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DarthPunk
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geript
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WaveofShadow
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On March 21 2013 00:05 Mocsta wrote: Unfortunately, my defense for you was based on pushing a lynch Day1, which was then pointed out to be false. The context of newbie DT makes sense for the behaviour of not pushing the lynch; thus, mitigating Kita case in my opinion. Hopefully when night comes, you will be medic protected. *fingers crossed* Why do you think I was so confident when I pulled this out you guys would be changing your minds? (WIFOM I guess but whatever) I really wanted to play this game longer. They's gunna double up on me.  Oh well at least I die knowing that townies with actual useful analysis and scumhunting skills will survive! | ||
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zarepath
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You were slow in actually claiming, in presenting your breadcrumbs, and have only been antagonistic the entire process. It's almost as if you were deliberately delaying while you found something you could present as a breadcrumb. I thought that breadcrumbs in non-newbie games were supposed to be really obvious things in retrospect, like using certain capitals or a cipher or whatever. I don't see what town loses if you claim the name of TPS's role (you don't have to say its power or anything, if it has one or not), and he can say "Yes, that's right." Your breadcrumb wasn't convincing and you still haven't explained your switch on Mr. Wiggles, even though he was one of your strongest town reads. I think it's fine to require more proof. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On March 21 2013 00:07 zarepath wrote: You didn't have to make up an elaborate scheme, you just had to make something up when you were going to get lynched and needed to find someone it could look like you'd breadcrumbed. I can't imagine that would be hard to do. You were slow in actually claiming, in presenting your breadcrumbs, and have only been antagonistic the entire process. It's almost as if you were deliberately delaying while you found something you could present as a breadcrumb. I thought that breadcrumbs in non-newbie games were supposed to be really obvious things in retrospect, like using certain capitals or a cipher or whatever. I don't see what town loses if you claim the name of TPS's role (you don't have to say its power or anything, if it has one or not), and he can say "Yes, that's right." Your breadcrumb wasn't convincing and you still haven't explained your switch on Mr. Wiggles, even though he was one of your strongest town reads. I think it's fine to require more proof. I was delaying because I didn't want the game to essentially end for me. In any case scumepath, I said I would be dedicating today to see you or Wiggle hang, so off I go. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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If a few hours from now people agree I'll release the role name. | ||
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Mocsta
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(1) you could out a blue (2) some powers might need to know the role.. and could be scum aligned i see no beenfit, other than declaring TPS is "the fool" pls consider seriously. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On March 21 2013 00:19 Mocsta wrote: zarepath.. howz the mason chat with BH going? Good question. | ||
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zarepath
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As far as the mason chat, it's going pretty awful: + Show Spoiler + zarepath 03-19-2013 10:17 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE I like the case on WoS a lot right now. His slip is pretty similar to TPS's slip, actually. I wonder if there's something there. 11 zarepath 03-19-2013 10:16 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Honestly, I think even if you're onto something, nobody will listen to you because it looks like you are tunneling him and you've been fairly abrasive with VE and TPS. I think it would go a long way if you were to list some other people you also thought to be scum, and mentioned why, and then explained why your scum read on TPS is still the best read. 10 Blazinghand 03-19-2013 09:36 PM ET (US) so that slip from TPS about coag's alignment imo seals it for me. his last post or so has been more reasonable, but there's no good explanation for that slip other than "TPS is scum and knows coag is town". I'll be continuing to push him. I'm pretty sure I can convince people at this point 9 Blazinghand 03-19-2013 09:34 PM ET (US) On March 20 2013 10:33 Coagulation wrote: the butt hurt in this thread is getting thick. I can hardly walk in it. assholes and elbows deep in butt hurt rofl 8 zarepath 03-19-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Yeah, no problem. I'm down with talking more except you were busy at the same time that I was free, so we couldn't really discuss things. I'm open to talk more later but nwo I have to go do some stuff. Ask me any private Q's you want in the meantime if you want. 7 Blazinghand 03-19-2013 05:06 PM ET (US) Also zare you don't seem to get the idea behind this QT. I'm probably one of the best scumhunters on TL. Although if I agree on reads I would appreciate your help, the purpose of this QT is to see what your thought process is like, and to get better insight into what you think. You are not my top town-read, you are just a townread I have that a lot of people think are scum. Since I'm already outed to the thread, it makes the most sense to mason you and try to learn more about your thought process. 6 Blazinghand 03-19-2013 05:00 PM ET (US) DrH was being a slow piece of crap and not setting up the QT between me and GK very quickly. He PMed me and told me to set it up myself and send him the link. I did so, but I he didn't reply (and neither did Oats) and GK didn't post in the thread, so I wrote up a post and stepped out. Later, DrH PMed the link to GK and we used the QT I set up. 5 zarepath 03-19-2013 12:49 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Are you following the thread at all? They're pulling a quote from your logs that makes it look like the first line wasn't written in the Messenger QT. How did that happen? 4 zarepath 03-19-2013 10:44 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Yeah, I'm just not seeing TPS as scum. He's too assertive and active. There are plenty of other people who look way more suspect, like TestSubject, layabout, Mr. Wiggles, and Trance. 3 zarepath 03-19-2013 09:06 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Honestly, you were one of my scum reads until I read all this Messenger stuff, and after reading this QT and before reading the other ones, I thought this was highly suspect -- if you want help lynching your top scum read, why do you pick the townie with the least amount of credibility? Right now I'm going through all the filters to group my reads and present them to the thread, to hopefully get myself some more town cred. Hopefully I'll see something about TPS that makes me agree with you and we can work it out. I'll tell you my reads before I post them up there if you want. 2 Blazinghand 03-19-2013 03:31 AM ET (US) I'm heading to bed and will be back in thread in ~9-10 hours. 1 Blazinghand 03-19-2013 03:16 AM ET (US) I'll keep it short and simple: this QT lasts until the end of the day. I think you're town, but there is a strong current of lynch against you. If you die, it happens, but the most important thing is to use your time alive as best you can. I won't be posting the logs of this QT except with your permission, or to save one of us from a lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18055501 I like how you're thinking here- I like how you think in general, fearlessly and townie. I've updated my case against TPS, and I'd like to know who your top scumreads are, if TPS is among them and whether you'd be interested in collaborating with me to get him lynched. If we both share our though processes with each other, we can get better reads on each other. Do not claim your role to me. | ||
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Mocsta
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"the fool" is green VT there will be one role = goon all other roles i surmise are power..(i dont know this.. but it is a reasonable conclusion) henceforth as TPS != scum any name given other than "fool" means.. he could be a NK target based on being blue.. i dont think its worth the risk. | ||
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Ace
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I feel like from the last few pages we have mostly pro-Town players arguing over trivial stuff. We should start looking at the people on WoS's wagon, especially if you believe he is innocent. I would cross-check that with anyone who tried to push keirathi before his/her death at night and the GreyMist lynch. that being said was GreyMist town? the way it's written is ambiguous. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On March 21 2013 00:27 Ace wrote: zarepath I think this is a scenario of someone playing badly as Town rather than a Scum screwing up the claim. Unless Wos is running some kind of gamble here, he just looks like someone silly /newbie enough to put his own survival over winning as a part of the Town. I feel like from the last few pages we have mostly pro-Town players arguing over trivial stuff. We should start looking at the people on WoS's wagon, especially if you believe he is innocent. I would cross-check that with anyone who tried to push keirathi before his/her death at night and the GreyMist lynch. that being said was GreyMist town? the way it's written is ambiguous. This actually makes my night action PM a little more interesting. Is it automatically assumed that blue always = town? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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I wonder what BH, best scum hunter on TL, has to say about my revelations. And whether he might be wrong about you, zare. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On March 19 2013 03:24 Mocsta wrote: I agree DYH Im up to p15 and my two strongest reads are: GoodKarma + zarepath zarepath already from his first 10 posts, is posting completely different to the 3-4 games I played with him in the past 1 to 2 months (he was town in all of them). 3rd read = weak is Vivax from his first post.. very odd reads, but will reevaluate as i read more of the thread. On March 19 2013 03:09 Mocsta wrote: Im only up to p13. but GoodKarma is scum yo On March 19 2013 09:46 Mocsta wrote: For blatant scummy play like yours, there is no need for a case why do i need to convince YOU, you are scum. I pegged you as scum from the first 10 pages I read.. and now at page 43, your still scum.. its as clear as water. We must cleanse the town of this BadKarma On March 19 2013 11:58 Mocsta wrote: I dont see how anything I have done is scummy.. u guys based way too much on post style which is easily changed do u think im trying to create chaos? cos that would be my inteniton as scum.. sit by idly and pretend im reading the thread unfortunately I am still on page 22... but I saw a shitty post from GK and called him out for it.. than zarepath made a shitty post and i called him otu for it... FACT: there posts were so shitty, id idnt need to read the thread to know they had a scummy vibe.. its classic scum.. big post that says nothing, or remains at a null conclusion If you think I am doing the same thing in my posts today.. then perhaps you need to stop playing mafia.. my intention was been pretty clear cut, blunt, and aggressive. And it all points towards hunting scum. On March 19 2013 14:08 Mocsta wrote: This will drop my credibility of attack. But in fairness. I am only familiar with the posts from 7->20 and 40 -> 47 In those posts, BH is timid (in particular his opening).. im not aware of modkill threatens. So ima take a step back and re-evaluate P.S. the coordination wasnt in reference to mason QT lol On March 19 2013 16:19 Mocsta wrote: I think you are takign the wrong approach. Dr.H i believe on the podcast is true advocate of RNG (with no host post-hoc balance).. hence. the scum team is just as likely being 5 vets and 5 newbies. . its not out of the question for 5 newbies to be his read. I think the right approach is to ask his insight to why those people are scummy.. he doesnt need a case to explain why.. just dot point aspects of play that dont sit right. Ascertain if he is being genuine with his reads, or taking the easy road. (im still on page 20 lol so i cant do this pressure.. i can only comment on things happening in the thread live) On March 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote: YOLO I am ashamed to admit it.. but im still only up to page 22, been flat out @ work and real life. I can keep up with the dynamics happening since I joined, but to start considering who i want to build a case on, i need the context of Day1 (which is missing) Even though the game is low on post count.. im finding it hard to read, dunno why. *I must say* I didnt care for your approach to my questioning yesterday. yes I was overtly aggressive But you proceeded to not answer the question I wrote at the end. That response isnt scummy on its own... but considering I am sure you are aware that you are on my watch list; it is surprising the effort wasnt made to satiate my thirst for knowledge. On March 20 2013 23:03 Mocsta wrote: I havnt lost track honey i have reverted to a green read on zarepath actually i re-reading the game now; and though i still *abhor* his opener.. the following posts interacting with WoS for example are towny (And not because I think WoS is scum) its because he is calling out those ppl for the same thing I disliked and made notes about. I think keirathi was right, hes still newbie-ish town. Im only up to page 15 though  (I know.. its embarassing, but in short. so far, i dnot see zarepath as scummy anymore)I'm intrigued by how often Mocsta claims he hasn't read the whole thread, but what's more intriguing is how his story on how much he's read keeps changing. I find his repeated references to where he's at in the game very scummy - it's almost as if he's trying to push the idea in everyone's head that if he's wrong about someone he's accusing DON'T WORRY, he's only on page X so that could change. | ||
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zarepath
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The issue I have with this is that his breadcrumb frankly sucked and could eaisly have been completely dug-up to "prove" himself blue, and while others are okay with this, there is no way that it's proof. Either he says the name of the role now and we can move on and look at other people, or he has to report each day what he looked at and did. You have a point, Mocsta, about the name of the role possibly being a power tell -- but how are we supposed to keep our scum targets from fake claiming like this every time we're about to lynch them? This whole claim has been done slowly, bitterly, and with vague details. | ||
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DarthPunk
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Right now I am trying to figure out who to look at as a serious lynch candidate. It's pretty hard though. Lots of the scummy players are also lurkers and could just be bad. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On March 21 2013 00:29 WaveofShadow wrote: This actually makes my night action PM a little more interesting. Is it automatically assumed that blue always = town? Yes. | ||
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