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As you may or may not know, Mafia is a game of wits. There are two teams here (the mafia team and the town team) and the town must vote to lynch someone each day in hopes of finding mafia (or "scum" as they are so affectionately called). However, the mafia team can communicate outside of the thread, and each night, town will fall to the mafia. It's a race against the clock. In this variation, there are fewer player entities. However, each "player" is a hydra. This means that there are actually two people behind each account! This makes the game far more interesting. And right off the bat we see some great aggression between FiveTouch, DrParnassus, and Moology. Moology is reacting fairly irrationally to the early game pressure. On the sidelines, we see ObliviousEyes making a very long post with seemingly little content at first glance. We will have to see how/if that develops as the play continues. (Soniv) | ||
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On March 13 2013 10:08 TLCastingGolems wrote: Ok everyone! As we come out of the loading screen, we want to familiarize our viewers with how our game works! As you may or may not know, Mafia is a game of wits. There are two teams here (the mafia team and the town team) and the town must vote to lynch someone each day in hopes of finding mafia (or "scum" as they are so affectionately called). However, the mafia team can communicate outside of the thread, and each night, town will fall to the mafia. It's a race against the clock. In this variation, there are fewer player entities. However, each "player" is a hydra. This means that there are actually two people behind each account! This makes the game far more interesting. And right off the bat we see some great aggression between FiveTouch, DrParnassus, and Moology. Moology is reacting fairly irrationally to the early game pressure. On the sidelines, we see ObliviousEyes making a very long post with seemingly little content at first glance. We will have to see how/if that develops as the play continues. (Soniv) Yup I'm really interested to see what develops now between Moology and DrParnassus. They seem to be testing the waters with each other here; civil one moment and then accusatory the next! I just don't know what to make of these two! | ||
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Someone should make a note to Mocsta that having two separate browsers open (chrome and firefox) allows you to avoid logging in and out! He's getting quite frustrated at such an early stage, Wave! | ||
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That's right, Soniv. And it is difficult to make reads when more than half of the players are still sitting at the nexus! I'm not sure I want to make a definitive decision based on an early game pissing contest between two players. Aaaand DrParnassus appears to be drunk. It's never a good thing to mix drinking and Mafia, Soniv. Hey, now. There aren't any cycle changes for me to confuse just yet! | ||
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Well, it's certainly a viable plan, however, consider this: What if the scum team is ballsy enough to claim a named VT? It would be a gamble, but seeing as there are only 2 blue roles, it's something we would have to look out for. Also, I'm noticing that DrParnassus has switched his vote many many times already this game. Thoughts on his motivations, Soniv? I'm not sure yet. But if he's trying to puff up and look like a threat to people, I would say it's not working. Switching votes so often and quickly is worthless in my eyes - it creates a "boy who cried wolf" effect. In the future, if he ever REALLY wants to make a case, I'm not sure if people will take him seriously. | ||
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Yeah Wave it sounds like easy vote-garnering with no real substance no me. I think if people really want to hunt scum they definitely have to look into motivations, specifically those of DrParnassus and Moology. What is the point of essentially arguing over votes that clearly mean nothing in the first few hours? Oh, and look at that Wave, more D1 early-game vote switching, from FiveTouch this time. Real threatening. | ||
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Role-players are some of my favourite people, Wave, I don't know what everybody's problem is. But if people want something substantial, so be it. I personally think that Moology (Mocsta)'s play appears pretty scummy and similar to scum play from him that I've seen from him before. Very reactionary and angry, and arguing over nonsense just to keep up the filter, while offering no real contribution to the scum-hunt. I think if DrParnassus accomplished anything with his early vote business, it may have been a decent job of baiting out this scum play from Moology. Sounds about right to me, Soniv. I've played a couple games with Mocsta now and this certainly does seem a very familiar zone of his. Interested in where his other half fits into all this though. Either way I think I'm comfortable giving my first prediction of the game! Ok, let's hear it, Wave! I predict Moology to be scum! ##Vote: Moology And with that, the two of us are going to take a little break, but we'll be back soon. <COMMERCIAL BREAK> | ||
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He's correct that I thought he was scum last game, and I was mistake. However, he does forget that this hydra has two heads, and that you, Soniv, knew he was town last game! He should be aware that no matter how much he loads into his filter, he WILL be watched. And now, ladies and gentlemen, we would like to move onto our INSTANT REPLAY. This replay is sponsored by FiveTouch - He has a beautiful penis. Soniv, he votes for us because he hates our "summarizing" (despite the fact that we have included opinions thus far): On March 13 2013 22:06 FiveTouch wrote: Some really annoying arguments that don't look very important. Usually townies argue like this. iamp's question at the start of the game was bad. TLCastingGolem's summarising is far worse. ##Vote: TLCastingGolems which he then follows up with trying to get everyone else to bandwagon us: On March 13 2013 22:23 FiveTouch wrote: Can we start getting the votes on CastingGolem please. I want to see if he's willing to continue playing against his win-con when the lynch is hanging over him. If he is, then we should carry through and kill him. Let's go. He switches to Dirk Hardpec without explanation: On March 13 2013 22:24 FiveTouch wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: DirkHardpec and continues to push us: On March 13 2013 22:24 FiveTouch wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: DirkHardpec Not until after this does he start accusing Dirk, AND THEN DEFENDS US WANTING TO KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE VOTING US: On March 13 2013 22:56 FiveTouch wrote: why are ppl voting CastingGolems when he's at least willing to do something? Dirk doesn't want to play the game, let's show him the door. Plus the contradiction I already mentioned. What should we make of this? Well, Wave, I would certainly like an explanation. It seems that FiveTouch is operating on a "vote first, ask questions later" policy, which doesn't hold much water in my book. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Well Soniv it's coming down to the halfway point of Day 1 and what have we got to show for it? Honestly it doesn't seem much, Wave. The town has seemingly decided between voting for who annoys them the most; either us for 'casting style' and perceived inactivity and lack of giving them the precise analyses they want, or Dirk Hardpec for doing...well...nothing! I don't know about you, Wave, but this doesn't seem like a town who is keen to scumhunt to me, rather they're quick to jump on easy sheep targets for simple reasons. Let 'em think what they want, Soniv. They'll come around eventually, I have faith in them. A few recent developments for those still catching up, DrParnassus is an angry guy, Promato's disappearance looking fishy, and ObliviousEyes coming to our defense somewhat. Oh, but those aren't READS, Wave. We might make someone angry! Too true. In that case, having a look at NewbieXXXI_Obs Cutie, despite the fact that he has aggressively been pushing for our lynch, actually looks pretty good right now. Gives analysis on major occurrences including the earlier Day 1 'fight' between Parnassus and Moology, and calls out his current scummy looking targets. Parnassus, on the other hand, accuses us of shit-flinging yet directly after this he flings his own at other members of the thread, including a post meaning to 'direct our attention' to WittyHydraName. No support, no real purpose. Fivetouch makes some comment which Parnassus immediately +1s. If I didn't know better I would think the earlier shit-flinging fight Parnassus had with Moology was specifically staged to make the both of them look town, which most people seem to suspect of them. Since our vote is still on Moology right now, I think it's time to hear from the experts' desk; we're going to pass it off to Moology. Moology, any thoughts regarding your performance last night, or the current voting trends? Hey Wave, looks like you fail at posting. Well fuck me, Soniv, I guess I do. Quoting for filter. | ||
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That's ok, Soniv, they can't have missed us too much! Now we would like to address Newbie, as he asked us to reaffirm our position on FiveTouch. At the time, we wanted to pressure Five to maybe get a bit out of him. As the game has progressed, we are feeling that he is more townie than not. Hopefully that answers your question Newbie. Thanks for that, Wave. As it is painfully apparent, WittyHydraName is set to be lynched. How do you feel about that? Well, it seems rather damning. It is very similar to the game we just got out of (Mafia LX) when, day 1, Promethelax disappeared very similarly when he was pegged for scum. So I am happy to see Witty die. But I ask you this, Soniv: If he doesn't vote, he'll be modkilled (afaik). Should that happen, the town doesn't need to vote for his death. If he shows up suddenly to vote, that's an easy lynch. How do you think town should handle it? I think that if Witty never shows up (which is looking more and more unlikely as the time goes on), we should switch to Dirk Hardpec. I agree with ObliviousEyes' post here **INSTANTREPLAY**+ Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 02:12 ObliviousEyes wrote: Okay so I woke up, saw Dirk spamming some more, and decided that yeah, I think I wanna kill it. He's actively trying to keep us from scumhunting. ACTIVELY. There's purpose in the way he's posting, and it's not a town purpose. The way I see it is: do we lynch a lurker with literally nothing relevant in his filter? Or do we lynch someone who is actively not trying to find scum? Again he makes it seem as though he thinks marv is scum, and again has failed to provide any kind of reasoning beyond "he's a big ol' meanie". If his spam "marv is scum" post can be believed, he seems to think marv is scum. So why not try and get marv lynched? Both Bugs AND Palmar (AND syllo if he's all up in there too) know that "marv is scum" isn't going to sway anyone. Kill Dirk. He gots to be scum yo. And what about our vote for Moology, Soniv? It should be retracted at this point. I haven't since seen much that leads him to be more damning in my eyes, and so I'm content with him living for now. ##unvote ##vote WittyHydraName I think our vote should go onto Witty for now, Wave. As unlikely at this point as it may be, I would hate to see any scum funny business in the final hours. However, again, if he never shows and will die anyway, I believe the votes should switch to Dirk. | ||
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I'm not sure what to tell him. Call it coincidence or just plain unlucky, but we both had a bunch of crap going on, and neither of us could get to a computer. If he wants to look back at Mafia LX, he can see that your schedule, Soniv, can be quite restrictive at times. Mine generally isn't too bad, but that doesn't take the business factor of my life out of it. He also says we shouldn't "game absences". I don't really know where he's going with that. I assume that he means we shouldn't try to take advantage of a Witty modkill. I don't quite understand why though, so maybe he can explain it for us a bit better. As for Moology, I would say he's somewhat null leaning red right now. Can you explain for our viewers why, Wave? I would love to! Through reading, there was one post that jumped out at us. **INSTANT REPLAY + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 08:35 Moology wrote: Guys Moc is back. I pretty pissed Omni hasnt shown his face at all. Considering Drik Hardpec might be 1 man up with Syllo; I am happy to take a replacement out of Palmar, Bugs, Syllo  ============== I really don't like this post from TLCastingGolems (but will oblige) Current voting trends looks like everyone is feeling each other out. Hardpec definitely comes across as trolling And Prome is giving us early promises of low activity (I am in the same boat as him.. but still making an effort) Snarfs/Adams have flown under the radar for me; if they dont contribute by closer to lynch will prob vote them. - Especially because they dont have multiple ongoing games to hide behind. Otherwise for today I am stuck between the trolling of hardpec and aggressiveness of Marv. Marv normally tries to exert himself as town leader, and is actively trying to walk through with people his thought process. This marv is setting up a dictatorship of no tolerance.. and its a marv i havnt seen before. (Kei done fuck all from what I read) ##Unvote I want to discuss the situation with my other head before issuing a vote with intent to lynch. If Omni is not present in the next 8-10hrs, I will make the decision for him. ==================== The reason I dont like the post above, is because ONCE AGAIN, the castingteam summarise the situation and when it comes to the meat and veg, they pass it off to someone else. Yes, teh flavour is cute, but the strategy is preventing them from being accountable I am actually surprised Promato was supportive of this (justifying them as newbies not expected to contribute).. thats bullshit.You sign up with the big boys, your contributions are just as expected. I dont want to be stuck at LYLO with another "Grush57". (moc) Well, looking through again, he called out a few players who dislike the limelight as a scum player. He called me out, but I'm not really sure why. I haven't played scum in probably over a year, and even at that, I've only been scum maybe two or three times. So I'm not really sure where he was going at that (again, maybe just sowing seeds to discredit), and I'd like some clarity on that. | ||
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Indeed that's the case, and I say "tough cookies!" Newbie has still yet to explain why it would be a poor idea to take advantage of someone most everyone sees being scummy being modkilled, or "gaming the absence" as he says. | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:14 DrParnassus wrote: how many games have you played where a player gets modkilled on D1 for not voting.... it rarely happens. we have no possible way of knowing what the mods will do so if we think he's scum then we should lynch him.... it seems like you're being intentionally thick about this point Let's see if the referees can shed some light on this. If someone doesn't vote, will they be modkilled? | ||
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We're more comfortable with Witty dying if he's the only choice. However, if he is indeed definitely getting modkilled, we would be inclined to switch to be with ObliviousEyes. DrParn seems a bit frustrated, Soniv. Indeed he does, but this isn't elo hell, there is no rage quitting allowed. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:15 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Not unexpected but probably for the best as he did not seem to be interested at all in playing the game. Let's check up on things tomorrow and see what has happened. /chaos13 You have no room to talk. One of my few experiences with Palmar was a loooooong time ago in Team Fortress 2 Mafia. I ended up on scum team with Palmar. He didn't feel like playing scum, got caught D1 and rolled over with no effort. He's always been very trolly, but it is apparent when he is town. This is not his town play. Can only base it on meta because they have done absolute jack shit. -S4 | ||
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On March 15 2013 18:51 Moology wrote: Now (Essentially a last will) My concerns are currently with the following teams (1) Golems - They seem to have listened to feedback. I want to see a bit more from them before deciding which side of null they are going. But it is a positive from less experienced players to take criticisms on board. (2) Newbie - They are Jeckyl/Hyde so far. I think they need to be scrutinsed Day2, to get some consistency between the two haeds. Right now the lack of consistency makes them essentially unreadable (i.e. a very confused read) sitting at very slightly leaning town. (3) Promato - Im just scared of lurkers in general after the loss in Mafia LX. These guys have given reasons for the low activity so I expect HIGH QUALITY with small doses. Not getting that so far; they are my sleeper pick for scum. Yams recent list post was... *meh* bunch of wishy-washy reads. Which is fine and all - considering the lack of activity; but why bother to post it? Like i said, if you want to post less fine; but the quality needs to be there. (4) Hardpec - I am in agreement with Omni here. And I dont care Oats that you disagree. If hes not a strong town read, dont step in. And certainly @ night, do not expect a case. Hardpec + Promato are my current picks to follow through with on Day2 (4 1/2) VE - I am throwing him in purely because hes not as active as I have come to expect from recent town VE + Normally he uimms/ahhs a fuck ton before lynch - and we not getting that this game. ============== This is probably going to be my last post for the cycle. Going out tonight, and deadline is 7am on a Saturday => i will miss it. (moc)  Cool list post Mocsta. And for the record, I'm offended FOR Soniv, since he's been playing and has played LONG before you were around IIRC. Blame the 'taking criticism,' and 'less experienced' on me imo, but don't for a second assume that my better half doesn't know exactly what's going on. Also I never quite understood your tendency to post last wills, especially since they always seem to occur on nights where you're not likely to be targeted. -Wave | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:14 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: i think if your skeptical that i am mafia you are town. Which means we kill the dirk one since he dont want to catch scum. DrParnassus this kid clearly a misguided townie extremely aggressive but poor critical thinking skills. You think we should kill dirk, but didn't want to take advantage of a mod kill on someone everyone though was scum to do it. Then you don't want to kill dirk anymore. You get called out for flip flopping. You're back to wanting to kill dirk. Forgive me if I seem confused, because you're certainly not making sense. -S4 | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote: Playing for modkill is a really bad way to play the game. Which is why we asked the mods if he would be modkilled. Modkills are always unfortunate, but I don't get why town would be content with letting their KP be diminished by having their target die to something out of their control and waste the days lynch. But I'm clearly not seeing something that everyone else is. -S4 | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:31 DrParnassus wrote: Yeah you play the game, assuming that the hosts dont do shit beside resolving night actions and posting day/night posts. Everything else shouldnt even be speculated about. Like modkills. I don't concur as that seems rather myopic, but there's no sense in continuing to argue it. I'll agree to disagree. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:47 FiveTouch wrote: This. Exactly. I didn't sign up for the game to be a separate player. I wanted to hydra with marv to talk with him during a game about what he's thinking, what I'm thinking, and discuss with him and consolidate reads. This conversation wouldn't even be happening if hydras were anonymous and people weren't signing their posts. It's a dumb argument. While I tend to agree with this line of thinking, there's probably something to be said for analyzing each player individually (assuming people aren't be sneaky when they don't sign their posts and such) but I wouldn't base primary reads on it and probably won't be doing this myself. The reasoning Soniv and I decided to cut the flavour was indeed because all of our posting before today has been a collaborative effort for the most part; we've been on Skype chat/calls discussing and enjoying the hell out of it, but due to our schedules this just isn't possible for an extended period of time. So we're going to talk and discuss our reads and make sure we're on the same page as a hydra, but we'll be posting separately just like everyone else. It's up to other people whether or not they want to judge our posts as separate thoughts or not. Personally I think if you're posting your reads and opinions which happen to be different from your other hydra head, you're doing it wrong. | ||
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I won't be around for NK, Soniv might be. -Wave | ||
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I certainly hope so, cuz I'm beginning to agree with promato. -S4 | ||
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So Dirk gets NKed huh? I can't honestly fathom why the fuck mafia would do that when he was essentially a free mislynch apparently. Hopefully it just means they're going to end up out-thinking themselves in the end with fancy shit rather than us. Anywho, not sheeping onto the OE train yet, until I can get some reads going. Off the top of my head though: I remember I wanted to mention something about Parnassus' last post before the flip, something about OH GOD PLEASE NO DONT LYNCH GOLEMS which seemed really fucking odd, and now he goes and votes himself for no apparent reason. Will be looking into this. VE's screamfest reminds me of his play in LX (since that's the only game in which I've played with him), but I've also heard that him getting all emotional is typical of his play no matter what alignment? Probably null but I'm still definitely going to comb through before coming to any decisions. Top scumread for now remains Newbie since he barely responded to my case on him, and despite the fact that he seems to think it all falls apart with Dirk flipping town, it doesn't quite, especially since the only reason scum has to NK Dirk in the first place is to fuck with us and our previous conceptions. -Wave | ||
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I agree with my other half's sentiment that I don't get why they would kill Dirk when he was more than likely being killed today. However, I also recognize that much of my suspicion on Newbie was because I thought Dirk was scum (hence why I wanted to kill dirk first). This is under mental advisement. I also made the post before night flip + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 07:12 TLCastingGolems wrote: I certainly hope so, cuz I'm beginning to agree with promato. -S4 It's too late for me to make a good post right now, and I still need to catch up from being away for the evening, so I'll be around early-mid day tomorrow. | ||
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On March 16 2013 15:01 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Also wait. What the hell does this mean? How does that excuse Wave at all? He presumably was suspicious of me (since apparently you're collaborating) for associative reasons, and uf he was reading the thread, he would have known that Dirk was NK'd. Who cares if he didn't speak with you - that just shows he hasn't been reading the thread and is flinging suspicion around arbitrarily. don't know what to tell you other than he's an idiot This is a complete non-answer. What is your read on me? What is this "under mental advisement" junk? null read right now because I know my suspicions were heavily based on dirk flipping red. I will return in the morning, hopefully with a fresh mind. answers in red -S4 | ||
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On March 16 2013 15:06 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Alright. Well tell WoS to make himself available, because his ass is mine tomorrow. Why make it tomorrow? You're welcome to vote us for now but it's not going to get you anywhere. Essentially you (and Soniv) nailed me on the fact that I didn't really read while posting old suspicions. The lack of communication Soniv and I have had as well as the general lack of our hydra's posting has been getting to me, and essentially I did what I myself said was a bad idea and just posted for the hell of it without sharing reads/communication. As I said you're welcome to vote me, look more into this, point out to me all the reasons why it looks scummy as fuck, but they've already been explained to me and you're not going to get any new information from it because this is all there is. My meta is much more post- and contribution-centred than this game has been (which is not to my liking), I'm not used to it, I had difficulty keeping up with the thread and I snapped. For now I will fix my(/our) play and contribute in fewer, more meaningful amounts, because it is all we can muster right now. You'll have a proper read tomorrow, one that we have both discussed. -Wave | ||
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The whole point of this being a Hydra mafia game is that it's a two person TEAM against other two person TEAMS. I believe I pointed that out before. You're welcome to try and get your reads based on my posts v. Soniv's or marv's vs Keirathi's. But you'll have to take them with a grain of salt every time because there is always going to be collaboration. That's the name of the game. PS. It was more than a 'derp' moment and I'm not proud of it. I'm willing to accept that it looked scummy as all fuck and have you vote for us and move on and the help the rest of town that may not be completely fixated on us. Or you mislynch us anyway and maybe you can actually get something useful from it. There is no constructed bullshit; I'm saying what I feel and that's all there is to it. | ||
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QUICK! I don't have a fucking clue. Soniv and I discussed OE a little but there's going to have to be more discussion (and way the fuck more re-reading of the thread on my part) before we come to any real conclusions. I'm honestly lost in this game trying to go on everything I know so far about TL mafia because this is completely different from any other game I've played, and you all are posting and reading based on you all knowing each other, which I do not. | ||
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I can't say for certain you'll get what you want tomorrow, but you'll get something at least. | ||
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On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler + the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 | ||
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On March 16 2013 22:56 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Ve what you think of this caster stuff? And I too want to know the answer to this question -S4 | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? | ||
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Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:42 FiveTouch wrote: Err, what? Please, show me these people that agreed with you. The only one I can remember is ObliviousEyes. Everyone else gave at least a minor town read to ObsQT, iirc. Hmm...you're right. I knew VE had same view as me. (but this was before a lot of the flak on VE was falling - so it had still stuck in my mind) DrParn did: On March 16 2013 05:58 DrParnassus wrote: OK. I g2g, won't be back before deadline. Here is my list of least lynch worthy to most lynchworthy Moology, TlCasters, FT, OO, Promato, Newbie Obs, Dirk and that's my final answer I thought Moology did too, but I misread the post I was thinking of. I thought I had more people in line with my thinking, but I was mistaken. | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote: golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn FiveTouch Moology Newbie Promato OE Parn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things. Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player. I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in. -S4 | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote: Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question. | ||
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On March 17 2013 02:36 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Looks to derpy to be from scum to me. I'll have to see what hapa thinks. ಠ_ಠ You haven't seemed shy at all up until this point. Why do you suddenly need to collaborate with hapa? On March 17 2013 02:37 DrParnassus wrote: can you apply a little bit more red to your reads? there are 2 scum in the game, your reads should account for that. many people here have developed 2 strong scum reads just by eliminating their strong town reads. you should have at least 2, maybe even 3 people who you think have a good chance of being scum I leave people null if I think they have a chance of being scum. I don't know who the 2nd scum is, so I'm not just going to pick a name out of a hat to give to you right now. -S4 | ||
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On March 17 2013 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai guys. Think I've got about an hour or so, so I'll see what I can throw together. -Wave derp | ||
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He hasn't posted anything of any note whatsoever since the NK, only mentioning himself that he knows he will not be targeted. On March 16 2013 07:45 Promato wrote: its okay VE, your OMGUS is cute. I still <3 you. I have the information and reads I need. And because there is zero chance I'm the nightkill (seriously fucking none, look at me i haven't even posted enough to give blue vibes or anything) I don't have to explain anything until day. Waiting on that explanation, Prom. His next three posts offer absolutely nothing of note: On March 16 2013 08:03 Promato wrote: well for the moment i say ##Vote: obliviouseyes some follow up needed while I reread Dirk though. Interesting kill choice really. A vote with no follow-up and promise of a re-read. He says 'interesting choice,' and doesn't seem fazed by it one way or the other. Isn't that odd that nobody gives him shit about this yet when we post that we thought the Dirk NK was absolutely fucking retarded we have DrParnassus comment on how we 'don't seem to care about the NK?' + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 14:10 DrParnassus wrote: golems, that post somehow managed to get everything BACKWARDS. like, there isn't one read in there that makes sense and no, you don't seem surprised about that night kill you mentioned something about me self voting and said you'll look into it. lol. please do. The we have this: On March 16 2013 14:47 Promato wrote: Could it really be as easy as OE/Golems? Lol, everyone else does look fairly town. Great fucking reads. Really. Just jump on everyone else's suspicions while offering nothing of your own whatsoever, looks great. Besides, when the fuck is it ever that easy? You're really willing to sit back as a town player and let everyone do the work for you? How is that town-motivated? Final post before he disappears off the face of the earth: On March 16 2013 14:59 Promato wrote: It would be a horrendously stupid thing for scum Golems to come in with an opinion contrary to the thread sentiment regarding VE at this time, but I've seen scum be worse with this kind of thing. So....WIFOM? Newbie rips into us like crazy and justly tears me apart for my shit, and that's the best you can do? Come on. Town motivation seen here from Prom: 0. Oh and marv/FT? The difference in my response to Newbie and my response to you is that we were going back and forth, he asks me a question, I respond in a timely fashion, and then he didn't respond until I had to ask. DrParn even said to take time to formulate reads, so that's what we're doing. Now that you're back, Newbie I'll respond to your recent questions/analysis. | ||
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Regarding the blue claim, I thought Soniv did that on purpose because I figured it was a good way out of you guys mislynching us later in the day but no, he actually fucked that up and meant to write town. As to your questions to be specifically: 1) Null. We don't really feel you as a townie. The pressure seems legit but you don't 'feel' right in our eyes, so we don't have a problem in pressuring aspects of you we find odd. Now the thing about the case on you is, while it contained largely associative points, it is still technically very easy for scum to throw suspicion onto us/other Dirk voters really easily by doing what they did. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they killed him themselves rather than letting us mislynch. Doesn't make you scum, but doesn't make you town either. 2) What was I thinking? Not a hell of a lot. Posting without fully reading, and getting frustrated by our own lack of contribution combined with being generally very lost. You say this: It basically shows that you were suspicious of me without knowing the reasons for it, and that's not normal for a townie. ...you're telling me gut reads aren't normal? | ||
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1) Null. We don't really feel you as a townie. The pressure seems legit but you don't 'feel' right in our eyes, so we don't have a problem in pressuring aspects of you we find odd. We're in agreement here completely. The pressure seems normal but there's something about you we just don't like. Sorry, bro. As for my thinking, what exactly do you want? I could try to fabricate some bullshit reason as to what I was doing but honestly I just wanted to get something out there to try and contribute in a hurry and it backfired big time. | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:26 Promato wrote: lol, this is bullshit. I was the first one to nail VE as mafia. I have subsequently waited to see what people do in repsonse to this. Only you have done anything that isn't call him mafia, which is either the dumbest move in the thread, or a sign that you're just bad town. The thing I have to consider is; would mafia bus VE here or not? My instinct says yes, but you coming in here and accusing me over sitting back and watching today is bullshit. I caught one mafia, and I'm in the process of catching another. We didn't call him mafia? Lol. On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote: You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn FiveTouch Moology Newbie Promato OE Parn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things. Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player. I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in. -S4 Now assuming your process of catching another mafia is referring to us, that's laughable. 'Process' actually implies you doing something today. FT: ok I couldn't find the post you were referring to earlier, thanks for linking it. Looking into it now. | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:36 Promato wrote: I'm reading you make a mess of this game, that is what I'm doing. Like I said, you're either mafia or bad town. The question is which. Guess. | ||
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Your conversation with Prom--- its a meta read which I know nothing about. I refuse to base my own reads based on meta of players I dont even know, and one measly meta read does not a towny player make imo. It's entirely possible for scum or town to come to the same conclusions you did. | ||
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##vote ObliviousEyes When Wave was posting earlier, you guys afterwards attacked him for developing a read on Promato after I had originally placed Prom on a list saying he's completely null to me. It was ALSO after FiveTouch asked him to give an opinion on Promato. I don't understand how this development is scummy. You guys ask him to develop a read and then attack him for making a read. No, that's not how it works. The stance he developed is not one that I disagree with. To the people saying that you don't think I should be flipped before OE - you are the ones using your brains. If you kill me, you'll find yourselves in a really shitty position. @FiveTouch What is your opinion of Moology? @DrParn You can go look at any of the games I've played - when people want to mislynch me, I always say something like that. It was not an intimidation post. It was a fact-of-the-matter "i'm not scum" post. And my blue claim isn't real because I didn't use an emoticon or anything? Lol fuck you, you're not that stupid. I was not intending to claim blue as early as I did. You clearly don't believe that, but you're gonna have to get the fuck over it. | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:03 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Meeester S4, why isn't your vote on Promato? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=39#767 Same reason there are a few people without votes on me. I'm more confident in finding scum in OE. The post with the case on Prom was Wave's. I don't necessarily disagree with his read, but it's not 100%. OE is most likely scum, Promato could very well be scum. @DrParn You're wrong, get over it. -S4 | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:06 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Also I ended up looking through your meta S4, and this game reminds me a ton of Mafia LXV (you were godfather). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=57156¤tpage=All Very similar to this game, you were a lurker who only really posted when attacked by others. I find it difficult to believe that "it reminds you" of a game you were no part of. Congrats, you found one of my 2 or 3 scum games ever. Moreover, that was about a year and a half ago. There is no meta there because I have no scum meta. Over the span of 3 years of playing with long breaks sporadically placed, I have played something other than VT so few times. That game was interesting because Palmar rolled over D1 screwing us over. I also didn't have a second head to deal with (haven't ever hydrad before). | ||
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The null read and "soft-defense", as you say, that Wave gave on OE was the post that put us in this mess. He was apparently overwhelmed and resorted to the reads we had before the day flip. It's been said before, so I don't know why you keep asking. I have no clue why OE is actively avoiding talking and hasn't mentioned us. PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S WORKING FOR HIM. I'm done fucking repeating myself for you guys. I'm not going to repeat everything that has been said about OE in the thread. I agree that he is scum. -S4 | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:24 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Oh that was Wave? Sign yer dang posts =/ I've been telling him to, but he's an idiot. Sorry to disappoint you. -S4 | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:28 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Though if Wave wrote that case and you're not standing by it, then that means you haven't posted a single case all game. I'm sorry? It's not that I'm not standing by his case. I believe we are more likely to find scum in OE, but that doesn't mean I disagree with his case. | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:39 FiveTouch wrote: The point is, ObsQT just posted about how you played in LX, making cases on multiple Toms, Dicks, and Harrys. In this game, you haven't given a solid reason to be suspicious of ANYONE. What gives? *shrug* it's different playing as a hydra. My contribution level probably looks less than it feels because of how much me and him were collaborating early on. You never answered me before, it might have been lost in my post. What do you think of Moology? | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:49 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Why are you asking one of your strongest town reads his opinion on Moology? I should be asking you the same, since I literally have no idea where you stand on most players barring "gut-feeling." Yes, he is one of my strongest town reads. That means I can't ask him questions? What the fuck? On March 17 2013 11:46 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: It has to do with your play in general. In your town games, you aren't afraid to post analysis, build cases... etc. This game is markedly different from any of your town games I've read. Why the discrepancy? Furthermore your game is very conceptually similar (lack of analysis, posting, etc) to a scum-game you've played in the past. Your behavior in past games strongly suggests you're scum. You are putting way too much stock in outdated "meta" based on my first ever game as scum 1.5 years ago. You put too much stock in meta in general. Everyone does. | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:50 FiveTouch wrote: I didn't answer you because it was a dumb question. I've made it abundantly clear what my stance on Moology is. Why are you not reading the thread? What is *YOUR* stance on Moology, since you haven't given an opinion on him? If it was abundantly clear, I wouldn't be asking. I looked through, but can't find it. Please reiterate. (apparently, it's ok for you guys to force me to repeat myself, but it's not ok for me to ask a question) | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:56 FiveTouch wrote: I find it hard to believe you actually looked. It's right in our end-of-night reads post. Oh, I was looking for a more up to date read. I assume this is still the case then? I agree with your read, but not necessarily the reason. Moctsa did in fact take the early argument for quite a few pages, so I don't think him dropping it is what makes him town. It's this post: On March 17 2013 07:57 Moology wrote: Yes, Although I do believe Golems is our 2nd scum, I see no reason to lynch him over OE today. After OE flips scum all of this will stop being speculation, Prom will imo without a doubt be town and Golems will be guilty. I admit I've had some bad calls by switching to my 2nd scum read for votes lately and that is also weighing on my mind. I'd much rather lynch my top scum read than lynch Golems with even the slightest chance that he's actually our JK and he's just played everything terribly up till now. I guess his blue claim as much as it seems awful does still give me 2nd thoughts. I don't think any townie should be fine to just lynch a blue claim with no counter even with all this evidence against him. I asked you, FT, because it's similar logic to what you used for Promato. However, the difference is that you are basing your read on Promato retracting his read on Newbie (someone you can't be 100% sure of alignment of unless he flips) I know my alignment, and because of that, Moology reads town from this post. He thinks I'm scum, k, whatever, so does the rest of the world. The fact that he has the opportunity to gain more ground on someone who has claimed blue (and who he would know is town if he were scum) but doesn't take the opportunity to force the mislynch shows me he's thinking as town and not scum. This is different from your logic on Prom because I know my alignment. The logic is largely similar, but it works out differently in my mind - if that makes sense to you. -S4 | ||
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Apparently nobody else cares that OE still hasn't shown up and has just let this shit storm develop. I'm personally done until he shows up. -S4 | ||
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What a shit-show this has become. You guys as a town are just completely tunneling us without ever considering absolutely anything else, and so you guys are going to fuck the whole town over as a result. You've completely lost sight of the rest of the game because you think you have it solved but YOU'RE WRONG. Your confirmation bias is blinding you to any other possibilities. Nothing we will ever give you is going to be good enough as Soniv seems to have displayed thus far, and we're in danger of losing sight of the one seemingly sure scumread we as a town have despite the fact HE HASN'T EVEN BEEN AROUND ALL FUCKING DAY. At this point I think Soniv has the right idea; I would love to entertain you guys further if anything I said or did got you onto the right track, but it WON'T. Therefore, keeping silent makes more sense because maybe you guys will be forced to turn attention elsewhere and save a mislynch. We are completely on board for lynching OE today. If we survive the night (which will only happen if you guys are fucking stupid and let mafia think you're killing us tomorrow) then maybe we can somehow continue the discourse. | ||
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Why should you believe our claim? a) Fuck you and your meta reads. This is a hydra game. If I was playing by myself you could be damn sure this filter would be a lot bigger and a lot shittier. Not to mention a lot less fearful of sounding like a complete utter moron because I stake Soniv's reputation on our combined play. (Which I already fucked up on since I got impatient). As you can see I'm a lot less fearful now already because it's so frustrating watch you and the rest of thread tunnel us so goddamn hard based on absolutely everything we say or do, positive or negative. b) It's true. Scum risking a blue claim in the middle of the day? Come on. Is there any way we COULD prove a blue claim to you? If there is, by all means, I'd love to hear it. | ||
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On March 17 2013 13:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Already did, on Prom and then had to go out for the evening. You didn't like it, and now choose to ignore it. This will be different from any other case I pull out of my ass how? FT, I'd love to survive as long as possible but the forcing of our blueclaim in the first place and the incessant tunneling makes that unlikely to happen. (And for the record, despite Soniv's accidental blueclaim, we were eventually going to have to do it anyway). Alright Newbie, give me some time as I'm going to have to read the entire thread over to avoid shitposting. I am only doing this because I feel it might finally get the thread moving in a direction other than directly towards us 24 hours a fucking day, and I don't want this town to lose. I'll try to hunt some fucking scum my way, fuck the hydra, because I doubt I could make us look worse at this point. Last time I ever attempt to play a hydra game the way I thought it should be played. Jesus fucking christ. Oh for SHIT ASS FUCK SAKES QUOTED FOR GODDAMN FILTER | ||
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The biggest problem I see here with trying to get a solid read on Prom is it requires me to know metas once again. Yamato calling VE out for meta in Nomination mafia is going to be impossible for me to determine one way or another (I've tried to research backwards through past mafia games I wasn't involved in before. It's too much for me, or I need some fucking lessons or something.) and that's basically ALL his entire case is based on. If he's wrong then how could I prove this? Obvious simple logic states that in a 2-mafia setup you're not going to see a double-bus but re-reading through both of their filters, and knowing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about meta like I do, Prom honestly seems scummier than OE to me. I trust Soniv (and I'm TRYING to trust the rest of town, but fuck all of you) with his read on OE but looking back, I'm not sure I agree anymore. OE's defenses are much more put-together and Prom is generally content to fling shit and sit back and watch, without pushing further with more information since his initial case took hold. My vote will remain on OE because as a HYDRA TEAM that is what we agreed upon but as Soniv has gone to bed, we can't discuss it until tomorrow. If this post somehow fucks us even worse and he gets mad at me again, well fuck him because you assholes forced my hand. If this is a double-bus going down (note that both Prom and OE have had similar reads on other people throughout the game until turning on each other) I will forever consider myself the best alive. There are a lot of things about it that make sense, again albeit unlikely. If I'm wrong (likely to be so) then I'll continue to be the idiot you guys know and hate. Explanation of gut-read on Newbie inc. | ||
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You are null to me, leaning town because there are a lot of things in your filter that honestly seem like too much effort to go through if you were scum. You're constantly pressuring in places that require pressure at many right points in time, yet you also devote much of your time to discussing lurkers like us, WittyHydraName and Dirk, all of which are town. There is too much dichotomy to give me a clear town read. Now, is it POSSIBLE to entertain the discussion elsewhere so that I may feel like I can contribute positively rather than continue to defend myself to no end? Fuck, lynch us after OE if you must but at least try to consider other points of you so that you might fucking LEARN something when we die. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:25 FiveTouch wrote: So why do you have a town read on me if I've done everything you just said keeps you from giving a town read to ObsQT? What is different about us? FiveTouch, you're completely different from how Newbie has been playing this game. You're not afraid to direct suspicion anywhere and everywhere and you are much more open to suggestion. You're also often the first person to call a lot of people out on their bullshit, including us, yet are not so quick to tunnel a read. You, in my opinion, added more to the case against OE than Prom did after he built it. I'm not a fan of your unilateral support of Prom right now, but it makes sense to me in a way. If through some miracle OE flips town I think you and Prom are right fucked, but I don't see that happening. Yamato, thoughts on the recent suspicion that has been directed towards you? DrParnassus makes a good point in that you didn't follow up against me/us, and apparently you feel you had the game solved already. | ||
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I unfortunately won't be available most of the day. I've got my final home gymnastics meet, and then Wave and I are scheduled to cast at 5 eastern time. Not sure if I'll be available at lynch time. However, I'm completely on board with Wave's case on Prom. I still think that OE should die first for obvious reasons, but Prom should be next. It's interesting that as soon as he's called out and a case is made on him, Promato shows up. The entire first half of this day was devoted to shit being thrown at Wave and I. And yet Prom has us null leaning town? Why did he wait until he was in the spotlight to say anything? He's clearly been here and following because he posted right away. I smell some bullshit. -S4 | ||
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How exactly is the game solved if we 'game' the NK by doing what Newbie suggested? Isn't it theoretically possible for Parn/Newbie/FT to be scum? (I don't think you are necessarily, but still) Is it weird that I don't think it's wise to assume as such? I mean, I'll still be JKing either Prom or Moology, but I'm not sure how that technically proves anything; you guys are just assuming confirmed townies when I don't quite see it... Anyway just let us know before time limit tomorrow which of the two you want JKed since Newbie's plan didn't really make a difference as to what we'd be doing at night anyway. | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote: Well the game is solved. castingGolems *are* most likely town. I dont expect scum framer + scum RB'r So they are either scum goon fake claiming (plausible due to VE lynch, but unlikely) or actual blue role (most likely). I know my role.. and i know my interactions with ppl like FT/Dr.P went someway to divining all our alignments as town.. so that leaves you as the lowest hanging fruit; in short: I cant play along because I can't envisage a different scenario. (moc) How exactly is that even plausible? Newbie WAS roleblocked. If we were a goon that would not have happened. If we were goon fakeclaiming RB or JK then why no counterclaim JK, making it easy as fuck to catch us in a lie and lynch? | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:24 FiveTouch wrote: Err what? How do you know they were roleblocked? Uh....because we're the fucking JK? | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:25 Moology wrote: No1 knows if Newbie was RB'd as the OP says its not telegraphed.... Oh THAT I didn't know. Well in any case, yeah. I guess now I can't prove that your post makes no sense but I know it doesn't make any sense based on our role. | ||
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Whatever, if DrH can go an entire game (LX) without reading any of the fucking roles and still play, be town and look scummy as fuck for not reading, then I'm allowed to not remember/read the entirety of mine. Either way, proof or not, this doesn't change what happens tonight. | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:33 Moology wrote: Lol.. you're not at the level of Dr.H or Palmar Fuck you. I don't see how vet status makes people immune to playing like shit. Once again you're welcome to continue to suspect us based on the fact that I haven't looked at my role PM since I first got it, but that doesn't change shit. You or Prom are getting JKed tonight. | ||
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On March 18 2013 14:24 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Sooo... what exactly is your stance on Casters now? He's looking for an out, and it's up to you and the two other 'confirmed townies' if you want to give it to him tomorrow. You all know what my plan is for tonight. | ||
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Prom still looks scummy for not even attempting to defend himself at this point and is still content to decide that his one contribution to the game 'nailing VE' is enough and now he can sit back and relax and anyone who decides that this isn't good enough can go fuck themselves. Moology looking real hard for a way to pin this on either myself or Prom. | ||
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On March 18 2013 23:38 FiveTouch wrote: I'm not stealing anyone's credit, you guys vaguely ranted about OE being mafia and everyone ignored you and found you the more suspicious. This is plain to see from reading the thread. It was my case that sealed OE's fate. I mean, hurray for you catching OE and all that, well done, bla bla bla, but it's not really the point. ~marv I agree with marv here; it was his FT's case that really turned us onto OE being mafia. Yamato's case was the spark that ignited the fire. And Mocsta, you can't blame your 26-page filter burnout on anyone but yourself, you know.  | ||
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On March 19 2013 04:19 FiveTouch wrote: I don't really care about Wave's response to be honest. Lulz. To be honest Soniv and I discussed it earlier before this came up and we're already pretty sure we know what we're doing for night action. We'll announce it at the appropriate time of course. As far as tomorrow's lynch target goes, it really depends on what happens tonight. | ||
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On March 19 2013 04:22 FiveTouch wrote: I mean, that isn't a slight on you or anything Wave. More that it doesn't mean that much. I'm just waiting to see whatever it is this bombshell Omni has. Oh I know. Only a few hours to go! | ||
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On March 19 2013 08:09 Moology wrote: pretty sure you'll find it in the scum QT. Mostly to try to mess with everybody and VE's master plan lolgg everybody Well, it worked on me for a while. My blue slip turned out to actually be worthwhile :3 Sorry for the confusion everyone -S4 | ||
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