum? Aren't you the one who raised the argument "Well that sounds kinda wonky for Normal". Isn't it more likely that it's just scum fucking with me than a recruiting mason with a strange recruiting mechanic?
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On March 21 2013 06:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
And wait a sec DYH. Why is it a longshot that he could be scum? Aren't you the one who raised the argument "Well that sounds kinda wonky for Normal". Isn't it more likely that it's just scum fucking with me than a recruiting mason with a strange recruiting mechanic?
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I'm an awful lynch today. Scum just SHOT me, seriously you're doing their work for them.
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On March 21 2013 07:06 DoYouHas wrote:
VE, I'm just trying to cover my bases information-wise in case you do flip town.
Just look at how my points have lined up and you can already see the list of things I don't think add up, and I haven't even dug super hard into your filter.
1. The way you handled your accusation of BH after revealing the Masoning is not indicative of a townie mindset.
2. The timing of your reveal that BH was masoning you is not indicative of a townie mindset.
3. Your vet claim only gave additional information to the scum team.
4. You can supposedly cut off communication with The Mirror at will, but there is nothing to suggest that this specific mechanic affects what the Mirror does at all if my suppositions on how he works are in any way accurate.
5. The Mirror is completely un-phased by your revealing to the thread that he exists.
Vote: VisceraEyes
1) I already explained. The way I handled my accusation of BH was the only way I could without being able to post mason logs. Do you disagree with my points against BH? What about the points Mocsta raised?
2) The timing was such that yes, I was trying to attract a shot from scum. I did it in the way I did it so that we could discuss what I brought up regarding Wade in the the hours leading up to the lynch. Why wasn't Wade shot? If he's this "super powerful mason" that I'm such a baddie for outting to the thread, why didn't scum shoot him dead instead of me?
3) My claim was originally "I was hit". I only claimed vet because people were asking about it, and because people were up in arms about me "outting" BH in the first place. There was confusion, and I tried to clear it up. Should I have done ignored people asking about it? How could I? How could I explain that I knew that I took a hit without saying HOW I knew I was hit and how I was still alive? I don't get what you were expecting.
4) Irrelevant. None of this makes me a good lynch candidate.
5) Again, irrelevant in regard to me as a lynch candidate.
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On March 21 2013 07:21 DoYouHas wrote:
So here is an interesting thing, VE. If you think that there is a decent chance that The Mirror is scum, why are you still pushing the idea that BH is scum mason. Do you really think that mafia have 2 masoning roles?
It's possible, but frankly the idea that the Mirror could be scum hadn't occurred to me until we started having this conversation. Stuck in my WF tunnel you see. :/
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Zare has confirmed being masoned to BH has he not?
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If BH is town mason then there's a rub: why would scum mason me when I'm stuck in this BH tunnel? Would that not really put doubt in my BH read?
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You're never going to convince me that lynching a townie is best for town Ace, no matter what you say. I'm not 3p, I've done what I need to not be recruited (if he's in fact 3p recruiting). You're wrong Ace. Bad wrong.
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I'm not a confirmed liar - anyone accusing me of such is actually accusing me of being a "confirmed truth-teller" because they're referencing something in my mason logs that I said. I have lied to no one in the thread. Ever.
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Wiggles case makes itself Kita, help me lynch Wiggles.
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On March 21 2013 09:05 Ace wrote:
seems like half this thread is people trying to get each other lynched off of grudges.
This is very very common in games these days sir.
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Well it was pin-drop silent when DYH and I were talking...after he unvoted me the last time the thread freaked out. :/
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I didn't see any questions. If you're referring to the part about me outting the Mirror to the thread, here's what went down: I accepted his "offer" and then PM'd DocH saying I was done masoning him. Like, in the same breath basically. The reason I accepted his offer was to see if I could get any response in the thread, and I did it at a time after he had returned to the QT to respond so I knew he was around the thread. I was banking on him seeing my message and saying something in the thread that would confirm him TO ME but not to the thread BEFORE DocH sent him a message regarding my masonry being over.
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On March 21 2013 09:46 Ace wrote:
Vivax, you aren't going to get support for a Coag lynch right now. Let a vigi handle it or leave it for tomorrow. We need to solve 1 problem at a time, not derail wagons.
Says the guy trying to derail a Wiggles wagon.
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On March 21 2013 09:46 goodkarma wrote:@Viscera:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever I'm ignoring everything everyone says, making supercases and will post them up before the lynch. Hopefully they'll be of use to town when I flip. But please consider lynching into Wiggles, Ryu, Wade Fell, Darth Punk in my absence. Care to share your "supercases" with us?
Later. I'm at work right now.
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On March 21 2013 10:07 Kenpachi wrote:
ill admit, i got a general gist of it to stay up to topic so briefly read it but didn't go too much into anything.
Oh ya, wiggles was another hot topic for good reason. He's also a tricky dude to understand when he's scum because he very illusive as an experienced mafia player (Hes mafia every game) and I don't get a particularly good vibe of him. I have very limited experience with him being town so I have nothing to compare my vibe to. However, I don't like that in our conversation, all he proposed was a questionnaire so think about it. I generally think a barrage of questions is a shitty attempt to enter into the townie blend so FoS on him too.
Vote for Wiggles if you feel that way, he's the only other person with a chance of being lynched today. WTF Ken?
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It's not a stunt Vivax what the FUCK?! I'm JUST TRYING TO PLAY TRANSPARENTLY AND I GET SHIT ON FOR IT THIS IS FUCKING DUMB
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KENPACHI VOTE FOR WIGGLES MAN DUDE MAN BRO LETS LYNCH SCUM BRO DUDE!!!
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If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
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Remember that I had no idea that it was a third party masoning until I was informed as much in the QT BY the Mirror.
It seems like a recruiting 3rd Party would just play off the masoning and recruit me in the night-phase like a dickhole instead of claim it to me. I think my meta is being used against me here.
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I have a town read on Coag. For what it's worth.
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I'm making a case on Wiggles. It's irrefutable I can assure you.
This is the time. OUR FREEDOM IS AT HAND!!!
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OH MY GOD I WOULD TOTALLY LYNCH ACE WHAT THE HOLY ************
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Like look at Ace's language.
"Look at it from our perspective. See things the way we see them."
Look at ideas he's promoting:
- Hunting Third Parties
- Town Sentiment Agrees With His Own Perception
But do you know who Ace thinks is scum? No? Because he doesn't mention finding scum at all, or find anything suspicious. He was "catching up" until my thing and now he's all "LYNCH VE HURRY QUICK HE CLAIMED 3P"
[rant]Like, I'm town. Regardless of what you think of the Mirror, I am town. Who cares what it says in those mason logs? They're MASON LOGS. But Ace is pushing this idea that "Oh VE has OBVIOUSLY got to be 3P now." Why? I'm not obviously 3P what kind of 3P even THINKS of posting hsi logs ADMITTING it? I declined joining his fucking cult, it doesn't matter what the logs say. SCUM SHOT ME YESTERDAY YOU FUCK[/rant]
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Wiggles why would scum shoot me? Why wouldn't they shoot you? UGH
##Unvote
##Vote: Ace
When I tried to write a case on Wiggles I found that I was just making shit up each time. I just want to live.
But I toooootes think Ace is scum. I did before Wiggles case, but I too scared
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Everyone should vote for Ace. He's definitely scum. Regardless of what you think of me or my dumbass shenanigans, scum shot me last night. They shot me for a reason. And Ace is pushing for my lynch. Why? Even if he suspects that I've joined some third party cult, the fact remains that scum wanted me dead for some reason last night. And regardless of what you think of me and my shenanigans, that means something. And Ace is also vehemently pushing for my lynch.
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Think about it. Why all of a sudden is lynching VE a priority? EVEN IF I joined some 3rd party cult why would lynching me take priority over lynching scum? That doesn't even make sense, because scum tried to KILL ME last night. Why would killing the person scum tried to kill N1 take priority over lynching OR EVEN DISCUSSING scum? Where is Ace? Who does he think is scum OUTSIDE of the whole VE thing?
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On March 21 2013 13:47 Mocsta wrote:
Even if wiggles case on Ace reads well...
quite a few had a scum read on him
how can you proceed to vote for your scum reads case; and not even scrutinise either the case itself, or wiggles agenda?
Best case scenario:
We lynch scum Ace.. does Wiggles become confirmed town?
Worst case scenario:
We lynch mislynch Ace.. what happens to Wiggles? you guys didnt critique the case, he gets to walk away scot-free.
Why are you using hypothetical scenarios as a determining factor in THIS lynch? Why can't we judge Wiggles further play and decide based on that whether he's scum or not after lynching Ace based on Wiggles case if you think it's good?
It's a good case, and I fully endorse it. Ace is scum.
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On March 21 2013 14:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 14:07 Mocsta wrote:
(1) I dont think the solid makes a lot of worst-case leaps of faith
(2) Since when you do you vote for your scum reads suspect?.. YOU KNWO THIS.. IN NOMINATION MAFIA
AS SCUM.. U DROPPED YOUR SCUM READ ON PALMAR, TO FOLLOW PALMAR SCUM READ: PRPLHZ
EBWOP (1) I dont htink the case is solid as it makes a lot of worst-case leaps of faith
Explain
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geript: Ace is scum. The third party thing is irrelevant. Completely. The only reason I made a big deal about it was because I felt like I was being ignored. But the fact is that if I EVER had any intention of joining a third party faction, or had any inclination that I ALREADY HAD been inducted into a third party faction, I certainly wouldn't post a log that INCLUDES me accepting his offer. There's no reason for me to do that as any alignment but town.
Now, factor everything in. I was shot at last night. Ace has trouble finding scum reads. A wild anonymous mason appears. VE shits up the thread. Ace suddenly wants to lynch VE? The third party thing MEANS NOTHING. Why would Ace prioritize lynching a possible 3rd party over finding scum?
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Like fine, whatever, you guys can't trust me anymore, blah blah, but at least try and lynch SCUM if it's right in front of your face.
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Mocsta give me an example of Wiggles "usng worst case scenarios" as the basis of his argument please. You cited this as your reason for opposing the case.
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WaveOfShadow sir. You have claimed Cop. You are now medic priority #1. As payment for this luxury, you are now required to give your full opinion on the Ace Case by Wiggles.
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I'll megacase later. I'm trying to get Ace lynched right now.
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I'm not railing against anything. Why are you unwilling to lynch Ace?
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Wave talk to me. Why won't you comment on Wiggles case or lynch Ace? His case is super strong.
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Scum are trying to spam away the Wiggles case. I'm going to repost it every page until the lynch.
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On March 21 2013 12:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:I want Ace to die. As I'm about to show, he is scum, and his head should roll. Firstly, I will give an overview of Ace's play this game. So far, he has been: Promising reads on mafia, but not delivering any. Pushing a lynch on someone based on the assumption that they are third party, to the exclusion of everything else*. Talking about general role mechanics/fluff otherwise. When Ace joined the game, he made this post, indicating that he was excited to join the game and start scumhunting: Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 11:59 Ace wrote:
I just recently got my role guys, going to read the thread from Day 1 later and start casting votes ^_^ However, since then, he has yet to share a cogent read on who he thinks is mafia. The closest we get to a solid mafia read from Ace is him calling Mocsta scum, with a small amount of justification, but in the hours that follow before he posts again, he doesn't make any sort of push for his lynch or pressure him. As well, the only other read Ace provides is to call WoS town, but more solid reasoning doesn't come until directly after WoS has claimed DT and therefore put the brakes on his lynch. Since then, the only thing Ace has provided are more promises of finding mafia and pushing the lynch onto VE based on an emotional push that plays on town's fears while trying to stopper discussion on other lynch targets. He makes this post asking town to stop talking about other lynch targets and to lynch VE: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 01:52 Ace wrote:
Stop talking about other people and stay focused on one person at a time. Jesus I don't want to have to teach people how to play my first game back in months.
Just dealwith VE now. Re-read the log: He accepted to join a 3rd party that clearly doesn't have interest in helping the Town. Whether VE is still Townis irrelevant: whatever powers he gets or grants to the 3rd party isn't going to help us. Lynch him now. Treat him like a self aware Miller and just solve the problem immediately. He is then questioned about why we can't scumhunt and lynch VE at the same time, and this is how he responds: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:02 Ace wrote:
We aren't going to stop scumhunting: that would be dumb.
But leaving a claimed 3rd party player alive, when it empowers a player we have no idea about is just as dumb. I don't see how this is a difficult concept to understand.
I guess you guys think leaving claimed Serial Killers alive is a good idea as long as they help the town. lulz. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:11 Ace wrote:
zarepath, if VE is some kind of 3rd party Vet with more than 1 shot powers he can only die by lynch. I'm pretty sure the Town has some kind of night KP - we find a Scum today and vigi him. Both problems solved. So here he's saying that we should still scumhunt while we lynch VE. However, he has not done that. He has not shared any reads, and he has not provided any information that might help town find mafia to follow his own plan of shooting them tonight. There is no reason not to talk about other scum candidates during the day, even if the decision to lynch VE was unanimous, as it is still time that town can easily use to discuss cases and help formulate targets for a potential vig. Ace has not done this, but instead has continued tunneling on the VE wagon, without feeling the need to do anything else of value, despite posting throughout the day. Now, I will explain why I find the way Ace is pushing the VE lynch scummy: Firstly, he does not question The Mirror at all. Ace simply assumes that The Mirror is a third party recruiter and that VE has been recruited without taking any time to reflect on the situation, instead opting to sweep up town into a whirlwind of paranoia and confusion. Ace is very quick to spam the idea that VE is third party and that he has to be the lynch, as shown in these posts: + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2013 01:24 Ace wrote:
lynch VE. now. On March 21 2013 01:38 Ace wrote:
your right, it's not like a claimed Vet is a confirmed Town sure to get shot because he is running around popping Scum and didn't just say he accepted an invite from 3rd party.
Stop being ridiculous. On March 21 2013 01:42 Ace wrote:
I dont have one, and I don't think it's important right now.Lynch VE. On March 21 2013 01:47 Ace wrote:
Who CARES if he is a Vet? He just posted logs of him joining a 3rd party and even said fuck the Town. This isn't hard. On March 21 2013 01:52 Ace wrote:
Stop talking about other people and stay focused on one person at a time. Jesus I don't want to have to teach people how to play my first game back in months.
Just dealwith VE now. Re-read the log: He accepted to join a 3rd party that clearly doesn't have interest in helping the Town. Whether VE is still Townis irrelevant: whatever powers he gets or grants to the 3rd party isn't going to help us. Lynch him now. Treat him like a self aware Miller and just solve the problem immediately. Within 30 minutes, Ace has posted 5 times reinforcing that VE is third-party and has to be lynched. In later posts, he continues to overplay the threat of VE that he has established, saying that he has extra powers, that he's unkillable, and that we'd have an unlynchable anti-town player at one point. These don't provide any additional reasons for why VE is scum, instead they only help scare town into thinking VE will become some unstoppable third party if he's left alive. Now, I find this disingenuous, because Ace did not take any time to consider any other possibilities, and he took everything said in the QT at face value. He does not question if The Mirror is actually a third party recruiter, he does not question if VE actually receives powers, he does not question anything at all. Instead, he takes the opportunity of the posted logs to derail the town into a witch hunt and single-mindedly beats in the idea that VE is now third party. Ace is a very good scum player. He has a keen sense of timing and is quick to seize opportunities presented to him in the thread. He played a very lurky style without doing much of anything until he saw his chance and jumped on VE and his QT logs. Since then he has pushed only this idea, which makes it look like he is actually doing something, while he has done nothing at all, and distracts town from hunting mafia. This is why I believe Ace is scum, and needs to hang. ##Vote: Ace
Supporting Meta: + Show Spoiler +As scum, I find that Ace often likes to waste town's time talking about useless things, while doing only the minimal amount needed to look town. For example, in Sleeper Cell mafia, he got town to talk about a hypothetical situation which had no bearing on the game, wasting time on Day 1. In Wheel of Fortune mafia, he launched town into a discussion of role mechanics and possible set-up plans, distracting from scumhunting and effective play. I see the same sort of play here, with Ace pushing the town into considering third parties and possible recruiters instead of focusing on scum. Additionally, I would like to contrast his play here to his play in Mafia XLVII, which I hosted. In that game, Ace replaced into the game on Day 2, taking on the role of Vigilante. As well, to put things in perspective, at that time there were over 100 pages posted, and the town was in near complete chaos without any strong town leaders or direction. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=377I was very interested to see Ace's town play that game, and while he was unfortunately modkilled, I think the distinction in play between this game and that one is pretty telling. In that game, Ace was aggressive and assertive, trying quickly to set the town back on track and get them focused on hunting scum. He wasn't scared to share reads and didn't waste time mincing words. To illustrate, I'll quote his first four posts: + Show Spoiler +On November 28 2011 08:29 Ace wrote:
I will not even read my role PM and still win this game. First thing you guys should do is lynch Palmar and then lynch supersoft. On November 28 2011 08:34 Ace wrote:Also hier and that guy's name that starts with a v were making a lot of sense from my skims. You should protect them at all costs. Everyone else is food. Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 08:32 Hier wrote:On November 28 2011 08:29 Ace wrote:
I will not even read my role PM and still win this game. First thing you guys should do is lynch Palmar and then lynch supersoft. Did you replace a mobster? I roll auto-town in every game I play. On November 28 2011 08:47 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 08:39 Benjef wrote:
Haha I love this Ace guy already. Any reasoning behind your want to lynch Palmer? Hes done a pretty good job of protecting himself so far but I'm still not 100% sold on him. youngminii isn't a bad player at all. In fact he had a decent amount of posts. Let's keep that in mind. In any game of Mafia with a day start everyone that is Town aligned has no information outside of themselves barring special circumstances. Also keep in mind that lynches are used to get rid of Scum. The Mayor gets his 1 time auto-lynch. Who should he lynch? Remember, the Mayor if Town doesn't know who is Scum. He is just as much in the dark as everyone else. So why would you lynch youngminii?The only justification is if he can be proven to be Scum. But it's a day start, hence Palmar doesn't have enough information to justify lynching an active player. Typically you want to lynch someone that is inactive or known to be useless. YM doesn't fit either of these criteria. The Mayor abused his power to get rid of someone who he didn't like. Which even if he was Town-aligned shows our Mayor isn't fit enough for office to think clearly and take dissenting opinions without making a bold move. But Palmar is a decent player (far, far, far below my level but still). So he should know better than to do that. Combine his expected behavior with his ridiculous actions = Scum Mayor. supersoft is terrible so you want to get rid of him asap. Easily sheeped into doing Scummy things. Very possible he is Scum. On November 28 2011 08:51 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 08:43 Hassybaby wrote:Dammit...I was just about to say: Teach me your ways Ace. Be the Boxer to my iloveoov! But back on topic, x you asked me to look at super. Well, I had a read through his posts. Didn't see any major scummy indicators IMO, but then Ace sorta came in, so 'id love to sere what he's gonna say about it. One thing struck me as weird: On November 25 2011 19:46 supersoft wrote:On November 25 2011 19:38 Ciryandor wrote:On November 25 2011 19:26 supersoft wrote:
this game would be much more fun if i were mafia:
i'd play like wbg or redFF, flooding the whole thread with bullshit. Just a question, then why lurk? That's like doing a WIFOM of what you are. I know you think that Sand/Palmar's candidacy are the best bets for town, why not provide support for them and at least downplay others' concerns if you think they're townie and they deserve your support? maybe i dont think that? so far i think only wbg and redff are town. but these two arent capable to be mayor. they're just too spammy/emotional etc. if palmar and sandroba fail to convince me, i am going to try to find someone alse. Something doesn't sounds right there. How can you say they're flooding the thread with bullshit, then say straight after that they're town? They're vets, so they should know better right? supersoft is a typical sheep. However if he's easily pandering to Palmar and handroba to convince him that just reeks of Scum selling his vote (until it hits an ally). Now, contrast that to this game. While the circumstances are very similar, the difference in play seems night and day. The Ace in this game is not the same town Ace that I enjoyed watching play in XLVII. In this game, he is not worried about catching scum or providing direction to the town. He is only worried with wasting time and doing enough to make himself look good.
Now, I'll talk a little bit about VE and his logs. Firstly, there's no reason to believe that The Mirror is actually a third party recruiter. All we have to support that idea, is The Mirror's word, which for obvious reasons we cannot trust. In fact, it makes sense to me that The Mirror is a scum mason. VE already outed BH in the thread as masoning him, and had outed The Mirror rather quickly as well. Scum would know this, so by masoning VE, they can nearly assure that he will report back to the thread with what he was told. This puts the idea in the thread that there's a third party recruiter, which would cause mass confusion for town. If town thinks there's a third party, they're going to start looking for third party players that don't exist. They're going to point out people as being third party, they're going to want to kill people for being third party, and later in the game when no third parties have flipped, town will get nervous and start looking for third party under the assumption that there's quite a lot of them by now and therefore they're a present threat that needs to be dealt with. It's a very good, slick, move for mafia, because it costs them nothing (the mason is anonymous), but it causes mass confusion and misdirection in the town from the time it is revealed until the end of the game. As well, I can't really see VE doing what he did if he was actually recruited. Firstly, why out himself or his new ally to the thread, especially at the same time? It doesn't make any sense. It's much better to keep is new faction a secret, so that they can gain strength. Posting it in the thread doesn't benefit him at all. Therefore, it's much more likely that VE was not recruited. So overall, I think The Mirror is very likely to be a mafia mason trying to spread confusion.
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On March 21 2013 14:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum are trying to spam away the Wiggles case. I'm going to repost it every page until the lynch. Let me guess.. my counter to it was shite and not applicable? lol.. wait. i dont need to guess.. course a tunneled VE is gonna say that.
That's some inherent guilt you got there Mocsta. I'm just doing my part for the town.
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On March 21 2013 12:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:I want Ace to die. As I'm about to show, he is scum, and his head should roll. Firstly, I will give an overview of Ace's play this game. So far, he has been: Promising reads on mafia, but not delivering any. Pushing a lynch on someone based on the assumption that they are third party, to the exclusion of everything else*. Talking about general role mechanics/fluff otherwise. When Ace joined the game, he made this post, indicating that he was excited to join the game and start scumhunting: Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 11:59 Ace wrote:
I just recently got my role guys, going to read the thread from Day 1 later and start casting votes ^_^ However, since then, he has yet to share a cogent read on who he thinks is mafia. The closest we get to a solid mafia read from Ace is him calling Mocsta scum, with a small amount of justification, but in the hours that follow before he posts again, he doesn't make any sort of push for his lynch or pressure him. As well, the only other read Ace provides is to call WoS town, but more solid reasoning doesn't come until directly after WoS has claimed DT and therefore put the brakes on his lynch. Since then, the only thing Ace has provided are more promises of finding mafia and pushing the lynch onto VE based on an emotional push that plays on town's fears while trying to stopper discussion on other lynch targets. He makes this post asking town to stop talking about other lynch targets and to lynch VE: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 01:52 Ace wrote:
Stop talking about other people and stay focused on one person at a time. Jesus I don't want to have to teach people how to play my first game back in months.
Just dealwith VE now. Re-read the log: He accepted to join a 3rd party that clearly doesn't have interest in helping the Town. Whether VE is still Townis irrelevant: whatever powers he gets or grants to the 3rd party isn't going to help us. Lynch him now. Treat him like a self aware Miller and just solve the problem immediately. He is then questioned about why we can't scumhunt and lynch VE at the same time, and this is how he responds: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:02 Ace wrote:
We aren't going to stop scumhunting: that would be dumb.
But leaving a claimed 3rd party player alive, when it empowers a player we have no idea about is just as dumb. I don't see how this is a difficult concept to understand.
I guess you guys think leaving claimed Serial Killers alive is a good idea as long as they help the town. lulz. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:11 Ace wrote:
zarepath, if VE is some kind of 3rd party Vet with more than 1 shot powers he can only die by lynch. I'm pretty sure the Town has some kind of night KP - we find a Scum today and vigi him. Both problems solved. So here he's saying that we should still scumhunt while we lynch VE. However, he has not done that. He has not shared any reads, and he has not provided any information that might help town find mafia to follow his own plan of shooting them tonight. There is no reason not to talk about other scum candidates during the day, even if the decision to lynch VE was unanimous, as it is still time that town can easily use to discuss cases and help formulate targets for a potential vig. Ace has not done this, but instead has continued tunneling on the VE wagon, without feeling the need to do anything else of value, despite posting throughout the day. Now, I will explain why I find the way Ace is pushing the VE lynch scummy: Firstly, he does not question The Mirror at all. Ace simply assumes that The Mirror is a third party recruiter and that VE has been recruited without taking any time to reflect on the situation, instead opting to sweep up town into a whirlwind of paranoia and confusion. Ace is very quick to spam the idea that VE is third party and that he has to be the lynch, as shown in these posts: + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2013 01:24 Ace wrote:
lynch VE. now. On March 21 2013 01:38 Ace wrote:
your right, it's not like a claimed Vet is a confirmed Town sure to get shot because he is running around popping Scum and didn't just say he accepted an invite from 3rd party.
Stop being ridiculous. On March 21 2013 01:42 Ace wrote:
I dont have one, and I don't think it's important right now.Lynch VE. On March 21 2013 01:47 Ace wrote:
Who CARES if he is a Vet? He just posted logs of him joining a 3rd party and even said fuck the Town. This isn't hard. On March 21 2013 01:52 Ace wrote:
Stop talking about other people and stay focused on one person at a time. Jesus I don't want to have to teach people how to play my first game back in months.
Just dealwith VE now. Re-read the log: He accepted to join a 3rd party that clearly doesn't have interest in helping the Town. Whether VE is still Townis irrelevant: whatever powers he gets or grants to the 3rd party isn't going to help us. Lynch him now. Treat him like a self aware Miller and just solve the problem immediately. Within 30 minutes, Ace has posted 5 times reinforcing that VE is third-party and has to be lynched. In later posts, he continues to overplay the threat of VE that he has established, saying that he has extra powers, that he's unkillable, and that we'd have an unlynchable anti-town player at one point. These don't provide any additional reasons for why VE is scum, instead they only help scare town into thinking VE will become some unstoppable third party if he's left alive. Now, I find this disingenuous, because Ace did not take any time to consider any other possibilities, and he took everything said in the QT at face value. He does not question if The Mirror is actually a third party recruiter, he does not question if VE actually receives powers, he does not question anything at all. Instead, he takes the opportunity of the posted logs to derail the town into a witch hunt and single-mindedly beats in the idea that VE is now third party. Ace is a very good scum player. He has a keen sense of timing and is quick to seize opportunities presented to him in the thread. He played a very lurky style without doing much of anything until he saw his chance and jumped on VE and his QT logs. Since then he has pushed only this idea, which makes it look like he is actually doing something, while he has done nothing at all, and distracts town from hunting mafia. This is why I believe Ace is scum, and needs to hang. ##Vote: Ace
Supporting Meta: + Show Spoiler +As scum, I find that Ace often likes to waste town's time talking about useless things, while doing only the minimal amount needed to look town. For example, in Sleeper Cell mafia, he got town to talk about a hypothetical situation which had no bearing on the game, wasting time on Day 1. In Wheel of Fortune mafia, he launched town into a discussion of role mechanics and possible set-up plans, distracting from scumhunting and effective play. I see the same sort of play here, with Ace pushing the town into considering third parties and possible recruiters instead of focusing on scum. Additionally, I would like to contrast his play here to his play in Mafia XLVII, which I hosted. In that game, Ace replaced into the game on Day 2, taking on the role of Vigilante. As well, to put things in perspective, at that time there were over 100 pages posted, and the town was in near complete chaos without any strong town leaders or direction. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=377I was very interested to see Ace's town play that game, and while he was unfortunately modkilled, I think the distinction in play between this game and that one is pretty telling. In that game, Ace was aggressive and assertive, trying quickly to set the town back on track and get them focused on hunting scum. He wasn't scared to share reads and didn't waste time mincing words. To illustrate, I'll quote his first four posts: + Show Spoiler +On November 28 2011 08:29 Ace wrote:
I will not even read my role PM and still win this game. First thing you guys should do is lynch Palmar and then lynch supersoft. On November 28 2011 08:34 Ace wrote:Also hier and that guy's name that starts with a v were making a lot of sense from my skims. You should protect them at all costs. Everyone else is food. Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 08:32 Hier wrote:On November 28 2011 08:29 Ace wrote:
I will not even read my role PM and still win this game. First thing you guys should do is lynch Palmar and then lynch supersoft. Did you replace a mobster? I roll auto-town in every game I play. On November 28 2011 08:47 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 08:39 Benjef wrote:
Haha I love this Ace guy already. Any reasoning behind your want to lynch Palmer? Hes done a pretty good job of protecting himself so far but I'm still not 100% sold on him. youngminii isn't a bad player at all. In fact he had a decent amount of posts. Let's keep that in mind. In any game of Mafia with a day start everyone that is Town aligned has no information outside of themselves barring special circumstances. Also keep in mind that lynches are used to get rid of Scum. The Mayor gets his 1 time auto-lynch. Who should he lynch? Remember, the Mayor if Town doesn't know who is Scum. He is just as much in the dark as everyone else. So why would you lynch youngminii?The only justification is if he can be proven to be Scum. But it's a day start, hence Palmar doesn't have enough information to justify lynching an active player. Typically you want to lynch someone that is inactive or known to be useless. YM doesn't fit either of these criteria. The Mayor abused his power to get rid of someone who he didn't like. Which even if he was Town-aligned shows our Mayor isn't fit enough for office to think clearly and take dissenting opinions without making a bold move. But Palmar is a decent player (far, far, far below my level but still). So he should know better than to do that. Combine his expected behavior with his ridiculous actions = Scum Mayor. supersoft is terrible so you want to get rid of him asap. Easily sheeped into doing Scummy things. Very possible he is Scum. On November 28 2011 08:51 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 08:43 Hassybaby wrote:Dammit...I was just about to say: Teach me your ways Ace. Be the Boxer to my iloveoov! But back on topic, x you asked me to look at super. Well, I had a read through his posts. Didn't see any major scummy indicators IMO, but then Ace sorta came in, so 'id love to sere what he's gonna say about it. One thing struck me as weird: On November 25 2011 19:46 supersoft wrote:On November 25 2011 19:38 Ciryandor wrote:On November 25 2011 19:26 supersoft wrote:
this game would be much more fun if i were mafia:
i'd play like wbg or redFF, flooding the whole thread with bullshit. Just a question, then why lurk? That's like doing a WIFOM of what you are. I know you think that Sand/Palmar's candidacy are the best bets for town, why not provide support for them and at least downplay others' concerns if you think they're townie and they deserve your support? maybe i dont think that? so far i think only wbg and redff are town. but these two arent capable to be mayor. they're just too spammy/emotional etc. if palmar and sandroba fail to convince me, i am going to try to find someone alse. Something doesn't sounds right there. How can you say they're flooding the thread with bullshit, then say straight after that they're town? They're vets, so they should know better right? supersoft is a typical sheep. However if he's easily pandering to Palmar and handroba to convince him that just reeks of Scum selling his vote (until it hits an ally). Now, contrast that to this game. While the circumstances are very similar, the difference in play seems night and day. The Ace in this game is not the same town Ace that I enjoyed watching play in XLVII. In this game, he is not worried about catching scum or providing direction to the town. He is only worried with wasting time and doing enough to make himself look good.
Now, I'll talk a little bit about VE and his logs. Firstly, there's no reason to believe that The Mirror is actually a third party recruiter. All we have to support that idea, is The Mirror's word, which for obvious reasons we cannot trust. In fact, it makes sense to me that The Mirror is a scum mason. VE already outed BH in the thread as masoning him, and had outed The Mirror rather quickly as well. Scum would know this, so by masoning VE, they can nearly assure that he will report back to the thread with what he was told. This puts the idea in the thread that there's a third party recruiter, which would cause mass confusion for town. If town thinks there's a third party, they're going to start looking for third party players that don't exist. They're going to point out people as being third party, they're going to want to kill people for being third party, and later in the game when no third parties have flipped, town will get nervous and start looking for third party under the assumption that there's quite a lot of them by now and therefore they're a present threat that needs to be dealt with. It's a very good, slick, move for mafia, because it costs them nothing (the mason is anonymous), but it causes mass confusion and misdirection in the town from the time it is revealed until the end of the game. As well, I can't really see VE doing what he did if he was actually recruited. Firstly, why out himself or his new ally to the thread, especially at the same time? It doesn't make any sense. It's much better to keep is new faction a secret, so that they can gain strength. Posting it in the thread doesn't benefit him at all. Therefore, it's much more likely that VE was not recruited. So overall, I think The Mirror is very likely to be a mafia mason trying to spread confusion.
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I guess I'm anxious to hear Mocsta's thoughts on TPS WHOLLY AND SEPARATE case against Ace.
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There was 1KP N1 and I claimed a hit? What kind of evidence are you looking for?
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On March 21 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
There was 1KP N1 and I claimed a hit? What kind of evidence are you looking for? Man.. i have played in a couple town games with you recently (and scum ) my first game with u was normal mini mafia 4.. it hink you were NK'd night 1. u were a bit crazy that game. but i could tell u was town. the games u have been town.. i can tell u are town.. u have a wildness about u.. but its founded on curiosity im not getting any of that this game... but im not getting any of what i see in a scum ve either.. everytime u do something i like.. u follow up with something i dont like... and the whole mirror logs things is such a cluterfuck. you're the biggest question mark in the game for me.. you really are VE. im relaly hoping you're town and having a bad game.. either that or u work best when u have someone to bounce ideas off.. (and no1 was present for that this game)
I'm having a bad game. That's a fact. Regardless of what you think of my alignment, you can see this to be the case (I'm about to be lynched D2, this helps no one on my team regardless which team it is).
But all the FACTS point to me being town.
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I'm not going anywhere. If it looks like I'm being lynched, I'll provide my last reads. I intend to lynch scum today though.
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So you're certain that "The Mirror" is 3rd party and not on the scumteam? Care to share how you acquired this knowledge Mocsta?
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Wow. Just....wow.
I'm still not scum guys. And time will tell if I'm some kind of 3rd party I guess because as of right now I'm an advocate of lynching me BEFORE LYLO. Obviously I'll likely change my tune the closer we draw to LYLO if I indeed turn to 3rd Party.
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Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.
Wade Fell
Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?
But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.
Wade Fell is scum.
I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game.
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On March 22 2013 04:27 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.
Wade Fell
Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?
But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.
Wade Fell is scum.
I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game. This is a MASSIVE WIFOM bomb. If this is your "supercase" then it's just flat-out bad. Like why does town suddenly have to believe you're 3P? And why is it that we'd assume you'd know who the mirror is, when we know NOTHING about the mechanics of this hypothetical third party? And why would anyone probe you for the name of said third party if you somehow joined it, considering that telling us would go against your new wincon?
I'm not saying I'm 3rd Party, and I'm not saying town should believe that I'm 3rd Party. I'm saying that Wade Fell is pushing for my lynch BASED ON the premise that he believes that I'm 3rd Party. This is a fact.
I'm saying that Wade isn't interested in anything I say, he just pokes at me occasionally. I'm trying to understand a town motivation for the way he's posting right now, it's not town BH at all. Contrast the way he's treating me with the way he treated geript in LX. When Wade was absolutely certain of geript's guilt, he was still actively encouraging him to post his thoughts. He was pumping him for information, IN SPITE of him being the top lynch candidate. That's because he was town and was looking for information on where to go after geript flipped red. But geript never did end up flipping red...
MY point is that he's done nothing like that in this game. He's not interested in hearing what his suspects have to say. He's only interested in getting them lynched. And that difference points to a scum agenda.
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I don't have to respond to you guys and your idiotic accusations. I'm actually rooting for a VE lynch at this point, so I don't know what you're even trying to accomplish. I'm about to flip town. SORRY DUDE.
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On March 22 2013 05:27 Coagulation wrote:
lmfao
Do you have any kind of comment on my WF case? Do you have anything to say in response to the content I just put into the thread?
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I want your thoughts on the case. I'm not pushing for anyone's lynch it's nighttime doofus. I want you to discuss my case because I may be dead later and your thoughts now will matter more than your thoughts after I die.
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On March 22 2013 05:31 Wade Fell wrote:
I might be scum but if I am scum I am bussing VE who is also scum
look at him and tell me he's not scum
WADE FELL CLAIMS SCUM LMFAO WHAT IS THIS SHIT?!
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I saw a good case in the Wiggles case. I agreed with the Wiggles case. There's nothing more to say on the matter. IT doesn't matter if he's my top scumread because he posted a case I agreed with on someone else I was suspicious of - much in the way that you agreed with my suspicions on Ryu. But you know, failed to post said "super BH case filled with links and shit"? Remember that BH? You're using this as the crux of your argument against me and you did THE EXACT SAME THING ON N1.
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Which by the way Wade, how's that suspicion of Ryu coming? You keep grasping at things that might possibly make me scum, when you keep NOT providing any supporting reasoning for anyone else you're suspicious of. You're overly aggressive with both myself AND TestSubject AND Peashooter, when you provide virtually NO REASONING for being suspicious.
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Hyperbole is one of my most endearing quirks and everyone fucking knows that Wade. I had no "irrefutable proof" that Wiggles was scum, I was just trying to get him lynched. I still think he might be scum, but as I've said several times (that you conveniently aren't mentioning or haven't read) that when I tried to write a Wiggles case, I found myself just making shit up.
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Where did I say "hey guys WF isn't perfect"? Where did I say that Wade?
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Tell me what's logically inconsistent about me choosing to add my vote to a lynch candidate based on a case that I like? What's logically inconsistent about that? TELL ME WADE! Don't say some shit about "OH he was your top scumread" because that's associative bullshit FUCKING HORRIBLE PLAY WADE. Wiggles made a case I liked, I added my vote. That's what happened.
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And what do you make of my claim Wade? Do you suppose I'm scum who withheld a shot on N1 to claim Vet? Is that what you think happened? You're not even TRYING to figure things out based on facts, you're just grabbing shit that looks scummy and decrying me for it. THIS IS SCUM BEHAVIOR.
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But it's the only information we get Wade! It's the only information presented to us! I'm telling you that I got hit last night. That's a fact. So what do you make of that? Do you think I'm lying? Do you think I did not get hit Wade? That's not speculating about night actions, that's giving your conclusion based on a FACT (VE has claimed a shot).
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Here you go again, misrepresenting my position in a scummy way. I asked you about your opinion of my claim. You're afraid to say that you think I'm lying because you know that I'm telling the truth and you're afraid that you might get caught by a tracker or watcher or something else. You're scared to take a stand about a fact (VE has claimed a shot) because you're afraid how it will reflect on your position.
How's that for behavioral analysis Wade? I'm analyzing your behavior instead of speculating about night actions! How about that?!
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VisceraEyes SuperCase Volume 1
Wade Fell
+ Show Spoiler +On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.
Wade Fell
Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?
But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.
Wade Fell is scum.
I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game. On March 22 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 04:27 goodkarma wrote:On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.
Wade Fell
Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?
But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.
Wade Fell is scum.
I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game. This is a MASSIVE WIFOM bomb. If this is your "supercase" then it's just flat-out bad. Like why does town suddenly have to believe you're 3P? And why is it that we'd assume you'd know who the mirror is, when we know NOTHING about the mechanics of this hypothetical third party? And why would anyone probe you for the name of said third party if you somehow joined it, considering that telling us would go against your new wincon? I'm not saying I'm 3rd Party, and I'm not saying town should believe that I'm 3rd Party. I'm saying that Wade Fell is pushing for my lynch BASED ON the premise that he believes that I'm3rd Party. This is a fact. I'm saying that Wade isn't interested in anything I say, he just pokes at me occasionally. I'm trying to understand a town motivation for the way he's posting right now, it's not town BH at all. Contrast the way he's treating me with the way he treated geript in LX. When Wade was absolutely certain of geript's guilt, he was still actively encouraging him to post his thoughts. He was pumping him for information, IN SPITE of him being the top lynch candidate. That's because he was town and was looking for information on where to go after geript flipped red. But geript never did end up flipping red... MY point is that he's done nothing like that in this game. He's not interested in hearing what his suspects have to say. He's only interested in getting them lynched. And that difference points to a scum agenda. On March 22 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here you go again, misrepresenting my position in a scummy way. I asked you about your opinion of my claim. You're afraid to say that you think I'm lying because you know that I'm telling the truth and you're afraid that you might get caught by a tracker or watcher or something else. You're scared to take a stand about a fact (VE has claimed a shot) because you're afraid how it will reflect on your position.
How's that for behavioral analysis Wade? I'm analyzing your behavior instead of speculating about night actions! How about that?!
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Comment on the content Coagulation, or keep out of this.
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I'm not trying to divert attention away from anything. What part of "I don't care if I'm lynched D3" do you not understand? I'm putting my thoughts in the thread for if/when I flip. Nice attempt to discredit me in an attempt to divert attention away from your own scumminess though Wade. <3
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It's also like pretty obvious that I joined the case because I believed in it. zZz
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*yawn* look at all the scum trying to discredit me. Pathetic really.
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Actually I really wouldn't mind a vig shot on me so the lynch is productive. ^^
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On March 22 2013 06:27 RyuSuzaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
*yawn* look at all the scum trying to discredit me. Pathetic really. rofl, I'm scum for pointing out that you have no interest in helping town this game? You have no credit to begin with. You've been utterly antitown this entire game. On day 1 you call Wiggles town, you call BH town, only to out him as a mason later. You lie about being recruited by the mirror (or you have been recruited and you're lying about lying) You take a convenient opportunity post lynch to push the blame onto the originator of the day 1 wagon (me) despite not doing anything yourself to stop it. Really nice way to set up mislynches as scum. On day 2 you don't push your main targets, only get into a pissing contest with BH. AND to top it all off you go from Wiggles = town to Wiggles = scum when it conveniently suits you, only to suddenly turn around when Wiggles provides a case on Ace, a player you never really mentioned, and then you jump on the Ace wagon! So what exactly am I discrediting here? You can't change the facts.
My read going from Wiggles town to Wiggles scum was never "convenient for me". And I'm not "getting into a pissing contest" with BH, I'm explaining why I think he's scum. You didn't even MENTION my case on him, you're just cherrypicking events that suit your argument. I've provided reasoning for all of my scumreads, you're simply ignoring that fact.
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On March 22 2013 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote:VisceraEyes SuperCase Volume 1
Wade Fell + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.
Wade Fell
Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?
But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.
Wade Fell is scum.
I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game. On March 22 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 04:27 goodkarma wrote:On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.
Wade Fell
Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?
But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.
Wade Fell is scum.
I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game. This is a MASSIVE WIFOM bomb. If this is your "supercase" then it's just flat-out bad. Like why does town suddenly have to believe you're 3P? And why is it that we'd assume you'd know who the mirror is, when we know NOTHING about the mechanics of this hypothetical third party? And why would anyone probe you for the name of said third party if you somehow joined it, considering that telling us would go against your new wincon? I'm not saying I'm 3rd Party, and I'm not saying town should believe that I'm 3rd Party. I'm saying that Wade Fell is pushing for my lynch BASED ON the premise that he believes that I'm3rd Party. This is a fact. I'm saying that Wade isn't interested in anything I say, he just pokes at me occasionally. I'm trying to understand a town motivation for the way he's posting right now, it's not town BH at all. Contrast the way he's treating me with the way he treated geript in LX. When Wade was absolutely certain of geript's guilt, he was still actively encouraging him to post his thoughts. He was pumping him for information, IN SPITE of him being the top lynch candidate. That's because he was town and was looking for information on where to go after geript flipped red. But geript never did end up flipping red... MY point is that he's done nothing like that in this game. He's not interested in hearing what his suspects have to say. He's only interested in getting them lynched. And that difference points to a scum agenda. On March 22 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here you go again, misrepresenting my position in a scummy way. I asked you about your opinion of my claim. You're afraid to say that you think I'm lying because you know that I'm telling the truth and you're afraid that you might get caught by a tracker or watcher or something else. You're scared to take a stand about a fact (VE has claimed a shot) because you're afraid how it will reflect on your position.
How's that for behavioral analysis Wade? I'm analyzing your behavior instead of speculating about night actions! How about that?!
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On March 22 2013 06:29 RyuSuzaku wrote:
if you are town, I am trying to help you right now.
I know that as town you are better than this. So, either change your game and help me find scum ASAP or I will get you lynched tomorrow.
I just hope I will live to be able to keep you in check.
Your threat is meaningless. I've resigned to death. That's what you scummy fuckers keep glossing over. I'm DEAD ALREADY because of the shit I pulled yesterday. Rather than niggle me about my play, why don't you explain why my case against WF is wrong? You know, if you're REALLY trying to help me and not just blow smoke up my ass?
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You can't discredit it as "tunneling into Oblivion" because I've been VERY open to other targets. In FACT. In what way am I "tunneling BH into Oblivion" when I'm simultaneously looking at other candidates? This is a blatant lie and a completely transparent attempt to dodge the issue.
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I'm not doing this. I'm not getting drawn into an argument with you. If you think I'm scum then lynch me tomorrow or shoot me tonight if you're able. I don't have time to fuck with you...I've got cases to write.
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I have not admitted to being third party. Just throwing that out there. And to be fair, I'm advocating a vig shot on me over a lynch of me. I would prefer if lynches hit scum. Just sayin.
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Yeah I couldn't be fucked to make the rest of my cases yesterday. I'm going to be honest here: because not a single person was willing to listen to me regarding Wade Fell, someone I was like absolutely certain was mafia, I didn't feel like making any further cases.
Now, I'm still willing to move forward with a VE lynch if enough still fear that I'm playing for a different team. But at this point, I feel like we can almost DEPEND on a Mr. Wiggles lynch. I'm also willing to lynch Ryu and glurio off the top of my head. Anyone else I'll have to look over their filter first.
##Vote: Mr. Wiggles
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On March 22 2013 22:56 glurio wrote:How about you read my last post VE? Here i quote it for you: + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2013 19:14 glurio wrote:Nice shot. I looked through WFs early filter: This interaction looks like scum communicating with scum. (Wiggles and WF) + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 11:06 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 11:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2013 09:27 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 09:24 Kenpachi wrote:On March 17 2013 09:22 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 09:22 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 09:21 Kenpachi wrote:
Is he a smurf? TPS is almost certainly a smurf. More reason, btw, why his so-called "case" on coag is bad. He should definitely know better. exactly what i was thinking but its a case of WIFOM here and i honestly cant tell. There is a possibility he's a smurf of a younger player who hasn't heard of coag, or he literally made his account just before this game started, just to sign up for the last spot. I consider both of these possibilities somewhat unlikely. And, even considering the apparent vacuousness of his vote on coag, he hasn't taken a stance on GK or Geript or really anyone or anything, ignoring all other discussion in town to tunnel his target. This is an easy way for scum to avoid meaningful interaction with town and giving out reads. We don't know anything about his thought-process, so of course it seems WIFOM-ey-- but his play absolutely prevents us from clearing the wine from in front of us. I'm not saying he's a bad scum player-- this is a clever ruse. But he is scum. Town would have an opinion on GK, ESPECIALLY town pushing another lynch. Can this guy really be considered to be "pushing" coag given that he hasn't tried to stop the GK lynch at all? He's putting forth a simulacrum of what a townie does. Clever, but not enough. The thing about this analysis, is that he hasn't done anything at all since he called out Coag. I think it's disingenuous to say he's tunneling Coag when he made a post calling him out, I asked him if he was familiar with his meta, and he freaked out within a short time frame. I agree that I wouldn't say he's pushing Coag, but we don't know if he's just apathetic to pushing it, or he agrees with other cases since he's gone inactive. So I don't really have warm fuzzy feelings about the guy, but I think your case is somewhat misrepresentative, just because he hasn't posted and it's basing things as though he's actually been around to exhibit that behaviour. He stopped posting 2 hours before the first vote on GK went down, but it's been like 18 hours since then. Where is he? He still hasn't weighed in on Geript either, and Geript was under pressure while he was posting in thread. If he comes back, says he's been gone for 18 hours like grooming a chicken or whatever and he has serious thoughts to give, then I may rethink things. But as it stands, simply straight-up lurking and not posting is NOT a defense for his actions. On March 17 2013 11:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I actually kind of get the feeling that Peashooter's just new, but like Kita was saying, and you're implying, if he's a smurf that goes out the window, because he could just be pretending to be new while being experienced.
I think I need to wait for him to post some more to get a more solid read. On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote:
Will your thoughts on him be the same if he's gone for another 6 hours, wiggles? What if he's gone for the rest of the day? On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote:
I too am highly interested in how he will respond to my case and wat's taken place in town since his "departure"
but he is almost certainly a smurf, since the account was created yesterday. On March 17 2013 11:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote:
Will your thoughts on him be the same if he's gone for another 6 hours, wiggles? What if he's gone for the rest of the day? I have someone else in mind for the lynch, and then a vig can just get rid of him if possible. He has to post sometime. To me this piece of conversation does not look natural at all. It looks to me as if both are treading around very carefully, which is quite unlike WF. On top of that all the other points already raised on wiggles by other people. Sadly his filter doesn't give too much. He was always hardcore tunneling either TPS, TestSubject or VE basically the whole game. I will probably read it again when i'm less tired. I also looked through Vivax's filter, he most likely hit GK with his shot. I could find no breadcrumbs to a sciberia hit, while GK was quite often the focus of his attention. Vivax's scumreads were: zarepath, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, goodkarma, DYH, TrancestormUpon reading on his last few posts his focus at that moment was CC, GK and DYH. In sciberias filter we can find a strong scumread on CC + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2013 13:14 sciberbia wrote:OK we really need to consolidate. I have no idea what the votecount is at, but I'd imagine there are still several votes on VE and Wiggles. For those of us who don't like those two candidates, we need a candidate to consolidate on. ace/GK/testsubject have all been thrown out there, but there are disagreements. Personally, I'm nullish on all 3. You guys have given meta reads on all 3 that I could choose to trust in, but as far as in-thread evidence, I'm nullish. Is ANYONE in the thread right now not at least leaning scum on cosmicomics?Look at how he goes about scum hunting D1: Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 07:41 cosmicomics wrote:Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first. On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote
##Vote:CosmicomicsExplain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted? There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that. ##Vote: DarthPunk Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote:On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him? First of all, he doesn't do any scuhunting when he originally enters the thread. Then, we he was ASKED about DP, he sheeped onto an IMO shitty case and voted him. Respond to question and get your vote down. Two birds with 1 stone amirite. Then, he unvotes DP when the wagon loses steam with almost nonexistant reasoning for thinking DP isn't scum anymore: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:21 cosmicomics wrote:
Yea I don't think DarthPunk is the lynch anymore. Just stubborn, but in a consistent townie way.
Upon review VE's case does look pretty bad.
##Unvote: DarthPunk
I'll be looking into the alternatives to decide. He was continually saying how DP was scum and lying about some stupid shit at the start of the game. But now suddenly DP is stubborn and townie. And VE's case wasn't even the reason CC was voting DP in the first place. VE posted his case after CC voted DP twice. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime. This post scummy as mentioned by others. Finally, on D2, CC's big contribution was a massive case on VE. And VE has been the focus of discussion all day. But where is CC? Not here talking about. I pose my question again: Is anyone not at least leaning scum on CCI think that is a very important quality in a consolidation candidate. . So after reading this i would go after the following people in this order: cosmicomics: Both Vivax and sciberia were suspicious of him at the end of the night. High likelihood of being scum. wiggles: weird interaction with Wade Fell, top that with all the cases already against him and we got ourselves a very scummy looking wiggles TranceStorm: + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 22:15 TranceStorm wrote:
Hmm. Some thoughts.
I'm inclined to trust Wade Hand. Like scib had said earlier, it would be much safer for a scum mason to simply a) not mason anyone or b) pretend to mason one of his teammates due to the flip of GM.
As per his case on TPS, I've become more and more convinced after reading through TPS' justifications for voting for GM. It is interesting to note that TPS spends more time talking about how he thinks zarepath is scummy. Personally, I think that TPS 'let it play out' over the GM situation so that he couldn't be nailed over strongly leading the GM lynch as he tried to do with Coag. I'll vote for TPS right now.
My opinion on DoYouHas has retracted somewhat. I don't think he's been 'attaching himself to arguments' as I had said earlier anymore.
Also, Wiggo is still super-scummy in my eyes. His behavior during the GM lynch was really bizarre, but the single post I had highlighted earlier isn't sufficient to make me vote for him. I want to see his analysis today. He defended Wade Fell and called Wiggles super scummy, after the WF flip now this looks really scummy but i also believed Wade Fell with his blue claim so i can't damn him really. DYH: vivax was after him so he has reasons to kill vivax, but i'm not quite convinced here and actually had a strong town read on him. My top scumread right now is cosmicomics. I don't think DYH is scum but he should be questioned further. I don't think TranceStorm AND wiggles are scum. But wiggles looks scummier right now. TLDR: cosmicomics is scum
I read it. You also seem to be red on Wiggles, yet your vote is on CC in spite of there already being support for a Wiggles wagon. So its like...I don't care what you say right now. You're not willing to discuss anything with town ("Read my post" instead of "Do you disagree with me?") so why should I be willing to discuss anything with you?
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On March 22 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Only mildly related: + Show Spoiler +VE I think I'm going to have to shadow a game of yours at some point; if you're town I think you run into a lot of the same issue I do with my town play. Only difference being you're shit tons more experienced and can compensate I guess. In any case I won't be focused on you until we nail a couple other scum at least. What say you specifically regarding glurio? Have you seen my posts on him throughout the thread? I believe Mocsta also was trying to focus attention towards him during the clusterfuck D2, but I was more focused on trying to get people on board with Wriggles or at the very least consolidating. There are also a lot of other things I want to bring up to the thread, for example: Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 08:08 Coagulation wrote:
remove wade fell and add wiggles and they are acceptable. I would probably add ryu and take out zerap also. This comes after he calls WF scummy just a little bit earlier but professes he wants to deal with Wiggles/Ace controversy first. Not sure what to make of this. Also curious as to what DP thinks of his meta read on GK not being as strong as he thought.
That is huge Wave, because it not only came at a time when he had just said WF is scummy, but it also came at a time when my huge WF cases were out and the order of the night was "discredit VE".
Coag on my shitlist because of that sir, I totally missed that.
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I'm gonna go ahead and assume that mason targets are town. Faking logs seems like more trouble than it's worth...unless anyone can give me a compelling argument?
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On March 23 2013 05:50 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 23 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This what you are looking for WoS? Yup that's it. I haven't looked into Kenpachi so much because he's basically useless like so many others here. It's just a shame there are only 4 scum left because I could easily see there being 6-7 based on activity and content alone. Town just has no desire to step it up at all and it's going to cost us this game. Like wtf, his contribution is chastising everyone who actually has the balls to participate in the game and then he fucks off again? I definitely understand why Mocsta ragequit the game. His scumreads are GK and then Vivax. Looks real great on him. You and I both share the same sentiment when you say "Town just has no desire to step it up at all" I find it problematic that BH was so hard to identify as mafia and that there are so many people that do not give off town vibes yeah? Fight me btw, my scumreads are DP and Wiggles and i was busy last night as i have said before.
I found BH quite easy to pin as mafia you jerk.
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Scumslip? 
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On March 23 2013 06:29 DoYouHas wrote:
Ok, I can absolutely get behind a Wiggles lynch after reading that filter.
The way he keeps promising future reads, saying he needs to read more, that he is waiting on players to post. He kept delaying and delaying and still never gave comprehensive reads. I find the way he interacts with with BH/TPS/GK to also be pretty suspicious. Early on he throws a lot of pressure GK's way. After the game has been going for a little while he starts giving opinions on TPS and GK that sound like hedging. He moderates his stances on both TPS and GK such that his options are more open and he isn't directly disagreeing with BH. It reads to me very much like he knew the actual situation as BH was pressuring and didn't want to sabotage what BH was doing. This is me extrapolating from the sense that Wiggles seems to be walking a very careful line between BH/TPS/GK.
I feel pretty strongly right now that Wiggles is scum, and that is where my vote is going.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles
PS. The next 2 I'm looking into are DP and glurio.
I'm gonna request that you prioritize Ryu over glurio if you haven't looked into him yet. He literally lied to me about his sandroba read when I called him out on it earlier and just as my BH case came out he came hard with the discrediting. I'm pretty sure he's scum.
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This is what I'm referring to with the sandroba read.
On March 19 2013 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
although it is very suspicious that after being called out by sandroba, greymist made a simple and weak question and then chose not to address sandroba's accusation.
Is sandroba's accusation not worthy of a response?
Greymist was clearly around after, since he corrected the host just a while ago. Both of these quotes came from the guy who wrote the "super convincing case" against GreYMisT. I find this to be highly suspicious - at first he thinks they could both be scum, sandroba has done nothing between these posts, and suddenly sandroba is town worthy of a response? ##FoS Ryu
On March 19 2013 05:34 RyuSuzaku wrote:-snip- Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba On March 17 2013 04:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
although it is very suspicious that after being called out by sandroba, greymist made a simple and weak question and then chose not to address sandroba's accusation.
Is sandroba's accusation not worthy of a response?
Greymist was clearly around after, since he corrected the host just a while ago. Both of these quotes came from the guy who wrote the "super convincing case" against GreYMisT. I find this to be highly suspicious - at first he thinks they could both be scum, sandroba has done nothing between these posts, and suddenly sandroba is town worthy of a response? ##FoS Ryu I never assumed sandro to be town nor did I ever strongly feel him to be scum. I voted him to begin with to pressure him into explaining his reads. He obviously never did because he was afk the entire time. I ignored him after the replacement was announced. IIRC this was before the replacement was announced. I simply was surprised that a player would ignore sandro's accusation, given that he is widely accepted to be a very good town player. I misinterpreted the situation. Why are you cherry picking me? Are you scum?
Which is clearly not the case because in addition to actually VOTE the guy, he also had this to say.
On March 17 2013 22:57 RyuSuzaku wrote:
man, Wade Fell and VE are so damn annoying. There were a full 2 pages of nothing but useless one liners. I think you both are scaring off posters and it's troublesome.
sandroba hasn't responded to my vote nor has he done anything since his initial comments. I think he has a very good likelihood of being scum because of this. I'd expect him to at least do something in the meantime, but he's simply lurking. While greymist is still a bit suspicious, he at the very least seems to have put in some effort toward finding scum. His target is not very great IMO, but at the very least he is not still lurking.
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On March 23 2013 06:55 DoYouHas wrote:
I am definitely taking another look at Ryu today, I just am woefully ignorant of glurio's filter. That is why I picked it.
VE, what are your thoughts on DP? You agreed in day1(maybe N1) that your initial case on him was bad. Has he stayed on your radar or have you avoided him?
He still hasn't done anything that screams town to me. He's doing a good job of at least OMGUSing engaging people who are suspicious of them, but beyond that there isn't much that indicates scumhunting. Which is odd considering his intimate interaction with the Ace lynch.
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Well to be fair he just came in and was all "Aw man all my scumreads are dead BAH"
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I do. I'm actually reading right now.
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It's hard to compare, mainly because he was under attack early on and was in defensive mode...and he similarly has really only been in defensive mode this game. Not that it looks similar because I agree that it doesn't - in that game he seemed more inclined to defend himself rather than just automatically accuse his accuser, thought it might be because it was Hapa attacking him (someone you say was town by sentiment) so it's hard to say for me. :/
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He certainly stepped up into a semi-leadership position by the end of the day which is COMPLETELY lacking in this game, but again, this one is a larger game with more vets so it's hard to compare.
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Hi guys I'm back. Reading now
gerpit: it had flavor - but it was implicit that I took a hit.
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Trying to make your opponents rage quit by being a huge dick isn't a legit strategy Bugs.
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I'm talking about you jerk I have no problem with spam obviously.
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I don't think that's true at all Kita played a baus game. Laya pretty good too all things considered. But the real hero of the game was Bugs for personally attacking everyone on the right track until they couldn't bear the sight of the thread though.
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That is Ace folly because.....
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So to defend his VE lynch Ace blames DocH setup. Makes sense.
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I brought the shit to town. I said what I said to provoke a response from CC in tread. Apathetic toward town? You are taking one line fromMASON LOGS and trying to tie it to my entire play the game. I doesn't work that way. All evidence points to the oosite...that I cared deely about finding scum.
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Mirror would have just recruited me and I would have lolld my way to victory if I were third party. You repeatedly calling me third party doesn't change the fact that I flipped town Ace. sorry again ot doesn't work that way.
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On April 01 2013 13:38 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 16:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 19 2013 16:26 DoYouHas wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 16:05 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, that instantly makes me like a zarepath lynch much less. Im not following? Its all WIFOM right? If you want more WIFOM, Kei just caught VE in hydra.... Yes, my thinking could be reduced to WIFOM but here it is anyways. Scum priorities for NKs tend to fall along what threatens them the most balanced with a risk/reward assessment. If zare is scum, then the people threatening him right now are myself, Scib, and Vivax (off the top of my head). Vivax might be slightly less of a threat, as people have repeatedly ignored some of the things he says. But both Scib and I are extremely hard lynches at the moment, being considered townie by practically all of the thread (if I have read correctly). This makes Scib and I, and to a lesser degree, Vivax, logical targets IF zarepath is scum, and IF he was feeling the pressure. BH is another logical target if his roleclaim is true (I think it is, but can't be 100% sure). Now consider possible Medic protections. BH has claimed blue which could likely pull a medic's attention. Scib is probably the most townie and biggest threat in general, also a good chance of protection. But that still leaves myself and Vivax as pretty safe targets. Yes, this is WIFOM, but if I was scum this is how I would sift possible targets IF I was worried about zare getting lynched D2. Instead we get a Keirathi kill. A good kill because he is a solid town player, but by killing a replacement player who had very little time to put forth his opinions my guess is that scum is less worried about the track town is currently on, and more worried about a new voice providing a course correction. This is probably best post in thread. I'm going to bed, and I read everything tomorrow. It didn't seem to accomplish anything to respond to this when you posted it, but now that the game is over I am left wondering why you liked this post of mine so much. It seemed to me, even as I wrote it, that it was just a mix of how I pick targets and WIFOM.
It showed critical thought toward the NKs, something sorely lacking in towns these days. That post was my way of telling you that I thought you were town. Nothing more.
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