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On March 11 2013 17:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: None, other than conversations that clearly have no alignment indication. Use common sense when assessing that. Can I suggest you just put a blanket ban on all log sharing in any form. I just don't see a way to balance this for scum if seven guys get to show their dynamic interactions and evolving reads. Basically just have a full on ban of all log sharing so that there is no grey area. | ||
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For ease of mind would you each be so kind as to put both your names in your quote. It is somewhat annoying to keep going back to the OP to figure out who is who. Thanks! On March 13 2013 08:32 ObliviousEyes wrote: My posts will be painfully obvious...no pun intended. Just count the number of elipses and if it's >4, it's VE. Plus I'll be signing my posts. Anyway I'm town this game so you guys can all breathe just a little bit easier. -VE just have to say, on first read through this made me laugh. You posting that you wouldn't need to say anything since you would use ellipses and not using a single one. Well done champ. On March 13 2013 09:00 ObliviousEyes wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen of the class of Mafia Hydra Lynch Mafia If I could offer you only one tip for the future, lynching mafia would be it. The long-term benefits of lynching mafia have been proven by towns, Whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable Than my own countless mislynches. I will dispense this advice... now. Enjoy the power and beauty of being newb, oh, never mind. You will not understand the players and posters of your first game Until they're jaded but trust me, in a couple years you'll look back At games you played and recall in a way you can't grasp now How much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really played. You are NOT as bad as you imagine. Don't worry about the next game or worry knowing that worrying Is as effective as trying to solve a scum team By throwing darts. The real troubles in mafia are apt to be things That never crossed your newbie mind That kind of blindsides you at 4 a.m. hours before a deadline. Do one thing every day that amuses you. Read Don't be reckless with other player's words. Don't put up with players who are reckless with yours. Analyze Don't waste you time on lurkers Sometimes town's ahead, sometimes town's behind, The game is long and in the end, it's only with the mafia. Remember the compliments you receive, forget the insults, If you succeed in doing this, tell me how Keep your old game PMs, throw away your old thread subscriptions Write The most interesting players I know Didn't play mafia until 22 years old Some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know do not. Get plenty of rest, be kind to your eyes. You'll miss them when they're gone. Maybe you'll carry, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll teach newbies, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll leave after 40 games, maybe you'll gloat over mafia corpses on your 7th straight town victory. Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much Or berate yourself either Your lynches are half chance, so are everybody else's. Enjoy your hydra, use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it, or what other players think of it. It's the greatest instrument you'll ever own. Talk, even if you have noplace to do it in but your own PM inbox Read the OP even if you don't intend to obey it. Do not read newbie guides they will only make you self-conscious. Get to know your idols, you never know when they'll quit for good, Be nice to your game hosts, they're your best link to future games, And the most likely to help you in the future. Understand that mafia games come and go, But a previous few, who should hold on (MAFIA LI - ALWAYS REMEMBER) Work hard to find the gaps in the mafia's playstyle. For as the better you get, the more you need the players You knew when you started this game. Live in the General Forum once but leave before it makes you too hard. Live in the Blogs Forum once but leave before it makes you too soft. Enjoy Accept certain inalienable players Mafiastars will rise, game hosts will philander, you too will get good And when you do, you'll fantasize about when you were new Mafiastars were nobodies, game hosts were stoic, and newbies respected veterans. Respect the veterans Do not expect anyone else to support you Maybe you have a Skype group, maybe you'll have an amazing Hydra partner. But you never know when your time in this game might run out. Don't mess too much with your meta Or by the time you hit Day 3 you're going to look like you're playing Day 8 Be careful whose advice you take but be patient with those who supply it Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing for roles from the game thread, pointing them out, getting them night killed, And making a bigger deal about it than it is. But trust me on the mafia. -OO + Show Spoiler + Everybody's Free (To wear sunscreen) haha, holy shit. Don't even care if you are mafia. This just got me right in the nostalgia. I hope you win all of your games forever <3 At the moment I am rather interested in Throats' attack on Moc. I wouldn't say I'm convinced but I am certainly...interested. Like others I'm distracted by personality right now (do you know how hard it is to not post in limericks?) but I am happy to have a new day with no roleplaying. VE, why comment on Oats doing something self-contradictory and dumb? Are you calling him scum for it or are you simply poking fun at it? What was the intent of your 'really' post? | ||
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I know, a day one roleclaim is terrible. Hear me out. A Named VT in this set up is not helpful. He is the same as a miller in C9++ he may or may not exist and is the perfect fake claim for scum to escape the lynch. I want any and all Named VTs to claim today so that scum cannot claim the role later. We don't need to give scum an easy way out of a lynch. Does anyone have any objection to this idea? If yes please explain why. If you agree please state that you agree. | ||
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Yes thrawn/oats I do have reads but I want to talk to my other head before sharing and he just hasn't shown up. I'm parking a ##Vote: Dirk Hardpec down for now. Bugs stop trolling and play please. Yes this is a pressure vote and yes I am telling you how to get out of it. You aren't dumb so I don't feel a need to disguise my intentions. | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:02 ObliviousEyes wrote: I assumed OE was "OmniEulogy", the other head of Mocsta's hydra? Ugh, I can't keep the names straight - I'd really like it if everyone just referred to everyone else by the name of the slot they're in. Anyway, his case on Moo seems driven by emotion - Mocsta/Oats have kinda a little history of going head to head as townies (Nomination, I thnk they did so in LX at one point?) so I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that's what's going on here. I'm more interested in what comes out of FiveTouch/WillNeverReadVEsPostsEver(DirkHardpec). Presumably, that's 2 hydras with four players who should know better than they appear to. TheCastingGolems are looking a little bit better - they're at least providing opinions now, which is better than before. I'll admit that the casting style is actually kinda endearing too. For now, I'm also going to ##Vote: DirkHardpec because his posts are basically begging for votes. So fuck it, why not oblige? -VE moc/oats goes back to their newbie games. I usually find just letting them yell at each other and ignoring their opinions of each other is safest. Kier and palmar seem to be absent. I think this is just marv and bugs yelling at each other. I need my stupid other head here so i can talk some things over with him. I'm gone until Yam comes back. Expect nothing from me until he shows he face. | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:39 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Hmmm looks like I missed a bit. Of note from the first few pages: 1) I read through that Moology/Parnassus fight earlier in the game and my eyes glazed over before I could finish it. Good discussion generator, but overall a silly fight over non-allignment indicative stuffs. Both seem townie based on how they handled it anyway. 2) "Casting Golem" or whoever is annoying, and not in a townie way. Summary stuff has been mentioned previously. However, a lot of his "analytical" posts are based around discrediting others rather than hunting for scum. He has his vote parked on Moology... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=10#191 ...then makes this giant post about how FiveTouch has a "vote first ask questions later policy"... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=11#205 However in that post on Fivetouch, there's no mention of suspicion, no mentions of reads, no mention of pretty much anything. It looks like simple criticism and is scummy. Looks like my buddy iamp has our vote parked on him for now, and I have no objections. 3) Regarding "Promato" - one post caught my eye: Yamato coming back shoudl have nothing to do with how frequently Prome decides to post. Prome is never shy about posting as town, and this comment makes very little sense with his town mentality. ~Hapa its a free time issue. Yam promised to carry and he hasn't shown up. I haven't heard from him in three days and I do not have the time for two games. As I said in pre. Why shed doubt on me without calling me scum for it though? My activity is going to be shit this game espesially if its only me playing. So you better judge me on my posts. | ||
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On March 14 2013 06:10 DrParnassus wrote: prom the problem is that you have pretty much 0 reads so far. and if you'd've read the thread you would have realized that hapa had already gotten over that point to which you just referred. so what's up? replied to that as I was reading the thread but got called away (my girl is really sick, as much as I love you guys she still takes priority). I'm taking care of her pretty much 24/7 right now. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:52 FiveTouch wrote: damnit, I was really hoping to get something out of Witty before you guys started voting him and forced his hand. Seeing if someone contributes without pressure is way more cool. I think I caught this idea off supersoft in... YANMM lies! lies! I cuaght marv in a lie! + Show Spoiler + it was actually normal IV, not YAN On March 14 2013 04:09 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Ohhhh that makes more sense. So I'll wait for yamato do do his thing then. that would make more sense but it isn't the case. I seriously don't have any time to devote to this game. I've read the thread once as it goes. I need Yamato to be here to carry me, my pregame plan was to not post and just sit in the qt with Yamato and make him do the leg work and I haven't had the chance. Preliminary reads: I like throats, this feels like a genuine attack on me from thrawn that I usuallyonly see with his town play. I was worried because of the moc/oats tunnel but being mature enough to let it go is points in my book. He is upgraded to an early green. Five I'm worried about. marv's attacks on Dirk are a little weird, sure Dirk needs to stop trolling but that is why he should have votes. marv making an issue out of the contradiction was silly since bugs was clearly fucking around offering to hammer in a plurality deadline lynch game. marv is suspicious to me but, and I stress this, not enough to kill yet. I also hate people who defend me. Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me. The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN) Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum. anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised. | ||
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I will have some time to play tonight Gonna give the thread a read and come out with some thoughts. | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:54 WittyHydraName wrote: Im strugging to find the motivation to follow this game, between Heart of the Swarm and a pretty big burnout after Duel. Ill give you my thoughts in an hour or two. Adam. I really consider this a scum claim from Adam. Maybe he really is burnt out, but town Adam is almost always loud about the lynch and has opinions. Scum Adam does nothing. This looks like scum Adam. As Marv said, this hydra is insanely easy to catch and I'm not surprised their collective effort is so small. Palmar/Bugs are both trollish players as either alignment, but I agree with Marv's sentiment that a total troll bugs is a mafia one, because town Bugs does try, and can be a very positive influence on town, minus the insults and complaining. Palmar is known to give zero fucks as any alignment, so trying to read his head of the hydra is less meaningful than picking apart what Bugs is doing, which is not scumhunting. Also, I'm looking at Moology right now. Something I can't explain feels off about Mocsta. Too much text formatting or something. | ||
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On March 14 2013 12:44 FiveTouch wrote: Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it. Keir, I love you and all but shut up. I don't care that you find your other head town. Can you do me a favour and look for scum. Your hard defense with no scum hunting is way scummier than marv's early game (not calling you scum, just a reminder to scum hunt) I said earlier I had no problem with the golems and one of you mentioned that I was okay with trolling or something. That wasn't it at all, I just feel like in their role play I can genuinely follow their thoughts so I don't mind it. And as VE said its kinda cute. | ||
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On March 14 2013 13:40 FiveTouch wrote: No. Fuck that. I'll shut up when he's provided a satisfactory reason for me being scum, since he's spent so much time talking about it. He's "contributing" without actually doing anything. That's not gonna fly, and I'll keep pressuring him until he gives me a reason not to. [b]Of course I find my "other half" town because he shares my alignment. What a stupid statement. None of us in this game are separate entities. Yea, every individual player is accountable not only for his actions, but those of his partner too. I am marv, marv is me. Just like you == yamato. that is my point. Stop giving us meta reads on yourself and hunt scum, if you think it is moc show me why. goodnight. | ||
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Fuck I wish I was grush so I could at least STARSENSES to clear myself because you should be looking at me/yam. We haven't done anything or contributed much more than squat. My goal is to not waste a lynch on us pretty much. Anyway I need to go study to not fail this exam. Sorry. | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:04 Promethelax wrote: well fuck. I'll read the thread and analyze tomorrow. Fuck this shit. ...I suck | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:04 DrParnassus wrote: heh prom u so scum sorry. I'm not. But for once I don't fault you for thinking so. | ||
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What seems obvious to me, as thrawn said himself, is that he is town. Thrawn is not playing anything like his scum meta and all, and obviously cares the most about the game at the moment. I know it's taboo to mention town reads at night, but mafia should just as easily be able to discern his towniness in relation to others, so I'm not worried that I'm giving out wildly shocking analysis here. Throats is probably town. After that... I'm less sure. I feel like the Marv/Keir head is probably town, because aggression is something I do not associate with mafia Keirathi, so that's a point in their favor. Marv's analysis of the Adam/Snarfs hydra was spot on in my opinion, the only thing that made me rethink it was how easily it really did go down. Rarely is a mafia lynch that simple. I have no real reason to suspect them as mafia, BUT IT'S MARV, and he sets off my paranoia-dar in every game, so that's nothing new. Hapa has been oddly quiet. In small minis like this, town Hapa is usually a pretty good driving force for conversation. I might have to give that head a good look very soon, because with the Adam/Snarfs town flip, they do look noticeably worse. Moology is fairly townie. I mentioned earlier that Moc felt off, but they are consistently sharing their thoughts with the thread and being fairly objective since the arguing earlier, so I don't feel especially motivated to filter them extensively any longer. Casting golems are a veritable mystery, but between the two of them I feel like they're the weakest players here, so I give them some more imaginary slack in the way of real reads. That big post above looks decent, and it agrees with my general suspicion of Hapiamp, so I they are currently green to me. Dirk might be mafia after this flip, especially since he only barely managed to shove the lynch onto Snarfs/Adam. Lots of people have said this, but the low hanging fruit is usually a decent place to look for mafia, and they are indeed the lowest. It doesn't help that they seem to be trolling with their post signatures and such. Who else is there, the VE/OO head? I've been ignoring them, to be honest. Gonna filter them and see what I can see. -Yam | ||
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On March 15 2013 14:47 yamato77 wrote: Because I just got home from work and am posting my thoughts about the game that I've had while at work. I think I reach some solid conclusions. You are town. I don't TRULY doubt that Marv/Keir are town, Moo is probably town, despite my initial suspicion. This game, it isn't super black and white like most. I also haven't had nearly the amount of time I would have liked to play it, so there's that. Don't worry, by lynch time day 2, no one will be talking about me. | ||
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Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. | ||
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What I do know is that they are both collectively confident, spam-happy town players normally, and I am not feeling that from their filter this game. It's markedly off, and it's something I have noted, but then again, most everyone is playing low-activity for their normal selves. | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:04 DrParnassus wrote: Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? I just reread that filter, and it's Hapa who is being active, not iamp. I really don't feel like they're worth pursuing any longer. Hapa does not look disinterested, despite the low activity. Compared to some, he is kind of spammy actually. | ||
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On March 15 2013 04:18 ObliviousEyes wrote: I am willing to consolidate upon the lurker WittyHydraName. I think Palmugs more likely to flip scum. Filtering VE/OO, and this quote looks particularly bad. Summary of their filter is: -Criticise Casting Golems/Call them mafia offhandedly -Talk about Dirk like it's going to change anything -Make this horrid post So as for difficulty of targets picked, this hydra gets a zero. I don't even know their reads on anyone else in the game, to be honest. On March 13 2013 17:07 ObliviousEyes wrote: I'm trying to figure out his motivations. Like, I just don't know what he's trying to accomplish with that question. The "really really" was just me being a jerk about it. I'm trying to figure out if there's a difference between Named VTs claiming today and Named VTs just counterclaiming scum if they try and fakeclaim it at lynch time. Is there any? I guess it would depend on the circumstances. What if we just agree to go ahead and lynch Named VTs if they are counterclaimed on the block? It could be a thing where there are more than one Named VT, but it would be the same thing if two Named VTs claimed now wouldn't it? Eehhhhhhhhh actually I like it. If the Named VTs claim now then scum cannot use it as a fakeclaim later unless they do it right now, and if they do they run the risk of being outted as scum to the other PRs if there are any. We know that there is a maximum of 2 blues, so if 2 NVTs claim and there's a cop for instance, then he gets a guaranteed scum check that night...or if there's a doctor then there's a 100% chance that there's a mafia in the 2 NVT claims which is also powerful even if the doctor doesn't claim to out him. Named VTs should claim. Plus I fucking abhor policy shit like this, and when it comes from VE, I hate it even more. | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:46 DrParnassus wrote: So who is scum then? Since your top scum read isnt actually scum anymore? On March 15 2013 15:29 Promato wrote: Filtering VE/OO, and this quote looks particularly bad. Summary of their filter is: -Criticise Casting Golems/Call them mafia offhandedly -Talk about Dirk like it's going to change anything -Make this horrid post So as for difficulty of targets picked, this hydra gets a zero. I don't even know their reads on anyone else in the game, to be honest. Plus I fucking abhor policy shit like this, and when it comes from VE, I hate it even more. | ||
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It's like, the number one scum tell. Yell that someone is mafia, but consent to thread sentiment in one post. | ||
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On March 15 2013 16:32 ObliviousEyes wrote: Consider this defense as "obligatory" because yamato literally just said I'm his top scumread.
Do you have any kind of SPECIFIC problem with our play? Or are you just poking and prodding? Why are we ignoring this guy? Again, I repeat, VE does that soft push of town's wagon thing all the fucking time as mafia. I would be shocked if he was town. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:43 Promethelax wrote: I don't see that this matters. Hyrdas are one being. You must read fivetouch. Not kier, not marv, but fivetouch. son of a bitch! I used to be good at this. | ||
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He's also all kinds of afk for a while now, which is highly, highly suspicious. His latest post is a defense of himself from my attacks which doesn't even address the strongest point, that VE is obviously willing to consent to lynching with town in ALL OF ONE POST, despite screaming that Dirk is mafia in all of his other posts. It's exactly the same thing I nailed him for day one in Nomination. Stop fucking ignoring it. | ||
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On March 16 2013 06:03 FiveTouch wrote: I still think he's town. Everything reads as pretty genuine to me. I understand the flow of the filter and the thoughts. I'm not totally certain about this, but I think so. ~marv Read the post I quoted. It's the only time he even MENTIONS Witty while town is fawning over lynching him. Not only was he otherwise ignorant of town's escapades, but he didn't even bother giving a read on the guy other than saying he's "willing to lynch him". Come on, Marv, this is scum VE and you know I know. | ||
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On March 16 2013 06:06 DrParnassus wrote: Is this prom? How are you so fucking sure about VE being mafia when you obviously aren't even making half an effort to play the game? You have like 0 town cred atm. You seem so goddamn sure about this VE read...... but I don't see how you would be able to be so confident if I'm to believe that you are truly an over-burdened townie who cba to play the game imo you and VE are at about the same level of scumminess This is yamato. And no, me being busy does not detract from my ability to catch mafia. I am sure about VE because THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I CAUGHT MAFIA VE BEFORE. | ||
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I got to him first! Lol. Anyway, good to know we're on the same page. | ||
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Give me a quick run down of what you think of me and Yam. We're one of your towniest reads. It shouldn't be hard to tell me why. p | ||
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On March 16 2013 06:47 ObliviousEyes wrote: Your initial speculation re: Named VT made me think critically about the setup. Yamato's push on me feels genuine, misguided though it be. I won't support a lynch on you two. That's all you should care about. weeee, you are scum. I'll have to buy Yam a beer later. | ||
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you are threatening me to believe that you believe that I am town. Or to quote you "That's all you should care about" implying I shouldn't care about your alignment. Its hilarious because it isn't something town VE thinks. Also because you have called me scum in the past for saying you are a strong town player (NMM IV) and so me calling you out on your bullshit with no reasoning on my part should strike you as scummy or something. But it didn't. Because you know I am town. | ||
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I have the information and reads I need. And because there is zero chance I'm the nightkill (seriously fucking none, look at me i haven't even posted enough to give blue vibes or anything) I don't have to explain anything until day. | ||
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some follow up needed while I reread Dirk though. Interesting kill choice really. | ||
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Lol, everyone else does look fairly town. | ||
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I was the first one to nail VE as mafia. I have subsequently waited to see what people do in repsonse to this. Only you have done anything that isn't call him mafia, which is either the dumbest move in the thread, or a sign that you're just bad town. The thing I have to consider is; would mafia bus VE here or not? My instinct says yes, but you coming in here and accusing me over sitting back and watching today is bullshit. I caught one mafia, and I'm in the process of catching another. | ||
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Like I said, you're either mafia or bad town. The question is which. | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:36 DrParnassus wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: Promato That's the worst vote I have ever seen. | ||
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Ugh. Talk to thrawn, he knows better. | ||
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On March 17 2013 06:01 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Also I need to hear more from Moology. He's not participating much in this discussion at all. Trufax Let's not jump off the bridge into lynching TLCG over OO when Moo is being worse about this. | ||
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On March 17 2013 10:09 yamato77 wrote: Kill OE first because I have my doubts about TLCG. | ||
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VE's buddy is one of FT, Moo, or TLCG. I don't think that Marv would come out agreeing with me to lynch his scum buddy so quickly, but the possibility exists. Keir is the reason I think this head is townish, so that's all I have to think about. TLCG coming out with a null read is not something I would expect mafia to do here, nor is the botched blue claim that seems messy. Mafia play is planned, clean; this seems townish in that it just kinda happened. This coupled with their willingness to argue about this stuff today makes me think they are more likely town than mafia. Moo weakly bussed VE and has since talked a lot about me, specifically trying to keep me open as a viable scum read. If I had to guess, this head is the other mafia. He is hardly involved in these discussions, and while he's voting VE, most of his discussion has been about me. There are few things that might change my position on these things but I won't talk about them because I don't want to affect how this thread is developing. As it stands, it is obvious to me that Parnassus and Newbie are both supertown, and they are doing plenty good creating the kinds of posts from these players that I need to analyse. If people have doubts about my personal alignment, I don't really care. This game is nearly solved. | ||
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Prom is afk even in our QT for over a day. I'm not worried, because he echoes these same sentiments when we do talk. | ||
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From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote: yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling. You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread. I specifically mentioned Keirathi as the reason I think they're probably town out of the three, so don't nitpick unnecessarily. My "catching another one" comment was in general, not specifically aimed at Golems. They did initially look bad, but as you can see from my filter, I was not sold on them being mafia from the beginning. If I need to I'll make my case on Moo in time. There's no reason to do all of that before the VE/OO flip. Believe me, you'll know when I'm certain. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:44 DrParnassus wrote: and I 100% stand by my statement about policy voting you D3 until prom starts posting. I didn't read that most recent scum game of his, but I heard about it on the podcast. Seems like scum prom wouldn't be toooo difficult to catch, so he needs to get his ass in here asap That's stupid. Judge us by our combined play. Am I really that difficult to read? Am I hard to catch as mafia? Don't be silly and waste your vote. Use your head. Scum is MOST LIKELY in the group I mentioned. People keeping me in the group are doing so unnecessarily. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:52 yamato77 wrote: All he said was that the NK makes Marv look bad, but to make sure we lynch VE today. Seems he's happy about me catching VE from his posts in the thread and is just as confident as I am. | ||
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Last scum is moo not golems. golems town: 1) claim 2) troll play too brave 3) stupid thoughts on promato 4) too cute for scum Moo scum: 1) reads flow with thread sentiment 2) tries to throw suspicion where there is none 3) is scummy as butts 4) moc addresses everything to me (prom) and not to Yam who actually said things. He is disinterested in thread and is not reading. Assumes I am talking and isn't trying to cozy up to me (town moc just wants my dick all the time) + Show Spoiler [moc not wanting my dick] + On March 17 2013 14:25 Moology wrote: hmm... you bring up a really good point with Prom Golems. I'm going through his filter again as well and other than him exposing OE there really isn't anything else worth noting. There's a lot of nothing in his last page other than attacking other players. I mean even his contribution to the VE lynch isn't a lot outside of a meta read. It doesn't seem like it took a lot of effort from Prom to catch him. Especially considering he's barely been playing the game. + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 05:26 Promato wrote: lol, this is bullshit. I was the first one to nail VE as mafia. I have subsequently waited to see what people do in repsonse to this. Only you have done anything that isn't call him mafia, which is either the dumbest move in the thread, or a sign that you're just bad town. The thing I have to consider is; would mafia bus VE here or not? My instinct says yes, but you coming in here and accusing me over sitting back and watching today is bullshit. I caught one mafia, and I'm in the process of catching another. It's also good to have confidence in your reads but while we are still discussing scum OE he seems to know what alignment OE will be when they flip without a doubt. I mean when I read through OE's filter I think he's scum because all of their "cases" are summaries with no real opinions. They don't seem to discuss how to catch scum at all or try to really figure anything out that would help town. OE is scummy for a lot of reasons but Prom doesn't really address that. Prom just says meta read! OE scum! after ignoring them up to that point and while lurking. Basically "VE looks scummy, what does everybody else think about my observation?" I'm too lazy for a bigger PR piece. But Moc is scum. He can die next. | ||
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Golems. Feel free to RB me or moo. Either way do your thing. I don't care which of us it is. Claim it with the day post though so that Moo can't get away with shooting you and saying you must have RB'd me. If the game isn't over you can lynch me and we can lose. Wave: no, none of those people can be scum. That is how mafia is played. You get town reads. You figure out why someone has to be town. You eliminate them from the possible scum list. You lynch into the left overs. | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:34 Moology wrote: ?? its called a frame; cos you guys trying to paint us as scum. its worded in the literal sense.. but hey nice strawman attempt Prome (moc) Nope, you have the golems framing you. We can't both be framing you. There aren't two scum left. You are scum. Concede now or be lynched tomorrow. Your call. | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:39 FiveTouch wrote: I think you guys should fight about it. (Also, it's pretty strange how both of you were so sure that golems was lying 24 hours ago, but now you're more interested in each other. What changed?) wat? I never thought the golems were lying. I've had them as town since day one. Imp, I'm angry because Yam and I together spent about ten minutes playing this game and we have played better than anyone else. We caught scum, we pushed the case and we lynched scum. I got VE to rage out of the thread after he scum slipped. Yam wrote the perfect case on VE earlier. I can be angry when fools call me scum after being the one to catch scum. Thrawn said the only significant thing we did was catch scum. How am I supposed to not be mad at that? The only significant thing he has done was sheep me on scum. | ||
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Lynch Moc. Win. I'll be in tomorrow to vote. I don't feel like making a PR case. You guys can all go and reread the game for yourselves and figure it out. night all! | ||
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Didn't you know that having town reads is scummy? God you are so out of touch. Also catching scum, thats scummy too. | ||
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Okay guys, we'll be doing a full claim at dawn. Moc will claim first. Yam and I will go second since people are suspicious of us. After that I don't care about the order, make your own minds up about that. | ||
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But yeah. Moo is scum. Very scum. | ||
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Their fucking role PM says that. | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:33 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: You claimed VT. You believe that Golems is Jailer. Speaking of implausible setups, do you really believe that VT + Jailer + Cop is plausible? durrr durr VT means Vanilla Townie durrr | ||
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Golems: not reading the op is very different from not reading your own role pm. Don't equate one with the other. | ||
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That's all I have to say about this game Wagon of justice, gogogogogogo. | ||
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On March 15 2013 18:51 Moology wrote: Now (Essentially a last will) My concerns are currently with the following teams (1) Golems - They seem to have listened to feedback. I want to see a bit more from them before deciding which side of null they are going. But it is a positive from less experienced players to take criticisms on board. (2) Newbie - They are Jeckyl/Hyde so far. I think they need to be scrutinsed Day2, to get some consistency between the two haeds. Right now the lack of consistency makes them essentially unreadable (i.e. a very confused read) sitting at very slightly leaning town. (3) Promato - Im just scared of lurkers in general after the loss in Mafia LX. These guys have given reasons for the low activity so I expect HIGH QUALITY with small doses. Not getting that so far; they are my sleeper pick for scum. Yams recent list post was... *meh* bunch of wishy-washy reads. Which is fine and all - considering the lack of activity; but why bother to post it? Like i said, if you want to post less fine; but the quality needs to be there. (4) Hardpec - I am in agreement with Omni here. And I dont care Oats that you disagree. If hes not a strong town read, dont step in. And certainly @ night, do not expect a case. Hardpec + Promato are my current picks to follow through with on Day2 (4 1/2) VE - I am throwing him in purely because hes not as active as I have come to expect from recent town VE + Normally he uimms/ahhs a fuck ton before lynch - and we not getting that this game. ============== This is probably going to be my last post for the cycle. Going out tonight, and deadline is 7am on a Saturday => i will miss it. (moc)  Shall we talk about this quote? It makes Moo scum. There, I've talked about it. | ||
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Yam was the first to post the case on VE and even when we aren't posting much we were going to get that lynch through. We're both loud enough when we need to be to lynch whomever needs to be lynched. Don't pretend like his fate was anything but sealed since our case on him. Its cute how moo wants the credit too though, its so sweet how he wants to grow up to be me. | ||
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Look, I believe that Moo scumcslipped. I believe that his interactions with and reads on VE/OO make it very obvious he is scum. I cannot be fucked to prove it to you when it is obvious. I am not in the mood to show you why my reads are better than yours. I've told you my reads and you get to sheep me. Later you can thank me(this slot) for catching both scum. | ||
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On March 18 2013 23:49 FiveTouch wrote: Fuck this attitude. Seriously. I hope to never have to play with you again if you're going to think like that. Why would me making a big ole public relations post proving why Moo is scum be better? I've shown it to be true to myself. I've pointed out some key reasons. I don't need to dress it up in pretty colours or nice formatting. Each and every player can go and reread and figure it out for themselves. Its obvious. Just sheep me to victory. Lynch Moo. | ||
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I'm not wasting my time with a big case. I don't need one. Moo is scum and people can either 1) sheep me or 2) re read the thread and come to that conclusion themselves. If someone is choosing to sheep me it is because they think I am town and have good reads so I don't need to produce a case. If they want to read the thread and look for scum I am confident that all of these hydras are good enough to figure it out for themselves, again no need for a big case. Why did you change your read on me so fast, hmm? I was totes town two minute ago. Now you will lynch me. Do explain. | ||
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I don't have the energy to force townies to see scum when I've already shown them how and why someone is scum. Either vote Moo because he is scum or don't vote moo because you are wrong. Those are your options. I'm not in the mood to be liked. I'm in the mood to win this game and maybe go get drunk and fight someone. being likable isn't necessary really, people need to vote with me to kill scum, they don't need to want to come to a hug party or some hippie love-in with em. | ||
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So get your heads in line. And make the sheep follow suit. You'll be shot in a few hours (unless Moo gets RB'd which is possible) so you may as well make your PR piece now instead of later. I'm also pretty sure Omni is planning on conceding. Moc wouldn't do it but Omni would. | ||
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I guess there are more than three reasons. Sue me. I am giving you my scum read. I have the reasons in my filter. What is it you cannot hold me accountable for? | ||
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Okay so: 1) + Show Spoiler [Interactions between moo and OE] + On March 15 2013 18:51 Moology wrote: -snip- (4 1/2) VE - I am throwing him in purely because hes not as active as I have come to expect from recent town VE + Normally he uimms/ahhs a fuck ton before lynch - and we not getting that this game. ============== This is probably going to be my last post for the cycle. Going out tonight, and deadline is 7am on a Saturday => i will miss it. (moc) yeah so as I pointed out earlier this is Moc taking a scummy-ass out at interaction with his scum buddy. He calls out his buddy but does nothing to push it or even make it seem as if he wants to vote VE, he is setting himself up to be able to look good if he needs to. 2)+ Show Spoiler [Voting Patterns and Reads] + On March 16 2013 08:54 Moology wrote: What the fuck... ##Vote: ObliviousEyes With Dirk's death that really puts me off on calling Newbie scum. He should know that once Dirk is gone he's next in a lot of peoples minds. It doesn't make sense. OE looks like a good candidate and I'm starting to really want to hear from Golems again. Again as Moo sets himself up to look good from an OE flip he says he is looking at the golems again. He is looking to switch his vote and does nothing to work on his read on OE or develop it in any way. This vote is from scum who knows he has to vote his buddy but isn't quite willing to bus hard and early On March 16 2013 12:27 Moology wrote: I thought even Mocsta touched on VE's town meta in his case. Personally I (omni) have never played with VE but I worked it out another way for scum VE to still make sense to me without meta, and that was determining that a mafia Newbie would never have made the NK on Dirk and therefore my previous suspicions had been wrong. Obviously wrong about Dirk, and through a town Dirk, probably wrong about Newbie. Rather than knowing how VE plays I tried to use process of elimination and found that I could not eliminate the possibility of a scum ObliviousEyes. I also think his caps lock contest was really scummy considering how he has been behaving all game up to that point. It comes across to me as being WAY over defensive. People mention he might be scum and he flips out? It's pretty telling behavior. I believe he is scum. This still leaves us with 1 more candidate though and it's why I said I wanted to hear back from Golems as he was suspected during D1, came back and did what he needed to survive and then left again. Hope that clears up any confusion about my vote DrP. Here is OE being apologetic, and nonsensical like the scummer he is, he wants to hear form Golems because 'they were suspected' Note the passive construction of the sentence. OE does not think that Golems are scum. He thinks that they were suspected by townies. On March 17 2013 08:08 Moology wrote: Sure thing. Although Prom hasn't said very much really, Almost less than me. if OE flips scum he'll be town in my book though. No reason for him to start the lynch on OE if they were both mafia. For now he's null. They claimed to be busy and I can understand exactly how much that takes away from being able to post. DrP is my strongest town read. His back and forth with Mocsta at the very start put him as townie imo. He continues to scum hunt and nearly everything he has said resonates town to me. The constant change in opinion from Thrawn/Oats is a little concerning but at the same time I don't think town really needs to worry about having different opinions where scum would be the ones who need to always be on the same page. Maybe I'm thinking about that wrong but imo it makes sense in a hydra game. FT is right behind DrP and is also a town read for me. He seemed genuinely upset (and imo mistaken) that people were just going to sheep his vote and stop scum hunting for the rest of the day. Both DrP and FT have made their thoughts on who is town/scum very clear and the reasoning behind it is sound. It's for that reason I thought one of them would have made a good NK target and also why I found it so strange when Golems said he JK'd you (newbie) instead of one of them. You as well seem town in my book because of the way the Dirk lynch was set up. I can't see you as being scum and basically lining yourself up to be lynched today to get rid of DIRK. If Prom hadn't got on VE's case and called him out / forced him to handle the pressure so poorly I think you would have the majority of votes right now competing with Golems instead of VE. For that reason you are also null - leaning town until the flip of VE. This is another reason why I want to see VE dead. When he flips scum I can move both yourself and Prom to town and as I know I am town, this only leaves Golems left to be scum. On March 18 2013 12:30 Moology wrote: Pfft.. mocsta calls bullshit As I said before, being the first voter is indicative of nothing. You can move off based on "a better read" at any time. FT made a pretty detailed case. Moology essentially sealed the fate for this scum team, & there is no fuckn way im going to let you or anyone else try and twist our vote into a bus. Moology were already suspicious of VE long before anyone made a case.. Its my last will - granted we didnt make a case, but the doubt was already there. This whole situation reminds me of nomination mafia with Mr.CC.. CC bussed the fuck out of VE; and many refused to vote him (until Yam stepped up to the plate in a big way)..I can definitely see a team such as Promato using this tactic, given yams intimacy with it. Factor in that both posters have not been able to enter the thread as often as they like; and well.. it becomes even more viable to earn free town cred. All the golems gotta do is frame moology, and QED we confirmed town and this game is one step closer to being solved (i.e. either promato is scum (most likely) or casting golems are scum RBs (less likely) scum have to shoot this cycle (too many town mislynches to survive through if they try to frame us by not firing) (moc) cute contradictions. Someone forgot his fake reads. 3) I have nothing to add to this. Here is a picture of my cat in a box. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lhIt8NL.jpg) 4) as pointed out earlier (and don't tell me that scum slips are not real VE did scum slip earlier in the thread) + Show Spoiler + On March 18 2013 10:23 Moology wrote: Frame moology pl0x Fact is: Both me n Omni have been really busy this game and havent been able to put as much "love" into the game as we hoped. If this JK goes some way towards proving us confirmed town, Im happy to take the RB. I think we can afford 2 or 3 NKs, so it wont be done in vain. 5) Moo is still scum. | ||
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Comment on the reads therein and your take on them. Now. | ||
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On March 19 2013 04:15 FiveTouch wrote: There we go, Prome ^^ Saves me from having to put in the legwork. ~marv so its sheep time? Sheep time is my favourite time. Also my cat was the most convincing argument; you just can't argue with her cute little eyes. | ||
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Also you wanna get on this train. You know you do. I'm going to pay attention to this lecture now. You pressure Wave for his response. Thanks. | ||
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Golms RB > Moc if there is no night kill we kill moc if there is a night kill I guess you'll lynch us (we're at 4-1 after this) after the guy lynched flips town Golems RB > SurvivorX if there is a nk you lynch Golems (3-1 still, 2-1 after lynch) if there is no nk you lynch SurvivorX (3-1) both of these allow for the last non Newbie/DrP/Five player to be lynched. Game is over. | ||
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