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On March 13 2013 09:48 Moology wrote: Fuck you Oats or Thrawn At least Marv has as excuse for getting shitty. You got nothing.* And with the context of ObviousOnes stupid waste of a read post.. I find it interesting you decide to still throw a vote towards us.** There will be no eulogy heading my way anytime soon.. just fresh creamy whtie and thick milk #Vote: DrParnassus For jumping onboard a stupid train, for no reasons. (Moc) *So you're saying marv is town or something? **You say that the obvious post is bad and should have made him suspicious, yet you haven;t called him out yourself. And the manner in which you call OO's post bad seems like you're calling him townie. So you've identified 2 things (marv's vote, and OO's post) as things that deserve attention, yet you don't care enough about them to make an issue over 'em. You didn't even say you thought those players are scummy, just bad or something. Combine that with your over-defensiveness.... scum. | ||
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On March 13 2013 10:15 Moology wrote: Marv, no idea.. that one post is non-alignment indicative. I know hes frustrated in the other game. OO.. if he was NOT ObivouisOne, I would say it was scummy to make a bullshit post like that. But, OO play last game was slightly trollish, so I will treat it as non-alignment indicative as well. Im not concerned about their alignment, because its early game, and Im tabbing between a game im hosting.. this game and personality.. its a lot of swallow with all of them having deadlines give or take now. (moc) lolwut you don't have opinions about their alignment because it's early game, and you're busy? yet you have a super-srs opinion about the guy who voted for you on page 1? what is the distinction between what either of them have done and what I've done that makes me scum and them 100% null? you've just claimed that you cba to give any fucks about figuring out alignments at such an early phase in the game yet somehow you've got a strong scum read on me, it doesn't add up | ||
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On March 13 2013 10:23 Moology wrote: Im sick of logging in/out. You're really annoying me right now with this stupid persistence and lack of ability to read. I laid a vote for stupid anti-town play; not because i have a "strong" scum read. And if you think your vote was justified by "strong scum' read, then there is simply no point entertaining further discourse with a cretin. lies lies lies lies I laid a vote for stupid anti-town play; not because i have a "strong" scum read. On March 13 2013 09:57 Moology wrote: Keeping pretending to scum hunt also last time i looked up cretin in the dictionary, a possible synonym was townie. i.e. you just said that you don't want to continue discourse with a townie. your reaction to all of this is beyond comprehension. first you start off with the stance that I'm super obv scum, and now that I've poked you a bit i'm suddenly a cretin instead of your scumread. you know, your scum read that you have no intentions of continuing discourse with. because fuck, why would you possible want to figure out my alignment? lol | ||
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On March 13 2013 10:49 Moology wrote: Right.. and i can easily say to you "conjecture" You know thrawn.. i know this is ya last game on the forum and all, but its no excuse to derp And perhaps you should get a dictionary that wasnt published in the 1800s, cos your definition is tunneled beyond comprehension. Keep being jealous (moc) LOL he implied that I'm town like 3 times here. he's not even interested in alignment indicative discussion, just shit talking, trying to piss me off, and trying to make me look bad mocsta i don't care if you don't care to talk to me anymore but tell your other half that i'm interested in talking to him | ||
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elect mocsta 2013 i'm done for now, this is ridiculous. we've got 18 players but it seems like there's only 4... and the only person responding to me is being a fucking asshole. i've got no idea why he'd want to be such an asshole other than that he's scum and is replacing arguments with insults right now the thread feels like this: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On March 13 2013 10:49 Moology wrote: Right.. and i can easily say to you "conjecture" You know thrawn.. i know this is ya last game on the forum and all, but its no excuse to derp And perhaps you should get a dictionary that wasnt published in the 1800s, cos your definition is tunneled beyond comprehension. Keep being jealous (moc) You know Moc, you have posted absolutely nothing except attacking me. For a 'bad' vote. Which you admitted wasnt scummy. Im am in Full Agreement after the bullshit you have shown. OO's post was obviously premade and should be ignored. Oats. | ||
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On March 13 2013 12:14 Moology wrote: You guys are the monkeys then. You say I have done nothing but attack; yet, I have been nothing but provoked I dont see how you knowOO post was premade.. again more conjecture What is it with you two and making brash statements founded upon no information? VE and newbie said it perfectly; marv vote was bullshit.. wheres your excuse? there is none. (moc) So you think OE's post was not premade? Thats not important. What is important here is that you are OMGUS. You know what that means? Voting for me cause voting for you is bad play. It might be. Again thats not important. What is important is that you are harping on my 'bad' vote at the expense of scumhunting. So far you have done nothing to dissuade me from putting my vote on you. Town Mocsta isnt this prickly, isnt this hardass. Oats. | ||
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On March 13 2013 12:30 Moology wrote: DrP. What is disappointing is that the thread is 2 pages long, and you missing things. Even Thrawn acknowledged that not many have posted. You say I haven't scum hunted, when its early Day1 and you're the only hydra online... Think about what you are saying Oats before you speak up pl0x. All you guys have done in regards to moology is throw down a stupid vote, and disregard all context. Theres a simple reason; VE hydra & iamp hydra said marv vote was stupid. I also happen to agree with that reason. Because the vote was bullshit in the first place. Why you guys decided to run with it, I have no idea. But go ahead and enlighten me. (moc) DISREGARD ALL CONTEXT. Is that a euphemism for not believing your bullshit? with your response to my and Marv's vote, I firmly have a scum read on you. Is that a problem? Why do you keep mentioning VE and Iamp? I am talking about YOU. Thats like saying Oh no officer I didnt kill that man, you see those 2 lawyers? They said that this other guy attacked me without provaction. Yeah thats not gonna fly. Get your cheeseballs together and man up. | ||
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On March 13 2013 12:49 Moology wrote: Right.. So you and Thrawn continue to address Moology as above: and then accuse me of replying "prickly" LOL Sound application of logic there guys. Just like your position on OMGUS. If I gave a shit about marvs vote, I woulda voted him back.. *THAT* would be OMGUS. You guys on the other hand: latch onto something in the thread with no reasoning or intelligence and keep firing away. I am still struggling to believe how you are continuing to make efforts to elevate this matter. So Dr.P. in short: Please be my guest and keep telling yourself you have evidence for a firm scum read. When in reality: This game has 18 players; of which only 8 have made comments. Yet (somehow) with no information on the board you act as if you have nailed scum. *LOL* P.S. Funny how you dont seem to care about the casting golems at all. They went out of their way to comment on the thread status quo, and in the process present zero thought process towards the discussion. Yet you just ignore this outright. Guess for you scum hunter extraordinaires this *must* be signals of town. (moc) So you are saying your vote on me is not OMGUS? Also prickly is a meta read applied to you. Some people are prickly as town. You arent. Also why does everyone need to chime in before I have a scumread? You make no sense Mocsta. About the CastingGolems, its not really alignment indicative that they chose to do that. Its not scummy, and its not townie. | ||
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On March 13 2013 12:49 Moology wrote: P.S. Funny how you dont seem to care about the casting golems at all. They went out of their way to comment on the thread status quo, and in the process present zero thought process towards the discussion. Yet you just ignore this outright. Guess for you scum hunter extraordinaires this *must* be signals of town. (moc) you think they are scum? then talk about that shit. sma eshit as before, you're bringing up things that have happened in the thread saying i should be focused on them instead of you, when you yourself are not focused on them. scum scrum crum rum rum rum scummy rum | ||
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On March 13 2013 13:17 Moology wrote: I already addressed comments their (castinggolems) way. Dr.P Again, its a short thread: and you are so tunneled you are not keeping up. =================== You may have awareness of my meta; but you have no idea whats going on in my real world. I can guarantee the way I am talking in both my active games is nothing to do with my alignment. Not that it is any of your business. I can be courteous and active as either alignment - it is not a tell for me. So its it agitates me severely hearing unfounded bullshit like this. And why does everyone need to chime in? Man seriously, I do not want to continue conversation if you just throw back stupid comments like this. Half the thread has not said anything, so there has been essentially zero meaningful conversation; and your "Read" on moology is based on "air". Me being pissed off in general has nothing to do with exhibiting a scum tell. So yeah, others do need to chime in. (moc) I am done with the conversation. If you want to continue it, address the q to Omni. Do you see the total lack of caring on my face? No? Well its there. My point is that even if we are the only 2 talking and you outright claim scum in thread, does it mean I wait for the other 7 before 'Oh mocsta claimed scum *vote mocsta*' No right? So you being scummy is not dependent on the other people in the game. I dont need you to tell me how to play, I can do it fine on my own. OE, can you read Mocsta's posting and tell me if you think that they are townie? Oats. | ||
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On March 13 2013 13:17 Moology wrote: And why does everyone need to chime in? Man seriously, I do not want to continue conversation if you just throw back stupid comments like this. Half the thread has not said anything, so there has been essentially zero meaningful conversation; and your "Read" on moology is based on "air". Me being pissed off in general has nothing to do with exhibiting a scum tell. So yeah, others do need to chime in. yes i agree with this. at least you have the balls to post unlike everyone else. i feel that our 'argument' has run its course and nothing productive can come out of continuing it. so for now.... --to be continued-- | ||
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also town iamp doesn't qualify his accusations with stuff like "for obvious reasons" so, ##unvote ##vote: Newbie XXXI: Obs QT i'm drunk, really gotta sleep. gonna be real dissappointed if the activity remains the same as far as mocsta... i'm still kinda pissed at him, but whatever, becuase we were the only 2 fucking people talking in the thread. so it's natural that i'd have a scumread on him. mocsta plz be nice TT | ||
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On March 13 2013 14:16 TLCastingGolems wrote: While the battle between Moology and DrParnassus rages on, it seems that Moology is slinging mud elsewhere, attempting to deflect some of the attacks towards us, Wave. I'm not really sure what he wants from us, the game is only a few hours old! That's right, Soniv. And it is difficult to make reads when more than half of the players are still sitting at the nexus! I'm not sure I want to make a definitive decision based on an early game pissing contest between two players. Aaaand DrParnassus appears to be drunk. It's never a good thing to mix drinking and Mafia, Soniv. Hey, now. There aren't any cycle changes for me to confuse just yet! ##unvote ##vote:TLCastingGolems this vote stays until you decide to stop giving objective, non-opinionated commentary. subjective commentary is the only useful commentary | ||
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So if you are scum, make me laugh ![]() Its easy ![]() ##Unvote Also Again Iamp is being USELESS. and non spammy. I want him to die. ##Vote NewbieXXXI_ObsQT (Hapahauli + iamperfection) I think named VTs should CLAIM. Promato, you do have any reads about the Shitfest between me and Mocsta? | ||
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On March 13 2013 17:56 DrParnassus wrote: People that make me laugh arent scum. So if you are scum, make me laugh ![]() Its easy ![]() ##Unvote Also Again Iamp is being USELESS. and non spammy. I want him to die. ##Vote NewbieXXXI_ObsQT (Hapahauli + iamperfection) I think named VTs should CLAIM. Promato, you do have any reads about the Shitfest between me and Mocsta? Oats cause Its annoying to tag my posts ![]() | ||
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On March 13 2013 20:11 WittyHydraName wrote: Oats/Thrawn, whoever threw down the vote on Golems My other head asked you a question at the top of this page: Otherwise, VE, you seem to be making sense. Is this the game we we're dreaming about in the Hero mafia scum QT where we both roll town? In that post you were asking if one hydra head was asking for an opinion from the other head, he wasnt. He was asking for your opinion on his case on mocsta (OE is you.) Nope I dont think he is scum. NEXT QUESTION PLEASE. Also lynch Iamp/Hapa hydra please, utterly useless and trying to sheep off marv. | ||
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##Vote: TLCastingGolems Your vote clearly came after the pressure that was applied, why not earlier? Why must we prod and poke the answers out of you? | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:59 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Eh no point in trying to peg the scum-team in the first few hours. We have a ways to go before we can get accurate reads. Both your top reads seem reasonable. Though you said you had 3/4 reads. Who are the other 1/2? iamp, for reasons previsouly mentioned but I don't think I agree with that read anymore. marv, for not taking the game seriously at all dirk, for obvious reasons the problem is that none of these reads are based on strong evidence, and can be mostly explained away by townies acting how townies sometimes act. see lviii. this game reads almost exactly the same as that one so far which leaves me with prom/VE/moc/golems/wittyname VE is town, I don't have too many doubts about that. Mocsta is prob town too. Drunk me did provoke him more than intended, which can explain away a lot of why I thought he was scum. he also gets townie points for participating when nobody else would. Prom is a weak town read, well maybe a weak null read. I think he's being kinda useless, but that's how I always perceive his D1 play. which leaves the golem and the wittyname, both of which I can easily see being scum | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Well Soniv it's coming down to the halfway point of Day 1 and what have we got to show for it? Honestly it doesn't seem much, Wave. The town has seemingly decided between voting for who annoys them the most; either us for 'casting style' and perceived inactivity and lack of giving them the precise analyses they want, or Dirk Hardpec for doing...well...nothing! I don't know about you, Wave, but this doesn't seem like a town who is keen to scumhunt to me, rather they're quick to jump on easy sheep targets for simple reasons. Let 'em think what they want, Soniv. They'll come around eventually, I have faith in them. A few recent developments for those still catching up, DrParnassus is an angry guy, Promato's disappearance looking fishy, and ObliviousEyes coming to our defense somewhat. Oh, but those aren't READS, Wave. We might make someone angry! Too true. In that case, having a look at NewbieXXXI_Obs Cutie, despite the fact that he has aggressively been pushing for our lynch, actually looks pretty good right now. Gives analysis on major occurrences including the earlier Day 1 'fight' between Parnassus and Moology, and calls out his current scummy looking targets. Parnassus, on the other hand, accuses us of shit-flinging yet directly after this he flings his own at other members of the thread, including a post meaning to 'direct our attention' to WittyHydraName. No support, no real purpose. Fivetouch makes some comment which Parnassus immediately +1s. If I didn't know better I would think the earlier shit-flinging fight Parnassus had with Moology was specifically staged to make the both of them look town, which most people seem to suspect of them. Since our vote is still on Moology right now, I think it's time to hear from the experts' desk; we're going to pass it off to Moology. Moology, any thoughts regarding your performance last night, or the current voting trends? you keep placing a shit-ton of significance on the early fight, even to the point of implying that that argument is where everyone should be looking at. yet your own analysis of the argument is severely lacking in subjective, opinionated statements. everyone else has moved on, why can't you? either give us your fucking reads or be done with it. Here is how I'd categorize your play thus far: Either one of two things.... objective, useless commentary.... or irresponsible shit-flinging. neither of those = scumhunting. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Well Soniv it's coming down to the halfway point of Day 1 and what have we got to show for it? Honestly it doesn't seem much, Wave. The town has seemingly decided between voting for who annoys them the most; either us for 'casting style' and perceived inactivity and lack of giving them the precise analyses they want, or Dirk Hardpec for doing...well...nothing! I don't know about you, Wave, but this doesn't seem like a town who is keen to scumhunt to me, rather they're quick to jump on easy sheep targets for simple reasons. You say this, and you do nothing to change it. You are a fucking disgrace to this town and I hope you will shape up or just stay scummy. Too true. In that case, having a look at NewbieXXXI_Obs Cutie, despite the fact that he has aggressively been pushing for our lynch, actually looks pretty good right now. Gives analysis on major occurrences including the earlier Day 1 'fight' between Parnassus and Moology, and calls out his current scummy looking targets This is not a read. This is a summary. It doesnt explain anything past 'he looks good' Good as in town? Or good as in faking town? Or what? I have no idea what you are thinking and this bothers me Parnassus, on the other hand, accuses us of shit-flinging yet directly after this he flings his own at other members of the thread, including a post meaning to 'direct our attention' to WittyHydraName. No support, no real purpose. Fivetouch makes some comment which Parnassus immediately +1s. If I didn't know better I would think the earlier shit-flinging fight Parnassus had with Moology was specifically staged to make the both of them look town, which most people seem to suspect of them. Since our vote is still on Moology right now, I think it's time to hear from the experts' desk; we're going to pass it off to Moology. What a horrible conspiracy theory out of NOWHERE. Again, just a summary. I dont see your opinions, I dont see any thinking at all. Just a bunch of random thoughts thrown out there to get a bite. What the fuck. Play the game. Or die. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:12 FiveTouch wrote: how about you go screw yourself? ![]() I'm playing perfectly seriously. I'm voting for a player who has said previously that he likes to troll as mafia, and all he has done so far is troll. This is absolutely the most compelling evidence of anyone in the thread so far. ~marv i don't disagree with that. however, taking that stance is fucking boring and non-productive, which is what I meant by saying that you're not taking this seriously. we can policy lynch bugs but in the meantime i'd prefer to talk about things with more substance. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:27 FiveTouch wrote: why are you saying it's a policy lynch? that's blatantly false. there's no policy to lynch bugs when he trolls, i'm lynching bugs because he's told me he likes to troll when he's mafia. simple. lynching mafia is never boring and non-productive. my only task here is to lynch mafia. what would you like to talk to me about? ~marv ~marv well it's still boring ![]() do you not remember lviii? do you not remember certain strong personalities clashing and playing anti-town just to spite each other? you're treating this issue so simplistically, when there are good reasons for why both of you might be town and are interacting how you're interacting | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:33 FiveTouch wrote: This isn't LVIII, this is bugs. There are good reasons bugs is town? Please enlighten me. cos he's an ass? | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:12 DrParnassus wrote: also, the snarfs/adam combo is going by almost completely unnoticed. so, consider yourselves noticed On March 14 2013 03:49 DrParnassus wrote: hapa you have no idea how happy i am that you finally posted. i have like 3/4 scumreads but each of my scumreads somewhat contradicts the others. right now, I think something like a wittyhyrdaname + castinggolem combo makes a lot of sense. if those two are scum, everything else in the thread can be easily explained by townies being emotional and/or egotistical. i've already said why i think the castinggolem is red... i pick wittyhydraname because of how well they've managed to not get involved in any of the shit flinging thus far -tom waits more reasons: As I've said before this game reminds me of LVIII. IN general scum will avoid the spotlight if possible, and this is even more true in games where people yell and scream at each other. I know this from first hand experience, lol. Wittyname fits that bill. One of the only things in his filter his is focus on my page 1 vote for moology.... that's not something that any respectable scum hunter would choose to focus on. | ||
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On March 14 2013 07:06 Dirk Hardpec wrote: You seem to be pretty adamant about getting upset this game marv. Right from the first post you made, you set yourself up to be angry at something. You've been trying to get into confrontations with just about everyone. Are you pretending to be annoyed at something in the game or is this genuine? Is your vote against us/Bugs an honest one? Do you think the way he posted makes us likely to be scum? What is your motivation with this? /syllo On March 14 2013 07:08 Dirk Hardpec wrote: sup neebs. I haven't checked my role PM nor do I plan on it. Fuck talking to wbg, he's just a liability. /Palmar is this two different people? is syllo actually in this game? what is going on? | ||
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Palmar has claimed to not have read his role pm. (assume you believe he's telling the truth) Should he read his role pm? | ||
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On March 14 2013 09:56 Moology wrote: Well I think he should (if he hasnt) We are also approaching the game different; not reading the role PM isnt an excuse to troll the thread Not sure if its lynchable based on the "event". It would be lynchable if followed up with zero scum hunting. (moc) the difference in approach doesn't matter. if someone claims that they haven't read their role pm, you have only 2 options: 1. don't believe them 2. believe them, and don't take anything they say as alignment indicative If player X doesn't know his alignment then it will be impossible for you to determine player x's alignment. (outside of eventual process of elimination) Everything that person says is said from a townie perspective, because even if they are scum, they don't know alignments. Therefore, not reading your role pm is deliberately anti-town because it makes you unreadable. Marv's vote was justified, insofar as it pressures you to read your role pm. btw nearly everything in the last few hours has been thrawn. once oats comes back i'll start signing posts | ||
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On March 14 2013 10:31 Moology wrote: yeah however, I thought we were targeting different things - maybe not?. Regardless I only played with a town marv (and its not matching up well so far) Not sure how much that applies here. When the first yelling & screaming was happening; no one else was online (apparently). Also: Guys like Marv/Bugs cant afford to drop activity if scum. So they need some spotlight shed on them regardless of alignment. The guys I am aware who avoid the spotlight as scum = Snarfs, Oats, I assume jcarlsoniv. I think it is a perfect description of what's going on. Lets go back in time to when both of us hated each other. Imagine that both of us are townies. Now, enter scum player, stage left. He has to contribute... but how to contribute in such a hostile environment? The two of us were yelling at each other, if the scum player is to pick a side (me or you) he's going to come under a lot of pressure from the guy he didn't align himself with..... so he's going to say something that goes along with thread sentiment. Here is snarf's first post: On March 13 2013 16:29 Snarfs wrote: Don't like NewbieXXXI_ObsQT. He just points out random crap that "could be scummy" and waits for others to chime in on it. Also DrParnassus, why are CastingGolems scum? Can you not think of any town reason for doing what they are doing? - S-head. This comes directly after our argument, and directly after both myself and the OO account called out iamp. Notice that he goes along with the thread sentiment about iamp, and neglects to comment on the issue between you/me. That's like, textbook scumplay. He's avoiding conflict and going along with status quo. The only other contribution from the wittyname filter is this: On March 13 2013 20:11 WittyHydraName wrote: Oats/Thrawn, whoever threw down the vote on Golems My other head asked you a question at the top of this page: Otherwise, VE, you seem to be making sense. Is this the game we we're dreaming about in the Hero mafia scum QT where we both roll town? In that post you were asking if one hydra head was asking for an opinion from the other head, he wasnt. He was asking for your opinion on his case on mocsta (OE is you.) -buddies VE -takes a completely neutral stance about CastingGolem. He questions me for my vote, and asks if I can't "think of any town reason for doing what they are doing?" Seriously? That is scumhunting? | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:12 Moology wrote: OK, well he given some pointers on what is a scum marv i.e. shits up thread; happy to sit back.. so I will keep an eye out for that. Want to def see more from the castinggolems + WittyName scum marv is marv that is still alive at mylo. no wifom, no exceptions. other than that, hapa has caught scum marv before so you should be asking him these questions | ||
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But whatever, I have a town read on marv and therefore on you as well so I'm not really interested in the conversation | ||
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So yeah, I am going to follow it up." hahahahahahahahaha | ||
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On March 14 2013 16:29 Dirk Hardpec wrote: What little contributions they've made have been completely and utterly pointless. I feel better about him being scum than just about anyone else in the game. Sheep. At least say that you are sheeping :/ Have you read your role pm yet? | ||
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Why is marv scum? You could be scum and you WOULDNT KNOW, you should check at least. it would be embarrassing if you mislynched marv would it. Or why is keirathi scum. Or why is Fivetouch scum? Oats | ||
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Unusually quick to get into fights is rather subjective I think, so what else makes marv scum? Because he thinks you are scum? Or? /oats | ||
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Ok other than marv since you dont want to talk about him, anyone else is scum? Other than wittyhydra | ||
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On March 14 2013 20:11 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Well no. Basic math would imply if we think both are scum, no one else is. That works. Come on, say something that Marv has to defend. Marv is scum is not it. | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:12 ObliviousEyes wrote: Okay so I woke up, saw Dirk spamming some more, and decided that yeah, I think I wanna kill it. He's actively trying to keep us from scumhunting. ACTIVELY. There's purpose in the way he's posting, and it's not a town purpose. The way I see it is: do we lynch a lurker with literally nothing relevant in his filter? Or do we lynch someone who is actively not trying to find scum? Again he makes it seem as though he thinks marv is scum, and again has failed to provide any kind of reasoning beyond "he's a big ol' meanie". If his spam "marv is scum" post can be believed, he seems to think marv is scum. So why not try and get marv lynched? Both Bugs AND Palmar (AND syllo if he's all up in there too) know that "marv is scum" isn't going to sway anyone. Kill Dirk. He gots to be scum yo. adam/snarfs is scum. this cannot be disputed. why are you trying to dispute it? -hungover thrawn | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:12 ObliviousEyes wrote: Okay so I woke up, saw Dirk spamming some more, and decided that yeah, I think I wanna kill it. He's actively trying to keep us from scumhunting. ACTIVELY. There's purpose in the way he's posting, and it's not a town purpose. The way I see it is: do we lynch a lurker with literally nothing relevant in his filter? Or do we lynch someone who is actively not trying to find scum? Again he makes it seem as though he thinks marv is scum, and again has failed to provide any kind of reasoning beyond "he's a big ol' meanie". If his spam "marv is scum" post can be believed, he seems to think marv is scum. So why not try and get marv lynched? Both Bugs AND Palmar (AND syllo if he's all up in there too) know that "marv is scum" isn't going to sway anyone. Kill Dirk. He gots to be scum yo. -wittyhydraname has nothing relevant in his filter I strongly disagree with this. Imo it's not just a lurker lynch. There are good reasons outside of the lurking for why they're scum. See this post. -we should lynch the person who isn't trying to find scum and wittyhydraname is trying to find scum? despite how shitty the effort has been, dirk has still made more of an effort to "make a case" than wittyname has. The case may be lacking in content, extremely focused on 1 particular aspect of marv's play, and all around silly.... but it's still much more than wittyname has provided, which is nothing. | ||
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On March 15 2013 05:52 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: But yah, Witty dies today. Then one of Caster/Dirk tomorrow (I'd prefer Caster). Then the other. Then sweet victory. ~Hapa r u scum? you really can't see anyone being scum other than those two? | ||
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On March 15 2013 06:43 TLCastingGolems wrote: Newbie doubts our absence, Wave! I'm not sure what to tell him. Call it coincidence or just plain unlucky, but we both had a bunch of crap going on, and neither of us could get to a computer. If he wants to look back at Mafia LX, he can see that your schedule, Soniv, can be quite restrictive at times. Mine generally isn't too bad, but that doesn't take the business factor of my life out of it. He also says we shouldn't "game absences". I don't really know where he's going with that. I assume that he means we shouldn't try to take advantage of a Witty modkill. I don't quite understand why though, so maybe he can explain it for us a bit better. As for Moology, I would say he's somewhat null leaning red right now. Can you explain for our viewers why, Wave? I would love to! Through reading, there was one post that jumped out at us. **INSTANT REPLAY + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 08:35 Moology wrote: Guys Moc is back. I pretty pissed Omni hasnt shown his face at all. Considering Drik Hardpec might be 1 man up with Syllo; I am happy to take a replacement out of Palmar, Bugs, Syllo ![]() ============== I really don't like this post from TLCastingGolems (but will oblige) Current voting trends looks like everyone is feeling each other out. Hardpec definitely comes across as trolling And Prome is giving us early promises of low activity (I am in the same boat as him.. but still making an effort) Snarfs/Adams have flown under the radar for me; if they dont contribute by closer to lynch will prob vote them. - Especially because they dont have multiple ongoing games to hide behind. Otherwise for today I am stuck between the trolling of hardpec and aggressiveness of Marv. Marv normally tries to exert himself as town leader, and is actively trying to walk through with people his thought process. This marv is setting up a dictatorship of no tolerance.. and its a marv i havnt seen before. (Kei done fuck all from what I read) ##Unvote I want to discuss the situation with my other head before issuing a vote with intent to lynch. If Omni is not present in the next 8-10hrs, I will make the decision for him. ==================== The reason I dont like the post above, is because ONCE AGAIN, the castingteam summarise the situation and when it comes to the meat and veg, they pass it off to someone else. Yes, teh flavour is cute, but the strategy is preventing them from being accountable I am actually surprised Promato was supportive of this (justifying them as newbies not expected to contribute).. thats bullshit.You sign up with the big boys, your contributions are just as expected. I dont want to be stuck at LYLO with another "Grush57". (moc) Well, looking through again, he called out a few players who dislike the limelight as a scum player. He called me out, but I'm not really sure why. I haven't played scum in probably over a year, and even at that, I've only been scum maybe two or three times. So I'm not really sure where he was going at that (again, maybe just sowing seeds to discredit), and I'd like some clarity on that. who wrote this post? one of you? both? | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:00 FiveTouch wrote: I honestly don't have any trouble following his posts. And I enjoy the roleplaying in general. I just don't feel like they've added much because they've been too focused on their "style" rather than playing mafia. ~Keir the problem is that there are things that I would interpret differently depending on who wrote it. they are co-authoring each post or something... yet there are even posts that look like they've been co-authored, but I actually suspect that one person wrote the post attempting to make it look co-authored. all in all there's just no reason for it other than humor, but that effect has already worn off. now it's just frustrating | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:08 TLCastingGolems wrote: Some people are growing frustrated while others enjoy the flavor. Just goes to show that you can't please everyone, Soniv! Indeed that's the case, and I say "tough cookies!" Newbie has still yet to explain why it would be a poor idea to take advantage of someone most everyone sees being scummy being modkilled, or "gaming the absence" as he says. how many games have you played where a player gets modkilled on D1 for not voting.... it rarely happens. we have no possible way of knowing what the mods will do so if we think he's scum then we should lynch him.... it seems like you're being intentionally thick about this point | ||
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![]() ![]() ![]() let this D1 lynch be a lesson to any of the other lurkers who may be town | ||
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Like you are flipflopping throughout the whole thing. Why not filter VE/OO if you intend on posting a list of reads of all the players? | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? | ||
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i have a mildly strong town read on hapa and a strong scum read on iamp so there's that -bionic vapor boy | ||
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WHY MUST YOU ANSWER!! /oats | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:34 FiveTouch wrote: Well, I dont think that being spammy in itself is a town tell, but I do think Hapa has been decently interested in the game, and giving some useful insights. I was kind of like Throats, leaning town on Hapa, leaning scum on iamp. But the WIFOMy iamp thing is enough that I'm pretty okay with them for now. Now, what does that mean about the big case from Golems about ObsQT? nothing, becuase hapa/iamp are unflipped? castinggolems #1 townread btw -tom waits | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:18 Promato wrote: I just reread that filter, and it's Hapa who is being active, not iamp. I really don't feel like they're worth pursuing any longer. Hapa does not look disinterested, despite the low activity. Compared to some, he is kind of spammy actually. So who is scum then? Since your top scum read isnt actually scum anymore? | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:29 Promato wrote: Plus I fucking abhor policy shit like this, and when it comes from VE, I hate it even more. you're so silly, that was a response to a question that YOUR fucking partner asked | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:29 Promato wrote: Filtering VE/OO, and this quote looks particularly bad. Summary of their filter is: -Criticise Casting Golems/Call them mafia offhandedly -Talk about Dirk like it's going to change anything -Make this horrid post So as for difficulty of targets picked, this hydra gets a zero. I don't even know their reads on anyone else in the game, to be honest. Plus I fucking abhor policy shit like this, and when it comes from VE, I hate it even more. [/QUOTE] This isnt an analysis, this is shitting on VE. How is any of this scummy? Going after 'easy' targets isnt scummy cause they are PROBABLY scum anyway. This is a decent post about his thought process regarding named vts. I was struggling with it cause I dont like claiming but it made sense. /oats | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:47 FiveTouch wrote: Do explain why they are your #1 town read though, plx. well I admit that I only have 1 reason why I think they are town, however I think it's a good one... it's the type of reason which, if I were to divulge the logic behind it, the reasoning would suddenly stop being applicable going forwards. -tom waits | ||
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On March 15 2013 16:44 Moology wrote: While I do agree that Newbie exhibits some scummy characteristics that have already been pointed out I would argue that Newbie is not the scummiest player in this game. One player has consistently avoided giving any relevant information and I would even consider him to be intentionally trying to muck up the thread with his useless posts. This is wonderful. The only people who know who is town and who is scum ARE the scum. Unintentional slip while trying to be funny? This is needless. How does this help town at all? All it does is aggravate people. More scummy crap to try and distract us. This seems to be a theme in his posting. Absolutely no care about who is being lynched. More proof of not caring about who gets lynched. What I can gather from it all is that he doesn't care who gets lynched. Isn't interested in helping town Isn't interested in scum hunting, and ultimately doesn't care about contributing at all. As much as I think Newbie looks suspect at the moment, there were some posts in his filter that I can see coming from a town oriented mind set. With Dirk I can't find that at all. All I can see is an extremely disruptive scum, Not even clever scum, attempting to muck up the thread with his useless posts. I can see no benefit for town to keep him with us for another day/night. Nor can I see a reason at all that we should let him survive and continue to make a mess of things for us. It is the same argument that was used to lynch Witty over Dirk. One of them has the potential to help town, while the other has done absolutely nothing. As evident during the lynch deadline, it is clear Dirk doesn't care about who gets lynched. Not only that, but they managed to not give a shit jumping on board a mislynch WHILE not telling us about any other reads. Lets say, Dirk is intentionally trolling, and those posts that you have quoted are meant by Dirk to look fucking bad. Does that still make him scum? | ||
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On March 15 2013 17:21 Moology wrote: (moc) Hold on a second there.. You admit he looks terribad... so why are you sticking up for Dirk instead of letting them speak? I thought your other half said you guys would be quiet for the cycle? Since you asked the question; I didnt think the trolilng by itself made Dirk scum. What OE walked me through was his thoughts on the lynch deadline specifically the Dirk "throw-away" vote. So I agree with OE; the combination of: trolling, lack of genuine reads, and lack of care regarding final vote; does point towards scum motives. I would have loved to extract more information from them to develop the read further; but first, we need to stop replying on their behalf. Ok. His trolling INCLUDES the lack of reads, and the lack of care. Dont you think that marv or someone else wouldve picked up on this earlier, if it wasnt obvious that Dirk is playing like out scum and that its just a joke? Or do you think that you stumbled upon scum that no one suspected? | ||
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On March 15 2013 17:27 Moology wrote: EBWOP First, we need *YOU* to stop replying on their behalf. (moc) @ ThrOats Why are you telling me how to play? Do you think that the stuff I brought up is inaccurate and subjective? Or you just cant wrap your head around the fact that he is trolling, and you guys made a lol post. /oats(this one and the one above) | ||
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On March 15 2013 17:21 Moology wrote: I thought your other half said you guys would be quiet for the cycle? That was thrawn who said that and I think it's stupid and I'm not going to go along with it /oats | ||
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On March 15 2013 17:36 Moology wrote: (moc) When I or my other slot puts pressure on someone.. and you step in and cock block.. yes.. im gonna tell you how to play - every... single... time You are stopping us from developing our reads and for what purpose? If you have a strong town read on the guy; then pipe up and notify why. Otherwise, stay out of it and develop your read from the "supposed interaction" In the opinion of OE, and myself: The behaviour of Dirk has gone beyond trolling and is now anti-town. Where is a single fuckn read other than a spam of "Marv is scum" Where is a care given into figuring out this game. Fact: Nomination Mafia, Palmar trolled in a different way to this game. And when he came into the thread, within 2 or 3 posts it was CLEAR he was town. We all know he can be town if he wants to.... and so far.. their play is suspect. Oats: If I didnt have a town read on you, I woulda thought you are pre-empting pressure on a buddy. Yeah no im not pre-empting pressure. I am destroying a stupid case. If you want to make a post on why his trolling is scummy, then go ahead. But that case you made is not about Dirk trolling, its about the posts that he INTENTIONALLY put in the game in order to troll. That isnt alignment indicative. He appears to not care cause trolling, no reads cause trolling. However, if you think that his trolling is SCUMMY, and why, then I wont destroy it and I will let dirk answer. Before that, no, just no. /oats | ||
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I think thrawn wants to lynch dirk tomorrow based an conversation I had with him if that makes you feel any better... As for why I cock-blocked you, I just can't quit you man /oats | ||
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So are you gonna make a new case? Or not? Ok do you have a second scum read? | ||
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You know, the way jake gyllenhaal wishes he could quit heath ledger. + Show Spoiler [maybe this will clear things up] + ![]() The point is, lets put this argument to rest and argue about more meaningful things /oats | ||
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On March 15 2013 18:37 Moology wrote: Now thats me making a Hardpec style post Now if anyone tries to call me scummy for that.. i expect you to jump in and defend my honour by saying that their qutoe is bullshit, because everytime they comment on someone acting scummy a CASE IS REQUIRED (moc) No im confused. I responded and then you went silent, I dont really care that you were trolling. Come on talk to me. Other reads? /oats | ||
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I didnt cockblock you. You posted a fallacious case from the get-go. It didnt make sense, and the stuff you brought up, was so obvious a blind man could see it. What do you think about EVERYONE ignoring the fact that Dirk is so 'scummy'? Do you, or do you not agree with the fact that if Dirk wanted to be called scum, he would play in the exact same way? What do you think it means about Dirk, or about certain other people. If marv said what I said, would you react in the same way? | ||
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On March 15 2013 18:52 Moology wrote: Its called. I just got home and now im about to head out Omni, should be available before deadline if you want something specific (moc) Its called you had time to make a stupid post and no time, like 2 minutes more to post something regarding my observations of Dirk. Lol. /oats(here and above) | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:05 FiveTouch wrote: fine, I'll be serious for a moment, even though I think you're hilarious. 1) what you're describing isn't my lazy scumplay, it's an outright slip. Even in my 'lazy' scumgames I don't outright slip. I'm too good, too meticulous. You know this. 2) Given the flip, and the play apart from it, it seems pretty likely to me that Dirk is mafia, so looking at who helped moved the lynch from Dirk to Witty makes sense. ~marv The lynch on Dirk was pure OMGUS, in terms of you are lynching Dirk for being bad. Seriously do you dont agree with the fact that Dirk is playing like an outed scum? Why would he do that as scum? | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:16 FiveTouch wrote: Why would he do that as town? Why would he say he expected Witty to flip town, and if this is the case why didn't he look for a mafia to lynch? this is thrawn and I agree with this. NOONE should have thought wittyname was going to flip town. that mindset is so incompatible with a townie's reality that it almost guarantees dirk's guilt i expect oats and myself will be fighting over this but whatever. besides all that, we only have 2 mislynches before game over and there is no way that we're letting dirk survive till endgame @hapa, i'd really like to see more out of you because every time iamp opens his mouth I want to lynch you guys. that last case he made rings incredibly false in my poor hungover ears IAMP WHY SO SRS? | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:30 DrParnassus wrote: hey bro how does it feel to be the wagon of justice well now he's run off again this iamp has no balls, lets lynch him after dirk -t | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:01 FiveTouch wrote: I'm quite sceptical that iamp is mafia. His case is stupid but it doesn't make him mafia. ~marv it's not really his case, I actually agree with some of the points he brings up. it's the manner in which the case is written, and how fast he slunk away after you yelled at him Whenever the question of iamp's alignment is brought up in other games (where he is town) everyone is quick to scream "NO IAMP IS AN INNOCENT CHILD!" Do you see anything about his play in this game that reminds you of his near-mod-confirmed town status in other games? t | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:23 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: because you have no idea what your talking about how does me making a case on marv make me mafia dear. it doesn't. the way you're playing this game does. you have done fuck all so far and you come across like a grumpy old fart as opposed to your usual angelic childlike appearance | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote: Which is why we asked the mods if he would be modkilled. Modkills are always unfortunate, but I don't get why town would be content with letting their KP be diminished by having their target die to something out of their control and waste the days lynch. But I'm clearly not seeing something that everyone else is. -S4 Yeah you play the game, assuming that the hosts dont do shit beside resolving night actions and posting day/night posts. Everything else shouldnt even be speculated about. Like modkills. | ||
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TLCastingGolems This is without a doubt, my strongest town read in the game. No doubts about it. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. I don't particularly care to explain exactly why I feel this way, but rest assured that the reasoning is rock-solid. I'll give you a hint... put yourself in their position and assume you're town. Do the same thing, but assume you're scum. I say that the town option is the only sensible option for this hydra. DO NOT LYNCH. PLEASE! This is without a doubt, my strongest town read in the game. No doubts about it. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. I'll give you a hint... put yourself in their position and assume you're town. Do the same thing, but assume you're scum. I say that the town option is the only sensible option for this hydra. DO NOT LYNCH. PLEASE! This is without a doubt, my strongest town read in the game. No doubts about it. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. I say that the town option is the only sensible option for this hydra. DO NOT LYNCH. PLEASE! DO NOT LYNCH! Moology I can't imagine Moology being scum considering how they've handled the immense amount of stupidity that both myself and Oats have thrown their way. This is another person that I advise you to NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH THIS HYDRA! WEAK TOWN READS Promato I loathe their lurky play thus far however I think they are town, and I'm fairly confident about this read. Yamato's push on the VE/OO hydra last night felt genuine. I haven't liked prom's play, but I haven't liked it in the way that I often don't like his play when I've mistakenly called him scum in the past. Pressure the hell out of these two, especially yamato, but don't lynch them D2. ObliviousEyes Meh. I had a town read on VE for almost all of D1. His voting actions suggest that we don't need to worry about him for now. The only problem with this read is that he's dropped off the face of the earth since N1 started, and Obvious' posts have felt a little off every now and then. I would definitely NOT lynch this hydra D2, but like the promato pair, these guys need to be pressured.... especially VE. It shouldn't be too difficult to figure out VE's alignment. (try to get him emotionally involved and see what happens. as town he'll froth at the mouth, as scum he'll fake the same reaction) NULLISH READ FiveTouch This is a difficult one. Keir has been pretty useless, much like he was in dueling mafia where he was scum. What I remember most about his play is him stepping in to defend his other half, marv. However, his manner seems completely different than the meek keir I remember from dueling mafia. When asked if he wanted to duel thrawn, he replied with: "I would be ok with dueling thrawn." That's a fairly good representation of his play in that game. His words had no bite; he didn't seem to care about his opinions at all. That's the opposite of how he's played this game. I don't like his contributions, however this is a game where the average poster only had .94 pages of filter by the D1 lynch deadline. His style of posting in this game suggests that he's town. Then there's marv. I have a town read on marv. Ask me 5 minutes from now, and it might be a scumread. 5 minutes after that, it'll probably be a town read. I'm putting marv at null, but leaning town. SCUM READS NewbieXXXI_ObsQT I have a scumread on thiss'un, but I don't want to lynch it just yet. That spot is reserved for Dirk. But here's why I think this hydra is scum. Iamp: Iamp is sometimes called scummy (by a few) in games where he's town, but despite that he's always a shining beacon of townieness for everyone else. In games where Iamp is town, there is always a bunch of people who have very strong town reads on him. I stand by my earlier comparison, that he's coming across as a grumpy old fart rather than an all but mod confirmed innocent child. He has no agenda this game, he hasn't cared about anything except to "push" the wittyname wagon after everyone had already started doing so. There's none of the playfulness of his town meta, none of his willingness to tell people off to get them to do what he wants. When he's town he doesn't make huge cases and such, but he always cares about the lynch and has a very clear agenda. This game, there is none of that. Hapa: Through D1 I had a town read on hapa at times, but after a recent re-read of his filter I am pretty sure he's scum. I've played several games with hapa and I think I know his town meta by now. Go read the recently finished British Mafia II and contrast that with his play in this game. In this game, he's hardly interacting with the thread. As town, hapa will pursue anything even slightly suspicious until he's confident about his reads. He hasn't been doing that this game. His interest in this game is quite lacking, and for hapa, that's probably the most alignment-indicative thing you can say about him. DirkHardPeck This hydra is scum, and needs to be lynched before anything constructive can happen. The dirk issue needs to be cleared up immediately. I'm a little tempted to push his lynch tomorrow even if he starts acting extremely townie. I get the feeling that the trolling is going to continue. There are also some useful association cases to be made depending on his alignment, so he needs to be flipped ASAP. Regardless of his alignment, the longer he remains in the game, the harder the game will be to read. Even marv has begun making associations cases based on a 'red-dirk' theory. Besides all of that, HE IS SCUM. There's like, no room for debate. He posted this: On March 15 2013 22:15 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Not unexpected but probably for the best as he did not seem to be interested at all in playing the game. Let's check up on things tomorrow and see what has happened. /chaos13 "Not unexpected" is not a phrase a townie would use to describe yesterday's lynch outcome. Only a scum player could have foreseen wittyhyrda flipping town. Don't listen to anything this hyrda says, just lynch him PLZ. LYNCH THIS HYDRA, LYNCH HIM D2. Welp, that's about it. I posted this early because I have shit to do in a couple of hours so I won't be around right at the deadline. I'll be on for a few more hours. I don't particularly expect to be night-killed because there are lots of players in the game who are much better than me, but I wouldn't be surprised by a night-kill cos I'm fairly high on everyone's townie list. Oats isn't gonna be here for the deadline either. He disagrees with me on a lot of stuff but oh well... this is my will, not his. --tom waits | ||
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On March 16 2013 04:57 FiveTouch wrote: I don't really agree with your conclusions. I'll post more later. I've checked the filters I need. ~marv i'm guessing you're gonna call newbieobs town, and probably one of promato/oblivious scum? I have to leave in an hour so get back to me soon | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote: I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus. in that case, please realize that it doesn't come across that way. it comes across as marv being the only one who posts reads. nobody is privy to your and marv's convos | ||
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Moology, TlCasters, FT, OO, Promato, Newbie Obs, Dirk and that's my final answer | ||
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On March 16 2013 06:03 Promato wrote: I'm telling you, VE is mafia He's also all kinds of afk for a while now, which is highly, highly suspicious. His latest post is a defense of himself from my attacks which doesn't even address the strongest point, that VE is obviously willing to consent to lynching with town in ALL OF ONE POST, despite screaming that Dirk is mafia in all of his other posts. It's exactly the same thing I nailed him for day one in Nomination. Stop fucking ignoring it. Is this prom? How are you so fucking sure about VE being mafia when you obviously aren't even making half an effort to play the game? You have like 0 town cred atm. You seem so goddamn sure about this VE read...... but I don't see how you would be able to be so confident if I'm to believe that you are truly an over-burdened townie who cba to play the game imo you and VE are at about the same level of scumminess | ||
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there is no need to state the obvious so if you do, i'll probably just troll in response. this is my real vote for d2 and I don't intend on changing it unless I think scum isn't going to get lynched. | ||
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btw, marv pls don't post again lest you reach the unholy number and doom us all | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:24 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Who is throwing a "hissy-fit"? "Town" isn't throwing one. I'm the only one doing this right now. I'm supporting a calm-collected look at you because of a really strange NK. I think that's completely justified given the situation. Instead you threw your own hissy-fit about the "town" going against you (what?) and left the thread. The fuck? i'm fairly sure that marv is referring to my vote, and my justification for said vote. the good news however, is that now i'm pretty confident about both of you being town after all this. i was very confident about marv being town before, but now i'm almost certain. what happened to you completely agreeing with the case on VE? you're just throwing all that away because of some trivialities concerning palmars history of useful town play or lack thereof? also you say that the night kill is strange WHO IS THE MORE STRANGE SCUM PLAYER, MARV OR VE? i don't see how you're like "I think ve is scum, oh gosh that's a weird nightkill, must be marv instead of VE" imo the choice of nightkills can be figured out... not by stuff like guessing about whether scum is trying to wifom you or not, but just by thinking about which player in the game (if they are scum) is most likely to night kill X player. You recently killed off marv, iamp, then myself in that order probably because we were the people in the game most likely to catch you if you were scum. So in a game where those 3 players get night killed, if hapa is in the game then there's a very good chance that hapa is scum. IMO VE being on the scumteam is the simplest explanation for this game's night kill. | ||
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i think he was trying to goad me on here: On March 15 2013 07:25 ObliviousEyes wrote: YES PLEASE THREATEN RAGEQUIT THAT'S THE FUCKING SPIRIT BITCH like really? that's the type of thought that scum players think when they see a townie talk about ragequitting.... not the type of thing that a townie would say to another townie. and I have NO reason to think that if VE were town, he would've had anything but a town read on me when he said that. also this: On March 13 2013 10:36 ObliviousEyes wrote: Moo you're going to have to stop referencing on-going games or I'm going to be forced to request a modkill. Fair warning. once again, really? VE why so eager to remove players from the game? | ||
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On March 16 2013 08:54 Moology wrote: What the fuck... ##Vote: ObliviousEyes With Dirk's death that really puts me off on calling Newbie scum. He should know that once Dirk is gone he's next in a lot of peoples minds. It doesn't make sense. OE looks like a good candidate and I'm starting to really want to hear from Golems again. firstly, who wrote this post? secondly, how's life aboard the magic school bus? OH MY GOD MOO. You were scum all along weren't you>>> Please get in touch with me asap.... and it needs to be mocsta, not OE. (btw we're still lynching VE, I just want to see where this goes) | ||
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OE are you in here now? did you vote for VE? | ||
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@hapa basically if mocsta was the one who voted VE like that, it would have been a very suspicious post... if you take moc's final will into account. | ||
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and no, you don't seem surprised about that night kill you mentioned something about me self voting and said you'll look into it. lol. please do. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote:TLCastingGolems just for fun eh? | ||
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this is from his most recent post -null read on today's main lynch candidate -thinks i'm scum (or maybe not, he didn't actually give a read) for self voting..... wat -weird development of his read on Newbie (see hapa's above posts) the dumb thing about this is that i don't think i really care too much if VE gets lynched instead, so whatever | ||
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On March 16 2013 14:43 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: What happened to that whole "DON'T LYNCH HIM OMG" thing btw? i was high when i thought of the reasoning for my town read on him. it sounded amazingly perfect, as do all thoughts you have while high | ||
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Hapa and Marv I have VERY strong town reads on. Marv's reaction to my self vote makes him town. Keir's insanity makes him town. Hapa looks very town from about D2 post onwards and I'm willing to chalk up the D1 to the general lazy atmosphere of the thread. Promato is town by association of his earlier case on VE That only leaves moology and TLCG, and after that last post from golems..... it's gotta be golem. yes I'm terribad for everything i've just written, but idc | ||
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On March 16 2013 14:51 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: i feel u bro I hope you will as readily change your mind as on your perma-ban request =( lol, yeah i want to stay but it's just not the best decision. once things are looking up (i.e. i'm going to the college I want to attend, rather than a shitty community college and other similar life goals) that decision may change. maybe like, a year from now or something. mafia just takes up too much time... like look at my filter in this game.... it's ridiculous. i'm not necessarily talking about the quantity of posts, but rather how out my posting is spread out throughout all hours of the day. i have no self control when it comes to these addicting types of things so requesting the perma-ban is just the best option /off-topic | ||
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On March 16 2013 14:59 Promato wrote: It would be a horrendously stupid thing for scum Golems to come in with an opinion contrary to the thread sentiment regarding VE at this time, but I've seen scum be worse with this kind of thing. well yeah, but a null read? you don't even need to make an association case based on VE to make that point. VE is the main lynch candidate... and the best golem's got for us is a null read on VE, some half-baked comment about my self-vote, and that weak case on mr. townie hapa? | ||
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I probably shoulda used a nicer word and one that actually described what I meant | ||
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On March 16 2013 15:33 TLCastingGolems wrote: You're not going to get anything of the sort. The whole point of this being a Hydra mafia game is that it's a two person TEAM against other two person TEAMS. I believe I pointed that out before. You're welcome to try and get your reads based on my posts v. Soniv's or marv's vs Keirathi's. But you'll have to take them with a grain of salt every time because there is always going to be collaboration. That's the name of the game. PS. It was more than a 'derp' moment and I'm not proud of it. I'm willing to accept that it looked scummy as all fuck and have you vote for us and move on and the help the rest of town that may not be completely fixated on us. Or you mislynch us anyway and maybe you can actually get something useful from it. There is no constructed bullshit; I'm saying what I feel and that's all there is to it. ok well if you want to remedy your situation... then quick, who is scum? you should have at least 2 candidates in mind. you've already admitted that the hapa scum read is complete BS, so i don't want to hear that again | ||
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On March 16 2013 15:53 TLCastingGolems wrote: Alright, fair points I suppose. It's funny, but if you want to call the way we've been playing so far retreating into a shell, it arguably worked better for us than saying what I think, considering how much I fucking blew it. I can't say for certain you'll get what you want tomorrow, but you'll get something at least. I really don't see myself not lynching you when you say things like that | ||
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On March 16 2013 18:47 ObliviousEyes wrote: Like seriously, where did this concept that VE is mafia come from in the context of soft-pushing town. It's called consolidation. I see you shit on him for following up on a point your hydra brought up before as part of your case, nice job on that one. Do you mean he was soft-pushing WittyHydraName? I'm simply not following your argument and it looks scummy to me to jump from A to F without literally connecting the dots. Saying that he is willing to consolidate was his way of agreeing that WittyHydra was probably scum as well. So far I see a flimsy basis to start yourself in a VE-is-scum read of attacking a natural part of the conversation in the thread. Then you're saying you definitely know he's scum because of the way he's pushing something that is completely rational. What the hell? I'm not buying. -OO ##Vote: Promato OMGUS. Why is Promato really scum? Is it just cause he voted for you? Or are there other reasons? | ||
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Unfortunately with no counterclaims at the moment, I assume you are town. How does this affect our plans to lynch VE/OO? /oats | ||
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you did commit to saying VE is scum. but NOWHERE in that post did I get the feeling that you're even remotely interested in talking in depth about anyone else's filter. also, i'm having a hard time buying that you have absolutely NO guesses as to who could be scum outside of VE. just take your time and then come back once you can present something worth talking about. there was no substance to that list, you gave us literally nothing to argue about | ||
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OK, let's assume golems is town and VE is scum. The quoted sentence doesn't make any sense under that assumption. Why would scum VE run away when people start talking about town Golems? Golems, explain why a scum VE would always avoid talking about you. That quote strongly condemns both of you. It's like you're trying to get away with bussing VE, but your accusation of VE is based on your knowledge that both of you are mafia. | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:43 TLCastingGolems wrote: Alright ladies and gents, I'm out. Note OE still hasn't shown up and we've heard nothing from him about what HE thinks of us. who do you want to lynch | ||
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##unvote ##Vote:TlCastingGolems all the stars have aligned. it is widely accepted that OO is likely to flip scum. OO is voting promato. TLCG is acting like OO is a good lynch, but is spending most of his time pushing promato and declining to vote for either of them. i'm not sure how much more usefulconversation can be had until either 1 of two things happens.... VE comes back, or TLCG actually starts pushing a lynch | ||
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On March 17 2013 06:25 Moology wrote: Give me 10~ minutes and I'll make some time to post. I also think lynching Golems over OE is a dumb idea... I'm not sure why that is even a topic when you are 100% sure of OE and still think there are other scum candidates other than Golems. I want to lynch scum, not maybe get his scum buddy based on some association of bussing before OE flips. I think you are putting the cart before the horse when talking about lynching Golems or anybody other than OE today. there's much, much more to it than association based on VE -VE's alignment doesn't matter. red/green, TLCG looks bad either way by virtue of how carefully they're approaching talking about VE -the bizzare push on Newbie. most of the original case was based on the idea that dirk is red. after the flip, TLCG still wanted hapa to respond to the case.... after dirk had flipped green -the blue claim is all kinds of strange -there are also very strange posts where the wording they use is just... weird. "mental reevaluation," "didn't notice any breadcrumbs," just weird things to say. lots of them have been brought up over the last few pages -their insistence that they need to confer before being able to share ideas to the thread. they are acting like they need each other's permission to post... ya know, just so they don't scumslip or something -what are they currently doing? they're blowing a lot of smoke about promato, while maintaining the VE is prob a good lynch but they really aren't pushing either lynch. It looks like they're trying to figure out which wagon they should join | ||
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It looks like this OO lynch is what's going down no matter what, considering how both the people voting for the golems ALSO want OO to die. Is there anyone on the OO wagon that would be opposed to a golem lynch? I still feel like that hasn't been enough conversation about OO and people like Moology are voting OO without putting enough of an effort in to make their own reads. I'm not concerned in the slightest about hapa being scum. The way he has played D2 perfectly matches his town play. Marv/keri I have NO doubts about either, which is mostly due to keir's D2 posting. Both of these hydras (newbie/FT) have shown an interest in pursing reads on BOTH of the lynch candidates, without anyone prodding them to do so. The only way I can possibly see myself being suspicious of either of them is if we lynch a townie today. So, two scum left, between OO, TLCG, Moology, and Promato. You all should know that I think both OO and TLCG will flip red. The only other player I can possibly see being red is Moology, because I haven't liked some of their posts today. They've had to be pushed into participating and even after that I still don't feel like they're giving the game the attention it deserves. yeah... i dunno what I'm trying to say... I guess what I'm asking is if everyone is committed to their vote or not. (specifically marv... are you sure you want an OO lynch over a golem lynch?) | ||
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On March 17 2013 10:10 FiveTouch wrote: I haven't talked to marv since he hasn't been around today, but I think it would be dumb to lynch Golems first. I would rather not lynch a claimed jailkeeper over a VE that I'm pretty sure is scum. Who knows what will happen with night actions. see the thing about that... hmmm..... lets just say I have my doubts about their claim lol. more on that later. + Show Spoiler + not really, that was a 'joke' blue slip. but imo what I just did (no matter how shitty a claim it'd be if it were real) is 10x more convincing than how they claimed, even if you discount your town read on me. imo their claim actually is part of the case against them. they said it was a blue slip, yeah sure.... I don't buy that at all. the post where he "slipped" seems like bullying, or threatening us. When townies talk about themselves being mislynch, it's always in a "well once you see that i'm town you'll know who the scum are." Like, they are in martyr mode. But TLCG's post came across as "oh yeah? well you better not lynch me, cuz i'll flip blue and you'll be sorry." On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote: Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 That post come across as INTIMIDATION. He was trying to claim blue to scare us. It was not a 'blue slip' | ||
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The claim would be more convincing if they had not said it was an accidental slip. The tone of the claim post is clearly something like "DON'T LYNCH ME I'M A POWER ROLE YOU ASSHOLE." Which means the blue claim was intentional, and not a slip. Which means that they're lying about how the claim occurred, which imo was caused by them seeing iamp's negative reaction to the claim. | ||
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On March 17 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote: Idunno. I mean he's scum for a lot of other reasons, but I can totally see a blue-role doing that. On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote: Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? do you think this looks like a follow up post for somebody who accidentally blue-slipped? where is the emotion, the "oh shit i dun goofed" ? | ||
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@everyone else: this is not an "association with unflipped VE" case. this is a "golems is faking his scumreads and his vote" case | ||
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once again, I am not advocating an association lynch. ve could be green as hell and tlgolem would still be scum | ||
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i really wanna hear what marv thinks about the golems | ||
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1: You asked one of your townreads (FT) for his read on one of your other townreads (M) 2: You're scum, trying to see if there's any room to mislynch moology 2 way more likely imo | ||
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##unvote ##Vote:DrParnassus Actually, the idea of promato/OO scumteam has crossed my mind. If those two are scum, it would be an excellent ploy. It's worrying that prom isn't playing the game at all, and the only significant thing yamato has done was pushing the case on VE. I am intrigued, and for once you are posting shit that looks like actual reads, so pls continue. You're still leagues and leagues ahead of promato/moology in terms of how much I want to lynch you (those two are the only players apart from you and VE that I can imagine being scum) but that last post, if you're town, was a step in the right direction. | ||
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imo the only possible 2nd scum candidate HAS to come from the golem/promato/moology group. There are things about all of them that make me unable to give them a 100% town read. Golem, for obvious reasons. For moology, it's how lazy he's been this cycle. For promato, it's how lazy he's been throughout the whole game in regards to everything except his case on VE.... and I've heard how much VE loves to setup insane busses.... hmmmm | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote: Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game? From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling. You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:44 FiveTouch wrote: I'm all for people giving me townreads, but not for terrible reasons. My play in Dueling had much more to do with just flat not having time. But, even more important, I have another scum game that is viewable in my history and has a much different playstyle. eh. the difference is so extreme that i'm willing to stand by that reasoning. i'm not thinking about post quantity, but just things like word usage, mannerisms.... how you talk to your scum reads.... shit like that. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:47 Promato wrote: That's stupid. Judge us by our combined play. Am I really that difficult to read? Am I hard to catch as mafia? Don't be silly and waste your vote. Use your head. Scum is MOST LIKELY in the group I mentioned. People keeping me in the group are doing so unnecessarily. Is it too much to ask that prom show his face? All I said was that prom has to start posting. It's not an intention to lynch, unless prom fails to play the game. I think that's perfectly reasonable. Can you tell me anything about his thoughts on the game? Does he disagree with you about anything? | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:02 FiveTouch wrote: Right. My point was, did you compare my town play to my GSL 1 scum play, or just my Big Enough scum play? Because they are extremely different. (To be perfectly fair, my GSL 1 scum play is still different than my *recent* town play, just because I've gotten more confident/arrogant/comfortable around TL. But, my current town play is quite different from my other town play around the time of GSL 1 too ![]() asdkgasldgn there are other reasons for my read, and i've given them (things like you and hapa being two people who have lept scumhunting and are being open to all possibilities without being pressured to do so) this convo is kinda dumb (we're arguing about how i shouldn't have such a strong town read on you) and i don't really care to expound upon why I feel that you're town atm. tldr: lol | ||
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and with that, i'm done for tonight unless anything interesting happens | ||
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How well does Keir play scum? Not very well right? How well does Hapa play scum? Not very well right? Ok so FT and Newbie are both town. Good. ObliviousEyes has been COMPLETELY ABSENT. Lynch away. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: fivetouch for blatant sheeping also because a vote for myself is a wasted vote... or something | ||
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I am a Veteran. As my name implies, I also happen to be a Doctor. Not only that, but since this is a hydra game, my role counts as 2 Doctors! Isn't that something? I will be protecting both NewbieObs AND Fivetouch, so you cannot shoot any of us. Have fun with that. sincerely, Dr. Parnassus | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:20 FiveTouch wrote: did OE actually put up a fight? I'll be disappointed if it was super easy OO and yamato yelled at each other for a couple hours. other than that, nothing | ||
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unless i'm scum or something | ||
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lets just go along with the plan. i don't think there's much of a need for either newbieobs/FT/myself to really say anything for the rest of the game. everyone else can battle it out to prove who is town. moology/promato/golems are the chosen ones | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:09 FiveTouch wrote: for example why are you saying Promato are battling it out to prove they are town when they put suspicion on OE before I did (even though I thought OE was mafia by then :p) that's the only significant thing he's done the entire game | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:31 Promato wrote: Isn't it fun how Moo is stuck on framing. Because he was on a team with a scum framer and is focusing on that power role. I'm not one to call 'scumslip!' but he is scum slipping hard. if srs, worst post of the game imo | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:23 Moology wrote: Frame moology pl0x Fact is: Both me n Omni have been really busy this game and havent been able to put as much "love" into the game as we hoped. If this JK goes some way towards proving us confirmed town, Im happy to take the RB. I think we can afford 2 or 3 NKs, so it wont be done in vain. huuuuh. You blue or scum? | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:04 Moology wrote: You asking something? Read rhetorical to me? idk, i think oats is being silly. take it up with him /thrawn | ||
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In 5 minutes you better answer whether you are blue or scum. Or I am policy lynching you for withholding information. | ||
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What is that option? | ||
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gnnnh? Explain pl0x | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:20 Moology wrote: 2 words 1st starts with a V 2nd starts with a T fuckn flood cotnrol (moc) Oh but Im not asking you that. I want to know if you are blue or scum. | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:20 Moology wrote: 2 words 1st starts with a V 2nd starts with a T fuckn flood cotnrol (moc) Vet? that's not even in the OP | ||
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