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@Viscera:
On March 21 2013 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever I'm ignoring everything everyone says, making supercases and will post them up before the lynch. Hopefully they'll be of use to town when I flip. But please consider lynching into Wiggles, Ryu, Wade Fell, Darth Punk in my absence.
Care to share your "supercases" with us?
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So I come back to see DP proposing a lynch, with the only justification being this:
On March 21 2013 11:19 DarthPunk wrote:
OK Goodkarma is being useless this game. I know goodkarma and he is NEVER useless as town.
##Vote: Goodkarma
I believe you're over-romanticizing that game. I solved the game all in one go, with one post identifying the remaining two scum on day four...
As for being "useless," I wouldn't say I've been useless this game. If you were to look through my filter you should have figured that out... Have I had that ground-breaking case post this game that makes everyone's jaws drop? Not yet, but that doesn't make me scum.
If you're going to make a case against me, at least put some effort into it to show exactly how I'm scum rather than some one-liner.
I'm not liking how we're splitting up our votes yet again RIGHT BEFORE the lynch deadline. Like how the hell are we supposed to catch scum when we divide up everything so nicely for scum to manipulate the vote?
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On March 21 2013 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Three of you just switched to Good Karma in the last twenty minutes. He only has four votes. Why can't we kill Ace again?
There's like honestly no reason...
What you just posted makes sense to me. The "not useful" meta argument I had doesn't seem to hold water, as I believe this is a solid case. While your day one was very scummy, as was some of your wishy-washy reads from today, I feel your case deserves consideration.
Unfortunately, time is short. I'm going to change my vote while I look further into this.:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ace
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On March 21 2013 12:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:26 goodkarma wrote:
I'm not liking how we're splitting up our votes yet again RIGHT BEFORE the lynch deadline. Like how the hell are we supposed to catch scum when we divide up everything so nicely for scum to manipulate the vote? WTF is this shit dude thats one of the best ways to catch scum force them to make quick decisions especially if we voting for one of them...
Maybe if people were actually around. But with the weird hour of this deadline, that's not necessarily the case...
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Would it be possible for us to, like maybe, consolidate on the top two candidates like ~halfway through the day cycle so that, like maybe, we can have a more decisive vote result that can actually be analyzed? It turned into a 3-way split result... Like how in the fuck did you expect things would end well?
But goodkarma, you switched too... There were like 4+ people who couldn't be bothered to consolidate on the top two candidates of the day (VE/Mr. Wiggles), and I thought fuck it (I know, not great reasoning... feel free to hammer me but tbh exactly my thought process). What I saw in Mr. Wiggle's most recent case was what I perceived to be a blatant scumslip. We're talking about the legendary ace. Wanting to hunt who he thought to be 3P and not scum. It just didn't make sense from a town perspective, so even if he wasn't in the game that long I opted to lynch him.
But if you want a TL;DR for what to take from the ace mislynch:
We need to consolidate on two candidates, and anyone who can't be bothered to and/or brings up new candidates late in the cycle should be looked at with extra suspicion. Maybe some people here didn't know better before, but you do now. So no more excuses.
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On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.
Wade Fell
Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?
But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.
Wade Fell is scum.
I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game.
This is a MASSIVE WIFOM bomb.
If this is your "supercase" then it's just flat-out bad. Like why does town suddenly have to believe you're 3P? And why is it that we'd assume you'd know who the mirror is, when we know NOTHING about the mechanics of this hypothetical third party? And why would anyone probe you for the name of said third party if you somehow joined it, considering that telling us would go against your new wincon?
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On March 22 2013 04:32 Coagulation wrote:
I would love it if I was DT checked so I could bitch slap vivax with the results. Just saying.
Why would you try to direct a DT check on yourself? Even if you check out it doesn't mean you're necessarily town. You could have a godfather mechanic to your role as scum. And considering you want to be checked, I'd argue it's likely you're either town or some kind of godfather role.
DT check should be reserved for scum suspects that are seriously being considered for being lynched. Further, it's good to check someone who's looking like scum who's historically actually going to be of use to town if he's town. Would Coag be that beneficial to town if he were to be DT checked and determined to likely be town? Not really...
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EBWOP:
Although, to be fair, I'm liking Coag's questions.
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