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Second off: On March 16 2013 16:41 geript wrote: When I hit the idea of tarot cards, there were a few things that didn't quite match up. First off the major arcana are usually comprised of roughly twenty or so cards. But in the setup there's only 17 named roles. Additionally the roles don't quite matchup exactly. The Devil, Fool and the Tower are straight copies. The Priest could be the Heirophant. The Empress could be the Snake or the Mirror. The others are harder to tell. Does anyone else think that this could be based off of a tarot reading? On March 16 2013 16:20 ThePeashooter wrote: [/red][/red][/red][/red]Good morning all! I would expect these numbers to be about accurate. To take it a step further we can look at the list and speculate what each name may relate to. This is all assuming the role names indicate what the role might entail, which I doubt is much of a stretch. I think once we have some flips and have a better idea of how roles correspond to names/numbers. As a warning to this, I imagine the host is well aware that having every name/role listed in the OP could be used to break the game if it were that straight forward. So we should keep that in mind if any sort of plan is brought up involving name claiming. I specifically remember a game I once played where the Mafia aligned team was able to kill an extra person each night if they could correctly guess their role/name. I wouldn't be surprised if that or a similar mechanism was designed into this given the information we have been presented with. Stop doing this. There is no use in forming assumptions based off no fact at all. As another aside directed towards Wade: On March 16 2013 16:24 Wade Fell wrote: Is this your first mafia game or are you really a smurf of someone i know trying to pull this garbage While I also think that what he is doing atm is very useless, Why do you think it is worth killing for? | ||
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On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote: Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:38 Hopeless1der wrote: The use of anecdotal evidence to push a non-existent policy is pretty scummy here. Unless lynching townclaims has become a thing. Is this what the kenpachi rule is for, or is that only for kenpachi? So uh, how about the part where he directly acknowledges that VE always opens up with a "hai I'm town" to some degree, and in spite of this, the townclaim is scummy? It should be read as null, every time, unless there's some meta "tone" read that I can't pick up on. Overall, I read through this post and zarepath keeps playing devil's advocate with himself and answering his own questions. There is no mindset of wanting to solve the game to me. I think he's scum. I agree with this look at Zarepath. It appears to me that he is trying to find things to say. | ||
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On March 17 2013 02:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I THOUGHT THIS WAS EXPLICIT by pregame talk and the OP. This is a NORMAL game with a few minor twists and maybe 1 or 2 roles that are out of the ordinary. Not every role in that list is necessarily in the game. This is not Insane Mafia 3. Nor is it Aperture Mafia 2.This is most basically a normal game with a lot of flavor. It's fair to speculate because the setup is mysterious but don't go too far with it, this is a normal game. Aperture mafia 2 already happened. | ||
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On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote: Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.: Greymist First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything... Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value. ##Vote: Greymist Darthpunk Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him. Peashooter When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind. Sandroba Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Perfect, I was waiting for this! Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should. First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence. Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker. What makes this an accusation post rather than just a defense post by me, however, is when we look at the rest of his reads. Instead of just pushing me and trying to convince town to get behind my lynch (something you can see every other town player doing, after all the goal of this game is to reach a majority on players), he goes on to make sure the town knows he MIGHT be swapping to another person, thereby setting himself up for a future vote swap. This is not only to mention the content of his reads here. Notice that he really doesn't have anything to say, and picks on the easy targets. More notably, is that he picks on targets with the same sins as me this game, yet not mentioning why he is voting me over them. I can tell you why, Its because my lack of thread presence, to a scum player, would basically have them salivating for a day 1 miss lynch. I am an easy, low risk lynch with almost no thread presence to back myself up. I find this post suspicious because it is a cookie cutter, "here are a few reads" post that has no interaction with other players, no real pushing, no new information, and in my eyes makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one. I will be voting goodkarma until I can be convinced otherwise. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey Grey is here! Whatchoo think of TestSubject Grey? One of The Team has a hardon for him and I'm looking him over now. Looking now. | ||
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I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote: Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler + (like latest Batman movie disappointing  )But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt: Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: Jyuht Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat: I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: Golbat YourHarry: I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK They are the same structurally, because that's simply how he posts and thinks. That will usually not change between being town and scum. However, a difference I can note is how much more specific he is here, and how he cites specific examples, and tries to convince others that this is the correct choice. In his current cases and thread presnse, I do not get that feeling from him. I get the "Look at my vote and contribution!" feeling | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I got this too. Aside from participating in a little dick waggling with BH I haven't seen much scummy from him either. What do you think about Sandroba? He thinks you're mightily suspicious apparently. Not much to say, he called me scum, didn't vote for me and then joined your team. And that is literally all of his posts. | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:01 goodkarma wrote: @Grey: First off, while you're here would you kindly provide a game you've played in? Secondly I call you my top scumread, and say exactly why. With like half the players in lurker mode, as scum I would have ample "easy targets" to choose from. But as I've said, and as you've failed to discredit, you have been around. Every time you pop in though it's to bring up another shitty one-liner of no content or substance. And yes, you've had an extended absence, but that wasn't even the focus of my arguement. It was based on when you were here. Only when you're accused do you seem to be inspired to contribute anything more. "Easy" or no, you as described are my top scum read. Even including this quoted post, everything you've done is safe. Edit: more content for me to analyze now apparently but going to be posting this anyway since thread is going pretty fast... How many shitty one liners have I posted? You are making it very clear that you just looked over my filter real fast. Almost all of my posts happened in a very close time frame (about 1-2 hours together.) following that I made one post directed at Dr. H, and then went silent. oh and here this is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=390080 | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:11 goodkarma wrote: Maybe what I'm trying to get at is with the time it took you to make those 5-6 "one-liners" you could have made a few higher-value posts but chose not to... And congrats on themed game win%, but sadly that still doesn't really show me how you perform in a normal game. I guess I'll just have to assume you don't play them, and I'll have no history to look through... I count 3 one-liners that I have made, not counting the ademdum to one of my posts in which I spot an editing mistake. Your misrepresentation of your case on me makes it evident that you have not put much thought into it, and more than likely just scanned your "reads'" filters for a case to jump on, and found mine, likely suspecting sandroba support (though this is, admittedly, a stretch). I don't care about your case on me anymore, its clear to me you don't really have one. My vote stays on you for now. | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:20 Coagulation wrote: who the fuck is bh wade fell | ||
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What is a towns objective when making a case? In my eyes it is not to say someone is scum; it must go deeper than that. You job is to display why the actions you have noted make sense from a scum perspective, and don't make sense from a town perspective. The reason you need to do this, aside from the obvious, is that scum can have a very hard time actually finding and pointing out pure scum motivations. In his cases, GK really has not done any of this. He has posted things that are indicative of both poor scum play and poor town play. | ||
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This doesn't cut it when we have real discussion happening and some real targets. Everyone voting sandroba needs to tell us why they prefer him over people who we actually have cases against. | ||
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