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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
let this D1 lynch be a lesson to any of the other lurkers who may be town | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Boy oh boy and what a Day 1 it has been! The town has mislynched WittyHydraName and I don't feel too good about that at all. Nope, we did suggest the switch onto DirkHardpec with ObliviousEyes but we were too little too late and we have been a little lacking in credibility so far, to be fair Wave. Right you are, Soniv. So how are we going to make up for this leading up to Day 2? Well to begin with, I'd like to call out a couple people based on their recent reads of us. Moology calls our threatened switch onto Hardpec a blatant sheep vote (despite us not voting for him in the end to achieve solidarity with the town) so why don't we provide him with a couple reads? Probably because there's nothing about our primary read that hasn't been said already? Dirk Hardpec blatantly sheeped himself onto the Witty bandwagon without any explanation himself, and then spammed and accused marv/keirathi of being scum, a sentiment we do not agree with at all, right? Not at all, Wave. Fivetouch makes an excellent point here: On March 15 2013 08:06 FiveTouch wrote: Alright. This analysis should be not too hard. Dirk is probably mafia, and whoever distracted us on to Witty is probably mafia. that's my initial feels, may change upon re-read. and along with Dirk being mafia it seems as other people may be coming to the same conclusions as we have regarding the other half of the scumteam. ObliviousEyes, despite your ridiculous continued harping on our perceived lack of contribution, (and the soft newbie claim? wtf? really grasping there.) we do agree with the first part of your post: On March 15 2013 09:30 ObliviousEyes wrote: ObsQT planted and watered it, you (marv half) indulged with sunlight, and then DrParn started selling Witty-flowers on street corners. Actually that whole thing is interesting, look at the timeline from where it starts here. 2 votes within five minutes. Everything there looks all above board on that page, it was a natural extension of the conversation. NewbieXXXXXXOBSQTXXXOOQQE On March 15 2013 05:52 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: But yah, Witty dies today. Then one of Caster/Dirk tomorrow (I'd prefer Caster). Then the other. Then sweet victory. ~Hapa The initiation of a mislynch is an obvious scumtell but not enough on its own. Everyone is allowed to be wrong, right Wave? Of course. Alright. But at the expense of real scumhunting? It's REAL easy to go after all the lurkers/perceived 'obvioius' scum targets. But now consider his own soft defense of himself: On March 15 2013 06:04 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: I mean there literally isn't anything to talk about. I dont' think I've ever been this content with a lynch in a while. There are a bunch of super-scummy lurkers that have no redeeming town qualities. I see no reason to dive into the rest of the population. Another soft defense here, this time of scumbudy, DirkHardpec: On March 15 2013 07:16 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: It's because getting clear answers from you is like pulling teeth. As for "gaming the absence" - I don't like it. For one, everyone needs to be active right at the deadline in the event of a last-minute vote by a scum-member or we waste a day. Secondly, I'm not convinced that Dirk is scum yet. While he once didn't mind our witty antics, look at how he begins to lose his patience with us now that we've begun to catch on. On March 15 2013 06:57 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: ^This x1000000 I appreciate the attempt Caster, but it's just really really annoying past a certain point, especially when it becomes a trouble to read your posts. Isn't the best kind of lying the kind where you tell the truth? Look at this: On March 14 2013 12:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: WittyHydra is likely scum, therefore given a 2-man scum-team, one of the other two is likely not-scum. He is right, of course. Dirk is scum and we are not. This gives him an easy way to slow-bus a teammate without looking directly scummy, especially since Dirk is doing a good job of bussing himself and is bound to be lynched anyway. If Newbie can eliminate all of the easy town lurkers (while likely sacrificing Dirk) the rest of the town would have found it very difficult to catch him if not for his own contradictions letting him down. Why defend someone saying you're not sure if they're scum yet and defend them in what basically amounts to the same breath? Wow, Soniv, that was a mouthful. Let people say what they want about our lack of contribution; we're here to scumhunt and scumhunt we shall. We're fine with DirkHardpec dying tomorrow along with the town sentiment, right? Yup, scum is scum and needs to die. I think the rest of the town needs to have a real close look at Newbie during Day 2 though and maybe if Dirk comes back we can get into their interaction a little more. So town, thoughts? Questions? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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Snarfs
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Promato
92 Posts
What seems obvious to me, as thrawn said himself, is that he is town. Thrawn is not playing anything like his scum meta and all, and obviously cares the most about the game at the moment. I know it's taboo to mention town reads at night, but mafia should just as easily be able to discern his towniness in relation to others, so I'm not worried that I'm giving out wildly shocking analysis here. Throats is probably town. After that... I'm less sure. I feel like the Marv/Keir head is probably town, because aggression is something I do not associate with mafia Keirathi, so that's a point in their favor. Marv's analysis of the Adam/Snarfs hydra was spot on in my opinion, the only thing that made me rethink it was how easily it really did go down. Rarely is a mafia lynch that simple. I have no real reason to suspect them as mafia, BUT IT'S MARV, and he sets off my paranoia-dar in every game, so that's nothing new. Hapa has been oddly quiet. In small minis like this, town Hapa is usually a pretty good driving force for conversation. I might have to give that head a good look very soon, because with the Adam/Snarfs town flip, they do look noticeably worse. Moology is fairly townie. I mentioned earlier that Moc felt off, but they are consistently sharing their thoughts with the thread and being fairly objective since the arguing earlier, so I don't feel especially motivated to filter them extensively any longer. Casting golems are a veritable mystery, but between the two of them I feel like they're the weakest players here, so I give them some more imaginary slack in the way of real reads. That big post above looks decent, and it agrees with my general suspicion of Hapiamp, so I they are currently green to me. Dirk might be mafia after this flip, especially since he only barely managed to shove the lynch onto Snarfs/Adam. Lots of people have said this, but the low hanging fruit is usually a decent place to look for mafia, and they are indeed the lowest. It doesn't help that they seem to be trolling with their post signatures and such. Who else is there, the VE/OO head? I've been ignoring them, to be honest. Gonna filter them and see what I can see. -Yam | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
Like you are flipflopping throughout the whole thing. Why not filter VE/OO if you intend on posting a list of reads of all the players? | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On March 15 2013 14:44 DrParnassus wrote: SO your scumreads are Iamp/Hapa and no one else? What do you think about Iamp, as opposed to hapa? Like you are flipflopping throughout the whole thing. Why not filter VE/OO if you intend on posting a list of reads of all the players? Because I just got home from work and am posting my thoughts about the game that I've had while at work. I think I reach some solid conclusions. You are town. I don't TRULY doubt that Marv/Keir are town, Moo is probably town, despite my initial suspicion. This game, it isn't super black and white like most. I also haven't had nearly the amount of time I would have liked to play it, so there's that. Don't worry, by lynch time day 2, no one will be talking about me. | ||
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Promato
92 Posts
On March 15 2013 14:47 yamato77 wrote: Because I just got home from work and am posting my thoughts about the game that I've had while at work. I think I reach some solid conclusions. You are town. I don't TRULY doubt that Marv/Keir are town, Moo is probably town, despite my initial suspicion. This game, it isn't super black and white like most. I also haven't had nearly the amount of time I would have liked to play it, so there's that. Don't worry, by lynch time day 2, no one will be talking about me. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
How do you feel about iamp saying earlier that as scum he doesn't like to be in the spotlight...then proceeding to stay out of the spotlight for most of the game? | ||
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Promato
92 Posts
Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. No, its not a loaded question. I wanted some actual thoughts about it. Do you think he's been intentionally avoiding the spotlight? He has had flashes of his town arrogance, but for the most part has been quiet. Do you think a scum iamp would basically out himself in the thread like that? I mean, anyone who is familiar with iamp knows that already, but its one thing for everyone to know something, and another thing for you to personally tell them what makes you scum and then...keep doing it. | ||
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Promato
92 Posts
What I do know is that they are both collectively confident, spam-happy town players normally, and I am not feeling that from their filter this game. It's markedly off, and it's something I have noted, but then again, most everyone is playing low-activity for their normal selves. | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
i have a mildly strong town read on hapa and a strong scum read on iamp so there's that -bionic vapor boy | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 15 2013 15:04 DrParnassus wrote: Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? Iamp has definitely stayed out of the spotlight. At least compared to his normal town persona. Town iamp is very...outspoken. Like I said, he's done that a few times (particularly him calling out marv early, etc), but its still in much, much, much less frequent than how he normally plays as town. He's been pretty content to just make an occasional, useless comment. Almost all of the actual content is from Hapa. | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
WHY MUST YOU ANSWER!! /oats | ||
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Promato
92 Posts
On March 15 2013 15:04 DrParnassus wrote: Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? I just reread that filter, and it's Hapa who is being active, not iamp. I really don't feel like they're worth pursuing any longer. Hapa does not look disinterested, despite the low activity. Compared to some, he is kind of spammy actually. | ||
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Promato
92 Posts
On March 15 2013 04:18 ObliviousEyes wrote: I am willing to consolidate upon the lurker WittyHydraName. I think Palmugs more likely to flip scum. Filtering VE/OO, and this quote looks particularly bad. Summary of their filter is: -Criticise Casting Golems/Call them mafia offhandedly -Talk about Dirk like it's going to change anything -Make this horrid post So as for difficulty of targets picked, this hydra gets a zero. I don't even know their reads on anyone else in the game, to be honest. On March 13 2013 17:07 ObliviousEyes wrote: I'm trying to figure out his motivations. Like, I just don't know what he's trying to accomplish with that question. The "really really" was just me being a jerk about it. I'm trying to figure out if there's a difference between Named VTs claiming today and Named VTs just counterclaiming scum if they try and fakeclaim it at lynch time. Is there any? I guess it would depend on the circumstances. What if we just agree to go ahead and lynch Named VTs if they are counterclaimed on the block? It could be a thing where there are more than one Named VT, but it would be the same thing if two Named VTs claimed now wouldn't it? Eehhhhhhhhh actually I like it. If the Named VTs claim now then scum cannot use it as a fakeclaim later unless they do it right now, and if they do they run the risk of being outted as scum to the other PRs if there are any. We know that there is a maximum of 2 blues, so if 2 NVTs claim and there's a cop for instance, then he gets a guaranteed scum check that night...or if there's a doctor then there's a 100% chance that there's a mafia in the 2 NVT claims which is also powerful even if the doctor doesn't claim to out him. Named VTs should claim. Plus I fucking abhor policy shit like this, and when it comes from VE, I hate it even more. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 15 2013 15:18 Promato wrote: I just reread that filter, and it's Hapa who is being active, not iamp. I really don't feel like they're worth pursuing any longer. Hapa does not look disinterested, despite the low activity. Compared to some, he is kind of spammy actually. Well, I dont think that being spammy in itself is a town tell, but I do think Hapa has been decently interested in the game, and giving some useful insights. I was kind of like Throats, leaning town on Hapa, leaning scum on iamp. But the WIFOMy iamp thing is enough that I'm pretty okay with them for now. Now, what does that mean about the big case from Golems about ObsQT? | ||
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