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On March 19 2013 03:07 Vivax wrote:Can you tell me about these 3 guys please? You are here now and read the front page apparently so I don't know what's holding you from reading my case or looking at filters. I would also like to know why you seemed sure I would be NKd. You'd think I would be NKd if I mentioned good reads no? If I mention 5 townies as guys I want to lynch tomorrow, how does that make me a target for NK? You said you didn't even read my case properly yet you seem sure it would be enough to get me killed tonight. + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 01:52 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 01:40 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 01:31 ThePeashooter wrote:
There is no point in naming who you think all 5 mafia are when we can only kill one person a day. If you are right they are all on guard now. That was a bit stupid. The only reason you might want to do that is if you think you are very likely to die during this night phase and since half the people thought we were scum buddies at some point yesterday you aren't too likely to be on their list of targets. Can you find an example please? I remember lots of people thinking you were scum "on your own", but didn't see anyone make the connection like I did. Also it's fine if I die N1. Just shows how well I played lol. ...Did you even read anything I wrote? Also how is it that no one has any capacity to reread something to remember anything that hasn't happened in the last 5 minutes? Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 00:06 kitaman27 wrote:On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out ...is this a scum slip? As far as I know, ThePeashooter's identity as Yamato is not public knowledge. Was it revealed at any point in the thread? Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 18 2013 01:11 geript wrote:On March 17 2013 06:54 zarepath wrote:
I did mix up your tarot card comment with VE because he mentioned something about them later, I think. I looked through your filter, geript, and I liked your comment about coddling Coag and figured you were null for now.
Didn't even Dr.H point out the that natural reaction to get to after going through a filter and arriving at null for town is to go through another filter? Sciberbia's case is good. There's almost no movement from him whatsoever; just random statements. When he's suspicious of someone he's not interacting with the thread at all when pressure is on that person. It's like he's watching the game from a window. Hell, he even didn't like the warbaby lynch in NMM 37, which you coached scum in, but here he's null on everything it seems. He's lied about every scum claiming town in the first post as it was actually most of the town players who soft and/or hard claimed town in the mid-stages of day 1. He's not showing any town motivation that I've seen whatsoever. His meta's off from 37. And the survival mentality is in his posts throughout. Ohai guise. Geript no offense, but your meta reads are shit. I'll agree with you that something appears...off about zare this game, but glurio does make a point and zare's activity does go way down on weekends. I'm willing to keep an eye on him for now but I don't think he'd be my D1 lynch candidate. I have to look into this Vivax/TPS thing right now because so far it seems the most compelling thing to me. I was going to comment on Coag's bullshit at some point but I figure I have to trust the vets on his meta once again since they ended up being right about Grush last game.....sigh. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:19 Coagulation wrote:
I may not be on VEs little circle jerk squad but i can still sheep them.
im gonna vote ThePeashooter.
did anyone ever figure anything out about the yamato slip? was it actually a scum slip? and whats with greymist defending sandroba so hard.
Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:23 layabout wrote:On March 18 2013 02:19 Coagulation wrote:
I may not be on VEs little circle jerk squad but i can still sheep them.
im gonna vote ThePeashooter.
did anyone ever figure anything out about the yamato slip? was it actually a scum slip? and whats with greymist defending sandroba so hard.
vivax thinks TPS is yamato and started calling him yamato. So either they are both scum, masons or vivax did something "silly". Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:On March 18 2013 01:21 Vivax wrote:
The "scumslip": I tried to guess TPS alignment, and it sounds a lot like (a townish) yamato, especially in the two posts after I voted for him. So I actually would like to know if it's really him since he didn't answer to me yet I think.
I'm not too bad at guessing smurfs, I like to do that as either alignment (LX as reference for me doing it as mafia, LIX for town where I guessed marv correctly). I'm not really buying this explanation. When you addressed to him, you made it sound like a fact as if you knew he was yamato. If you were taking a guess, you could have said something like "hey, are you yamato?" or "This is yamato, isn't it?". Furthermore, TPS posts after you address him as yamato and he thinks nothing of it. If I'm playing a game and someone calls me someone I'm not, I'm going to be awful confused. Even though that happened 10 pages ago, you never brought it up again. TPS had ignored your "guess", yet you never followed up on it. If you were truly curious, why not mention it? You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given. ##Vote: Vivax Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh I like Vivax lynch too. Nothing he's said has made me feel townie on him. I'ma go filter him again.
Kita why you hatin on GM? I think he's fine for now, and I certainly don't like him for lynch today.
Where's the beef? Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 03:01 GreYMisT wrote:
Kita I think its possible that vivax slipped up. I can definitely see that scenario happening in this game. I am not sure I am confident enough in the risk of lynching him based off only that though. Let me look over him for anything else. But yeah, you are definitely a likely kill for tonight.
Go read this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18079586
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Yeah Vivax I don't see how you're so certain you're getting lynched tomorrow. It's all WIFOM.
If your reads are accurate then if they lynch you they risk exposing your reads as accurate. If they're not accurate they can lynch and try to make people think your reads are accurate. It's null.
As for you asking absolutely everyone about all your 5 people, I really think you should be focusing; it's too much this early. One at a time. Like, which of the five do YOU feel we should be focused on today and why?
Zarepath?
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Oh didn't realize it was sarcasm apparently. People shouldn't use that it causes trouble in forums.
Don't understand why he's so hostile towards me though.
Anyway, I'm off to training for 2-3 hours so you have plenty of time to give some other reads.
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oh my fuck can you read the thread
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Wos they were talking about nightkills...
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Grrr, that was a painful role to lose.
- I am still confident in my zarepath read from day 1, but that has been rehashed enough already, and it seems fruitless to pursue that further until there is more content or until we get to day2.
- WOS hadn't really caught my eye as particularly suspicious until he started responding to post-flip pressure. I found that particularly scummy (something I will get into in my next post).
- Ryu deserves a good bit of consideration. Remember when BH was attacking TPS for his tunnel on Coag, an unproductive target, and thought that he was using that tunnel to avoid other topics/being constructive? Well that is exactly what Ryu did day1, and it is a scummy trait. He pointed out 'fishy-ness' in the interaction between Sandro and GreY, speculated that they might both be scum, and never moved on from there. He pushed Sandro until Sandro's afk was explained, then he made a case on GreY. A case that, while described by a few people as 'good', contained 2 blatant misrepresentations+ Show Spoiler [Misrepresentations] +Misrepresentation #1: At no point does GreY refer to his "gotcha" moment on GK as a trap. Someone else described it that way, and it stuck. As someone doing a PBPA on GreY, Ryu should have seen this, but he didn't. Instead he runs with this 'setting a trap' mentality as something scummy GreY did, when GreY never actually showed that behavior. Lazy case making.
Misrepresentation #2: Ryu describes GreY's response to GK as "nothing more than OMGUS", which it absolutely wasn't.
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On March 19 2013 03:17 Vivax wrote:
Oh didn't realize it was sarcasm apparently. People shouldn't use that it causes trouble in forums.
Don't understand why he's so hostile towards me though.
Anyway, I'm off to training for 2-3 hours so you have plenty of time to give some other reads.
The first time I said something I realized it might not of been clear if English was a second language. In the post linked I clarified like 3 times. 1. Posting all suspects is stupid unless you are going to die. 2. You are not likely to die. Please try to be a bit more careful when reading to avoid wasting 5 back and forth posts on the same thing.
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On March 19 2013 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah Vivax I don't see how you're so certain you're getting lynched tomorrow. It's all WIFOM.
If your reads are accurate then if they lynch you they risk exposing your reads as accurate. If they're not accurate they can lynch and try to make people think your reads are accurate. It's null.
As for you asking absolutely everyone about all your 5 people, I really think you should be focusing; it's too much this early. One at a time. Like, which of the five do YOU feel we should be focused on today and why?
Zarepath?
Wowwy Wow Wow. WOS just revealed he knows Vivax is town.
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On March 19 2013 03:19 DoYouHas wrote:
- I am still confident in my zarepath read from day 1, but that has been rehashed enough already, and it seems fruitless to pursue that further until there is more content or until we get to day2.
I agree DYH
Im up to p15 and my two strongest reads are: GoodKarma + zarepath
zarepath already from his first 10 posts, is posting completely different to the 3-4 games I played with him in the past 1 to 2 months (he was town in all of them).
3rd read = weak is Vivax from his first post.. very odd reads,
but will reevaluate as i read more of the thread.
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On March 19 2013 03:19 layabout wrote:
Wos they were talking about nightkills...
lolol I meant NK
Welp I guess it's time for the whole thread to assume scumslip for some reason.
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On March 19 2013 03:23 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah Vivax I don't see how you're so certain you're getting lynched tomorrow. It's all WIFOM.
If your reads are accurate then if they lynch you they risk exposing your reads as accurate. If they're not accurate they can lynch and try to make people think your reads are accurate. It's null.
As for you asking absolutely everyone about all your 5 people, I really think you should be focusing; it's too much this early. One at a time. Like, which of the five do YOU feel we should be focused on today and why?
Zarepath? Wowwy Wow Wow. WOS just revealed he knows Vivax is town.
Wat.
GL with that.
And as for responding to post-flip pressure, it just pisses me off that I don't get listened to at all on certain days; people only tend to pay attention to me when they think I'm scummy which has been...let's see....NEVER.
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It may not be a super convicting scumslip, WOS, because what you wrote makes sense if you replace lynch with NK and tomorrow with tonight. But it isn't nothing. You wrote that whole section with the context of 'tomorrow' and 'lynch' in your brain. It wasn't just a single slip, it was repeated, and that is not nothing.
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Haha wow I guess I really do have to be more careful what I post in these games...I make mistakes wayy too often that get seen as scummy. I guess it's good that people are pointing this shit out 'cause I didn't notice, and eventually I'll stop fucking myself over with these mistakes.
I dunno, not much to say about that. I'll blame it on lack of sleep due to 3 month old baby.
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Hey WoS, are you a vanilla townie?
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EBWOP: Never mind, I will bring it up beginning of D2.
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On March 19 2013 03:03 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:50 zarepath wrote:
Are you Yamato or what? The longer you don't respond to this scumslip narrative the more you're allowing us to mislynch Vivax should he be town. He isn't even remotely likely to get lynched and your current attitude when the whole town is now discussing how scummy you are smells of panic. It's like you are trying to just stir up chaos in the face of your imminent demise which I find entertaining. If you were town you would know you were innocent and do something besides lose your head and run around flailing your arms.
Are you yamato ?
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It is odd how unwilling he is to say that he is or isn't Yamato
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I don't find it odd at all. If I was smurfing to hide my identity so I could play a different game than I'm used to so that people don't filter dive me and call me out for meta, why would I give up my identity on the first day and ruin the point?
Obviously the question is what specifically is he trying to hide...
In the end I'm sure he will be found out; I learned from LX that smurfing is hard apparently.
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On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba
On March 17 2013 04:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
although it is very suspicious that after being called out by sandroba, greymist made a simple and weak question and then chose not to address sandroba's accusation.
Is sandroba's accusation not worthy of a response?
Greymist was clearly around after, since he corrected the host just a while ago.
Both of these quotes came from the guy who wrote the "super convincing case" against GreYMisT. I find this to be highly suspicious - at first he thinks they could both be scum, sandroba has done nothing between these posts, and suddenly sandroba is town worthy of a response?
##FoS Ryu
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I won't be around the next few hours but wanted to leave you all with my initial impressions of what can be taken from the Grey mislynch.:
First off, I find it disturbing that Vivax would use the mislynch of Grey as a scumhunting tool. It was something that he helped lead. So calling others scummy for being on that wagon is: 1) a bit of a double standard, and 2) doesn't make much sense to me. Grey was not acting at all like a townie. I would contend that he SHOULD HAVE been lynched the way he was behaving. Like how exactly would you expect a townie to react when you see someone fail to defend himself and go into full-on martyr mode like that? Should we be thinking: "He's trying to martyr himself. That feels pretty townie to me." I don't think anyone here would agree with that line of thinking. We lynched him because he was indistinguishable from a caught scum. It's very unfortunate he was town, but the blame falls mostly on him for refusing to try.
But don't despair, as there still is some information that can be gained from the vote results of day one. Instead of looking at the votes on Grey, I would focus more on the votes not on the two major lynch candidates. There almost certainly are scum on the Grey wagon, but we only need to find one scum for our lynch tomorrow. And Grey was playing so poorly that as either town or scum lynching him could easily be justified. However, refusing to consolidate onto the two major lynch candidates is clearly anti-town. I would focus my attention on those who: 1) should really know better, and 2) seem indifferent about the major lynch candidates, maybe even distancing themselves from the mislynch.
My two cents on this. I'll be back this evening to comment further.
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