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On March 20 2013 23:19 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:17 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 23:14 DarthPunk wrote:
For those who somehow don;t understand why I have a problem with all these town reads with little to no reasoning. Townies just don't think that way. I think I have one solid town read at the moment and I am still not sold on it. So i really don;t know what the fuck people are talking about when they produce town reads and especially 180's from thin air with some weak as shit EXCUSE.
Because that is what all the reasoning for these town reads are. Excuses to think they are town. There is no analysis that will sway others to the read. and there is nothing that I can empathise with in terms of mindset. I dunno if that was a reference to me. But perhaps we saying different things. To me a "town' read balls anywhere from above null to confirmed. Maybe for you, it only means confirmed town. If you talking about confirmed town, the only have three. & 2 are dead. What in the actual fuck? for me it means someone I can say that I am above 80% sure is town. slightly above null is not a town read.
There u go. i dont call ppl 80% town, that means nothing to me
We all use different tools; its not scummy because someone thinks differently.
DP, you're better than this.. Seriously... i actually liked you a lot when you coached me; but this shit.. seriously man. Take a chill pill.
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P.S what i mean is.. when i say someone is town. its generic, and is anything above null
When i say something is "probably town".. i assume that is equivalent to your ">80%" certainty or whatever.
i use null, slightly leaning, leaning, probably, confirmed
thats it... my wording on zarepath was town, if you want specific. slightly leaning.
kk bye nowz
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On March 20 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:17 DarthPunk wrote:
Mocsta. How far into the thread are you? Well before WoS made his post, iw as reading in peace so p14. Cos ppl keep talking to me, its now only p15 perhaps i should jsut stop refereshing and read the whole night.. actually i will jsut do that. im sick of not knowing the status quo.
Yes, NOW go read the thread, now that Ace has called you scum.
But you feel okay actually voting for people and calling people scum without having actually read the thread? That is horrible.
What really makes me mad about this is the fact that you spent time reformatting those logs so that other people could analyze them, but you've only read 15 pages of content. Yet you still feel confident enough to call multiple people scum, case suspicions on several other people, and then bounce as soon as someone calls you scum.
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On March 20 2013 23:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:19 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 23:17 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 23:14 DarthPunk wrote:
For those who somehow don;t understand why I have a problem with all these town reads with little to no reasoning. Townies just don't think that way. I think I have one solid town read at the moment and I am still not sold on it. So i really don;t know what the fuck people are talking about when they produce town reads and especially 180's from thin air with some weak as shit EXCUSE.
Because that is what all the reasoning for these town reads are. Excuses to think they are town. There is no analysis that will sway others to the read. and there is nothing that I can empathise with in terms of mindset. I dunno if that was a reference to me. But perhaps we saying different things. To me a "town' read balls anywhere from above null to confirmed. Maybe for you, it only means confirmed town. If you talking about confirmed town, the only have three. & 2 are dead. What in the actual fuck? for me it means someone I can say that I am above 80% sure is town. slightly above null is not a town read. There u go. i dont call ppl 80% town, that means nothing to me We all use different tools; its not scummy because someone thinks differently. DP, you're better than this.. Seriously... i actually liked you a lot when you coached me; but this shit.. seriously man. Take a chill pill.
Sorry. This is just how I play. I still love you buddy. just separate in game from out of it.
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WoS I looked for crumbs in N1 and couldn't find anything. Are you a DT, a watcher, an organ? What were your actions? You claimed so there's no point in holding secrets now.
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Evidence that WoS is telling the truth about blue role:
On March 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not familiar to heavily themed games but what makes me wonder here about the setup is the sheer number of roles. 17 to be exact. Are these all going to be roles with power?
You only ask this question if your own role is one with power. At the time I wondered if it was just scum blue-hunting, but this comment leads me to believe that WoS is telling the truth.
I want to know why Ace thought WoS was town.
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If WoS is blue he needs to claim properly and stop matyring himself. Like claiming and not getting lynched is good play here. Let's just play correctly and avoid a mislynch with enough time to re-evaluate afterwards.
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On March 20 2013 23:28 Vivax wrote:
WoS I looked for crumbs in N1 and couldn't find anything. Are you a DT, a watcher, an organ? What were your actions? You claimed so there's no point in holding secrets now.
Awww you actually looked. Yay someone listened to me!
Here's one.
On March 19 2013 14:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Goodie.  I'm always interested to hear what people think about me and I'm particularly interested in TPS.
On March 20 2013 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:11 ThePeashooter wrote:On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:52 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:51 zarepath wrote:
VE, what is the name of your role? You never said, you just claimed Vet. What's the purpose of this question? Don't you believe the claim? Zare is scum rolecop imo It's a guy who says these things to a guy who asks questions to a claimed veteran. Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. I think you might be a bit biased in your assessment of your cases. I find Kita's case to be exceptionally strong. You have to keep in mind what the goals are behind a post. What WoS is doing is a typical example of inexperienced scum and Kita illustrated it very well. He wants to be non confrontational and but also doesn't do anything towards town goals. It's that subconscious fear that every mafia player has to get over when the get a red role. You know you are scum, and you feel like everything you see is going to get scrutinized, but you can't say anything and you can't form your own cases because everyone else is town so any case you make you feel would be inherently suspicious. So you end up in this weird state where you are too scared to make your own bullshit case, but need to fake some level of contribution. The end result is the analysis that Kita gave. A skilled scum player learns to take a persons words and use them out of context knowing way too many people will just believe the context you put them in and create a case on someone that most other townies could feasibly get behind. The latter example is what I felt that Wade Fell was doing. However, I haven't done a full analysis on him to view what his motivations are behind his actions. Since it would be taken as OMGUS I preferred if Ace or Kita stepped up and lent a hand since I trust their skill in analyzing the situation and seeing if they agree or disagree with me. I could very well be letting my bias get the way which is why I wanted the help of someone else. Alright let's try TPS now. First of all, fuck you. First thing I was asked after Daypost popped up was do I want to sheep BH's case against you, and I said no, because I believed you were actually maybe capable of doing something useful for the town. Guess I was wrong. Second, inexperienced maybe. Scum, no. I haven't formed any major cases because I honestly can't find a target that hasn't been scrutinized to death already that I could bring something new to the table for. So I act with my vote when I need to. I don't exactly think I've been non-confrontational at all this game, but of course that's a matter of perception. I guess everything I did during the day can just be ignored as well as what I'm doing now, sure. I wish, I WISH you didn't look scummy as fuck because then I'd make a case against YOU, but I still believe you are town, fuck if I know why. Gut reads doing me real justice thus far.
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On March 20 2013 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:28 Vivax wrote:
WoS I looked for crumbs in N1 and couldn't find anything. Are you a DT, a watcher, an organ? What were your actions? You claimed so there's no point in holding secrets now. Awww you actually looked. Yay someone listened to me! Here's one. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 14:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Goodie. I'm always interested to hear what people think about me and I'm particularly interested in TPS. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 20 2013 10:11 ThePeashooter wrote:On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:52 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:51 zarepath wrote:
VE, what is the name of your role? You never said, you just claimed Vet. What's the purpose of this question? Don't you believe the claim? Zare is scum rolecop imo It's a guy who says these things to a guy who asks questions to a claimed veteran. Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. I think you might be a bit biased in your assessment of your cases. I find Kita's case to be exceptionally strong. You have to keep in mind what the goals are behind a post. What WoS is doing is a typical example of inexperienced scum and Kita illustrated it very well. He wants to be non confrontational and but also doesn't do anything towards town goals. It's that subconscious fear that every mafia player has to get over when the get a red role. You know you are scum, and you feel like everything you see is going to get scrutinized, but you can't say anything and you can't form your own cases because everyone else is town so any case you make you feel would be inherently suspicious. So you end up in this weird state where you are too scared to make your own bullshit case, but need to fake some level of contribution. The end result is the analysis that Kita gave. A skilled scum player learns to take a persons words and use them out of context knowing way too many people will just believe the context you put them in and create a case on someone that most other townies could feasibly get behind. The latter example is what I felt that Wade Fell was doing. However, I haven't done a full analysis on him to view what his motivations are behind his actions. Since it would be taken as OMGUS I preferred if Ace or Kita stepped up and lent a hand since I trust their skill in analyzing the situation and seeing if they agree or disagree with me. I could very well be letting my bias get the way which is why I wanted the help of someone else. Alright let's try TPS now. First of all, fuck you. First thing I was asked after Daypost popped up was do I want to sheep BH's case against you, and I said no, because I believed you were actually maybe capable of doing something useful for the town. Guess I was wrong. Second, inexperienced maybe. Scum, no. I haven't formed any major cases because I honestly can't find a target that hasn't been scrutinized to death already that I could bring something new to the table for. So I act with my vote when I need to. I don't exactly think I've been non-confrontational at all this game, but of course that's a matter of perception. I guess everything I did during the day can just be ignored as well as what I'm doing now, sure. I wish, I WISH you didn't look scummy as fuck because then I'd make a case against YOU, but I still believe you are town, fuck if I know why. Gut reads doing me real justice thus far.
Stop playing games. Claim properly. behaving like this around the claim has already lost you a heap of credit in my eyes.
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On March 20 2013 23:23 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 23:17 DarthPunk wrote:
Mocsta. How far into the thread are you? Well before WoS made his post, iw as reading in peace so p14. Cos ppl keep talking to me, its now only p15 perhaps i should jsut stop refereshing and read the whole night.. actually i will jsut do that. im sick of not knowing the status quo. Yes, NOW go read the thread, now that Ace has called you scum. But you feel okay actually voting for people and calling people scum without having actually read the thread? That is horrible. What really makes me mad about this is the fact that you spent time reformatting those logs so that other people could analyze them, but you've only read 15 pages of content. Yet you still feel confident enough to call multiple people scum, case suspicions on several other people, and then bounce as soon as someone calls you scum.
Dickhead.. did you read my case on WoS.
There are aspects of play, you dont need to read the thread to judge.. Some behaviours dont make sense for town, regardless of how the game has panned out.
Stop being a dickhead. what has ace calling me scum got to do with reading the thread anyways.
And yeah, the reason im confident enough to do what im doing is cos im town. What im doing is putting a big fuckn spotlight on me, and some are starting to scrutinse that, and guess what. i dnot really care.
the reason im stoppping posting, isnt cos someone called me scum.
its because i realised im not helping town by making comments without reading the whole thread. If WoS claim is legit, i need to figure out who i want to push for lynch as an alternative. that means I have to re-read the whole thread, and build a full case on whoever. At this stage, most likely BH, but i dunno whats gonna happen when i read pages 20-40 for the first time. Hence why im disappearing.
See ya
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On March 20 2013 23:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 20 2013 23:28 Vivax wrote:
WoS I looked for crumbs in N1 and couldn't find anything. Are you a DT, a watcher, an organ? What were your actions? You claimed so there's no point in holding secrets now. Awww you actually looked. Yay someone listened to me! Here's one. On March 19 2013 14:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Goodie. I'm always interested to hear what people think about me and I'm particularly interested in TPS. On March 20 2013 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 20 2013 10:11 ThePeashooter wrote:On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:52 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:51 zarepath wrote:
VE, what is the name of your role? You never said, you just claimed Vet. What's the purpose of this question? Don't you believe the claim? Zare is scum rolecop imo It's a guy who says these things to a guy who asks questions to a claimed veteran. Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. I think you might be a bit biased in your assessment of your cases. I find Kita's case to be exceptionally strong. You have to keep in mind what the goals are behind a post. What WoS is doing is a typical example of inexperienced scum and Kita illustrated it very well. He wants to be non confrontational and but also doesn't do anything towards town goals. It's that subconscious fear that every mafia player has to get over when the get a red role. You know you are scum, and you feel like everything you see is going to get scrutinized, but you can't say anything and you can't form your own cases because everyone else is town so any case you make you feel would be inherently suspicious. So you end up in this weird state where you are too scared to make your own bullshit case, but need to fake some level of contribution. The end result is the analysis that Kita gave. A skilled scum player learns to take a persons words and use them out of context knowing way too many people will just believe the context you put them in and create a case on someone that most other townies could feasibly get behind. The latter example is what I felt that Wade Fell was doing. However, I haven't done a full analysis on him to view what his motivations are behind his actions. Since it would be taken as OMGUS I preferred if Ace or Kita stepped up and lent a hand since I trust their skill in analyzing the situation and seeing if they agree or disagree with me. I could very well be letting my bias get the way which is why I wanted the help of someone else. Alright let's try TPS now. First of all, fuck you. First thing I was asked after Daypost popped up was do I want to sheep BH's case against you, and I said no, because I believed you were actually maybe capable of doing something useful for the town. Guess I was wrong. Second, inexperienced maybe. Scum, no. I haven't formed any major cases because I honestly can't find a target that hasn't been scrutinized to death already that I could bring something new to the table for. So I act with my vote when I need to. I don't exactly think I've been non-confrontational at all this game, but of course that's a matter of perception. I guess everything I did during the day can just be ignored as well as what I'm doing now, sure. I wish, I WISH you didn't look scummy as fuck because then I'd make a case against YOU, but I still believe you are town, fuck if I know why. Gut reads doing me real justice thus far. Stop playing games. Claim properly. behaving like this around the claim has already lost you a heap of credit in my eyes.
Remember how I said I don't lie? Here's me not lying: I don't give a shit.
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On March 20 2013 23:29 zarepath wrote:
I want to know why Ace thought WoS was town.
I don't see any concrete case for him being Scum so solid that he attracted that many votes in the voting thread. That said I could have easily missed how it got to that point since I've only been skimming pages from after I joined. Just still, if the case was that concrete I would have though to see a quick lynch pretty soon after Day 2 started. Makes me think he's got impulsive townies and/or Scum on the wagon.
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Also bear in mind that ace has not read the whole thread yet and so any reads of his should be at least partially if not completely ignored until he is up to date. Same with mocsta.
Let's just reset and try and calm the fuck down.
OK. I am waiting until WoS claims properly to decide what to do.
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On March 20 2013 23:33 Mocsta wrote:
its because i realised im not helping town by making comments without reading the whole thread. If WoS claim is legit, i need to figure out who i want to push for lynch as an alternative. that means I have to re-read the whole thread, and build a full case on whoever. At this stage, most likely BH, but i dunno whats gonna happen when i read pages 20-40 for the first time. Hence why im disappearing.
See ya
Wow, I am such a dick for calling you out for this when you 100% agree with me, I was obviously way out of line
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Funny thing about my role, from the PM I assumed rolecop which usually means only role, no alignment, especially given this setup when we don't know what the names refer to that would make sense right?
Well I got alignment too.
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No u said i bounce when ppl call me scum
Thats total exaggeration of what happened.
*THATS* why im calling you a dickhead
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On March 20 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Funny thing about my role, from the PM I assumed rolecop which usually means only role, no alignment, especially given this setup when we don't know what the names refer to that would make sense right?
Well I got alignment too.
.. lemme gues.s. this is crumbed too
seirously man.. i want to go back to reading the game, but this carrot is dangling and too tempting..
are you gonna tell us or not?
If not, im just gonna fuck off and read
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On March 20 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Funny thing about my role, from the PM I assumed rolecop which usually means only role, no alignment, especially given this setup when we don't know what the names refer to that would make sense right?
Well I got alignment too.
Well that is fine. Liquid city which was a DrH game had a role+alignment cop.
Who did you check last night? Where is the crumb from the check and what is the result? just say townie/scum not role.
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Yeah, breadcrumbs aren't things that you announce and tell others to waste their time finding if you are town. You highlight them to show off your genius and confirm your role in order to help town.
And there's always a chance you get medic-saved, so no reason to quit trying because you assume mafia will kill you tonight anyway. Play to your wincon WoS
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I think from now on I'm honestly just going to lurk in mafia games. It seems a surefire way to survive as town or scum 'till D4 at least the way TL has played every single game I've ever been in. And fewer chances of me fucking myself over by opening my big mouth.
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