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ThePeashooter
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On March 16 2013 16:09 sciberbia wrote: Roughly how many blues and scum would you guys expect to be in a game of this size? 5-6 scum, ~5 blues? I've never played a game this big before. Good morning all! I would expect these numbers to be about accurate. To take it a step further we can look at the list and speculate what each name may relate to. There are many players in this game. Not all will be present, unfortunately, but many will. Take from this what you will. If you are not on this list, turn back now. I - The Snake II - The Devil III - The Sword <---- Possibly RBer or Vigilante IV - The Priest <-- Medic? V - The Eye <-- Detective? VI - The Oracle <--- I'd imagine a Watcher type role? VII - The Hero <--- More likely Vigilante candidate VIII - The Minotaur IX - The Nightmare X - The Mirror XI - The Fool XII - The Coward XIII - The Messiah XIV - The Messenger XV - The Dreamer XVI - The Tower XVII - The Key This is all assuming the role names indicate what the role might entail, which I doubt is much of a stretch. I think once we have some flips and have a better idea of how roles correspond to names/numbers. As a warning to this, I imagine the host is well aware that having every name/role listed in the OP could be used to break the game if it were that straight forward. So we should keep that in mind if any sort of plan is brought up involving name claiming. I specifically remember a game I once played where the Mafia aligned team was able to kill an extra person each night if they could correctly guess their role/name. I wouldn't be surprised if that or a similar mechanism was designed into this given the information we have been presented with. | ||
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On March 16 2013 16:20 Wade Fell wrote: Peashooter are you fucking serious You have a problem? | ||
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On March 16 2013 16:23 Wade Fell wrote: Not one I can't solve in 48 hours. ##vote thepeashooter If that's how you feel. I don't believe there is anything wrong with mentioning a few guidelines regarding the game setup and moderate speculation on what it could entail. Anything beyond minor speculation and words of caution would be a foolish endeavor though. Anyway, I'm off to bed. I will try to read a bit before I head to work tomorrow. I work 2-10PM EST. | ||
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ThePeashooter
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Coagulation I see no reason for you to continue being in this game. You have posted nothing of value and show no signs of doing so. On March 16 2013 16:46 Coagulation wrote: im town thank god Annoying spam is annoying. I always hated when people do this and that is not going to change. Why bother saying it? I know making my first post always feels contrived because I never know where to begin, but just saying something stupid and worthless is even worse. Here are his other two gems. On March 16 2013 16:58 Coagulation wrote: ##APPLY: SAST On March 16 2013 17:07 Coagulation wrote: shucks Yeah, its only 3 posts. But I don't care. This trend is stupid and I don't feel like letting this game succumb to spam or stupidity. Vote: Coagulation | ||
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ThePeashooter
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No, you had your chance. You started posting like shit. You get the axe until you prove you shouldn't. I'm not dealing with this into mid game where its a do or die scenario and we can't justify the do. But ask yourself. What has any of those 3 posts brought to the game? They brought nothing except excess posts. It clutters are game and hurts us. It isn't just that they were shit. They were pointless and scummy shit. Pretty much every other person has contributed more than a couple of words in their posts and that's a standard worth holding people to. So we should kill Coagulation because he is both scummy and worthless. I can't imagine a better criteria. | ||
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ThePeashooter
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On March 17 2013 09:27 Wade Fell wrote: There is a possibility he's a smurf of a younger player who hasn't heard of coag, or he literally made his account just before this game started, just to sign up for the last spot. I consider both of these possibilities somewhat unlikely. And, even considering the apparent vacuousness of his vote on coag, he hasn't taken a stance on GK or Geript or really anyone or anything, ignoring all other discussion in town to tunnel his target. This is an easy way for scum to avoid meaningful interaction with town and giving out reads. We don't know anything about his thought-process, so of course it seems WIFOM-ey-- but his play absolutely prevents us from clearing the wine from in front of us. I'm not saying he's a bad scum player-- this is a clever ruse. But he is scum. Town would have an opinion on GK, ESPECIALLY town pushing another lynch. Can this guy really be considered to be "pushing" coag given that he hasn't tried to stop the GK lynch at all? He's putting forth a simulacrum of what a townie does. Clever, but not enough. A large part of me wanted to ignore you entirely. But I will give you a response for the sake of clarifying a few things for other players. I don't really consider you in particular worth responding to, but unfortunately I feel like your loud voice might overwhelm the voices of cooler heads. On March 17 2013 11:06 Wade Fell wrote: He stopped posting 2 hours before the first vote on GK went down, but it's been like 18 hours since then. Where is he? He still hasn't weighed in on Geript either, and Geript was under pressure while he was posting in thread. If he comes back, says he's been gone for 18 hours like grooming a chicken or whatever and he has serious thoughts to give, then I may rethink things. But as it stands, simply straight-up lurking and not posting is NOT a defense for his actions. Learn to read. Seriously. Learn to read. I posted last night that I was working 2pm to 10pm EST. I posted before I went to work and here I am again as I said I'd be. I haven't posted in about 10 hours, not 18. Furthermore I previously stated I would be gone for that time. So please stop at best misrepresenting, and at worst, lying. On to more pressing things. I read GK's filter and I read Wiggles post on it. I would also be inclined to agree that his presentation of himself as being more town than he has been is a bit questionable, particularly when combined with his apparent ability to look up previous games/players but not for Greymist. That being said, I'd be willing to vote for GK based off of this reasoning assuming the post he promised does not come or does not adequately deliver when he gives it. On that note, the sooner you say something GK the sooner we can either move on or kill you. Silence means you die, so I'd act swiftly. | ||
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ThePeashooter
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On March 17 2013 02:26 Coagulation wrote: I got my role pm at like midnight about 5 minutes before I went to bed. And I finally get up and sit down to read thread when I wake up in morning and what do I find but peashooter pissing and moaning that I havnt been POSTING IN MY SLEEP. real fucking solid work there. "THIS GUY ISNT POSTING WHILE HE SLEEPS HE MUST BE SCUM" GJ On March 17 2013 02:29 Coagulation wrote: hey guys unless your reading or posting in thread 23 hours a day your scum according to peashooter. Im sorry we are all not hardcore like peashooter and strap diapers to our asses and drool in front of a keyboard all day like peashooter. or hey maybe hes a shit scum going for the easy target and fabricating bullshit so he doesnt have to contribute. He basically missed the whole point. I'd prefer he was inactive until he became useful as opposed to just posting worthless dribble. Then he just decides to attack me without actually providing anything useful, continuing to completely miss the point I was jabbing him anyway. He could just be stupid, but in mafia, I have found it's wiser to assume Malice before excusing stupidity. On March 17 2013 04:50 Coagulation wrote: peashooter would be my best bet for a scum lynch at this point. I hardly ever have good reads day 1. This is the post that really did it for me. I get it, I accused you. You come out at mad as hell, then say you want to lynch me, but immediately try to absolve yourself of responsibility if it goes wrong. When you combine that with Wade Fall wanting to kill me it could easily snowball and he would still have his wishy washy read and be able to deny responsibility. On March 17 2013 09:59 Coagulation wrote: im going out. I will continue to read over thread on phone. Then he leaves again without ever having said anything constructive or useful. To make a few bullets: 1. Spams and posts nothing of value. 2. In response to that he attacks a strawman. No one ever called him inactive, we said he was posting nothing of value. 3. Thinks I'm really scummy and refuses to actually truly commit on his accusation, which looks like he wants to divert blame if it goes bad. 4. Leaves again without ever actually contributing anything. I truly don't see any reason to keep him around. Which is why I would recommend voting for him over GK, particularly if GK posts something of substance. I am currently leaning more heavily on Coagulation being a better candidate. I would like to hear Mr. Wiggles respond to this case though. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I actually find this a little tough to respond to, because most of my stance towards Coag is based on gut feeling, so that makes it harder to put it into words and explain adequately. Basically, Coag makes short posts a lot of the time, and spams sometimes. He will also post emotionally sometimes. It depends a bit on context though. If he's been playing here recently and he got called out for spamming or not being present in the thread 24 hours a day, I could see him making those posts towards you. If he's scum though, he's smart enough to post like that in order to leverage it to his advantage somehow. In my experience, he isn't the most useful player on Day 1, and starts to have better reads and to share those reads and go after players on later days. That's why I'd be hesitant to lynch him right now. I'd rather wait and just see how he plays. If he doesn't do anything, we can lynch/vig him, otherwise, he'll start to pull his weight. He doesn't play the same as a lot of other people, and I guess it's a little similar to Kenpachi or something. Games I've seen sometimes recently have people wanting to kill Kenpachi because he posts a lot of one-liners and some spammy throw-away posts. But, that's just the way he plays, and people aren't used to it. Coag is kind've similar, unless he's changed since I've played with him. So, I can't contradict that his posts haven't had a ton of bearing on the game so far, or that his response to you was a bit disproportionate, but I can't say I want to lynch him for it, since lynching him would basically be a coin-flip at this stage of the game, as I don't think the way he's been playing is really indicative of his alignment. You can try to policy lynch him, but it won't do anything. You'll just do it for a few games in a row, and he'll just stop playing here for a while. I don't see him changing his play-style just because some people don't like it. tl;dr: Wait and see? I can't make a judgement call one way or the other as far as his alignment (i.e. he's null to me), so I think a different lynch is a better bet to hit red. I respect your opinion, but I feel waiting this out is a bad idea. It's one of those things that's going to constantly be put to a "Next time around" thing, where he will always be second priority. Trust me, Kenpachi was on my list too but I'd probably just try to get a vigi to do it. As a side note, I never try to delegate to vigi's because they usually never listen and a plan should never hinge on them actually listening or doing anything. | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:58 DoYouHas wrote: You are just going to have to get over it. We are at a point where we can actively discuss the merits of cases and wagons instead of just hoping that a brilliantly written case will gather enough sheep to lynch scum. It's a good thing. I have no issue with posting content and I never will, even if it means 100 pages in a day. My issue is with posts like this comprising 25% of the last 80 posts. + Show Spoiler [It's fucking long] + On March 17 2013 14:14 Wade Fell wrote: why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it On March 17 2013 14:19 Wade Fell wrote: We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote: Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game On March 17 2013 14:22 Wade Fell wrote: Ok yes technically it was you, but I would have done the same if town elected me. On March 17 2013 14:24 Wade Fell wrote: man testsubject ok let me play it straight for you oatsmaster fucked up my night check and I still got 2 scum lynched (ok like 1.5 whatever) and when I died town had it in the bag. You lucked into victory lucked On March 17 2013 14:25 Wade Fell wrote: Also testsubject for a guy who's read the thread and can only say "geript and zare are candidates" you sure talk a lot of smack On March 17 2013 14:35 Wade Fell wrote: I mean, I _assume_ a "lynch preference" is the same as a scumread, unless of course he is scum and would prefer to lynch town On March 17 2013 14:42 Wade Fell wrote: Testsubject is basically just making half-assed attacks on the D1 lynchbait kk On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote: Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler + (like latest Batman movie disappointing  )But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt: Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: Jyuht Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat: I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: Golbat YourHarry: I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK On March 17 2013 14:46 Wade Fell wrote: Like look he LITERALLY calls golbat scummy for the same reason he votes Jyuht. That's not GK setting up a voteswap, that's just how the man thinks. On March 17 2013 14:48 Wade Fell wrote: Ok yes in NMMXXIV he is more legit. He talks a bit about the play of the people, he's less shitty. But the idea that GK is bad because he's not evenly applying his criteria for scumminess, or that he's scum for having an easy swap is not correct. On March 17 2013 14:49 Wade Fell wrote: I will note one deviation from meta, though, and that is that town GK typically is asking questions of people and prodding a lot in thread, and this one is not. Still, though, his slow-movingness indicates town GK to me and not the quick-drawing scum GK from LVII On March 17 2013 14:53 Wade Fell wrote: :| I don't like to think I'm wrong about this kind of thing. GK are you here On March 17 2013 14:56 Wade Fell wrote: Ok here's what I'm going to do i still think GK isn't scum and testsubject IS scum. I know it's privileging the hypothesis but all the evidence around testsubject points to him being scum, and GK seems off but not entirely off. I don't want to be wrong, but if i'm wrong I want to be voting the right guy So I'm going to go fluff my komodo dragon's feathers for a bit and think on this. Even though GK's statements all seem scummy his TONE sounds like town GK, and yes I know that's not going to convince anyone but it has me convinced right now. I'll figure out what his deal is and why this is town GK and i'll show you all who's right and who's wrong testsubject be a man and post some serious case rather than flailing around like you are now if you ever want me not to lynch you today On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote: tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote: :| GK this would be a great time to rise to your own defense or something On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote: cause I got nothin really On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote: Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| Every single one of these posts was within an hour and I didn't even select every single post within that specific hour. At some point in life I might actually have to read the guys filter or rest of the damn game. | ||
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I have been suspicious of Greymist from one of his first posts but chose not to say anything in order to see what else he would say. He never actually alleviated my suspicions and even though I think Coag is still worth lynching I am more than happy to lynch greymist. To speak a bit generically, I remember his "ahah!" post when someone called him out for inactivity and acting like it was all part of some crazy plan seemed particularly absurd and scummy to me. So I would advise a switch. I haven't had time to read over the other cases unfortunately and I assume the day is ending in a few hours and I still won't be home for 2-3 hours. To respond to the yamato stuff. I assume he was trying to figure out if I was a smurf or not which is why I just ignored it. There isn't much more to say. | ||
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Use two different browsers that way you can have each one set to log into each account, that way you won't keep posting under your other name because you keep forgetting to log out. | ||
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On March 19 2013 01:40 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2013 01:31 ThePeashooter wrote: There is no point in naming who you think all 5 mafia are when we can only kill one person a day. If you are right they are all on guard now. That was a bit stupid. The only reason you might want to do that is if you think you are very likely to die during this night phase and since half the people thought we were scum buddies at some point yesterday you aren't too likely to be on their list of targets. Can you find an example please? I remember lots of people thinking you were scum "on your own", but didn't see anyone make the connection like I did. Also it's fine if I die N1. Just shows how well I played lol. ...Did you even read anything I wrote? Also how is it that no one has any capacity to reread something to remember anything that hasn't happened in the last 5 minutes? On March 18 2013 00:06 kitaman27 wrote: ...is this a scum slip? As far as I know, ThePeashooter's identity as Yamato is not public knowledge. Was it revealed at any point in the thread? On March 18 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai guise. Geript no offense, but your meta reads are shit. I'll agree with you that something appears...off about zare this game, but glurio does make a point and zare's activity does go way down on weekends. I'm willing to keep an eye on him for now but I don't think he'd be my D1 lynch candidate. I have to look into this Vivax/TPS thing right now because so far it seems the most compelling thing to me. I was going to comment on Coag's bullshit at some point but I figure I have to trust the vets on his meta once again since they ended up being right about Grush last game.....sigh. On March 18 2013 02:19 Coagulation wrote: I may not be on VEs little circle jerk squad but i can still sheep them. im gonna vote ThePeashooter. did anyone ever figure anything out about the yamato slip? was it actually a scum slip? and whats with greymist defending sandroba so hard. On March 18 2013 02:23 layabout wrote: vivax thinks TPS is yamato and started calling him yamato. So either they are both scum, masons or vivax did something "silly". On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not really buying this explanation. When you addressed to him, you made it sound like a fact as if you knew he was yamato. If you were taking a guess, you could have said something like "hey, are you yamato?" or "This is yamato, isn't it?". Furthermore, TPS posts after you address him as yamato and he thinks nothing of it. If I'm playing a game and someone calls me someone I'm not, I'm going to be awful confused. Even though that happened 10 pages ago, you never brought it up again. TPS had ignored your "guess", yet you never followed up on it. If you were truly curious, why not mention it? You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given. ##Vote: Vivax On March 18 2013 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh I like Vivax lynch too. Nothing he's said has made me feel townie on him. I'ma go filter him again. Kita why you hatin on GM? I think he's fine for now, and I certainly don't like him for lynch today. Where's the beef? On March 18 2013 03:01 GreYMisT wrote: Kita I think its possible that vivax slipped up. I can definitely see that scenario happening in this game. I am not sure I am confident enough in the risk of lynching him based off only that though. Let me look over him for anything else. On March 18 2013 03:05 Coagulation wrote: Vivax lynch plz. But yeah, you are definitely a likely kill for tonight. | ||
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