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On March 21 2013 12:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I want Ace to die. As I'm about to show, he is scum, and his head should roll.

Firstly, I will give an overview of Ace's play this game. So far, he has been:

Promising reads on mafia, but not delivering any.
Pushing a lynch on someone based on the assumption that they are third party, to the exclusion of everything else*.
Talking about general role mechanics/fluff otherwise.

When Ace joined the game, he made this post, indicating that he was excited to join the game and start scumhunting:

However, since then, he has yet to share a cogent read on who he thinks is mafia.

The closest we get to a solid mafia read from Ace is him calling Mocsta scum, with a small amount of justification, but in the hours that follow before he posts again, he doesn't make any sort of push for his lynch or pressure him. As well, the only other read Ace provides is to call WoS town, but more solid reasoning doesn't come until directly after WoS has claimed DT and therefore put the brakes on his lynch.

Since then, the only thing Ace has provided are more promises of finding mafia and pushing the lynch onto VE based on an emotional push that plays on town's fears while trying to stopper discussion on other lynch targets.

He makes this post asking town to stop talking about other lynch targets and to lynch VE:

He is then questioned about why we can't scumhunt and lynch VE at the same time, and this is how he responds:

So here he's saying that we should still scumhunt while we lynch VE. However, he has not done that. He has not shared any reads, and he has not provided any information that might help town find mafia to follow his own plan of shooting them tonight. There is no reason not to talk about other scum candidates during the day, even if the decision to lynch VE was unanimous, as it is still time that town can easily use to discuss cases and help formulate targets for a potential vig. Ace has not done this, but instead has continued tunneling on the VE wagon, without feeling the need to do anything else of value, despite posting throughout the day.

Now, I will explain why I find the way Ace is pushing the VE lynch scummy:

Firstly, he does not question The Mirror at all. Ace simply assumes that The Mirror is a third party recruiter and that VE has been recruited without taking any time to reflect on the situation, instead opting to sweep up town into a whirlwind of paranoia and confusion.

Ace is very quick to spam the idea that VE is third party and that he has to be the lynch, as shown in these posts:
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Within 30 minutes, Ace has posted 5 times reinforcing that VE is third-party and has to be lynched. In later posts, he continues to overplay the threat of VE that he has established, saying that he has extra powers, that he's unkillable, and that we'd have an unlynchable anti-town player at one point. These don't provide any additional reasons for why VE is scum, instead they only help scare town into thinking VE will become some unstoppable third party if he's left alive.

Now, I find this disingenuous, because Ace did not take any time to consider any other possibilities, and he took everything said in the QT at face value. He does not question if The Mirror is actually a third party recruiter, he does not question if VE actually receives powers, he does not question anything at all. Instead, he takes the opportunity of the posted logs to derail the town into a witch hunt and single-mindedly beats in the idea that VE is now third party.

Ace is a very good scum player. He has a keen sense of timing and is quick to seize opportunities presented to him in the thread. He played a very lurky style without doing much of anything until he saw his chance and jumped on VE and his QT logs. Since then he has pushed only this idea, which makes it look like he is actually doing something, while he has done nothing at all, and distracts town from hunting mafia.

This is why I believe Ace is scum, and needs to hang.

##Vote: Ace

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Now, I'll talk a little bit about VE and his logs.

Firstly, there's no reason to believe that The Mirror is actually a third party recruiter. All we have to support that idea, is The Mirror's word, which for obvious reasons we cannot trust. In fact, it makes sense to me that The Mirror is a scum mason. VE already outed BH in the thread as masoning him, and had outed The Mirror rather quickly as well. Scum would know this, so by masoning VE, they can nearly assure that he will report back to the thread with what he was told. This puts the idea in the thread that there's a third party recruiter, which would cause mass confusion for town.

If town thinks there's a third party, they're going to start looking for third party players that don't exist. They're going to point out people as being third party, they're going to want to kill people for being third party, and later in the game when no third parties have flipped, town will get nervous and start looking for third party under the assumption that there's quite a lot of them by now and therefore they're a present threat that needs to be dealt with.

It's a very good, slick, move for mafia, because it costs them nothing (the mason is anonymous), but it causes mass confusion and misdirection in the town from the time it is revealed until the end of the game.

As well, I can't really see VE doing what he did if he was actually recruited. Firstly, why out himself or his new ally to the thread, especially at the same time? It doesn't make any sense. It's much better to keep is new faction a secret, so that they can gain strength. Posting it in the thread doesn't benefit him at all. Therefore, it's much more likely that VE was not recruited.

So overall, I think The Mirror is very likely to be a mafia mason trying to spread confusion.

On March 21 2013 14:52 Mocsta wrote:

Let me guess.. my counter to it was shite and not applicable?

lol.. wait. i dont need to guess.. course a tunneled VE is gonna say that.

On March 21 2013 12:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I want Ace to die. As I'm about to show, he is scum, and his head should roll.

Firstly, I will give an overview of Ace's play this game. So far, he has been:

Promising reads on mafia, but not delivering any.
Pushing a lynch on someone based on the assumption that they are third party, to the exclusion of everything else*.
Talking about general role mechanics/fluff otherwise.

When Ace joined the game, he made this post, indicating that he was excited to join the game and start scumhunting:

However, since then, he has yet to share a cogent read on who he thinks is mafia.

The closest we get to a solid mafia read from Ace is him calling Mocsta scum, with a small amount of justification, but in the hours that follow before he posts again, he doesn't make any sort of push for his lynch or pressure him. As well, the only other read Ace provides is to call WoS town, but more solid reasoning doesn't come until directly after WoS has claimed DT and therefore put the brakes on his lynch.

Since then, the only thing Ace has provided are more promises of finding mafia and pushing the lynch onto VE based on an emotional push that plays on town's fears while trying to stopper discussion on other lynch targets.

He makes this post asking town to stop talking about other lynch targets and to lynch VE:

He is then questioned about why we can't scumhunt and lynch VE at the same time, and this is how he responds:

So here he's saying that we should still scumhunt while we lynch VE. However, he has not done that. He has not shared any reads, and he has not provided any information that might help town find mafia to follow his own plan of shooting them tonight. There is no reason not to talk about other scum candidates during the day, even if the decision to lynch VE was unanimous, as it is still time that town can easily use to discuss cases and help formulate targets for a potential vig. Ace has not done this, but instead has continued tunneling on the VE wagon, without feeling the need to do anything else of value, despite posting throughout the day.

Now, I will explain why I find the way Ace is pushing the VE lynch scummy:

Firstly, he does not question The Mirror at all. Ace simply assumes that The Mirror is a third party recruiter and that VE has been recruited without taking any time to reflect on the situation, instead opting to sweep up town into a whirlwind of paranoia and confusion.

Ace is very quick to spam the idea that VE is third party and that he has to be the lynch, as shown in these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
Within 30 minutes, Ace has posted 5 times reinforcing that VE is third-party and has to be lynched. In later posts, he continues to overplay the threat of VE that he has established, saying that he has extra powers, that he's unkillable, and that we'd have an unlynchable anti-town player at one point. These don't provide any additional reasons for why VE is scum, instead they only help scare town into thinking VE will become some unstoppable third party if he's left alive.

Now, I find this disingenuous, because Ace did not take any time to consider any other possibilities, and he took everything said in the QT at face value. He does not question if The Mirror is actually a third party recruiter, he does not question if VE actually receives powers, he does not question anything at all. Instead, he takes the opportunity of the posted logs to derail the town into a witch hunt and single-mindedly beats in the idea that VE is now third party.

Ace is a very good scum player. He has a keen sense of timing and is quick to seize opportunities presented to him in the thread. He played a very lurky style without doing much of anything until he saw his chance and jumped on VE and his QT logs. Since then he has pushed only this idea, which makes it look like he is actually doing something, while he has done nothing at all, and distracts town from hunting mafia.

This is why I believe Ace is scum, and needs to hang.

##Vote: Ace

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Supporting Meta:
+ Show Spoiler +

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Now, I'll talk a little bit about VE and his logs.

Firstly, there's no reason to believe that The Mirror is actually a third party recruiter. All we have to support that idea, is The Mirror's word, which for obvious reasons we cannot trust. In fact, it makes sense to me that The Mirror is a scum mason. VE already outed BH in the thread as masoning him, and had outed The Mirror rather quickly as well. Scum would know this, so by masoning VE, they can nearly assure that he will report back to the thread with what he was told. This puts the idea in the thread that there's a third party recruiter, which would cause mass confusion for town.

If town thinks there's a third party, they're going to start looking for third party players that don't exist. They're going to point out people as being third party, they're going to want to kill people for being third party, and later in the game when no third parties have flipped, town will get nervous and start looking for third party under the assumption that there's quite a lot of them by now and therefore they're a present threat that needs to be dealt with.

It's a very good, slick, move for mafia, because it costs them nothing (the mason is anonymous), but it causes mass confusion and misdirection in the town from the time it is revealed until the end of the game.

As well, I can't really see VE doing what he did if he was actually recruited. Firstly, why out himself or his new ally to the thread, especially at the same time? It doesn't make any sense. It's much better to keep is new faction a secret, so that they can gain strength. Posting it in the thread doesn't benefit him at all. Therefore, it's much more likely that VE was not recruited.

So overall, I think The Mirror is very likely to be a mafia mason trying to spread confusion.

On March 21 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote:

Man.. i have played in a couple town games with you recently (and scum )

my first game with u was normal mini mafia 4.. it hink you were NK'd night 1.

u were a bit crazy that game. but i could tell u was town.

the games u have been town.. i can tell u are town.. u have a wildness about u.. but its founded on curiosity


im not getting any of that this game... but im not getting any of what i see in a scum ve either.. everytime u do something i like.. u follow up with something i dont like... and the whole mirror logs things is such a cluterfuck.

you're the biggest question mark in the game for me.. you really are VE.

im relaly hoping you're town and having a bad game.. either that or u work best when u have someone to bounce ideas off.. (and no1 was present for that this game)

On March 22 2013 04:27 goodkarma wrote:


This is a MASSIVE WIFOM bomb.

If this is your "supercase" then it's just flat-out bad. Like why does town suddenly have to believe you're 3P? And why is it that we'd assume you'd know who the mirror is, when we know NOTHING about the mechanics of this hypothetical third party? And why would anyone probe you for the name of said third party if you somehow joined it, considering that telling us would go against your new wincon?